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No collusion with russians

Thank you Mich Flyer. I copied and pasted your post.

Closed. Russia Investigation 21 mins ago
House Intel finds 'no evidence of collusion' between Trump campaign and Russia. Swampy is weeping.

"We have found no evidence of collusion, coordination, or conspiracy between the Trump campaign and the Russians."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...nd-russia.html

This is so important it deserves its own thread.
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Of course the Republicans say there was "no collusion." What did you expect them to say?

The Senate committee will come to the same conclusion because the GOP controls it as well.

Just because the Republicans say it does not mean it is so.

Statement by Congressman Adam Schiff: https://mobile.twitter.com/RepAdamSc...343168/photo/1

The only committee that really matters is Mueller's.

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And of course the Democrats control the Mueller investigation, so they will try to string this fantasy of theirs out for three more years.
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This only means that CNN will ramp up the Trump/Russian collusion fake news from 23.5 hrs/day to 24 hrs/day.
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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...20265374543872

"Several witnesses thought to be central to the investigation never came before the panel, NYT notes, including:
—Paul Manafort
—Rick Gates
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—George Papadopoulos"

So the House Intelligence Committee concluded there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, without interviewing three members of the Trump campaign who have pleaded guilty to colluding with Russia.

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/sta...20265374543872

"Several witnesses thought to be central to the investigation never came before the panel, NYT notes, including:
—Paul Manafort
—Rick Gates
—Michael Flynn
—George Papadopoulos"

So the House Intelligence Committee concluded there was no collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia, without interviewing three members of the Trump campaign who have pleaded guilty to colluding with Russia.

This means absolutely nothing
Says Kyle Griffin a MSNBC hack.
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Mich stop.

Just stop.

Faux News creates a fairy tale about Uranium One and is forced to admit it as such and you have the audacity to call into question the legitimacy of someone from MSNBC? Benghazi. Pizzagate. Seth Rich. Obama's birth certificate.

These stories are what "fake news" really is--making sh*t up and reporting it.

Faux News is just that: faux (French for fake) News.
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FBI Interviewed Uranium One Informant in Clinton Foundation Investigation

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March 9, 2018

A former FBI informant who spent more than six years undercover gathering information on the Russian energy and uranium market was recently interviewed by FBI agents from the Little Rock, Arkansas field office as part of an ongoing bureau investigation into the Clinton Foundation, according to Victoria Toensing, the attorney representing the informant.

In a statement Campbell provided Congress and obtained by this reporter he said, “I was speechless and angry in October 2010 when CFIUS approved the Uranium One sale to Rosatom.” CFIUS has the power to stop deals that could threaten U.S. national security.

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There has definitely been collusion with Russia by......Clinton. The Steele dossier and Uranium One. The irony is going to be rich. She couldn’t even collude her way to victory.
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Are we to believe that if any,....any evidence at all existed of Trump collusion with Russia, that it would not have been leaked to CNN by Democratic operatives after a year and a half?

Schiff has been acting like he has seen evidence for months and months. Now, he says that the evidence that he was talking about is already in the public domain. What evidence is he speaking of? Lies on top of other lies. Where is the evidence? Where?
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Mueller has it.

In the meantime here is a list of 20 times Trump colluded with the Russians:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbram...58623802040320

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Faux News creates a fairy tale about Uranium One and is forced to admit it as such and you have the audacity to call into question the legitimacy of someone from MSNBC? Benghazi. Pizzagate. Seth Rich. Obama's birth certificate.
I will give you Pizzagate and Obama's birth certificate, but Benghazi was definitely not bull, and there have been some anomalies in how the Seth Rich case was investigated.

In comparison, the MSM reports a much higher % of bull than that.
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Mueller has it.

In the meantime here is a list of 20 times Trump colluded with the Russians:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbram...58623802040320
I do not really see anything noteworthy in that list. Just seems like the Dems are reaching, trying to make a case for something that just is not there.
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Mueller putting a (R) behind his name means nothing. It turns out that the entire top of the FBI is "Never-Trumper", feeling that it is their moral obligation to take down Trump with the fake dossier that they presented to the FISA courts as if it was verified and not a product purchased by the Democrats and Hillary. See the FBI e-mails for evidence of this. It's become the scandal of our time.
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Mueller has it.

In the meantime here is a list of 20 times Trump colluded with the Russians:

https://mobile.twitter.com/SethAbram...58623802040320
C'mon! Abramson is actually repeatedly citing the Steele Dossier there. Must I remind you that even the FBI has admitted over and over again that nothing in the Steele Dossier has ever been verified? And to top it all off, we now know that it was bought and paid for by Hillary as Russian generated campaign propaganda. Yes, Hillary paying Russians for propaganda to change an election.

It has as much credibility as asking Jake Tapper to contrive stories about Trump. Steele told the FBI he was passionately against Donald Trump, and he even lied to them, causing them to break ties with him, but they continued to use the dossier to renew FISA warrants to spy on the Trump campaign. How 'bout them apples?

Remember when CNN broke the story that Comey "reviewed the dossier with Trump" soon after his election? That somehow made the liberal media go mad, as if it validated the Steele Dossier. The logic was that "If the FBI is reviewing with the President, it must have some credibility". That was before we knew the origins of the dossier, but incredibly, the FBI was aware of the origins, and still pursued it. Well, now it turns out that Clapper is suspected of making the leak to CNN. Wouldn't that be something? Talk about collusion.
Practically the whole intelligence community could have been involved in the dossier scandal.

This is the entire foundation of the perpetuation of this lie. Keep referencing the same lie to "prove" the lie. Just like it was presented to the FISA court. They referenced a AOL article that it turns out Steele was the source of to bolster the credibility of the Steele Dossier to the FISA court. That's as corrupt as it gets. Drain the Swamp!

The water level of the Swamp has been lowered, and look how the exposed swamp creatures are scrambling for cover.

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Papadopolous says that Trump personally encouraged him to arrange a meeting with Putin according to the new book "Russian Roulette":

https://www.yahoo.com/news/papadopou...010056370.html

A reminder: Papadoplous has pled guilty and is cooperating with Mueller
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https://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/nb...usion-findings

Networks give less than 1 minute to the findings.

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C’mon CJ get real. The “findings” were railroaded by the Republicans and released without the input or knowledge of the Dems. The committee did not call Papodoupolous, Flynn or Manafort as witnesses—gee I wonder why.

The good news from all of this is that Devin Nunes will no longer be able to run to the WH with top secret info he gets in hearings.

The committee in both houses of Congress were shams and the findings are getting the coverage they deserve
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So if Mueller has the goods then he will put them forward, if not, he won't, so in the meantime all this worthless speculation is not worth a penny. All the quoting of liberal sources in the world proves nothing, as no one has any leaks from Mueller. Swampy you are just spouting crap hoping it is true and to irritate Trump supporters. Not ethical or Christian.
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Former DNI James Clapper Allegedly Leaked to CNN, Investigation Revealed

Former DNI James Clapper Allegedly Leaked to CNN, Investigation Revealed.

According to a House Intelligence Committee report, Clapper leaked that Trump had been briefed by senior officials on the contents of the dossier and in effect, the briefing, "gave the dossier legs and news agencies began to publish its contents because it had now become official news"

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Then President Obama

Then President Obama: “’There is no serious person out there who would suggest somehow that you could even rig America’s elections, there’s no evidence that that has happened in the past or that it will happen this time, and so I’d invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and make his case to get votes,’”

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The House Intelligence Committee Minority report has been released:

“The Minority has a good faith reason to believe that the White House does in fact possess such documentation memorializing President Donald Trump’s conversation with Director James Comey.”

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Theresa May understands how to deal with Putin even if Trump doesn't:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/14/e...mpression=true
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Theresa May understands how to deal with Putin even if Trump doesn't:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/03/14/e...mpression=true
Wait, haven't you been telling us that Trump and Putin are buddies and that they colluded to steal the election? Now you're saying he doesn't know how to "deal" with him?

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Trump refusing to criticize Pootie, firing those that do or failing to enact sanctions against Russia that were overwhelmingly passed in Congress tells anyone with a brain that Trump is in Pootie’s pocket.

As the Russian TV anchors repeatedly say: “Trump is ours!”
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Cool Now it's child's play.

I am comforted as a US citizen that Putin and Trump have a working relationship. We don't need a third nuke capable country bragging about the size of the nuke button on their desk.

If this thread is all that's there, then the Russian threat is trailer park gibberish and basically backpage reporting. All of which the stock market has digested and puked out long ago. Another event that makes me comfortable.
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So we need an investigation into Obama. He must have been tight with Putin to let him take over other states and to sell him our uranium. Compare what Putin did in Obama's 8 years to what he has done in the last year.
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What has Trump done to stop Putin from interfering with our elections again in 2018?

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Sessions mulling firing FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe before he retires

The real collusion.

Sessions mulling firing FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe before he retires,
a move that could deprive the outgoing deputy director of pension benefits, Fox News has confirmed.

According to the New York Times, which first reported the story, the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded in an upcoming report that McCabe has not been forthcoming with its investigation to how the FBI handled its probe into Hillary Clinton's email server.

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The real collusion.

According to the New York Times, which first reported the story, the Justice Department’s inspector general concluded in an upcoming report that McCabe has not been forthcoming with its investigation to how the FBI handled its probe into Hillary Clinton's email server.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018...e-retires.html
Interesting. "Not been forthcoming."
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The REAL real collusion:

The developer of Trump Tower Moscow received a line of credit from US sanctioned Russian bank Sberbank 3 weeks after signing a letter of intent with The Trump Organization:

https://medium.com/@ScottMStedman/ex...r-df582c22eb72

Key takeaway: This happened in October 2015, 4 months into Trump’s presidential campaign.

That’s right kids: Trump cut a real estate deal with the Russkies while he was running for President!!!
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The REAL real collusion:

The developer of Trump Tower Moscow received a line of credit from US sanctioned Russian bank Sberbank 3 weeks after signing a letter of intent with The Trump Organization:

https://medium.com/@ScottMStedman/ex...r-df582c22eb72

Key takeaway: This happened in October 2015, 4 months into Trump’s presidential campaign.

That’s right kids: Trump cut a real estate deal with the Russkies while he was running for President!!!
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DO YOU REALIZE THIS ARTICLE IS FROM DECEMBER 1?????

If even an ounce of truth to this BS you posted, I am sure your beloved CNN would have picked up on it in the past 3 1/2 months as well.

First link of yours I have clicked on in a couple of weeks, and once again I find old fake news from a source no one has ever heard of.

Try to enjoy life a bit, step away from the key board and all your witch hunting google searches of left wing rags.
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Do you realize the date is totally irrelevant?

A US candidate for president was cutting deals with a bank controlled by Putin to build Trump Tower Moscow during the freaking election and you're okay with that?

BTW this transaction was highlighted in the recently released House Intelligence Committee Minority report and is just one example of the illegal activity that Devin Nunez and company refused to follow up on.

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Do you realize the date is totally irrelevant?

A US candidate for president was cutting deals with a bank controlled by Putin to build Trump Tower Moscow during the freaking election and you're okay with that?
Do you realize if any truth at all to this, every media outlet would be all over it in the last 3 1/2 months?

Just further proof that any idiot with a keyboard can claim to be a staff writer, journalist, or whatever term you feel like correcting me on, and post anything they want, true or untrue.

How can you believe this ****?
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Google "Trump Tower Moscow letter of intent" and you will see that this story was covered by Business Insider, ABC, CNN, CBS, NY Times and WaPo, among others.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
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What has Trump done to stop Putin from interfering with our elections again in 2018?

Jack.
Not much from what I can see, but he has been in a year, and that is not his top priority. On the other hand, the Democrats believe that the Russian interference is huge. So in 8 years Obama did what? The Democratic congressmen are doing what? This so called Russian interference has been going on a long time, but all of a sudden the Democrats lost and it is a huge problem, because the Democrats now say it is.
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Mueller subpoenas Trump Organization for documents relating to Russia:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/1....co/MI33MJV5AC

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IG could soon release explosive report on FBI's Clinton probe, as Sessions weighs firing McCabe

IG could soon release explosive report on FBI's Clinton probe, as Sessions weighs firing McCabe.

The Department of Justice’s inspector general could soon release his expected explosive report detailing a more than yearlong review of the FBI and DOJ’s Hillary Clinton investigation – an effort that has already put top FBI official Andrew McCabe and his pension in jeopardy.

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Mueller subpoenas Trump Organization for documents relating to Russia:

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/03/1....co/MI33MJV5AC

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Convinced of what? That Mueller is investigating the Russian interference. He sure is heck better be, as that is the purpose of the whole show. Don't confuse asking for documents or interviewing witnesses with guilt or findings.
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Trump drew "a red line" when it came to Mueller's investigation: he did not want them looking into his finances before the election.

Which is another way of saying "Don't bother look anywhere else-- look at my finances before the election, because that's where the shady stuff is."

Mueller is following the money and you Trumpsters won't like what he finds.
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This is silly. Since when did financial dealings of a worldwide businessman before he ran for President become illegal? He was elected partly because he had a lot of international business experience. This was no secret and no scandal. It was a selling point that he emphasized. Now it is a fabricated reason for impeachment by the never-Trumpers.

This is a fishing trip by partisans.

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This is silly. Since when did financial dealings of a worldwide businessman before he ran for President become illegal? He was elected partly because he had a lot of international business experience. This was no secret and no scandal. It was a selling point that he emphasized. Now it is a fabricated reason for impeachment by the never-Trumpers.

This is a fishing trip by partisans.

What happened to investigating for collusion with the Russians? I thought that was what the investigation was about.

14 wasted months. Mueller needs to concentrate on the Hillary/Democrat paid for dossier and its fake use to get FISA warrants to spy on Trump.

Word out is McCabe will be fired. Charges may also be coming. Comey is even in bigger trouble.
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Trump is about to fire McMaster. The mood inside the WH according to 19 different WH sources "borders on mania":

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.00188320dc81
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What happened to investigating for collusion with the Russians? I thought that was what the investigation was about.

14 wasted months. Mueller needs to concentrate on the Hillary/Democrat paid for dossier and its fake use to get FISA warrants to spy on Trump.

Word out is McCabe will be fired. Charges may also be coming. Comey is even in bigger trouble.
GOP supporters cannot make this argument and still support the Special Counsel on Clinton who was supposed to be investigating Whitewater and came up with Monica Lewinsky.

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This is silly. Since when did financial dealings of a worldwide businessman before he ran for President become illegal? He was elected partly because he had a lot of international business experience. This was no secret and no scandal. It was a selling point that he emphasized. Now it is a fabricated reason for impeachment by the never-Trumpers.

This is a fishing trip by partisans.
It's not silly. The POTUS cannot be beholden financially to any foreign entity - ally or otherwise. The finances matter when you hold the highest position in the country.
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GOP supporters cannot make this argument and still support the Special Counsel on Clinton who was supposed to be investigating Whitewater and came up with Monica Lewinsky.

They came up with that he lied under oath.


It's not silly. The POTUS cannot be beholden financially to any foreign entity - ally or otherwise. The finances matter when you hold the highest position in the country.
Who says Trump is beholden financially to any foreign entity. Where is this crime? I have not heard Mueller say this. Do you so badly want to convict him?

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Who says Trump is beholden financially to any foreign entity. Where is this crime? I have not heard Mueller say this. Do you so badly want to convict him?
Ken Starr found nothing on Whitewater. He came into the Monica Lewinsky thing, which led to lying under oath.

I was responding to Fudd's dismissal of a person's business dealings not mattering. They do matter IF he has significant financial holdings/loans with foreign entities. That is why Mueller is investigating it - particularly with Russia. So, it is not silly to look at the finances of the President - especially if he has international dealings.
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Trump hits Russia with sanctions over 2016 election meddling.



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Ken Starr found nothing on Whitewater. He came into the Monica Lewinsky thing, which led to lying under oath.

So, you cannot lie under oath. The Lewinsky affair in itself would have amounted to nothing.

I was responding to Fudd's dismissal of a person's business dealings not mattering. They do matter IF he has significant financial holdings/loans with foreign entities. That is why Mueller is investigating it - particularly with Russia. So, it is not silly to look at the finances of the President - especially if he has international dealings.
Business people have dealings all over the world. McDonald's opened 50 restaurants in Russia in 2017. So what if Trump has business dealings in Russia. They were before the campaign and everybody knew about it.
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Trump hits Russia with sanctions over 2016 election meddling.



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKCN1GR23B
Russia threatens retaliation to Trump's sanctions.

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Business people have dealings all over the world. McDonald's opened 50 restaurants in Russia in 2017. So what if Trump has business dealings in Russia. They were before the campaign and everybody knew about it.
You may find this hard to believe, but McDonalds is not the POTUS. I know, weird, right?

The Constitution has an emoluments clause that severely restricts/disallows this type of situation. A little history here:

The word "emolument" has a broad meaning. At the time of the Founding, it meant "profit," "benefit," or "advantage" of any kind. Because of the "sweeping and unqualified" nature of the constitutional prohibition, and in light of the more sophisticated understanding of conflicts of interest that developed after the Richard Nixon presidency, modern presidents have chosen to eliminate any risk of conflict of interest that may arise by choosing to vest their assets into a blind trust. As the Office of Legal Counsel has held, the Constitution is violated when the holder of an Office of Profit or Trust, like the President, receives money from a partnership or similar entity in which he has a stake, and the amount he receives is "a function of the amount paid to the [entity] by the foreign government."This is because such a setup would allow the entity to "in effect be a conduit for that government," and so the government official would be exposed to possible "undue influence and corruption by [the] foreign government." The Department of Defense has expressly held that "this same rationale applies to distributions from limited liability corporations."

So, if all of his holdings are in a blind trust, this is likely a non-event. If they aren't, then there could be issues. No guarantee that there are, but not out of the question, either.
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So, if all of his holdings are in a blind trust, this is likely a non-event. If they aren't, then there could be issues. No guarantee that there are, but not out of the question, either.
So - If. 14 months of IF. It must be really complicated to find something since they moved on from collusion which is what the investigation was supposed to be about.
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Business people have dealings all over the world. McDonald's opened 50 restaurants in Russia in 2017. So what if Trump has business dealings in Russia. They were before the campaign and everybody knew about it.
Are you saying that it would be OK for a U.S. president to own companies that are indebted to Russian (or any foreign) interests to the tune of hundreds of millions, for example? You are OK with that?
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So - If. 14 months of IF. It must be really complicated to find something since they moved on from collusion which is what the investigation was supposed to be about.
Mich, when Mueller was given the job he was charged with investigating "Russian collusion and any other illegal activities that might be uncovered doing so". I don't have the exact words....but his specific instructions were not limited to collusion.
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Mich, when Mueller was given the job he was charged with investigating "Russian collusion and any other illegal activities that might be uncovered doing so". I don't have the exact words....but his specific instructions were not limited to collusion.
More like a Democrat setup - if you cannot get Trump on collusion, get him on something else.
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Are you saying that it would be OK for a U.S. president to own companies that are indebted to Russian (or any foreign) interests to the tune of hundreds of millions, for example? You are OK with that?
We're in a stage of government evolution where only the rich, famous and uber connected will be nominated for the Presidency from any political party. With that said, what are the chances that one of them (Oprah, The Rock, Joe Biden*, ???) and their >$100M isn't tied up in Russia, China, etc...?

If a year of Trump investigations haven't turned up anything illegal, immoral or fattening, then WHEN charges are finally brought against him, I'll look like the 7 Degrees of Kevin Bacon...

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A Democratic set-up....

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More like a Democrat setup - if you cannot get Trump on collusion, get him on something else.
Mich, re Mueller's probe being a Democratic set-up....give this a bit of thought.

Robert Mueller was selected as special counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who gave Mueller his marching orders re what was to be the scope of the investigation. Rosenstein was appointed Deputy Attorney General by President Donald Trump.
Does that really appear to be a Democratic set-up to you?
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Mich, re Mueller's probe being a Democratic set-up....give this a bit of thought.

Robert Mueller was selected as special counsel by Deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein who gave Mueller his marching orders re what was to be the scope of the investigation. Rosenstein was appointed Deputy Attorney General by President Donald Trump.
Does that really appear to be a Democratic set-up to you?
UAC - think about it. Yes, it does sound like a setup as Rosenstein appears to be one of the ones who renewed the false FISA warrants, based on the Hillary/DNC fake dossier, to spy on Trump. He was appointed because Sessions was forced to recuse himself by Democrat pressure. Rosenstein was in with FBI Director Mueller on the Hillary investigation and the approval of the uranium sale to Russia. Mueller is also a good friend of liar Comey. And why are so many Democrat contributors on Mueller's army of prosecutors?
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UAC - think about it. Yes, it does sound like a setup as Rosenstein appears to be one of the ones who renewed the false FISA warrants, based on the Hillary/DNC fake dossier, to spy on Trump. He was appointed because Sessions was forced to recuse himself by Democrat pressure. Rosenstein was in with FBI Director Mueller on the Hillary investigation and the approval of the uranium sale to Russia. Mueller is also a good friend of liar Comey. And why are so many Democrat contributors on Mueller's army of prosecutors?
Amen! And if Trump shuts down Mueller because he knows he is innocent, then he looks guilty. So he lets it go, then many say he must be guilty. Meanwhile Trump thinks, let is play out, since I have done nothing. I do not think he saw this nonsense dragging out for a few years.

It is not only about whether Mueller is a Republican. McCain is a Republican, and he would bury Trump in a heartbeat. You have to remember when this whole thing started many in the Republican swamp were not accepting that Trump won, and wanted to get rid of him. Republicans were hearing the false scenarios, like the Russian dossier, before the truth came out.
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FBI official Peter Strzok-Page

On Friday, newly-revealed text messages showed that two senior federal law enforcement officials (Strzok-Page) who were key figures in investigations into Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton allegedly conspired to meet with the judge who presided over the case against Michael Flynn.

The judge, Rudolph Contreras, was recused from handling Flynn's case but only after he accepted a "guilty plea of President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser who was charged with making false statements to federal investigators," The Federalist's Mollie Hemingway reported.

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On Friday, newly-revealed text messages showed that two senior federal law enforcement officials (Strzok-Page) who were key figures in investigations into Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton allegedly conspired to meet with the judge who presided over the case against Michael Flynn.

The judge, Rudolph Contreras, was recused from handling Flynn's case but only after he accepted a "guilty plea of President Donald Trump’s former national security adviser who was charged with making false statements to federal investigators," The Federalist's Mollie Hemingway reported.

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Unbelievable! The FBI tried to hide this. These texts have been requested by Congress for months and months.
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The Washington Post does a much better job of explaining the situation without all of the breathless conspiracy theories: they are friends:

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The Washington Post does a much better job of explaining the situation without all of the breathless conspiracy theories: they are friends:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/ampht...f68_story.html
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The judge recused himself only days after the Strzok texts began to leak to the public. Interesting timing to say the least. It's a lot like the timing of McCabe deciding to "retire" as soon as the investigation turns his way.

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Unbelievable! The FBI tried to hide this. These texts have been requested by Congress for months and months.
It is true and has been widely reported that the FBI has been stonewalling Congress....the people's representatives....for months. Totally uncooperative. The FBI is part of the executive branch of government, meaning that throughout the stonewalling one word from the President or the Attorney General would have ended it. That also has been widely reported....and it not at all clear why the President/AG allowed the FBI's behavior to continue., i.e., failure to cooperate with Congress for months.
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Three different sources (who have spoken to Mueller or Congressional committees) have contradicted AG Sessions' testimony that he opposed Trump campaign Russia outreach:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...=.d190871457eb

Bear this in mind: the subject of Russian outreach was broached by George Papadoupolous who is now cooperating with Mueller.

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Trump congratulated Pootie on his "election" victory despite specific warnings from his National Security Advisors DO NOT CONGRATULATE in his briefing materials:

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Difficult to understand

From what I've read Russians are laughing at the sanctions we recently imposed. Simply put...they are harmless. No one feels any pain from the sanctions.

Meanwhile, the oligarchs that keep Putin in power and that he must please have an estimated hundreds of billions stashed abroad in the form of bank accounts and property. Accounts could have been frozen and property seized by the Brits. They didn't do it. That explains Putin's obvious disdain for the West. We're afraid of him and he knows it. But why?
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So it was OK for Trump's predecessor to congratulate Putin?

http://www.projectrepublictoday.com/...m-flexibility/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-...article/633368
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The double standard by the media in this country is highly disturbing, and unethical.
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A little context, perhaps?

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So it was OK for Trump's predecessor to congratulate Putin?

http://www.projectrepublictoday.com/...m-flexibility/

http://www.weeklystandard.com/obama-...article/633368
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The double standard by the media in this country is highly disturbing, and unethical.
Putin ate Obama's lumch regularly; but....

In 2012...six years ago at the time of Putin's election...Russia did not have forces in Ukraine; Russian proxies had not shot down a passenger airliner over Ukraine; Russia had not annexed Crimea; Russian forces were not directly involved in Syria; Russia had not blatantly poisoned one of its former spies in the U.K.; Russia was not implicated in meddling in U.S. elections; Putin's State-of-the-State address did not feature simulated missile attacks on the U.S.

Putin's Russia is not behaving in any way close to the way it acted six years ago. Seems to me that there is plenty of media coverage of Russia in recent years.
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And, wow! Anyone watching Fox News tonight must think Fox panelist Steve Hayes, Weekly Standard Editor in Chief, is a Prider. In a discussion re Trump's congratulating Putin, Hayes ran through my list of Russian offenses and added a few others exclaiming that "Russia is an enemy of the United States and Trump treats him like a friend". As for the President's comment to the effect that Russia can help us with problems, Hayes pointed out that Russia is the "cause" of most of the problems!

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Trump's remark to Putin that they should meet soon caught Trump's advisors completely off-guard, as there were no plans for them to do so. His advisors fought about whether to include it in the readout of their "congratulations" call but we're forced to do so when the Kremlin beat them to it:

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Guccifer 2.0 the Russian hacker who communicated with and was defended by super shady Trump associate Roger Stone was in fact a Russian intelligence officer:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/exclus...igence-officer

Bad news for Stone and Drumpf: Robert Mueller is now taking over the Guccifer 2.0 investigation.
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MUELLER TELLS COURT PAUL MANAFORT PARTNER RICK GATES KNEW THEY WERE DEALING WITH EX-RUSSIAN INTELLIGENCE AGENT:

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Former Trump adviser Carter Page confirms that he told investigators about campaign contacts with the Russian ambassador at the GOP convention:

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The Wall Street Journal has an email from Roger Stone to Sam Nunberg, dated August 4, 2016 in which Stone says, "I dined with Julian Assange last night."

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Guess swampy is posting repeatedly to convince himself. Wasting time swampy as most have written off you ability to be objective and don't waste time reading your post other than the heading.
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Guess swampy is posting repeatedly to convince himself. Wasting time swampy as most have written off you ability to be objective and don't waste time reading your post other than the heading.
The guy is a big liberal joke to 95% of the posters. Nobody reads his fake news garbage, but he continues to post his crap and dominate the political threads. As mentioned previously, it would be nice if he took a long spring break vacation.
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So you were in the sunshine state and you took the time to post all of this crap. Sad.
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So you were in the sunshine state and you took the time to post all of this crap. Sad.
Like most liberals, he obviously enjoys annoying people. Why else would he continue to post his fake news crap while on vacation? Very sad
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IMO, the problem I have with Trump's attackers is that they keep coming up with Russia-related stuff that they think is incriminating, and they keep pointing and saying "Look! There! There! There!"

But, the stuff they keep pointing out just is not incriminating stuff. When you ask them to explain the criminality, all they have to fall back on is innuendo and insinuation.
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Like most liberals, he obviously enjoys annoying people. Why else would he continue to post his fake news crap while on vacation? Very sad
No one in person will lend an ear to listen to garbage...easiest way is to come on a message board...but in fantasy land...there is an ignore button.
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New filings from the Special Counsel, responding to Manafort's motion to dismiss his indictment, include a new heavily redacted document from Rosenstein dated last August regarding Manafort.

Ain't nothing fake about this document, especially the part where Rosenstein directs Mueller to pursue charges that Manafort colluded with the Russian government in their efforts to interfere with the 2016 election:
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CNN analysis of the above non-fake news:

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U.S. Hits Russian Oligarchs And Officials With Sanctions Over Election Interference:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ion-interferen

Seven Russian oligarchs and the 12 companies they own or control are on the new sanctions list. So are 17 senior Russian government officials, along with a government -owned weapons trading company and its subsidiary bank.

Because of the sanctions, assets held by the individuals in the U.S. will be frozen; Americans are also barred from doing business with those named in the list.
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"The White House says that it has now sanctioned 189 Russian-related individuals and entities, for offenses that range from undermining elections to its dealings with Syria and its actions regarding both Ukraine and North Korea."

I guess the fake news about Trump being soft on the Russians is pretty quiet these days. Wonder how many Obama sanctioned in 8 years?
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Painful enough, ???

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U.S. Hits Russian Oligarchs And Officials With Sanctions Over Election Interference:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-...ion-interferen

Seven Russian oligarchs and the 12 companies they own or control are on the new sanctions list. So are 17 senior Russian government officials, along with a government -owned weapons trading company and its subsidiary bank.

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"The White House says that it has now sanctioned 189 Russian-related individuals and entities, for offenses that range from undermining elections to its dealings with Syria and its actions regarding both Ukraine and North Korea."

I guess the fake news about Trump being soft on the Russians is pretty quiet these days. Wonder how many Obama sanctioned in 8 years?
It has been pointed out often that the way to get to Putin is to cause pain for the oligarchs that run Russia. McMaster said recently we have not been causing sufficient pain. The NPR story that Swampy posted sounds very impressive. I hope it's as painful as it sounds.

Assuming that it is...and that we're finally pushing the right buttons, there is a downside. Putin is highly popular in Russia and has convinced the people that the West, the U.S. particularly, is attacking Russia...trying to hold Russia down. From what I've read the Russian people are buying it.....with the result that anti-American sentiment in Russia is strong and growing.

That's not good. Russia is very weak economically; but a dangerous force to be reckoned with. A time-tested technique of dictators like Putin is to distract the people from the mess they (Putin) made by getting them to focus on an outside enemy.

To counter that we should have a strong propaganda machine of our own, e.g. the Voice of America. I've read that in the post-cold war era the "Voice" has all but disappeared. I don't know if that's true or not. But in the Internet age it should be easier to connect directly with the Russian people. Putin is Russia's problem.....that has to be communicated directly to the people. Instead it appears that Putin is effectively rallying his people against the West. That's dangerous.
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Wonder how many Obama sanctioned in 8 years?
You're kidding, right? Obama extended heavy duty sanctions on Russia right before he left office:

https://www.rferl.org/a/us-president.../28232805.html

In addition, Congress almost unanimously passed even tougher sanctions on Russia that Trump absolutely refused to act on for over a year.

It's about time he got off the golf course and did something about them because up until now he has done zippo.
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True statement

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You're kidding, right? Obama extended heavy duty sanctions on Russia right before he left office:

https://www.rferl.org/a/us-president.../28232805.html

In addition, Congress almost unanimously passed even tougher sanctions on Russia that Trump absolutely refused to act on for over a year.

It's about time he got off the golf course and did something about them because up until now he has done zippo.
It's true that for some reason the President did not act on the sanctions passed by Congress a long time ago. The poisoning in the U.K. was such an outrageously brazen act that all at once the West woke up and is responding to Putin collectively.

Putin can do whatever he wants in Russia so long as it does not cause pain for the oligarchs that keep him in power. The assets they have stored "safely" in the West is their Achilles heel....bank accounts, property, etc.

Interesting though, as secure as Putin's position with the Russian people appears to be...and as overwhelming as his "election" victory was, Putin would not allow the names of a few opposition candidates to appear on the ballot.
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Mueller Has Evidence Contradicting Erik Prince’s Testimony About Russia Meeting:

https://www.thedailybeast.com/muelle...russia-meeting

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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows View Post
You're kidding, right? Obama extended heavy duty sanctions on Russia right before he left office:

https://www.rferl.org/a/us-president.../28232805.html

In addition, Congress almost unanimously passed even tougher sanctions on Russia that Trump absolutely refused to act on for over a year.

It's about time he got off the golf course and did something about them because up until now he has done zippo.
So how many??
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So how many??
These included a rapid set of sanctions on people and enterprises in March 2014 following the Crimean annexation, and sector-based sanctions on Russia in July 2014 following continued Russian military activities in eastern Ukraine, said Anders Åslund, a senior fellow at the Atlantic Council.

Plus the ones previously noted in January of 2017.

Outside of Crimea and Ukraine, there was no reason to impose sanctions on Russia until the attack on our elections in 2016. Obama did so right before he left. Trump has done nothing since then until now...nothing.

Keep in mind imposing sanctions is one thing; enforcing them is quite another.
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As to why it took Trump so long to impose sanctions on the Russians, Charlie Pierce on Esquire.com has the answer: so that the oligarchs could move their money around:

https://www.esquire.com/news-politic...c=socialflowTW
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Putin ate Obama's lumch regularly; but....

In 2012...six years ago at the time of Putin's election...Russia did not have forces in Ukraine; Russian proxies had not shot down a passenger airliner over Ukraine; Russia had not annexed Crimea; Russian forces were not directly involved in Syria; Russia had not blatantly poisoned one of its former spies in the U.K.; Russia was not implicated in meddling in U.S. elections; Putin's State-of-the-State address did not feature simulated missile attacks on the U.S.
You are correct UAC. Putin was a honorable man back then. I am surprised Obama did not give Putin a Key to the US. Maybe he should have passed word to him that he would be free to do more for him after he won his final election. Perhaps some Uranium would have been thoughtful. I am sure Russia never meddled in our elections before Hilary. Russia, had a Spy eliminated, surely you jest.

Can you be any more blatant in your hatred of President Trump? Do you seriously believe President Obama thought that was an honest election? It is my opinion that Obama is aware of the lives lost during the rise of Putin's reign but Putin was a good man 6 years ago
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