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Old 02-22-2017, 09:33 PM
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Blackburn Court

....needs to be on the
court, NOT the sideline.
Just watch ESPN,
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
....needs to be on the
court, NOT the sideline.
Just watch ESPN,
coaches name on
court everywhere
I agreed with this before, last year I think...on tv, because of the side of the arena that the TV camera is set up on, you NEVER see the words "Blackburn Court".

It is like those words are not even written on the border of the court.
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Old 02-23-2017, 07:58 AM
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Why can't such a simple thing get done?
There is no advertisement on court that would
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Old 02-23-2017, 08:29 AM
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Is this really a burning issue for the university? Whether or not people on TV -- the majority of which have no idea who this "Blackburn" guy is -- can see the name?

If it's Dean Smith or Phog Allen sure. There's nostalgia there for even the average viewer. But I doubt there's really any strong reason to do this. Or to be fair any reason to not do it. It's just not something to get worked up about I think.
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Either put it where it's
100% visible or remove
it....and are you thinking
Donoher Court may have
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Alternatively, perhaps it gives people pause to look up Blackburn and Donoher, and realize UD is resurgent rather than a Johnny come lately. Not unlike Guy V. Lewis written on University of Houston court. Until I looked a couple of things up I couldn't have told you anything other than they lost to the Wolfpack in one of the luckiest and most amazing finishes in a NC ever. Turns out if you look at his record he was a pretty good coach. Not a bad thing to advertise history. Otherwise why hang banners etc?
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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post

If it's Dean Smith or Phog Allen sure. There's nostalgia there for even the average viewer. But I doubt there's really any strong reason to do this. Or to be fair any reason to not do it. It's just not something to get worked up about I think.
Ask 100 people under the age of 50 at the next UD Game who Phog Allen was?

Same question, under the age of 30 for Dean Smith.

I bet the percentage of fans who know are in the single digits.
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We should be able to see it better. Tom Blackburn made Dayton basketball one of the top programs of the 50s and 60s. Be proud of our history. Let people ask" who was Blackburn?" Maybe they will look it up and see how great UD was and obviously see how the program has been reborn.
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We should be able to see it better. Tom Blackburn made Dayton basketball one of the top programs of the 50s and 60s. Be proud of our history. Let people ask" who was Blackburn?" Maybe they will look it up and see how great UD was and obviously see how the program has been reborn.
Agree 100%. TB took over a podunk basketball program in 1947,at a small Catholic school that no one had heard about, and built it into a top five program. He, and we, had the winningest program in all basketball in the decades 0f the 50's and 60's. Put it on the court in big letters, let those who don't know about him become educated.
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I think "Tom Blackburn Court" or "Thomas Blackburn Court" should be written on the court. I think coach's first name should be included.
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
I agreed with this before, last year I think...on tv, because of the side of the arena that the TV camera is set up on, you NEVER see the words "Blackburn Court".

It is like those words are not even written on the border of the court.
It's on the baseline.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
Ask 100 people under the age of 50 at the next UD Game who Phog Allen was?

Same question, under the age of 30 for Dean Smith.

I bet the percentage of fans who know are in the single digits.
I bet most 'under 30' would think Phog Allen was a Pokémon and Dean Smith was that guy in Animal House.
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Originally Posted by shocka43 View Post
It's on the baseline.
It was not on the baseline during the last UD home game, Dayton vs. George Mason.

Again, the "Blackburn Court" part is completely blocked out/invisible on tv because of the press row and the fact that the TV camera is on the same side of the court as the words "Blackburn Court".

This is the court design that was used during the George Mason game:



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It's on the baseline.
It hasn't been on the baseline since they got the new court. It's along the sideline in front of press row as the photo above shows.
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Even with the old design, I would have preferred a more prominent location, the lettering is too small IMO also.

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Phog Allen, I used to watch that cartoon, Looney Tunes, right?

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
Ask 100 people under the age of 50 at the next UD Game who Phog Allen was?

Same question, under the age of 30 for Dean Smith.

I bet the percentage of fans who know are in the single digits.
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So we have spent the last two or three days arguing over what players belong in the UD athletics hall of fame and whether Blackburn Court isn't displayed prominently enough on the court.

I'd almost prefer a discussion on whether UD should be in the Big East.
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Ask 100 people under the age of 50 at the next UD Game who Phog Allen was?

Same question, under the age of 30 for Dean Smith.

I bet the percentage of fans who know are in the single digits.
So move it. Or don't move it. Write it in big cursive letters across the entire court. Rebrand the whole building "Blackburn Court at the Donoher Arena" if it blows your hair back. It will make a 0% difference to anything that matters.
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Either put it where it's 100% visible or remove it.
Yeah, that would solve the "problem."
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while a "1st world problem", it could definitely be re-thought graphically. coach blackburn & donoher built the foundation -- their legacy is part of our DNA.

like it or not, "PNC Bank" is probably here to stay ... better on the floor than in the building name, right?

i've always liked the actual signature on memorial courts. you could add the words "BLACKBURN COURT" and coach's signature at half court opposite the PNC logos, or in the corners inside 3-pt line. see example from Purdue:



of course, that goes away for NCAA First Four and tournament games when our normal floor is replaced. if broadcasters follow the media guide, coach blackburn should still get some spoken respect.


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Either put it where it's 100% visible or remove it....
13,000 people can see it every game. It's not like its hidden and nobody can see it. The design of the court is fine. I think it looks better with all of that on the sidelines and baselines. Looks much cleaner. I wish they would get rid of the PNC logo on the floor, but it helps pay the bills.
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I say paint the court black and put fire emojis in the corners.

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Leave it on the sideline and put Brian Gregory Court in play.
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I brought it up because I think
it needs to be
more visible for those
in attendance and
watching on TV.
No other reason.
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CE80, rollo, Gazoo
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topic....just ridicule
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Phog Allen, I used to watch that cartoon, Looney Tunes, right?
Hey, I sorta resemble that remark!
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So move it. Or don't move it. Write it in big cursive letters across the entire court. Rebrand the whole building "Blackburn Court at the Donoher Arena" if it blows your hair back. It will make a 0% difference to anything that matters.
We already have the Donoher Center, do not name the entire Arena after him. Arena naming right are saved for another coach.

I can hear ESPN now, "we are live at Archie Miller Arena where the #1 ranked Dayton Flyers are about to take on #2 in the nation and conference rival ____________ (not naming names, would hate to see this thread hijacked ) on Blackburn Court. We now go live to the Donoher Center for Archie's thoughts on tonights game"
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Leave it on the sideline and put Brian Gregory Court in play.
Would it have a chalk outline for practices to show the bigs where to catch the ball 35 feet from the hoop running the weave?
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Originally Posted by Piqua Flyer '66 View Post
I brought it up because I think
it needs to be
more visible for those
in attendance and
watching on TV.
No other reason.
It never ceases to amaze me
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It's because you are creating a problem that really isn't a problem to most people.
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Originally Posted by Columbia Blue View Post
while a "1st world problem", it could definitely be re-thought graphically. coach blackburn & donoher built the foundation -- their legacy is part of our DNA.

like it or not, "PNC Bank" is probably here to stay ... better on the floor than in the building name, right?

i've always liked the actual signature on memorial courts. you could add the words "BLACKBURN COURT" and coach's signature at half court opposite the PNC logos, or in the corners inside 3-pt line. see example from Purdue:



of course, that goes away for NCAA First Four and tournament games when our normal floor is replaced. if broadcasters follow the media guide, coach blackburn should still get some spoken respect.

It's harder to win in the post season because the court is bigger. Someone should look into that problem.
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It's harder to win in the post season because the court is bigger. Someone should look into that problem.
its all fun and games until someone gets hurt.
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its all fun and games until someone gets hurt.
Then it is hilarious
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A comment....

No doubt, Tom Blackburn is and will always be an icon at our U.

And, we have honored others like Baujan, Frericks, Donoher,...all well deserved. Nonetheless, arguably, a man who's contributions to UD athletics are not exceeded by anyone is Ted Kissell.

When Ted arrived UD did not have an athletics program. We had a history of success in basketball and a successful football team. That was it. The rest of UD athletics didn't compare favorably to Div I schools by any measure and in many instances was not up to Div III level.

Look at UD today. Our excellent broad-based program is the result of Ted's vision, strategy and execution. The trend in recent years is to name facilities after donors. I hope that before what Ted set in motion and accomplished are forgotten the U finds a way to recognize his accomplishments.
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan View Post
I can hear ESPN now, "we are live at Archie Miller Arena where the #1 ranked Dayton Flyers are about to take on #2 in the nation and conference rival ____________ (not naming names, would hate to see this thread hijacked ) on Blackburn Court. We now go live to the Donoher Center for Archie's thoughts on tonights game"
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And, we have honored others like Baujan, Frericks, Donoher,...all well deserved. Nonetheless, arguably, a man who's contributions to UD athletics are not exceeded by anyone is Ted Kissell.

When Ted arrived UD did not have an athletics program. We had a history of success in basketball and a successful football team. That was it. The rest of UD athletics didn't compare favorably to Div I schools by any measure and in many instances was not up to Div III level.

Look at UD today. Our excellent broad-based program is the result of Ted's vision, strategy and execution. The trend in recent years is to name facilities after donors. I hope that before what Ted set in motion and accomplished are forgotten the U finds a way to recognize his accomplishments.
Since we need to honor more people I decided to add onto ClaytonFlyerFan's ESPN intro and get some sponsorship money out of it too.

"Welcome to the University of Dayton Archie Miller Lite Arena where the #1 ranked Dayton Flyers are about to tipoff in the Ted Kissell PNC Center Circle on Tom Blackburn Tire Discounters Court against conference rival Gonzaga in a matchup of top 10 US Catholic Conference rivals. The Zags just arrived today via hyperloop and are ready for a battle in the Don Donoher Mike's Nashville Hot Chicken Free Throw Lane."

Everyone feel free to add on to this intro if you can think of anyone else to honor. Remember that each honoree is potential sponorship money.
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It's harder to win in the post season because the court is bigger. Someone should look into that problem.
But look at all the extra room to draw the opponents big men away from the basket, opening up crazy lanes for Smith and Cooke.
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Let' give it to the highest bidder until Archie is canonized
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Originally Posted by C-time View Post
Since we need to honor more people I decided to add onto ClaytonFlyerFan's ESPN intro and get some sponsorship money out of it too.

"Welcome to the University of Dayton Archie Miller Lite Arena where the #1 ranked Dayton Flyers are about to tipoff in the Ted Kissell PNC Center Circle on Tom Blackburn Tire Discounters Court against conference rival Gonzaga in a matchup of top 10 US Catholic Conference rivals. The Zags just arrived today via hyperloop and are ready for a battle in the Don Donoher Mike's Nashville Hot Chicken Free Throw Lane."

Everyone feel free to add on to this intro if you can think of anyone else to honor. Remember that each honoree is potential sponorship money.
Could we become the University of Dayton Radio Flyers???
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davidson court

tonite's game will be a good example -- facsimile of (existing) coach's signature on either side of half court. the "wright state-ish" WILDCATS wordmark with clunky drop shadow is unfortunate.

no corporate sponsors on davidson's court, but building named for '43 alum and department store magnate John Belk.



that cat looks SUPER GAY ... not that there's anything wrong with that.

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