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Looks like taylor has the hops of Charles Little, athleticism of Marcus Johnson, along with shot of say.... Kevin Anderson of Richmond. Consistent outside shot With jumping ability
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I sure thought he had the whole offensive package that Charles was somewhat lacking. Would be a great addition to the stable. But didn't see that explosive 41" vertical that CL occasionally astounded the crowd with. More in the line of CJ hops, which is fine.
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Several, if not all, of the BCS conferences have conference rules that do not permit them to enroll any athlete who fails to qualify as a freshman. Any nonqualifier, or partial qualifier, goes the JUCO route or to prep school if they can reclassify.
It's why you see guys like Scott, Thomas and Taylor and their BCS suitors go in different directions. Once the BCS school starts to have serious doubts about qualifying they cut ties because they know they can't enroll them if they fail to fully qualify.
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Looks like taylor has the hops of Charles Little, athleticism of Marcus Johnson, along with shot of say.... Kevin Anderson of Richmond. Consistent outside shot With jumping ability
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I love how Charles Little used to dunk. Always a two-handed power slam, no matter who got in the way or how much traffic there was around him.
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Has anyone heard if John Hart from Purdue is considering transferring? I think he's eligible to transfer without sitting out a year since he'll be a graduating senior and probably won't see much playing time at Purdue. I don't expect him to come in for a year and set the world on fire, but he would provide some nice depth at guard for a year while Archie shores up the backcourt for 2013.
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Has anyone heard if John Hart from Purdue is considering transferring? I think he's eligible to transfer without sitting out a year since he'll be a graduating senior and probably won't see much playing time at Purdue. I don't expect him to come in for a year and set the world on fire, but he would provide some nice depth at guard for a year while Archie shores up the backcourt for 2013.
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Why is everyone so enamored with Big Ten players? While this might be a stop gap solution for one year, I'm not sure this helps us in the long term.
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Why is everyone so enamored with Big Ten players? While this might be a stop gap solution for one year, I'm not sure this helps us in the long term.
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Why exactly would it be bad to address an immediate need for one year? Especially if none of the current guard recruits end up at UD. Having played in the big ten has nothing to do with it.
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I would prefer not to have a one year transfer but this would be preferable to signing a guard who might never get past emergency player status. You hate a to sign a mediocre player just to cover yourself next year. And I don't know enough about the guards we are pursuing to rate them
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Two words: Stephen Thomas.
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Thomas was far from a worldbeater but I recall him making some key contributions. As a 3rd pg and last guy off the bench, he was fine. As the roster stands now, Thomas would get some minutes.
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Thomas was far from a worldbeater but I recall him making some key contributions. As a 3rd pg and last guy off the bench, he was fine. As the roster stands now, Thomas would get some minutes.
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We certainly could have used Thomas in 09-10 when Lowery was so inconsistent.
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Steven Thomas was a good bench guy and an enthusiastic team player. He had a nice career at IUPUI.
Now for the bad news. If ST is our benchmark for even a backup guard, we are destined to be NIT lifers. We have to set the bar higher than that, and for all appearances Archie is doing just that.
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Steven Thomas was a good bench guy and an enthusiastic team player. He had a nice career at IUPUI.
Now for the bad news. If ST is our benchmark for even a backup guard, we are destined to be NIT lifers. We have to set the bar higher than that, and for all appearances Archie is doing just that.
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I don't think anybody is saying Thomas should be our benchmark even for a backup guard. My point was I don't think Thomas would have made that terrible decision at the end of the St Joe's game, gone 0/11 against New Mexico (0/10 on three-pointers), committed two turnovers in the last 90 seconds to blow the Duquesne game, gone 3/17 at X, or got that "T" at the end of the X A-10 Tourney game.
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I don't think anybody is saying Thomas should be our benchmark even for a backup guard. My point was I don't think Thomas would have made that terrible decision at the end of the St Joe's game, gone 0/11 against New Mexico, committed two turnovers in the last 90 seconds to blow the Duquesne game, gone 3/17 at X, or got that "T" at the end of the X A-10 Tourney game.
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I was never that upset with Lowry reacting to Holloway's aggression after the time out was called. Holloway came over and took a free shot after the time-out in my opinion, and guys get caught more often reacting to that type of thing. If Holloway got the swipe in before the whistle, it should have been a foul. That's why I think we got hosed on that call. It was considered a punch because his hand was closed. Can you really hurt someone "punching" their forearm?
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I agree about ST being a suitable alternative to Lowery
Originally Posted by longtimefan
I don't think anybody is saying Thomas should be our benchmark even for a backup guard. My point was I don't think Thomas would have made that terrible decision at the end of the St Joe's game, gone 0/11 against New Mexico (0/10 on three-pointers), committed two turnovers in the last 90 seconds to blow the Duquesne game, gone 3/17 at X, or got that "T" at the end of the X A-10 Tourney game.
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I disagree on the benchmark point (because there is nothing much going on right now ). Posts 309 to 312, when read sequencially, make a case that an ST-like point guard would be an acceptable choice today. That's pretty much establishing a benchmark for a backup player.
That's different than advocating in post 313 that ST would have been an acceptable alternative to Rob Lowery, which back then I would have heartily agreed with, and more so even today knowing his performace at IUPUI.
I hope and believe that Arch should not and will not spend a 4 year scholarship on that level of player today.
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I was never that upset with Lowery reacting to Holloway's aggression after the time out was called. Holloway came over and took a free shot after the time-out in my opinion, and guys get caught more often reacting to that type of thing. If Holloway got the swipe in before the whistle, it should have been a foul. That's why I think we got hosed on that call. It was considered a punch because his hand was closed. Can you really hurt someone "punching" their forearm?
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I agree we got hosed on that call. If Tu-Tu's slap was before the whistle, it should have been a foul as you said. If it was after the whistle it should have been a "T" on Tu-Tu. I don't think RL's slap was considered a punch though. The referee just overreacted to it. I believe a "punch" is an automatic ejection. Anyway, RL's slap should have been a no-call since Tu-Tu's slap got no call. But I still think Rob should have had more self-control.
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If Steven Thomas isn't an acceptable benchmark
It's possible Ridenour is < S Thomas . . .
Just sayin' . . .
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So if we need a backup pg who has some experience and can play right away, looks like a high rated juco would be a good way to go.
But I'm having a hard time finding a list of who is available out there that is a top 50 caliber pg.
Anybody have a link that lists top 100 and where they've committed and who is still undecided?
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Ridenour is not likely to be playing D1 ball next year. He had a lot if work to do to qualify. He might get there but high risk.
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Ridenour is not likely to be playing D1 ball next year. He had a lot if work to do to qualify. He might get there but high risk.
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It appears the administration may be loosening its policy of not recruiting players with academic issues (if, in fact, there was such a policy, and all indications are there was based on some comments in the past in the DDN).
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Larry Hansgen, in yesterday's on-line DDN ( http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...s-1360173.html) notes how our thin back court could pose problems this coming season. I'm not sure if this indicates that AM doesn't have any realistic prospects at either guard position or not, but, assuming Larry is somewhat in the loop, it sure doesn't bode well.
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Confident that Arch will sign up SOME point guard for next season. The only questions are 4yr vs 2yr, and quality. The marquee point guard position, like Javon Thomas as a four year centerpiece, is open and attractive. It might be filled this year but could also happen next year. With Dillard graduating Arch has a sweet spot open, but could cover his bases with a lesser talent for a season. Lot of moving parts there.
There is no question in my mind that Arch wants in that NCAA Tournament next season, and he is scheming to get there with another point guard that won't actually be the key to the whole season whomever it is. That guy will be a key ingredient to 2013/14.
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It appears the administration may be loosening its policy of not recruiting players with academic issues (if, in fact, there was such a policy, and all indications are there was based on some comments in the past in the DDN).
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Both of the last two outgoing coaches made comments to that they dont have the same recruiting freedom as the top of the conference. I know OP always thought he had James Posey (if I recall the correct player) and had to back off. I believe Monty Scott and Yuanta Holland) are the only nonqualifiers admitted in 20 years. Almost lost Tony Stanley when they forced him to prep school to qualify.
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I will be pleasantly surprised if theyand someone at this point who can contribute in a meaningful way. Whether the surprise is someone qualifying or an under the radar recruit I don't know. But if we were betting I would put my money on next years backcourt already being in classes at UD. Willie Moore is probably best chance but don't know the odds there.
I see little chance of landing a highy regarded JUCO point. They aren't going to sit behind Dillard at point for half their career. A JUCO wing who can play some point is possible. They likely discount Sanford.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Both of the last two outgoing coaches made comments to that they don't have the same recruiting freedom as the top of the conference. I know OP always thought he had James Posey (if I recall the correct player) and had to back off. I believe Monty Scott and Yuanta Holland) are the only nonqualifiers admitted in 20 years. Almost lost Tony Stanley when they forced him to prep school to qualify.
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Agree, and I have stated this several times, but it doesn't seem to generate much discussion as to why we are behind some of our "peers."
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Confident that Arch will sign up SOME point guard for next season. The only questions are 4yr vs 2yr, and quality. The marquee point guard position, like Javon Thomas as a four year centerpiece, is open and attractive. It might be filled this year but could also happen next year. With Dillard graduating Arch has a sweet spot open, but could cover his bases with a lesser talent for a season. Lot of moving parts there.
There is no question in my mind that Arch wants in that NCAA Tournament next season, and he is scheming to get there with another point guard that won't actually be the key to the whole season whomever it is. That guy will be a key ingredient to 2013/14.
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I am confident Archie will pick up a guard for next season but I am not so confident it will be a point guard. It is possible that the coaching staff is comfortable with Vee as the back up PG. They have had a year to see what they have with him, so they should know one way or the other.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Both of the last two outgoing coaches made comments to that they dont have the same recruiting freedom as the top of the conference. I know OP always thought he had James Posey (if I recall the correct player) and had to back off. I believe Monty Scott and Yuanta Holland) are the only nonqualifiers admitted in 20 years. Almost lost Tony Stanley when they forced him to prep school to qualify.
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So if we need a backup pg who has some experience and can play right away, looks like a high rated juco would be a good way to go.
But I'm having a hard time finding a list of who is available out there that is a top 50 caliber pg.
Anybody have a link that lists top 100 and where they've committed and who is still undecided?
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http://www.jucorecruiting.com has a list of the Top 100 JUCO's for 2011. That list came out in May of 2011 I believe, so I think the 2012 list won't come out until next month.
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Did OP and BG actually say this directly?
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Harris had a comment in a blog to that effect when BG left. Albers had similar comments from OP. And I heard the Posey type comments. And others like "we can't recruit him".
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As long as the player is committed to doing the academic work, I think they should take partial qualifiers or non-qualifiers.
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I am confident Archie will pick up a guard for next season but I am not so confident it will be a point guard. It is possible that the coaching staff is comfortable with Vee as the back up PG. They have had a year to see what they have with him, so they should know one way or the other.
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That would put the Flyers into 2013/14 without a pure point guard on the roster and faced with a Freshman to carry the load. Risky. I have seen enough combo guards with Lowery, Sandoval, and Parker trying to run the point. We'll see.
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That would put the Flyers into 2013/14 without a pure point guard on the roster and faced with a Freshman to carry the load. Risky. I have seen enough combo guards with Lowery, Sandoval, and Parker trying to run the point. We'll see.
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We've also had a couple non-point/combo guards do pretty well at the point in Roberts and Marshall. But of course I would prefer a pure point guard.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
That would put the Flyers into 2013/14 without a pure point guard on the roster and faced with a Freshman to carry the load. Risky. I have seen enough combo guards with Lowery, Sandoval, and Parker trying to run the point. We'll see.
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I would definitely prefer a pg if there's a good one out there.
As for your list, i would put Ramod in the category too. He did pretty well at the position. A combo guard definitely could't run BG's offense.
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Neither could the points, wings, or bigs.
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As long as the player is committed to doing the academic work, I think they should take partial qualifiers or non-qualifiers.
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Same here. Xavies record with graduating 4 year players hasn't been impacted one iota by the number of partial and nonquailfiers admitted.
Daytons two nonqualifiers graduated. The only player who hasn't is Stanley. If he were admitted as a nonqualifier he might have graduated to get a fourth year to play.
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Apparently, Dayton had been looking at a 6'4" guard / forward from Virginia who was going to prep school in Canada. The player committed to Missouri State.
http://articles.kspr.com/2012-04-13/...lains_31339454
I am sure there are other guards being recruited whose names we aren't hearing.
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We've also had a couple non-point/combo guards do pretty well at the point in Roberts and Marshall. But of course I would prefer a pure point guard.
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I agree about Marshall--top of the combo class at point. Roberts was such a special shooter and penetrator, played some point in highschool, but a natural 2 out of position. One of a kind for us.
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Apparently, Dayton had been looking at a 6'4" guard / forward from Virginia who was going to prep school in Canada. The player committed to Missouri State.
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The spring signing period mostly includes elite one and dones, academic risks waiting to qualify, those who think they were underrecruited and rleases due to coaching changes. And if course D1 transfers. The latter two us where Dayton can fund productive players. Only the releases are likely to contribute in 12/13.
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The spring signing period mostly includes elite one and dones, academic risks waiting to qualify, those who think they were underrecruited and rleases due to coaching changes. And if course D1 transfers. The latter two us where Dayton can fund productive players. Only the releases are likely to contribute in 12/13.
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Nothing too terribly interesting here but there are a couple things worth noting in this article, http://www.flyernews.com/articles/vo...medium=twitter
1) Devin Scott attempted to reach out to Jevon Thomas, but Thomas blew him off.
2) Scott has not talked to Sibert, but has spoken to family members of Jordan's. He doesn't know one way or the other if Sibert wants to come to UD.
3) Regarding Ryan Taylor, the article quotes Taylor's coach saying that Ostrom is leading the recruiting efforts.
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Boy, a Sibert/Taylor announcement would certainly ease the tensions in this joint. At that point we would still desperately need a true PG or a combo guard to backup Dillard. I don't think anyone on this board is comfortable with Sanford and D-MO being the only options.
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I have read on an OU site that Lavert has asked to be released from his LOI. Might be interesting to see if the Flyers go after him.
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I have read on an OU site that Lavert has asked to be released from his LOI. Might be interesting to see if the Flyers go after him.
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OK clue us in! Who is Lavert? and what in the hell is OU (Ohio U, Oregon U, Oklahoma U Old People's U) Which is it.
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OK clue us in! Who is Lavert? and what in the hell is OU (Ohio U, Oregon U, Oklahoma U Old People's U) Which is it.
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6'4" G Caris LeVert from Pickerington... originally committed to Ohio U
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
I have read on an OU site that Lavert has asked to be released from his LOI. Might be interesting to see if the Flyers go after him.
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Would not be at all surprised if UD is looking at shooting guard, Caris Lavert, once he gets his release. Late bloomer who was 5'9" as a freshman. Now he's 6'4" to 6'5" depending on where you look. Needs to bulk up but he can shoot it.
http://50.31.20.209/messageboard/top...umPID=4&page=1
Also, one poster on a Buckeyes forum suggests that Nebraska and Purdue are looking at Lavert. The poster also suggests that given the OSU defections and the strong connection between Lavert's head coach and OSU, the Buckeyes might even get involved. When he committed to OU, his only offers were Alabama State and St. Francis (PA).
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Nice recruiting site
I had never seen this site before, so sorry if you all know about it.
http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/dayton
However, seeing they still have Thomas listed as a 2013 recruit and reading Archies comments, do they know something we do not know or are they just not up to date on where things stand?
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The poster also suggests that given the OSU defections and the strong connection between Lavert's head coach and OSU, the Buckeyes might even get involved.
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he may want to talk with Sibert, Offutt, Weatherspoon, etc. before deciding to be a Buckeye.
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The recruiting season has been eye opening for me. I knew that there were some transfers and some players available late because of academic issues. But, I had no idea of how many good players are available late in the recruiting process. I'm thinking that we will be players in this late season recruiting game next year, before we really begin establishing ourselves as a higher level destination (assuming )
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Basketball recruiting makes me think that the good folks at the Cambridge Dictionary need to start thinking about adding a new definition for the word commitment. Something like "a loosy goosy promise that means almost nothing and only becomes a commitment if nothing better comes along" would be in order.
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Basketball recruiting makes me think that the good folks at the Cambridge Dictionary need to start thinking about adding a new definition for the word commitment. Something like "a loosy goosy promise that means almost nothing and only becomes a commitment if nothing better comes along" would be in order.
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Basketball recruiting makes me think that the good folks at the Cambridge Dictionary need to start thinking about adding a new definition for the word commitment. Something like "a loosy goosy promise that means almost nothing and only becomes a commitment if nothing better comes along" would be in order.
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It goes both ways. Coaches and players.
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Taylor, Sibert, and best available guard (PG or combo) sounds great to me.
If we get a combo guard, that would open up a huge competition for starting PG the next year (barring a high-level recruit or Juco). Vee, the new combo, or a freshman true PG.
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I have read on an OU site that Lavert has asked to be released from his LOI. Might be interesting to see if the Flyers go after him.
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OK clue us in! Who is Lavert? and what in the hell is OU (Ohio U, Oregon U, Oklahoma U Old People's U) Which is it.
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6'4" G Caris LeVert from Pickerington... originally committed to Ohio U
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Would not be at all surprised if UD is looking at shooting guard, Caris Lavert, once he gets his release. Late bloomer who was 5'9" as a freshman. Now he's 6'4" to 6'5" depending on where you look. Needs to bulk up but he can shoot it.
http://50.31.20.209/messageboard/top...umPID=4&page=1
Also, one poster on a Buckeyes forum suggests that Nebraska and Purdue are looking at Lavert. The poster also suggests that given the OSU defections and the strong connection between Lavert's head coach and OSU, the Buckeyes might even get involved. When he committed to OU, his only offers were Alabama State and St. Francis (PA).
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'12 Pickerington Central SG Caris Levert has received his release from Ohio University, re-opening his recruitment.
http://twitter.com/#!/Corey_Rivals51...05274814595072
0 stars from Rivals and Scout, but he got an 87 grade and 2 stars from ESPN.
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From what I gather Lavert was on no one's radar as a sophomore, then improved drastically as a junior, and again improved a lot as a senior. Ohio U was the first program to really recruit him at all, and he took their offer before anyone else got involved recruiting him. Given all that, it's no surprise he has not been evaluated by several of the recruiting services which tend to notice the guys who blow up early and tend to overlook a kid who isn't hearing from multiple schools. I'm not going to pretend to know how good Lavert is or isn't, but it isn't hard to see how the guy who waits for multiple offers and flirts with programs (like an Eron Harris) will end up higher ranked than the guy who takes the first mid-major offer he gets.
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I always thought you had to have a qualifying score to take an official visit. But a little research says you have to send an official transcript and official SAT or ACT scores. Nothing about having a qualifying score. That would indicate you just have to take it. Not qulaify. How close you are would determine if schools offer the official visit since they are limited in how many recruits they can bring in for official visits.
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ESPN is saying maybe Willie Moore from Cincinnati Aiken 6'3" combo better with ball in his hands.
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Now that Willie Moore (Cincinnati, Ohio/Aiken) is back on the open market and looking for a school, where might he end up? The talented combo guard originally committed to Duquesne, but opted out of that commitment when the Dukes switched coaches. He has been given his full release and, while the Pittsburgh-based school isn't completely out of the running yet, there are other suitors.
According to Scout.com, Dayton could be the team to watch here. Moore's high school coach indicated that the Flyers might be the leaders in this race if they end up offering. Moore will be a freshman next season and could offer some backcourt help for the future -- especially with leading scorer and assist man Kevin Dillard entering his senior year. Wright State, Farleigh Dickinson and Miami (OH) could be options as well.
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Here is the article with quotes from Willie Moore's high school coach. http://scouthoops.scout.com/2/1178142.html
He says that Dayton is yet to offer but has been checking in and he speculates that UD would be Willie's pick if he gets an offer.
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ESPN is saying maybe Willie Moore from Cincinnati Aiken 6'3" combo better with ball in his hands.
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You mean he's better as a point than as a shooting guard? I can't see where anyone indicated that.
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Virginia Tech's Seth Greenberg is making the trip to Cincy to visit with Moore tomorrow. If UD wants him, they probably need to decide pretty soon.
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Anyone know if rivals.com 4 star 6'4" SG Torian Graham from Durham, NC has committed yet? North Carolina State was once interested but they have gotten commitments from 5'11 PG Tyler Lewis from Oak Hill Academy and 6'4" 195 lbs Rodney Purvis.
I saw his highlight tape on you tube and he looks to me more like a combo guard. AM is a NC State graduate
and if the Wolfpack is no longer interested I would think the Flyers could definitely have an interest.
Also, what is the latest info on Kedar Edwards?
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it should tell us something that moore's a 3 star recruit, back on the market, wants to go to ud, and archie is just checking in with him at this point. there has to be someone else or some others that archie is chasing. we know we're late in the calendar, so that should add a bit more indication that there are available targets.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
it should tell us something that moore's a 3 star recruit, back on the market, wants to go to ud, and archie is just checking in with him at this point. there has to be someone else or some others that archie is chasing. we know we're late in the calendar, so that should add a bit more indication that there are available targets.
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FWIW, at espn.com, Moore is a 2-star (82) recruit. 82 is a low 2-star - would put him among the lowest rated we've had on the team recently. Obviously, different services give different ratings, they're not entirely accurate, etc. But he doesn't have super-high numbers, and he doesn't have many other schools beating down his door. Still, he is one of the best in the state this year (top 10 at least).
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My guess is that there is someone the Flyers want to have a crack at before they offer Moore (Drummond or Levert maybe?)
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fa - there's clearly a range regarding moore. unrated...2 star...3 star. at least 1 report has va tech paying a visit to moore today. my point is simply that arch must have options. i agree with see bass. we want to get on someone else's dance card before we "settle" for moore.
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he doesn't have many other schools beating down his door. Still, he is one of the best in the state this year (top 10 at least).
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If they haven't offered I would agree he is down their list several spots.
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I just hope that Arch & his staff aren't holding-out for someone who has a 5% chance of picking UD (as opposed to other suitors), or a 5% chance of qualifying to play in 2012-13. As we saw with last year's depth issue, a decent body (who can give you 10-12 minutes a game) is better than no body at all.
Re Moore, most of the guys in last year's Duquesne starting lineup would have at least seen the floor for us at some point last season. If Moore is "only" that good (and if he has qualified), he could at least spell KD & VS for 5-7 minutes each in 2012-13. And right now, we have no one besides KD & VS who's under 6'6" and is on scholarship for next year. A bird in the hand...
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fa - there's clearly a range regarding moore. unrated...2 star...3 star. at least 1 report has va tech paying a visit to moore today. my point is simply that arch must have options. i agree with see bass. we want to get on someone else's dance card before we "settle" for moore.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
I just hope that Arch & his staff aren't holding-out for someone who has a 5% chance of picking UD (as opposed to other suitors), or a 5% chance of qualifying to play in 2012-13. As we saw with last year's depth issue, a decent body (who can give you 10-12 minutes a game) is better than no body at all.
Re Moore, most of the guys in last year's Duquesne starting lineup would have at least seen the floor for us at some point last season. If Moore is "only" that good (and if he has qualified), he could at least spell KD & VS for 5-7 minutes each in 2012-13. And right now, we have no one besides KD & VS who's under 6'6" and is on scholarship for next year. A bird in the hand...
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I agree. We absolutely need a guard, hopefully a PG. According to media reports, it sounds like we're at the top of the list for both Taylor and Moore. Possibly Sibert, too. I'd be excited to get those 3. Is there someone better? Dunno. Also, if Moore is a combo-guard and a comparable PG is available, I think we should go that route. Filling in minutes at the 2 is much easier than filling in minutes at the point.
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saw a tweet that the NCAA has stated that Moore must sit a year if he transfers to an A-10 school.
Why any kids signs an LOI is beyond me. They should sign a financial aid agreement which binds the school to the player, but the player is not obligated to the school.
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it would explain archie's hesitation if moore does have to sit out a year. i would think that any such rule would be an a10 imposed condition of signing a loi rather than an ncaa rule. at least, i would hope. i can't allow myself to dive into all of the issues i have with rules like this or the way the ncaa limits player movement. just can't.
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Willie Moore has narrowed his choices to Virginia Tech or South Carolina. I'm surprised by the ruling that he would have to sit out a year if he went to another A10 school. Given that we need a guard who can play right away, he's not a good fit. Time to move on.
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Willie Moore has narrowed his choices to Virginia Tech or South Carolina. I'm surprised by the ruling that he would have to sit out a year if he went to another A10 school. Given that we need a guard who can play right away, he's not a good fit. Time to move on.
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I agree with DallasFlyer. If Moore can't play for us next season then the decision becomes 'Can we get someone better next year?'
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I just hope that Arch & his staff aren't holding-out for someone who has a 5% chance of picking UD (as opposed to other suitors), or a 5% chance of qualifying to play in 2012-13. As we saw with last year's depth issue, a decent body (who can give you 10-12 minutes a game) is better than no body at all.
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It depends on how productive that body is. Not sure I want a Logan White type using a scholarship for four years.
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Isn't that why Sandavol went to some Juco for 1 season prior to enrolling at UD when he left Richmond?
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I believe Sandoval was just a normal transfer who would have had to sit out a year according to transfer rules, so he decided to go JUCO for a year instead. Moore is in a totally different situation covered by a different rule.
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If he'd be available as a backup for next year, I could live with a Duquesne-type player being our 13th man for the next 3. If we have to wait until 2013 for him anyway, then it becomes a case of "Willie: take a number".
We saw what having only 3 natural guards meant last year. We currently have 2 for next season, which means we're near-desperate for another guard who's "A-10 scholarship-recipient" caliber for the 2012-13 season. 12 months can buy a lot more (or a lot less) selectivity.
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I've heard he has some killer moves!
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04-18-2012, 07:49 PM
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He wants to make a big splash.
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04-18-2012, 09:15 PM
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caris levert
caris levert just got out of his LOI from OU.
He would be a perfect fit for what we need, and he is a stud. If archie can get him and ryan taylor then this recruiting class would be outstanding!!
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04-18-2012, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Today Caris Levert received a release from the LOI he signed with the Bobcats.
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He's an 87 with Espn and 3 stars with Scout.
Got some height. Anyone have a "scouting" report on his game?
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04-19-2012, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by UDFLIES
caris levert just got out of his LOI from OU.
He would be a perfect fit for what we need, and he is a stud. If archie can get him and ryan taylor then this recruiting class would be outstanding!!
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Now if archie could also get Jordon Sibert as a transfer, that would definitely be three studs. Two for next season and Sibert to take Kevin Dillard's spot at PG the following year.
Caris Levert led Pickerington Central to the 2012 Div. 1 state championship and was #8 among Ohio prospects according to ESPN. He is a pure shooter and scorer with deep range and a quick release.
ESPN.com recruiting coordinator, Reggie Rankin, describes the 6'4" SG as "a guard who can really score the ball in a variety of ways."
I've always said we need shooters! Lets go get this kid!
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04-19-2012, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer
Now if archie could also get Jordon Sibert as a transfer, that would definitely be three studs. Two for next season and Sibert to take Kevin Dillard's spot at PG the following year.
Caris Levert led Pickerington Central to the 2012 Div. 1 state championship and was #8 among Ohio prospects according to ESPN. He is a pure shooter and scorer with deep range and a quick release.
ESPN.com recruiting coordinator, Reggie Rankin, describes the 6'4" SG as "a guard who can really score the ball in a variety of ways."
I've always said we need shooters! Lets go get this kid!
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Sibert and Levert would be nice, but I don't think Sibert is a point guard. We would still need a true point (unless Sanford could run the point in '13-'14).
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04-19-2012, 10:03 PM
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Originally Posted by NCkevi
Frank Martin has landed his first official visit as USC's new basketball coach. 6-5 Thaddeus Hall of Brooklyn, NY has set an official visit with the Gamecocks for April 13 according to New York Post prep reporter Zach Braziller. Martin met with Hall Thursday while in New York. Hall also was visited by Dayton coach Archie Miller. Hall also has offers from Fordham, St. Johns, Hofstra, Virginia Tech and Maryland. He has visited St. Johns unofficially and might visit Maryland. Hall plans to make a decision by the end of the month.
http://www.goupstate.com/article/201...sets-USC-visit
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Hall committed to South Carolina today according to Zack Braziller at the New York Post
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04-19-2012, 10:22 PM
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This Sunday Jalen Robinson and Caris Levert will be teamates in an allstar game played in Columbus. http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...o0gu1gr-1.html
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