My UD All Decade 13-Man Roster

Fudd · #1 12-25-2009, 05:27 PM

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm just having fun here. If I look back from the 1999-2000 season to the present, and I could choose a 13-man roster from that talent pool, this is who I would choose.

Starters:

PG: Brian Roberts
SG: Brooks Hall
SF: Chris Wright
PF: Keith Waleskowski
C: Mark Ashman

Bench:

London Warren
Ramod Marshall
Tony Stanley
Marcus Johnson
Chris Johnson
Yuanta Holland
Charles Little
Sean Finn

Comments:

Brooks Hall - I always seem to rate Brooks higher than other fans. I love that he does absolutely everything well. Just look at his stats. He is a great rebounder for his position.

Brian Roberts - Yes, he is out of position again as my starting pg. Actually, I think he would do very well there if he isn't the sole focus of a defense. No way could you throw the kitchen sink at him with the rest of the offensive threats on this team.

Chris Wright - I debated putting Chris Johnson in as SF starter. CJ has a more rounded game, including being a consistant 3pt threat. But something about CW makes us win. He sometimes demoralizes the other team with an offensive spurt that normally includes posterizing dunks. Something that he brings is priceless. It's hard to put a finger on it.

Keith Waleskowski - Impossible to keep out of the starting PF spot, IMO.

Mark Ashman - Offers just a bit more than Finn at Center, IMO. I thought it was a tough call.

London Warren - Despite his shooting issues, I can't pass on him. He single-handedly strengthens the team defense, and he can dish the ball without a lot of turnovers. He is a scrapper and a winner, IMO.

Yuanta Holland - I had a hard time choosing between Holland and Monty Scott. I thought we needed more inside depth, so I chose Holland.

I was close to putting Norman Plummer on this team, but I was always frustrated with how he played against good big men.

cjswartz · #2 12-25-2009, 05:40 PM

Well, Stanley is my favorite Dayton player ever so I'd have to start him.

My starting lineup would be pretty similar to yours, but it'd be like this:

PG - Brian Roberts
SG - Tony Stanley
SF - Chris Wright
PF - Keith Waleskowski
C - Mark Ashman

Bench:

Ramod Marshall
Brooks Hall
Sean Finn
Chris Johnson
Monty Scott
Marcus Johnson
Yuanta Holland
Charles Little

emswartz92 · #3 12-25-2009, 05:41 PM

PG: Ramod Marshall
SG: Tony Stanley
SF: Chris Wright
PF: Keith Waleskowski
C: Mark Ashman

Bench:

Brian Roberts
Monty Scott
Marcus Johnson
Sean Finn
Brooks Hall
Charles Little
Norman Plummer
Nate Green

jw4daytonflyers#1 · #4 12-25-2009, 06:02 PM

PG-Brian Roberts
SG-Brooks Hall
SF-Chris Wright
PF-Keith Waleskowski
C-Mark Ashman

Bench (in no order)-
Ramod Marshall
Monty Scott
Charles Little
Tony Stanley
Marcus Johnson
Frank Iguadola
Sean Finn

FlyerYouBetcha · #5 12-25-2009, 06:08 PM

What, no Desmond?

m21eagle45 · #6 12-25-2009, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by Fudd

I know this has been discussed before, but I'm just having fun here. If I look back from the 1999-2000 season to the present, and I could choose a 13-man roster from that talent pool, this is who I would choose.

Starters:

PG: Brian Roberts
SG: Brooks Hall
SF: Chris Wright
PF: Keith Waleskowski
C: Mark Ashman

Bench:

London Warren
Ramod Marshall
Tony Stanley
Marcus Johnson
Chris Johnson
Yuanta Holland
Charles Little
Sean Finn

Comments:

Brooks Hall - I always seem to rate Brooks higher than other fans. I love that he does absolutely everything well. Just look at his stats. He is a great rebounder for his position.

Brian Roberts - Yes, he is out of position again as my starting pg. Actually, I think he would do very well there if he isn't the sole focus of a defense. No way could you throw the kitchen sink at him with the rest of the offensive threats on this team.

Chris Wright - I debated putting Chris Johnson in as SF starter. CJ has a more rounded game, including being a consistant 3pt threat. But something about CW makes us win. He sometimes demoralizes the other team with an offensive spurt that normally includes posterizing dunks. Something that he brings is priceless. It's hard to put a finger on it.

Keith Waleskowski - Impossible to keep out of the starting PF spot, IMO.

Mark Ashman - Offers just a bit more than Finn at Center, IMO. I thought it was a tough call.

London Warren - Despite his shooting issues, I can't pass on him. He single-handedly strengthens the team defense, and he can dish the ball without a lot of turnovers. He is a scrapper and a winner, IMO.

Yuanta Holland - I had a hard time choosing between Holland and Monty Scott. I thought we needed more inside depth, so I chose Holland.

I was close to putting Norman Plummer on this team, but I was always frustrated with how he played against good big men.

I like your team, but disagree with the starters.

PG Marshall
SG Roberts
SF Wright
PF Waleskowski
C Ashman

Bench
Hall
Stanley
M Johnson
C Johnson
Warren
Holland
Little
Finn

San Diego Flyer · #7 12-25-2009, 09:48 PM

Originally Posted by m21eagle45

I like your team, but disagree with the starters.

PG Marshall
SG Roberts
SF Wright
PF Waleskowski
C Ashman

Bench
Hall
Stanley
M Johnson
C Johnson
Warren
Holland
Little
Finn

I like this one except I would add the shooter--Luke, in lieu of Little.

Buster Goode · #8 12-26-2009, 01:26 AM

My 12 players of the decade:

PG - Marshall
SG - Roberts
SF - Hall
PF - Waleskowski
C - Finn

Bench:
Wright
Stanley
Ashman
M. Johnson
Warren
Green
Little

- Wish I could have fit CJ on the list, just not enough time. Expect him to be on the 10's all-decade time
- Stanley not good enough on defense to start
- KW is the player of the decade IMHO
- Ashman only played a half-seaon in the decade, but as a center, clearly the 2nd best at worst at that position for the 2000's
- Just can't leave Hall off the starting 5
- If Roberts could have led us to an NCAA tournament win, he could have competed with Keith for player of the decade. Without a tournament appearance, Ramod and Brooks have a better standing in that category than BRob
- Little barely over Holland and Scott at the final 12th spot
- BTW, Norm? Frank? Are you serious?

ClearTheRunwayForWLJ · #9 12-26-2009, 02:03 AM

I agree with a couple of them.

I believe to maximize what a great player Roberts was he has to be used as a two.

PG - Ramod
SG - Brob
SF - Wright
PF - Waleskowski
C - Finn

I agree with everyone's bench.

I just feel that Finn's talents and imposing figure has to be in the starting lineup. He was a ridiculous shooter, shot over 60 percent for his career I believe ... he also was a shot changer in the lane, that is huge. Had he played 10-15 min his frosh year, he probably has near 1,500 points.

Ramod was awesome ... I am salivating over the prospect of Ramod and BRob scoring 35-40 a night.

Fudd · #10 12-26-2009, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer

I like this one except I would add the shooter--Luke, in lieu of Little.

I thought about Luke on my team. I like that choice. He is a special offensive weapon. The last few spots are a tough decision between Little, Plummer, Fabrizius, Scott and Holland IMO.

I also can't argue with Finn as a starter. He altered a lot of shots and was so darn efficient offensively. He was also very good on the break. He would give us a starting line-up with tremendous size, especially with Brooks playing the SG position, like in my line-up.

springborofan · #11 12-26-2009, 01:31 PM

I'd find a place for Nate Green on this team.

UDDoug · #12 12-26-2009, 01:53 PM

Tough one to call. I am leaving off Ashman, arbitrarily deciding that half a season of the year 2000 is not enough to qualify as being in the decade. Using at least one full season in 200x years as critieria. With that in mind:

PG Marshall, Morris (edited thanks to Chef)
SG Roberts, Stanley, M Johnson
SF Hall, C Johnson, Stelly
PF Wright, Green, Holland
C Finn, Waleskowski

flyerfan4life · #13 12-26-2009, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by jw4daytonflyers#1

PG-Brian Roberts
SG-Brooks Hall
SF-Chris Wright
PF-Marcus Johnson
C-Mark Ashman

Bench (in no order)-
Ramod Marshall
Monty Scott
Charles Little
Tony Stanley
Keith Waleskowski
Frank Iguadola
Sean Finn

I will assume that you didn't mean to put Marcus at the 4....

Secondly I think BRob has to be a starter, so here is my starters. I agree with your team, with the exception of Iguodala. I'm putting CJ in there to replace him on your team.

Starters:

Ramod Marshall
Brian Roberts
Chris Wright
Keith Waleskowski
Sean Finn

Buster Goode · #14 12-26-2009, 03:33 PM

Originally Posted by jw4daytonflyers#1

PG-Brian Roberts
SG-Brooks Hall
SF-Chris Wright
PF-Marcus Johnson
C-Mark Ashman

Bench (in no order)-
Ramod Marshall
Monty Scott
Charles Little
Tony Stanley
Keith Waleskowski
Frank Iguadola
Sean Finn

Marcus Johnson at PF? I don't see how anyone can leave Ramod off the starting 5.

Flyer 86 · #15 12-26-2009, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Fudd

I thought about Luke on my team. I like that choice. He is a special offensive weapon. The last few spots are a tough decision between Little, Plummer, Fabrizius, Scott and Holland IMO.

I also can't argue with Finn as a starter. He altered a lot of shots and was so darn efficient offensively. He was also very good on the break. He would give us a starting line-up with tremendous size, especially with Brooks playing the SG position, like in my line-up.

i Like Doug's list best i think, and agree with Finnie at the 5 spot. saw him for 2 years, and his 60% shot percentage is hard to replicate.

can't keep Plum on tho' he had the potential but messed up.

Ramod setting up B Rob would have been incredible. Having Finn and Chris Wright together would have been something also, both shooting 65-70% near the rim.

Keith was just a stud. For his limited athletic ability he was one guy i would NOT have wanted to play against as he progressed. One tough mother, who EARNED it all!

If CJ had another year under his belt, he'd definitely be on there, prob. in Starting 5. Good thread to kill time over the 'days

Flyer 86 · #16 12-26-2009, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Goode

My 12 players of the decade:

PG - Marshall
SG - Roberts
SF - Hall
PF - Waleskowski
C - Finn

Bench:
Wright
Stanley
Ashman
M. Johnson
Warren
Green
Little

- Wish I could have fit CJ on the list, just not enough time. Expect him to be on the 10's all-decade time
- Stanley not good enough on defense to start
- KW is the player of the decade IMHO
- Ashman only played a half-seaon in the decade, but as a center, clearly the 2nd best at worst at that position for the 2000's
- Just can't leave Hall off the starting 5
- If Roberts could have led us to an NCAA tournament win, he could have competed with Keith for player of the decade. Without a tournament appearance, Ramod and Brooks have a better standing in that category than BRob
- Little barely over Holland and Scott at the final 12th spot
- BTW, Norm? Frank? Are you serious?

i wish hall and Monty Scott both had the good fortune of getting assists from London or Lowery, would have been different story -- especially for Monty.

Snackman · #17 12-26-2009, 04:39 PM

PG-Ramod Marshall
SG-Brian Roberts
SF-Chris Wright
PF-Keith Waleskowski
C-Sean Finn

POD-Keith Waleskowski
6th man-Marcus Johnson

jw4daytonflyers#1 · #18 12-26-2009, 10:34 PM

Originally Posted by Buster Goode

Marcus Johnson at PF? I don't see how anyone can leave Ramod off the starting 5.

I originally had Ramod in the starting 5. The only way to make that work is to put RM at PG and BROB at SG. Brooks Hall NEEDS to be starting though. You are right though, I wasn't thinking very straight, I'd definetly put KW in there at the 4.

flyerfan4life · #19 12-26-2009, 11:44 PM

Originally Posted by jw4daytonflyers#1

I originally had Ramod in the starting 5. The only way to make that work is to put RM at PG and BROB at SG. Brooks Hall NEEDS to be starting though. You are right though, I wasn't thinking very straight, I'd definetly put KW in there at the 4.

I don't think the issue was with leaving KW out of the starting line-up at the 4. It was the fact that MJ is only 6'3"...he clearly can't play the 4.

jw4daytonflyers#1 · #20 12-27-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life

I don't think the issue was with leaving KW out of the starting line-up at the 4. It was the fact that MJ is only 6'3"...he clearly can't play the 4.

Exactly. I was just saying that Keith should definetly be at the 4

PerrymanFan · #21 12-27-2009, 12:21 PM

The feedback from this thread got me thinking: who is the player of the decade for the Flyers? Looks like everyone has BRob and KW in their starting 5, so I could assume that it would likely be one of those two, but can someone start a poll for us to vote. It coule be between Roberts, KW, Marshall, Hall, CW, and Stanley if we limited it to six.

I'd be very interested to see the results of this vote...

The Chef · #22 12-29-2009, 06:53 AM

The biggest beef I have with these lists is this: There's a lot of talk about London Warren making these lists, and while he has been a tremendous defensive stopper, I cannot put a guy who has been an offensive liability for most of his career on an all-decade team.

My third PG (behind Marshall and Roberts) would be David Morris if I were to have a third one. His senior season was a real tour-de-force in terms of assists and assist to turnover ratio.

So, my 13 man roster:

Starters:
PG - Marshall
SG - Roberts (combo)
SF - Wright
PF - Waleskowski
C - Ashman

Bench:
Hall
Stanley
Finn
Scott
M. Johnson
Morris
Little
Green

San Diego Flyer · #23 12-29-2009, 10:06 AM

Originally Posted by The Chef

The biggest beef I have with these lists is this: There's a lot of talk about London Warren making these lists, and while he has been a tremendous defensive stopper, I cannot put a guy who has been an offensive liability for most of his career on an all-decade team.

My third PG (behind Marshall and Roberts) would be David Morris if I were to have a third one. His senior season was a real tour-de-force in terms of assists and assist to turnover ratio.

See, I have the same problem with that as the issue with CW. Based on London's performance to-date, I would not put him on as 3rd pg either. But if he goes bananas like he did last season when Rob went down and leads us to the sweet sixteen, he would definitely be ahead of Morris in my book. Wasn't it Morris who overindulged at meals his Junior year and was basically a disappointment? London would have eaten up that David Morris.

PerrymanFan · #24 12-29-2009, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer

See, I have the same problem with that as the issue with CW. Based on London's performance to-date, I would not put him on as 3rd pg either. But if he goes bananas like he did last season when Rob went down and leads us to the sweet sixteen, he would definitely be ahead of Morris in my book. Wasn't it Morris who overindulged at meals his Junior year and was basically a disappointment? London would have eaten up that David Morris.

I take Edwin Young over both. True leadership on and off the court, great defender, scored when necessary.

UDDoug · #25 12-29-2009, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by The Chef

My third PG (behind Marshall and Roberts) would be David Morris if I were to have a third one.

Eidted my list, removing Warren for Morris. Not sure why, but I was thinking he graduated in 2000 with Ashman, but that was actually his soph season. Edwin Young was the senior PG on the 99-00 NCAA team.

With that, I'm also replacing Little with Green (same error). Blame it on old age.

San Diego Flyer · #26 12-29-2009, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by PerrymanFan

I take Edwin Young over both. True leadership on and off the court, great defender, scored when necessary.

One game shouldn't cost a player votes, but at Tucson in 2000 there were two things that cost us a victory in the NCAA. One was the refs, the other was a very poor performance by Edwin Young.

IAFlyer · #27 12-29-2009, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by emswartz92

PG: Ramod Marshall
SG: Tony Stanley
SF: Chris Wright
PF: Keith Waleskowski
C: Mark Ashman

Bench:

Brian Roberts
Monty Scott
Marcus Johnson
Sean Finn
Brooks Hall
Charles Little
Norman Plummer
Nate Green

I liked Tony Stanley's swagger, but he was an inconsistent player/shooter at best. In my book Roberts has to start as the most consistent shooting threat we have had in a while (the only one in his four years and we haven't had one since).

masonflyer · #28 12-29-2009, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by PerrymanFan

I take Edwin Young over both. True leadership on and off the court, great defender, scored when necessary.

I would take Lowery over all three of them.