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UDBrian 10-03-2011 07:23 PM

Recruits
 
How about we start another thread on recruits. I will list Mr Anderson first. He grew 6" so he could be the next David Robinson in two years

This article lists Alex Anderson at 5' 11" and 175 pounds
http://www.maxpreps.com/athletes/UeT...x-anderson.htm

bp 10-03-2011 07:33 PM


Gilchrist's Autograph 2 10-03-2011 07:34 PM

Where is Hawkins? I was hoping to hear an announcement. Didnt he visit Wichita state last weekend?
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frisco flyer 10-03-2011 09:26 PM

Coaching staff is evaluating Carson Shanks, a seven foot center from Minnesota. There's an article about him on the Rivals site if you have subscription.

San Diego Flyer 10-03-2011 09:29 PM

Couple thoughts on Alex. I have never seen a 5'5" player who could palm a ball. I believe he is at least 5'10".

He has great moves, but many times he brought the ball down the floor and not once looked for a teammate. Of course he made a shot or they wouldn't have put it in the mix.

And lastly, why no interest in him from Memphis?

Spuds 10-03-2011 09:38 PM

Shorty at St. Joes?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer (Post 237185)
Couple thoughts on Alex. I have never seen a 5'5" player who could palm a ball. I believe he is at least 5'10".

He has great moves, but many times he brought the ball down the floor and not once looked for a teammate. Of course he made a shot or they wouldn't have put it in the mix.

And lastly, why no interest in him from Memphis?

Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.

shapanud 10-03-2011 09:48 PM

A recent post on heardthisblog.com (no idea who runs the site but he seems pretty tight with all things A10) had this to say:

@PitchersDuel: “What names are you hearing in connection with Dayton?”

They obviously have plenty of targets and I can’t cover them all, but I’ll try to share a few. They missed out on Andre Yates the other day, but picked up a huge piece getting point guard Jevon Thomas. Now their radar screen likely includes Devon Scott (’12), Maverick Morgan (’13), Ray Lee (’12), and Kedar Edwards (’12). Morgan would be a stretch, but Scott and Edwards are real possibilities, in my opinion.

http://heardthisblog.com/?p=871

UDEE79 10-03-2011 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 237186)
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.

He was a Bonnie but I can't remember his name.

shapanud 10-03-2011 10:04 PM

According to the L'ville Journal-Courrier's Jody Demling, UD has a chance at getting another commit soon. From his twitter:

"Kentucky's top senior Tamron Manning expected to make decision within 24 hours. Final list: Marshall, IUPUI, Duquesne and Dayton."

longtimefan 10-03-2011 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 237186)
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.

GW - Shawnta Rogers

bp 10-03-2011 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UDEE79 (Post 237189)
He was a Bonnie but I can't remember his name.

Marques Green?
http://www.gobonnies.com/sports/m-ba...marques00.html

bcross 10-03-2011 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shapanud (Post 237190)
According to the L'ville Journal-Courrier's Jody Demling, UD has a chance at getting another commit soon. From his twitter:

"Kentucky's top senior Tamron Manning expected to make decision within 24 hours. Final list: Marshall, IUPUI, Duquesne and Dayton."

We never offered Manning, so it isn't going to be us.

FlyerFanatic08 10-03-2011 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bcross (Post 237195)
We never offered Manning, so it isn't going to be us.

at this point i wouldnt be ruling anyone out..im not sure why we would be listed in a "final four" if we never offered. wouldnt it just be a "final three"?

Swampy Meadows 10-04-2011 12:06 AM

If the Flyers are in Manning's final four then UD must have offered. How can he consider a school that hasn't extended a scholarship?

If Dayton has offered, he will become a Flyer. He's been waiting for one since before BG left.

lhsgolf19 10-04-2011 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows (Post 237199)
If the Flyers are in Manning's final four then UD must have offered. How can he consider a school that hasn't extended a scholarship?

If Dayton has offered, he will become a Flyer. He's been waiting for one since before BG left.

I hope he got that offer.... He would be one heck of a consolation prize in terms of not getting Yates, Hanlan or Harris... Tamron might be better than all of them.

Fair34 10-04-2011 12:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spuds (Post 237186)
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.

St. Joes had Jameer Nelson, GW had Shawnta Rogers.

ud2 10-04-2011 07:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 (Post 237201)
I hope he got that offer.... He would be one heck of a consolation prize in terms of not getting Yates, Hanlan or Harris... Tamron might be better than all of them.

I also think Manning got an offer from UD, otherwise Dayton would not have been included in Demling's tweet. I would be surprised if Manning doesn't pick UD over the other three.

http://twitter.com/#!/jdemling/statu...41846561542146

http://twitter.com/#!/jdemling

"Kentucky's top senior Tamron Manning expected to make decision within 24 hours. Final list: Marshall, IUPUI, Duquesne and Dayton.
9 hours ago via TweetDeck
replies ↓

RDriesenUD Ron Driesen
@
@jdemling I know Tamron has always liked Dayton, but never had an offer. Does he have an offer now?
8 hours ago"


Manning's last tweet last night:

http://twitter.com/#!/Tman2332/statu...53415378923520

http://twitter.com/#!/tman2332

"@Tman2332
Tamron manning
Bed time..stay tuned on here tomorrow!! Goodnight twitfam!"

Atlantic 10 10-04-2011 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ud2 (Post 237204)
I also think Manning got an offer from UD, otherwise Dayton would not have been included in Demling's tweet. I would be surprised if Manning doesn't pick UD over the other three.

http://twitter.com/#!/jdemling/statu...41846561542146

http://twitter.com/#!/jdemling

"Kentucky's top senior Tamron Manning expected to make decision within 24 hours. Final list: Marshall, IUPUI, Duquesne and Dayton.
9 hours ago via TweetDeck
replies ↓

RDriesenUD Ron Driesen
@
@jdemling I know Tamron has always liked Dayton, but never had an offer. Does he have an offer now?
8 hours ago"


Manning's last tweet last night:

http://twitter.com/#!/Tman2332/statu...53415378923520

http://twitter.com/#!/tman2332

"@Tman2332
Tamron manning
Bed time..stay tuned on here tomorrow!! Goodnight twitfam!"

Probably Marshall

bcross 10-04-2011 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows (Post 237199)
If the Flyers are in Manning's final four then UD must have offered. How can he consider a school that hasn't extended a scholarship?

If Dayton has offered, he will become a Flyer. He's been waiting for one since before BG left.

Kids list schools in their final "X" all the time without having an offer from them.

Swampy Meadows 10-04-2011 10:01 AM

bcross:

Not when they plan to make a decision within the next 24 hours, they don't. Delusion time is over, deciding time is here. His final four should only consist of bona fide scholarship offers.

bcross 10-04-2011 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows (Post 237217)
bcross:

Not when they plan to make a decision within the next 24 hours, they don't. Delusion time is over, deciding time is here. His final four should only consist of bona fide scholarship offers.

Who the recruit says he is considering, and who he actually is considering are two different things. This stuff happens all the time. Do you really think he still deciding between four schools within 24 hours of making the announcment? Not a chance, he's made his decision. These kids like other "hats" on the table.

FlyingArrow 10-04-2011 11:56 AM

Was Manning specifically interested in a non-BCS school, or was there no interest from the bigger name schools? I'm just surprised to not see any BCS conference schools on the list if he's Kentucky's top senior.

Flyer 86 10-04-2011 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 (Post 237201)
I hope he got that offer.... He would be one heck of a consolation prize in terms of not getting Yates, Hanlan or Harris... Tamron might be better than all of them.

thought i read 7-10 days ago we were not on Tamron's list anymore.
maybe its changed

FlyingArrow 10-04-2011 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Flyer 86 (Post 237225)
thought i read 7-10 days ago we were not on Tamron's list anymore.
maybe its changed

Then either... he added us to that list just so that there's another 'hat' on the table for a press conference. (And one that was prominently on his list earlier.) Or... after Eron Harris went to WV, we offered and he jumped at it.

lhsgolf19 10-04-2011 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlyingArrow (Post 237228)
Then either... he added us to that list just so that there's another 'hat' on the table for a press conference. (And one that was prominently on his list earlier.) Or... after Eron Harris went to WV, we offered and he jumped at it.

Let's hope this is the case

NorthwestFlyer 10-04-2011 01:22 PM

We will find out at 6:00.

DallasFlyer 10-04-2011 01:23 PM

The Decision: Will Tamron be taking his talents to the Gem City? Someone call Jim Gray ASAP. Either tune in at 6 p.m. to Tamron's Twitter Channel http://twitter.com/tman2332 or find out here at 6:01 p.m.

FlyerFanatic08 10-04-2011 02:08 PM

manning says dayton was still after him even when the new coaching staff came in

http://heardthisblog.com/?p=883

momszer 10-04-2011 02:53 PM

Travel Itinerary
 
Any flights to Kentucky today from the coaching staff? Or is it Budget Rent-A-Car? Inquiring minds need to know. The suspense is killing me!!!

DallasFlyer 10-04-2011 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by momszer (Post 237239)
Any flights to Kentucky today from the coaching staff? Or is it Budget Rent-A-Car? Inquiring minds need to know. The suspense is killing me!!!

Tamron is from Georgetown so I guess you could fly from Dayton to Lexington, but I would think you'd drive. If the suspense is killing you, don't check Tamron's twitter page whatever you do. He seems intent on building up his decision, retweeting stuff from both dayton and marshall fans.

Sea Bass 10-04-2011 03:16 PM

I haven't seen any evidence that makes me believe he has an offer.

momszer 10-04-2011 03:23 PM

Look Harder Sea Bass
 

DallasFlyer 10-04-2011 03:37 PM

The offer that I really question is Duquesne. They have gotten a couple of committments over the last couple of days, and I don't think they have more scholarships to give. I think it comes down to Marshall or Dayton.

longtimefan 10-04-2011 04:04 PM

Maybe he thought if he listed Dayton in his final four he could garner an offer from West Virginia.

DallasFlyer 10-04-2011 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longtimefan (Post 237246)
Maybe he thought if he listed Dayton in his final four he could garner an offer from West Virginia.

A tried and true approach.

Atlantic 10 10-04-2011 05:35 PM

He would be the 1st to committ to UD without a offer on the table

Dogdaddy 10-04-2011 05:44 PM

Recruiting is such a mystery. Tamron Manning is rated 89 by ESPN and is a 3 star. Eron Harris was 85 and a 2 star. This board seemed higher on Harris and he is heading to the Big East. We don't know if Manning even has an offer from UD and even though he is a lead candidate for Mr. Kentucky his choices are UD, MU, DU, and IUPUI. That math isn't working here for me, but for some strange reason I can't wait until 6:00 and I'll be bummed if we don't get him. Strange process these days.

shapanud 10-04-2011 06:04 PM


Dogdaddy 10-04-2011 06:07 PM

We didn't want him anyway, I'll bet we didn't even offer. :-)

Fair34 10-04-2011 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shapanud (Post 237252)

Staten, Harris, Manning= state of West Virginia

DallasFlyer 10-04-2011 06:29 PM

Probably just as well. Would have been impossible to root for a guy who calls himself Tman.

steve 10-05-2011 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dogdaddy (Post 237250)
Recruiting is such a mystery. Tamron Manning is rated 89 by ESPN and is a 3 star. Eron Harris was 85 and a 2 star. This board seemed higher on Harris and he is heading to the Big East. We don't know if Manning even has an offer from UD and even though he is a lead candidate for Mr. Kentucky his choices are UD, MU, DU, and IUPUI. That math isn't working here for me, but for some strange reason I can't wait until 6:00 and I'll be bummed if we don't get him. Strange process these days.

That's because stars and ranking don't mean squat. These are given by people who watch only certain players and many times these higher "rankings" or whatever they're called are given to players based how many times a guy saw a player versus not seeing a player. They're also given to kids who play for coaches, many times, that the guys doing the rankings like and have previous relationships with.
They're also given to kids based on "potential". Potential means ZILCH once a kid goes away to school, is on his own, and now has to compete at a position with a couple other kids. Other than the few obvious kids, and that's no guarantee, it's absolutely impossible to tell how good a 16-17 year old kid will be by the time he hits 19-20.

San Diego Flyer 10-05-2011 11:13 AM

Well, rankings do mean some "squat".
 
But I concur with your overall point. They are not a means to all ends. For example, in the vast majority of cases, a 4 star player is going to have existing skills that exceed a 2 star. To what degree depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which is whether your team has the shorfalls of the 2 already covered on your roster. Then every year there are one or two prospects that prove that theory wrong.

It just like Consumer Report or JD Powell quality ratings, a 5 rating vs a 6 (out of 10) is too ambiguous to consider, but a 3 vs 9 in a crash test better get one's attention.

The statement about a recruit, "All he can do is shoot 3's", or "He is a shoot first point guard", might be just what your team needs. One man's junk is another man's treasure.

And all the perception and understanding of the above is what separates good coaches and marginal coaches.

2 cents

UDBrian 10-05-2011 11:20 AM

I agree. A lot of it now depends upon visibility in club ball. If someone hasn't competed in club ball they haven't had many chances against great players. They could also be a little bit behind in their development. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on someone who is rough around the edges but has the determination to make himself a great player.

For years we were killed by players from smaller schools. There are a LOT of players out there who can help us that might not be highly recruited. It might not be their first season though...

UDBrian 10-05-2011 01:42 PM

Are we actively recruiting any shooting guards for 2012?

shapanud 10-05-2011 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UDBrian (Post 237321)
Are we actively recruiting any shooting guards for 2012?

I'm sure there are others, but Kedar Edwards (originally from Brooklyn, now in Florida) is one name that has been linked to UD:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketb...Edwards-129880

Class of 73 Alum 10-06-2011 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve (Post 237295)
That's because stars and ranking don't mean squat. These are given by people who watch only certain players and many times these higher "rankings" or whatever they're called are given to players based how many times a guy saw a player versus not seeing a player. They're also given to kids who play for coaches, many times, that the guys doing the rankings like and have previous relationships with.
They're also given to kids based on "potential". Potential means ZILCH once a kid goes away to school, is on his own, and now has to compete at a position with a couple other kids. Other than the few obvious kids, and that's no guarantee, it's absolutely impossible to tell how good a 16-17 year old kid will be by the time he hits 19-20.

TJ McConnell, the A10 rookie of the year from Duquesne, was a 2 star. In his final high school game, I watched that kid throw in 34 points against a team from Philadelphia that was ranked in the top five in the country in the Pa AAA Championship game. I remember thinking if this kid is a 2 star I'd sure like to see a 5 star.

NCkevi 10-06-2011 09:03 PM

Adam Wing (6'3, 195 lb), a SG from Kentucky (reputation as a 3 pt. shooter going 11 for 12 in the last 2 games of teh state tournament this past spring), may be looking to reopen his commitment - Oklahoma State took 2 commitments in a package deal giving them 4 verbals for 3 spots for 2012. Travis Ford visited Wing last week and said the offer was still good for now but if there are no changes in their line-up after this season (transfers, early NBA, etc), he'll be asked to go the prep school route; so Wing may reopen his recruitment in football and basketball (he initially committed to play QB for Marshall before OSU offered). Have no idea if he's the type of player AM would be interested in, or if he would be interested in UD, but another example of a player that unexpectedly could become an option

FlyingArrow 10-06-2011 10:47 PM

That kind of stinks for Adam Wing - postponing college. If he's a decent student, he could probably earn some college credit at a prep school and then have a smaller class load while in college. If he's not an NBA prospect, playing as a 5th year senior isn't necessarily a bad thing.

steve 10-07-2011 08:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer (Post 237304)
But I concur with your overall point. They are not a means to all ends. For example, in the vast majority of cases, a 4 star player is going to have existing skills that exceed a 2 star. To what degree depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which is whether your team has the shorfalls of the 2 already covered on your roster. Then every year there are one or two prospects that prove that theory wrong.

It just like Consumer Report or JD Powell quality ratings, a 5 rating vs a 6 (out of 10) is too ambiguous to consider, but a 3 vs 9 in a crash test better get one's attention.

The statement about a recruit, "All he can do is shoot 3's", or "He is a shoot first point guard", might be just what your team needs. One man's junk is another man's treasure.

And all the perception and understanding of the above is what separates good coaches and marginal coaches.

2 cents

But the differences, SDF, are that the extremes you're using in variance are widespread in a 3 versus a 9. We all know that variance is much smaller, as in a 1-5, in evaluating in recruiting. Also , who the heck are some of these guys that get to put a star rating by a kid? I know 2 guys who evaluate for scout.com in football who are so unknowledgeable in evaluating that they can't even explain what it means when a DE "crashes down" on backside. These guys strictly go by athletic prowess and projection. The LB/DE at Centerville right now is listed as a top 50 player in the country and a top 5 LB ,yet, the kid hasn't made a play all year long but he runs a nasty 100/220, is 6'4" and 215 lbs who can also long jump 20 plus feet. We also know that projections and forecasting are all abstract when determining success or outcome in the future. thus, the "it's impossible" to determine how good a kid is going to 3-4 years down the road when all of the other intangibles and tangibles come into play like competition, studies, being away from home, work ethic, learning plays, being a "team" guy and not the big superstar, meeting varied and new friends with different interests that might sway a kid's attention, and, most of all, the possible realization that he ain't going to be a NBA/NFL player. How many kids in HS are the absolute best players on their teams, the studs, that are just too small, not as fast, and not as strong as "projections" determine them down the road. Yet, the kid that ain't near the player but 7 inches taller, 25 lbs heavier, and able to jump much higher "project" much higher, thus, are more worthy of being "invested" into by a school.

You're also using "proof" as in ratings that have a long history of saying this/that about a car, etc...If 3000 GM buicks are test-driven for a certain feature and 300 of those don't pass then officially a report can be concurred that that type of car does not perform well at that task or a certain percentage does not. But that evaluation is absolutely impossible when taking a 15-17 year old kid and crystal-balling the guy into what type of player he will be as a 19-20 year old. Can't do it. Now, you can take your chances and say he will but the proof is not there.It's also the biggest reason why HS OL in football are the biggest group of uncertainties when projecting.

San Diego Flyer 10-07-2011 08:51 AM

Some good points Steve.
 
Again, I agree that those who would discriminate with absolutes among recruits who are ranked closely in ANY scale are foolhardy. And I agree that any clown who puts out rankings should not be grouped in the same level of expertise as those who work at it constantly. The big mistake is made by fans who wring their hands over recruits that are a click or two apart.

On the other hand to dismiss the whole rating and ranking process as worthless is also just as foolhardy. You take the 1's and I'll take the 4's and kick your *ss any day of the week. Just have to be wary and smart in using the process as a coach.

steve 10-07-2011 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer (Post 237450)
Again, I agree that those who would discriminate with absolutes among recruits who are ranked closely in ANY scale are foolhardy. And I agree that any clown who puts out rankings should not be grouped in the same level of expertise as those who work at it constantly. The big mistake is made by fans who wring their hands over recruits that are a click or two apart.

On the other hand to dismiss the whole rating and ranking process as worthless is also just as foolhardy. You take the 1's and I'll take the 4's and kick your *ss any day of the week. Just have to be wary and smart in using the process as a coach.

.....Not if your "4"'s leave after 1-2 years and my 1's AND 2's (you better give me those) stay 4 years...lol......See Northern Iowa, Butler, etc....Again, that's probably the biggest reason for parity in the game along with kids wanting to not get lost in the shuffle and be immediate starters at smaller/ mid size schools....

DallasFlyer 10-09-2011 11:22 PM

It seems Jevon Thomas isn't the only point guard from NYC that UD has been recruiting. Some kid named Melvin Johnson committed to play for Larranaga at Miami choosing the Canes over Georgetown and Dayton.


http://fivestarbasketball.com/articl...09-2011-7105bd

Whacker 10-10-2011 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve (Post 237453)
.....Not if your "4"'s leave after 1-2 years and my 1's AND 2's (you better give me those) stay 4 years...lol......See Northern Iowa, Butler, etc....Again, that's probably the biggest reason for parity in the game along with kids wanting to not get lost in the shuffle and be immediate starters at smaller/ mid size schools....


Butler is probable not the best example, but I see your point. Hayward was a "4" and did not stay. Mack also left early.

vclark34 10-10-2011 10:55 AM

Here's my take on the rating systems. For the elite players they are usually spot on. But as you get out of the top 100 they start to get more and more unreliable. The evaluation is almost entirely based on potential and seems to evaluate more to NBA criteria. Therefore the undersized power forward who can't jump much but is an excellent passer and has a high basketball IQ, isn't going to rate as high as the 6'10" 240 power forward who gets his head above the rim but never learned fundamentals. This is because the first option is close to his maximum potential while the later hasn't even scratched the surface. The evaluators simply expect that the athletic players will learn the other parts of the game. The process will often overlook that the first player could be great in college, regardless of if he makes the NBA or not.
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Gilchrist's Autograph 2 10-16-2011 08:00 PM

Deontae Hawkins visited creighton this weekend according to rivals. Is he going to end up playing with Yates after all? That would be a tough loss for us. He would be a nice piece to the puzzle.
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UDDoug 10-16-2011 09:28 PM

What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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UDan71 10-16-2011 11:51 PM

We're done?!?!?!?
 
Oh my.

You mean to tell me our recruiting for 2012 is concluded? You gotta be kidding me! You're saying that we're out of the running for the guard from Brooklyn (Kedar Edwards) and for Devon Scott?

Man, that is depressing, if true. I thought we were off to a strong start and the Robinson kid from Northland would help us bring in Hawkins, Scott, and Yates. Boy, were such rumors off base. Or was there a good chance of that until the Brooklyn point guard, Thomas, committed and Yates took a U-turn on UD.

Oh, my.

Paris 10-17-2011 03:10 AM

Archie has landed five recruits in six months on the job. And every one of those five had been extended and accepted a scholarship offer to a BCS school before landing at Dayton. He's doing fine.

axehandle 10-17-2011 05:53 AM

Perhaps just mincing words, but hasn't Scott said he would be a spring signee?

UDDoug 10-17-2011 07:00 AM

Yes. Scott is likely spring. Most schools want a better feel for if he will qualify. And dan get a grip. Starting from where they did with 2012 the staff did fairly well. Class of 2013 lines up better from timing but for schools in UD status it will be 2014 before you get a full sense of how well this staff recruits.
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bcross 10-17-2011 08:20 AM

It's mid-October, the staff isn't going to give up on the November signing period already.

San Diego Flyer 10-17-2011 08:26 AM

Recruiting is a numbers game. X number of targets, Y number of official visits, Z number of commits. When you have as many on your target list as Arch, you are going to lose some.


Everyone remembers Babe Ruth hitting 60 home runs, but few recall that he struck out a gazillion times while getting to 60.

UDDoug 10-17-2011 11:02 AM

Initial signing day in Nov 9. Three weeks from Wednesday. And unlike spring, most kids signing in November do so on the first two days.

Giving up may not be the right word, but all signs around the edges is they are largely shifting efforts. Practice has started, fewer visits, less chatter, open talk of holding one or two scholarships - lower odds. Not impossible, but becoming improbable.

FlyingArrow 10-17-2011 11:05 AM

"If I'd just tried for them dinky singles I could've batted around .600."
-Babe Ruth

Glad Arch is trying for the home runs.

Big D 10-17-2011 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UDDoug (Post 238152)
What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.

ud2 10-17-2011 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UDDoug (Post 238152)
What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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Giving up on the class of 2012 with 3 open scholarships seems unlikely. They'd only have 10 eligible scholarship players for the 2012-2013 season in that case, and Archie is complaining this year about only having 10 eligible scholarship players. It seems unlikely that Archie would want to repeat this year's scenario.

DallasFlyer 10-17-2011 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big D (Post 238176)
That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.

Lots of talk about this kid on the Iowa State boards. But I don't understand the talk that he could join a team this year.

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...igibility.html

http://www.cyclonefanatic.com/forum/...h-2012-pg.html

NorthwestFlyer 10-17-2011 01:40 PM

Pretty much we are back to a 10 scholarship roster for 2012 at this moment. It is hard to believe we won't be able to attract a good SG or combo for 2012. The 2012 roster is only one deep at that position. Still, I would rather see Archie stick to his guns and wait for the right recruit for the team he is building.

longtimefan 10-17-2011 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UDan71 (Post 238154)
I thought we were off to a strong start and the Robinson kid from Northland would help us bring in Hawkins, Scott, and Yates. Boy, were such rumors off base. Or was there a good chance of that until the Brooklyn point guard, Thomas, committed and Yates took a U-turn on UD.

I'm wondering the same thing. If we hadn't landed Thomas, would we have gotten Yates? And if we had gotten Yates, would we have landed Hawkins? If Hawkins goes to Creighton it would seem one major reason is that Yates is going there. After all, if he goes to Creighton it's not like he is passing on UD for a BCS conference school.

Bat'71 10-17-2011 05:15 PM

I know AM recently stated that he was planning on holding one scholly for a possible transfer, but I never heard (or thought) that he'd be holding two at the end of this signing period. He and his staff really hit the ground running and got some apparently good kids in a short amount of time. However, I'd be a little disappointed if we're "done" for the Fall at this point, although, he'll still have another shot in the Spring. Having said that, I agree with NorthwestFlyer that he should still wait for the "right" recruit for the team he's trying to build.

axehandle 10-17-2011 05:54 PM

I think with two top recruits having verballed, I think we should be able to get another player or two between the fall and spring signing period. If we have a schollie left, that wouldn't be all bad as I think we only have three available for 2013. If at all possible a center would be most crirical, as we lose both of our present centers next year.

Sid Louick 10-17-2011 06:21 PM

Where does Naz Long hail from?

lhsgolf19 10-17-2011 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Sid Louick (Post 238207)
Where does Naz Long hail from?

Canada, he played at Findlay Prep last year, but he is back home this year (I believe)

Gilchrist's Autograph 2 10-18-2011 09:55 PM

Found naz long on rivals site. Says he has offers from Iowa and Iowa state with a visit to each over the past two weeks. No mention of other schools, but I like to see a 6'4 pg. If he does have a visit next week I hope it is a good one. Sounds like a nice player.
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SHQCKEY 10-19-2011 01:16 AM


Flyer 86 10-19-2011 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Big D (Post 238176)
That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.

question, is there an official way to see who's visiting and when?

thru grapevine around AD department? campus? Scout or hoops pages?

thanks

Flyer 86 10-19-2011 08:04 AM

i saw some nice hesitation moves , and he seemed good with the dribble.

on down side, NONE of the shots were challenged and there was not a lot of contact on the floor. Hard to tell anything from this vid.

UDDoug 10-19-2011 12:44 PM

If you are largely finished with November you still have spring and jucos. And mid year transfers. It doesn't mean you have 10 again. You might get another commit in fall but I don't think they are real high on that given how top targets have played out.
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UDBrian 10-19-2011 03:58 PM

It is always possible we are waiting for someone to get grades. Archie mentioned that some players would be diamonds in the rough so I won't be shocked if we take someone with a ton of raw potential but very little skill. But, it would also need to be a guy committed to getting better.

bcross 10-19-2011 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by UDDoug (Post 238312)
If you are largely finished with November you still have spring and jucos. And mid year transfers. It doesn't mean you have 10 again. You might get another commit in fall but I don't think they are real high on that given how top targets have played out.
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Are these your top targets, or the coaching staff's top targets? Considering that our three most recent commitments were not even mentioned as potential targets on this board before they committed, I have a hard time believing anyone on this board knows exactly what is going through the coaches heads.

Atlantic 10 10-19-2011 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bcross (Post 238342)
Are these are your top targets, or the coaching staff's top targets? Considering the our three most recent commitments were not even mentioned as potential targets on this board before they committed, I have a hard time believing anyone on this board knows exactly what is going through the coaches heads.

I agree 100%

UDDoug 10-19-2011 11:46 PM

I guess the guys who are the first home visits and officiL visits aren't top targets. It certainly wasn't any secret to people covering ud that Hawkins and Harris were at or near the top of the list.

And yes nobody here knows for sure.

And everything doesn't have to bright red and blue. At time those with dissenting views have a point.
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UD Sam 10-22-2011 03:22 AM

Deontae Hawkins, Devon Scott & Kedar Edwards Updates
 
"The University of Dayton men’s basketball coaches have told Deontae Hawkins that he is their top recruiting priority in the senior class, but they’ll have to fight a former UD coach to land the Dunbar High School star."

There are also updates on Scott and Edwards.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...l-1272838.html

Bat'71 10-22-2011 08:27 AM

I understand the urge of a high school senior to want to spread his/her wings and go away to college...heck I encouraged my two kids to go away to school in order to fully appreciate the college experience. However, while I've always enjoyed Chicago (it's a heckuva Town), it gets mighty cold there during the winter (bone chilling, actually) and the DePaul campus (if you can call it that) leaves a lot to be desired...plus their arena is a dump; so stay home Deontae, play in front of family and friends and become a Flyer. :)

UD Sam 10-22-2011 09:49 AM

A few reasons why Hawkins may not want to commit to DePaul:

1) Last year they had a 7-24 record (1-17 in the Big East). In OOC games, they lost to some big name teams:
- Western Carolina
- Oklahoma State
- CSU Northridge
- Stanford
- Indiana State (by 22 points)
- Ball State

2) Their arena in Rosemont, Ill is a is a multi-purpose arena that is rented from the city. It is a 1 hour drive from campus and seats 17,500. Parking costs $11-$20.

3) There is little student interest in attending games. Their 2011 average attendance was 7,676 (rated 67th per ESPN). Dayton's 2011 attendance was 12, 576 (rated 27th).

4) I hear it is pretty quiet in that arena during DePaul games.

shapanud 10-22-2011 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Gilchrist's Autograph 2 (Post 238289)
Found naz long on rivals site. Says he has offers from Iowa and Iowa state with a visit to each over the past two weeks. No mention of other schools, but I like to see a 6'4 pg. If he does have a visit next week I hope it is a good one. Sounds like a nice player.
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According to Dave Telep's twitter, Naz Long to Iowa State

ud2 10-22-2011 09:46 PM

Oh well. On one hand, I noticed that ESPN only gave him a grade of 83. But, on the other hand, he was a 3 star player on Rivals, and he had other offers from Creighton, Iowa State, Miami(Florida), Missouri, Rice, and Western Kentucky, so he had to have been a pretty good player.

http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...08423/naz-long

http://rivals.yahoo.com/dayton/baske...th-Long-132535

bobber 10-22-2011 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by UD Sam (Post 238515)
A few reasons why Hawkins may not want to commit to DePaul:

1) Last year they had a 7-24 record (1-17 in the Big East). In OOC games, they lost to some big name teams:
- Western Carolina
- Oklahoma State
- CSU Northridge
- Stanford
- Indiana State (by 22 points)
- Ball State

2) Their arena in Rosemont, Ill is a is a multi-purpose arena that is rented from the city. It is a 1 hour drive from campus and seats 17,500. Parking costs $11-$20.

3) There is little student interest in attending games. Their 2011 average attendance was 7,676 (rated 67th per ESPN). Dayton's 2011 attendance was 12, 576 (rated 27th).

4) I hear it is pretty quiet in that arena during DePaul games.

The All State Arena is the worst basketball facility I have ever been in, but I admit my experience is limited. As I mentioned before, the seats slope up from the floor at a very slight angle, so you can be pretty far away from court side and not have the advantage of looking down somewhat on the action. The building was also built on the cheap according to an article in the Chicago Tribune when it was under construction, and it showed it, at least the last time I was there. The roof, incidentally, was made completely of wood (not steel) to save money. And the rest rooms and vending areas were substandard.

On television they keep the lights out in the upper areas of the building (ala Millet Hall at Miami of Ohio) because they don't want you to see the building is way less than half filled. It is a drafty old barn much better suited to tractor pulls and monster truck rallys than basketball.

Flyer Al 10-22-2011 11:46 PM

Not sure who this DDN writer but it is chock full of recruiting goodness.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...l-1273173.html

Flyer 86 10-23-2011 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by shapanud (Post 238565)
According to Dave Telep's twitter, Naz Long to Iowa State

thanks Shap.

sounds like Hawkins really wants to go away. I'd be happy with Scott and Edwards, those are two guys i think we have a better than average chance with

FlyingArrow 10-23-2011 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Flyer Al (Post 238580)
Not sure who this DDN writer but it is chock full of recruiting goodness.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...l-1273173.html

“I think they’re going to be a Butler-type of program, a mid-major none of the high-majors want to play”

That is wrong. We're already a team the high-majors don't want to play - good enough to possibly beat them but it's still a bad loss (in their eyes). Butler is a notch above us at tihs point - good enough that a loss is a "good" loss.

Flyer Al 10-23-2011 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow (Post 238586)
“I think they’re going to be a Butler-type of program, a mid-major none of the high-majors want to play”

That is wrong. We're already a team the high-majors don't want to play - good enough to possibly beat them but it's still a bad loss (in their eyes). Butler is a notch above us at tihs point - good enough that a loss is a "good" loss.

I thought the same thing when I read it.

Bat'71 10-23-2011 08:43 AM

I may be just a wee bit optimistic in my assessment, but IMO we've gotten to the point where we aren't even a "bad" loss anymore. I think that what's been accomplished over the past ten years or so to upgrade our program, along with our participation and competitiveness in some high profile tournaments, has really improved our image; we've also been more consistent in our play. We've also gotten a lot of favorable press, our national profile's been elevated and we provide a first class, high-energy venue for teams to compete. While the A-10 isn't a BCS conference, it is considered to be a "High Major" by the college basketball magazines, such as the "Sporting News", not a "Mid-Major" like the Horizon conference. If Archie can continue to elevate our program, we should be able to put the nightmare years from the late '80s through the '90s to rest and scheduling should get easier.

THirt 10-23-2011 03:22 PM

I'm not on the Twitter, but this guy committed to Creighton today which could help our chances at landing Hawkins.

UD Sam 10-23-2011 05:21 PM

Thanks, Thirt. On Twitter, I'm not sure if there is a way to find the name of a "twitterer" - if so, I'm probably one of the few who doesn't know how. After Googling, I discovered that the recruit who verballed to Creighton today is Tevin Calhoun. Some info on him:
- 6"7' Forward, not ranked on Rivals
- Attends Hill Jr. College in Texas
- In 2009 he verballed to Central Connecticut U before he received his SAT test score. So it sounds like he attended junior college because his SAT score didn't make the grade.

He doesn't sound like the typical Creighton recruit.

UDDoug 10-23-2011 06:17 PM

Reading the tea leaves Hawkins wants to play out of town but close. UD best hope is he doesn't like his visit to DePaul, and do othe BCS conference member gets involved. The BCS alure and out of town pull is why I hear chances aren't high.

Did find it interesting that Thomas transferred to improve chances of qualifying. Hopefully he is close and the the split with SJU was not because they thought it was unlikely. Edwards and Scott are nonqualifiers at this point too. Which is why none of three have visited. Maybe UD is going to be a little more accepting of partial and nonqualifiers. That would be a good thing in my mind. But probably a reason November signing period is not at the forefront. Not sure Scott or Edwatds would sign with no official visits or if they even can without a qualifying ACT. Don't think they will have their scores by the signing period in November.
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UD Sam 10-24-2011 07:35 AM

UD Coach's Youth an Advantage in Recruiting
 
The DDN article in the link below comments on Archie's recruiting and was written by a "DDN contributing writer". It is basically a recap of UD recruiting with several quotes from Benji Burke, the "All-Ohio Red" coach.

Nothing new or earth shattering here, but UD fans who enjoy reading anything related to UD basketball (like me) may be interested in reading it.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayton-sports/university-of-dayton-flyers/ud-coachs-youth-an-advantage-on-high-tech-recruiting-trail-1273173.html

FlyerFanatic08 10-24-2011 01:28 PM

nevermind

UD Sam 11-06-2011 04:14 AM

Update on Devon Scott 6' 9" forward from Columbus Northland
 
After making an unofficial visit, Devon Scott feels like Dayton has moved to the top of his list. He is considered one of the program's top targets.

See his comments in the DDN article link below.

http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...e-1280328.html






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