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Old 05-15-2017, 03:57 PM
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5. Was elected two terms despite being born in Kenya

6. Went on vacation/golfing every single weekend (wait, that sounds familiar)

7. Attempted to steal everyone's guns
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8. Had a calm and controlled presidency in comparison to the current occupant of the WH.
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
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Democrat Hipocrisy

Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
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8. Had a calm and controlled presidency in comparison to the current occupant of the WH.
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
10. Killed Bin Laden.
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Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
I haven't really seen where Obama has accused Trump of anything since Trump took office, but even if he has, so what?? He's been out of office for almost four months now. He's not the one that's investigating trump. Nothing he says or does really matters anymore. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under Trump's watch and under GOP control. You can stop complaining about Obama now.

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I haven't really seen where Obama has accused Trump of anything since Trump took office, but even if he has, so what??
I did not say Obama accused Trump. I said the Democrats are accusing Trump of something they have actually already done with Obama and Comey when they let Hillary off the hook.

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I did not say Obama accused Trump. I said the Democrats are accusing Trump of something they have actually already done with Obama and Trump when they let Hillary off the hook.
That's actually not what you said. You never actually even mentioned the democrats, so "THEY" as a pronoun no one had any way of knowing that's who you meant. But, if that's what you meant, then okay.

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Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
But even still, so what?? The democrats aren't in power. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under the watch of Trump and under the control of the GOP.

And, what are you saying that the democrats had actually already done??
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Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
That's actually not what you said. You never actually even mentioned the democrats, so "THEY" as a pronoun no one had any way of knowing that's who you meant. But, if that's what you meant, then okay.

Sorry I was not clear enough.


But even still, so what?? The democrats aren't in power. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under the watch of Trump and under the control of the GOP.
Agree that the Democrats are not in power. The point I meant to get across is that the Democrats are being hypocritical when they are accusing Trump of something they have already done when they cleared Hillary (Obama and Comey).

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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
Not even remotely similar situations.
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Not even remotely similar situations.
Similar but not the same. Obama actually got Hillary off the hook whereas Trump did not. Remember when Obama came out before the Comey ruling saying there was no intent. That is what Comey used to get Hillary off the hook. The Democrats are saying Trump tried to get Flynn off the hook.
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Not even in the same galaxy.

It's highly likely Trump asked Comey to stop the investigations. Stating you don't believe there was intent (which shouldn't have been done) to potentially interfering is not close to the same thing.

And Comey is a Republican.
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I think we need to start a new thread titled: Trump's presidency has been chaotic and exhausting. Lol.

Trump's presidency is well on its way to being more chaotic and exhausting than Obama's was.
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It is after just 115 days. We are witnessing history, folks
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[QUOTE=UDDoug;507723]Not even in the same galaxy.

It's highly likely Trump asked Comey to stop the investigations. Stating you don't believe there was intent (which shouldn't have been done) to potentially interfering is not close to the same thing.

And Comey is a Republican.[/QUOTE

Obama indirectly asked Comey to clear Clinton as Obama said Hillary showed no intent. So she was not guilty. Sounds like interference to me as Comey did just what Obama wanted. Who cares if Comey is a Republican. He is a lackey who did not perform his job properly.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
Ive been following the polls and have continued to find something very interesting:

When the general question of "do you approve of the Trump presidency?" Or "On what scale do you approve/disapprove of the Trump presidency?", Trump's poll numbers are not very good. This question is really nothing more than a restatement of "Are you Republican or Democrat" however. Its more or less the same question and more or less going to garner the same answer.

But here's where things take a detour. When you delve into the details and you start asking Americans very specific questions about specific things and what direction they are headed, the polls are generally quite favorable to Trump.

When questioned specifically about border security, jobs, trade, healthcare, China, military, gender equity, etc, the answers "somewhat approve", "generally approve", or "highly approve" far outnumber those "somewhat disapproving" and worse.

So when you pin Americans down to the topics, they like where we're headed. When you just want to make it about Donald Trump, they have a very different opinion. But you cannot separate the two. One directly or indirectly affects the other. He is the leader of the country for good bad or indifferent and he sets the tone and direction.

Americans generally like how the battle is being fought and the results that follow, but question the manner in which the general is fighting it.

Polling is mostly about persuasion and nuance. How questions are asked, in what tense, which adjectives used, in which order, with what choices, and whom is actually being polled. You can ask the same question 5 different ways and get 5 different results. I generally do not trust polls for or against any opponent anymore. Not only do I not trust the pollsters, I generally have little faith in those being polled to answer truthfully and set aside bias, dissonance, and emotion.
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When asked, "Are you happy with the Trump Presidency?", people think about the constant negative press/liberal propaganda given to Trump and respond negatively. When you ask them if they like his specific policies, people generally like his policies because those policies make logical sense and put American interests first.
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It is specifically the other stuff, not policies, that drive the negatives. And why I thought he was so unqualified to be POTUS. The job is about a lot more than policies.
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And look at what the career politicians have done. Harry Reid, Pelosi.....
Term limits.
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I agree with term limits. I agree with getting non politicians into office. Careers in "public service" should not exist. None of that makes Trump fit for office, but there are many other people with long and successful business or other careers who would be.

The defense of Trump should not be but look at everyone else.

Adding to the list and I think this is the right number

11. Never had to be concerned about impeachment (by his own party nonetheless)
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11. Never had to be concerned about impeachment (by his own party nonetheless)
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
I don't think he's worried about impeachment. I don't think he ever really worries about anything, particularly the things he should be worried about.
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Well if White House lawyers are studying the Clinton administration, including impeachment, they at least consider it a possibility. However remote at present. Even Santorum says the past weeks cant continue without the House turning on the administration.

Trump needs to control his rhetoric and shut off his twitter feed.

Trump may not be worried about it, but his aides are concerned.

As is the GOP leadership concerned about keeping the House. There is at least a decent possibility the Dems take the House in midterms. Speaker Pelosi likely brings impeachment charges unless the special counsel investigation concludes with no adverse findings quickly.
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
Doesn't the fact that impeachment talk started before the actual Presidency began tip you off that this is not about illegal or improper Presidential actions, but a last ditch effort to stop the agenda that was voted into power with Trump?
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Does the fact the WH started researching it after the Comey firing tip you off that there may be more of a there there than blowhard far left posturing. It is still highly unlikely the House would act but if Mueller comes up with obstruction they well might.

Trump's issues don't have anything to do with the left, draining the swamp or the establishment. His issues are entirely self inflicted.
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if Mueller comes up with obstruction they well might.
It would be very odd if Mueller came up with obstruction after the FBI leadership has repeatedly communicated to Congress that no obstruction occurred. That would be very odd indeed.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?

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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?
It's my understanding that the 'obstruction' occurred when Trump - just before firing Comey - told him that Mike Flynn was 'a good guy' or something to that effect.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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That seems pretty clear. So no obstruction according to Comey before the firing. No obstruction according to McCabe after the firing. So, what is piquing your healthy curiosity? If the FBI is not sensing any obstruction into their investigation, who in the world is going to be better informed than them? I'm not that curious after hearing both acting FBI directors (before and after the Comey firing) quash the question of obstruction.

Yet, it is all the rage to talk about possible "obstruction of justice" on CNN fake news. They act as if these statements have never been made by the FBI. They are in a blind anti-Trump frenzy.
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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?
Of course not.
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As you are in a blind eyes kiss ass phase. McCabe may or may not know what Comey was told when he was fired. If Trump told Comey that Flynn is a good guy and I hope you can see your way to let this go, and when Comey said I can't and the Trump fired him, that may well be obstruction. Regardless of what McCabe testified to.
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Well if White House lawyers are studying the Clinton administration, including impeachment, they at least consider it a possibility. However remote at present. Even Santorum says the past weeks cant continue without the House turning on the administration.

Trump needs to control his rhetoric and shut off his twitter feed.

Trump may not be worried about it, but his aides are concerned.

As is the GOP leadership concerned about keeping the House. There is at least a decent possibility the Dems take the House in midterms. Speaker Pelosi likely brings impeachment charges unless the special counsel investigation concludes with no adverse findings quickly.
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Think about it seriously Doug. Slinging crap at a man for two years is not going to change the reason the democrats have lost touch with the average working man. They have done absolutely nothing to change what they did in the last elections but rather doubled down on blaming the average man for their failures.

When it becomes obvious that the Russian conspiracy theory is nothing but a political hoax your team will be off to another desperate attempt to save what was once a proud political party gone seriously astray.
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My team? You think I am a Democrat?

Most certainly not. Nor am I a Republican.

The blind loyalty on both sides and the outright hatred for the other side is what us wrong with this country.
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My team? You think I am a Democrat?

Most certainly not. Nor am I a Republican.

The blind loyalty on both sides and the outright hatred for the other side is what us wrong with this country.
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Yes, actually I did! You seemed to be taking some pleasure in your statement that the dems could take the house midterm. My Mother was a democrat my Father is a republican. I am 66 and have probably voted republican 65% of the time.

One thing I have learned in my 66 years is that I do not trust the media. they have always wanted to run the country. They are just getting more brazen about it.

There is no such thing as a good politician but the combination of the media and some democrats have sunk to a low I did not want to know.
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Just stating my opinion that the GOP is likely to over reach, just like the Dems did, and the House may flip. Frankly we need a competitive third or fourth party because both of the two are awful.
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Just stating my opinion that the GOP is likely to over reach, just like the Dems did, and the House may flip. Frankly we need a competitive third or fourth party because both of the two are awful.
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Both of the parties were challenged by outsiders this election cycle. The DNC was so infected by establishment power, that Bernie Sanders was handicapped by the DNC chair who was working behind the scenes to undercut him. The Swamp won in that case.

The RNC was schooled by Donald Trump to the point where they had to change course and get on board with him, at least publicly. They kicked and screamed along the way, and there is still a strong never-Trumper movement. He did, however, change the course of the party. Change in the party is still an ongoing battle, but this is the most effective way to change the direction of a party. The battle will rage throughout Trumps Presidency, but the party will emerge significantly different.
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I doubt if this ever makes the MSM.
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The RNC was schooled by Donald Trump to the point where they had to change course and get on board with him, at least publicly. They kicked and screamed along the way, and there is still a strong never-Trumper movement. He did, however, change the course of the party. Change in the party is still an ongoing battle, but this is the most effective way to change the direction of a party. The battle will rage throughout Trumps Presidency, but the party will emerge significantly different.
Which is why additional competitive parties are necessary.
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Which is why additional competitive parties are necessary.
I have nothing against an additional competitive party, but I think it is a more difficult and therefore more unlikely path to change.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-gang-members/

Think this will ever make the news? Great investigative journalism during Trumps predecessors eight years.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-gang-members/

Think this will ever make the news? Great investigative journalism during Trumps predecessors eight years.
Not to the degree that it needs to be.

It's the number of gangs and the number of gang members that most strongly correlates with the level of gun violence and the number of gun related crimes. It's not even gun laws. Countries in Central America with strict gun laws but high levels of gangs have tons more gun crime than countries with virtually no gun laws and no gangs. No one seems to make that connection. In fact, I've never even seen it printed anywhere. But, it's true. Honduras now has very strict gun laws, but they still have a ton of gun violence. They also have a lot of gangs. I know MS 13 isn't based there, but they are by no means the only violent gang. Whereas gun violence in much of Europe is very low, but so is the level of gang activity that exists there.
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Europe has enough to deal with without the gangs.
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Europe has enough to deal with without the gangs.
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