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I believe Texas has a top ten recruiting class coming in. I know they're lousy this year, but they don't have a point guard, and would probably be a lot better had he not kicked Tevin Mack of the team. And, good for him because that took a lot of balls and it showed he's not under pressure to the point of being unwilling to send a message. Mack may be allowed back next year, so if he's back, and they have this recruiting class coming in which includes a player who's expected to be one of the better point guards in the country, Texas should be fine. I don't think he has any regrets, nor do I think he won't be able to win. Most Texas fans I know actually feel really good about things.
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Thank goodness the football program is in the dumpster, again, so many fans do not care as much about Texas basketball. The ones I know are fed up with Shaka, and the next year stuff. But what do I know? When I pointed out a year ago that Gottfried was on the ropes, several replied, no way.
Besides, I am making a different point, and that is how Shaka feels these days versus his days at VCU. Losing sucks, no matter what excuse may be there.
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Someone could just tell both of them, if you don't want to be fired midseason in five years; you better keep the gig you got.
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Could someone educate me on why the NC State job is such a bottom-tier ACC position? Obviously, I understand that they have not been successful on the court of late, but what "structural" problems do they have? By that I mean are they underfunded, have terrible facilities, fan bases, etc.?
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Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1
Could someone educate me on why the NC State job is such a bottom-tier ACC position? Obviously, I understand that they have not been successful on the court of late, but what "structural" problems do they have? By that I mean are they underfunded, have terrible facilities, fan bases, etc.?
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Not sure about their program other than the way they have treated their past coaches. Present coach has gone to 4 NCAA tournaments out of his 6 years. Two were sweet 16. Several media people have stated that the fan base and admins are unrealistic/delusional etc. Coaches speaking off record have stated they would not touch that job.
They want Archie who has been to 3 NCAA (on course for a 4th) and 1 elite 8 run out of his 6 years at UD which is about the same as the one they just fired. They change coaches like ladies change shoes.
Not considered a destination job but rather a career ending job.
AD has also come under fire for handling of the hires/searches and the timing on this fire. What upper level coach would want to interview for that job while the season is still in progress and championships still on the line. The to top it off they let the fired coach remain coach till season ends.
This time around they may find themselves hard pressed to get a upper echelon coach. Coaches who are happy where they are are not going to jump at this opportunity to face a possible/likely mid season fire.
So that is the main reason its not a good opportunity for a top coach like Archie.
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My only comments on this topic.
The NCST job is not that bad especially with K and Williams probably looking to retire in the not too distant future. People point to the AD as the problem but I doubt any of Gottfreids problems this year were caused by that. The real question is could Archie wait a little longer and get a better job? And where would those better jobs be located. My bet would still be Columbus OH. Matta did fine there for many years. I don't know what has happend since the year before we beat them.
The question is , is NCST one of those jobs that would allow Archie to get out of his current contract without a major financial penalty?
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Gottfried 4 NCAAT in 6 years, 2 Sweet 16's...still fired...very concerning if I am a coach...2 bad back-to-back years, and you are canned.
AD retiring, but maybe they add another year(s) and more money onto the deal to compensate for that uncertainty.
NCSU has won multiple national championships, 1974 and 1983, so they have great tradition.
I am 50/50 as to whether Archie takes the NCSU job.
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Seems like a very noticeable drop-off since the Jim Valvano era ended in 1990.
NCSU:
NCAA Tournament champions
1974, 1983
NCAA Tournament Final Four
1950, 1974, 1983
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1950, 1951, 1974, 1983, 1985, 1986
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1954, 1965, 1970, 1974, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1989, 2005, 2012, 2015
NCAA Tournament appearances
1950, 1951, 1952, 1954, 1956, 1965, 1970, 1974, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1986, 1987*, 1988*, 1989, 1991, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015
*vacated by NCAA
Conference tournament champions
1929, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1952, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1965, 1970, 1973, 1974, 1983, 1987
Conference regular season champions
1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1953, 1955, 1956, 1959, 1973, 1974, 1985, 1989
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NCSU is top eight in attendance.
This is a big time job IMO, but so is UD.
Rank School G Attendance Average
1. Kentucky 17 397,148 23,361
2. Syracuse 17 367,068 21,592
3. Louisville 19 396,333 20,859
4. North Carolina 16 293,219 18,326
5. Maryland 17 303,676 17,863
6. Wisconsin 18 311,166 17,287
7. Indiana 17 290,809 17,106
8. North Carolina St. 18 301,646 16,758
9. Kansas 17 279,412 16,436
10. Creighton 19 302,887 15,941
11. Nebraska 18 277,739 15,429
12. Arkansas 18 267,825 14,879
13. Michigan St. 16 236,752 14,797
14. BYU 18 264,588 14,699
15. Arizona 18 261,478 14,526
16. Iowa St. 16 228,326 14,270
17. Tennessee 16 227,725 14,232
18. Virginia 15 211,671 14,111
19. Iowa 15 207,528 13,835
20. Purdue 18 245,916 13,662
21. Marquette 19 252,858 13,308
22. Alabama 15 196,655 13,110
23. New Mexico 16 208,492 13,030
24. Utah 17 220,959 12,997
25. Dayton 17 220,012 12,941
26. Texas 17 218,082 12,828
27. Illinois 13 165,409 12,723
28. Ohio St. 21 257,957 12,283
PNC Arena opened in 1999...Profesional quality arena, home to the Carolina Hurricanes hockey team of the National Hockey League.
Arena was renovated in 2003, 2008, and 2009.
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NCState is a great job, don't kid yourself. Saying otherwise is fake news.
This is simply an issue of them being after our coach...kinda like jr High when some cute girl tries to steal a boy from another cute girl...both sides will focus on the other's fat thighs or dad's job.
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NCState is a great job, don't kid yourself. Saying otherwise is fake news.
This is simply an issue of them being after our coach...kinda like jr High when some cute girl tries to steal a boy from another cute girl...both sides will focus on the other's fat thighs or dad's job.
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UD outdrew Ohio State last year? What is up with that?
Fans are tired of watching buy games like Ohio State vs. Alabama A&M?
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25. Dayton 17 220,012 12,941
26. Texas 17 218,082 12,828
27. Illinois 13 165,409 12,723
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Originally Posted by Hobopotamus1
Could someone educate me on why the NC State job is such a bottom-tier ACC position? Obviously, I understand that they have not been successful on the court of late, but what "structural" problems do they have? By that I mean are they underfunded, have terrible facilities, fan bases, etc.?
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The AD at NC State is bat**** crazy, but she's also retiring in the next year so that makes it a little better.
I wouldn't call it a bottom-tier job, but I'd call it one where the grass looks a lot greener prior to arrival. NC State is somewhat delusional. It's sort of like taking the head football coaching job at Purdue or Iowa and then being expected to perform at the level that Ohio State and Michigan do. Purdue and Iowa are decent football programs that have had success, but they're not Ohio State and Michigan. NC State is not Duke or UNC either. But, they think that they are, and whenever a coach falls short of that they want to run him out of town. Even if they happen to be that good for a season or two, they get frustrated when they stop falling short of that.
By no means do I think Herb Sendek is a great coach. But at the very least I believe him to be a decent coach. The year they fired him, NC State had made its fifth straight NCAA Tournament, and had also made the Round of 32. It was the fourth time in five years they've been past the first round. They still fired him. Any program that fires a coach after the team makes it to the Round of 32 is probably the kind of program you need to stop and think about. In fact no program that has ever done that has ended up better off. Minnesota fired Tubby Smith after he made the Round of 32, and Wake fired Dino Gaudio. What have either of those programs done since then?
I get why NC State is attractive. I'm not saying Archie Miller wouldn't be interested or wouldn't go. I'm just saying that it's a ROUGH job. My advice would be to not take it. He's going to have other opportunities, and almost all of them will be positions where he can be successful. Now having said that, he won't ask for my advice. He's been there, so he should know. They're nuts. They really are. Duke and North Carolina is the biggest rivalry, but as far as bitterness go I think they both actually hate NC State more because of the fans.
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I watched the NCState at Duke game that NCState won for like the first time since 1985 or something and couldn't believe how athletic NCState was...I mean, they are physical, quick, strong and can play well above the rim. They played motivated and confident. Their talent definitely doesn't reflect their record.
I've watched them twice since then and they play completely different. It's obvious that Gottfried has lost them...or they've turned him off. Why they'd turn off a coach that has gotten that school to the NCAA's so often is a HUGE issue for the next coach to consider.
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Some posters were calling for Archie's head in the middle of his third season.
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How soon we forget the 1-5 start in the A-10 when the screams for Archie's head and heads of anyone connected with his hiring was deafening. We are no different than fans from many other schools.
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NCSU is top eight in attendance.
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WAS top 8 in attendance last year. Before that they were usually in the low 20s, a few spots above Dayton.
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North Carolina State | 2007 | 16 | 16 | 240682 | 15042
North Carolina State | 2008 | 21 | 18 | 242206 | 13455
North Carolina State | 2009 | 24 | 17 | 224131 | 13184
North Carolina State | 2010 | 19 | 16 | 220457 | 13778
North Carolina State | 2011 | 20 | 19 | 257638 | 13559
North Carolina State | 2012 | 12 | 17 | 277087 | 16299
North Carolina State | 2013 | 25 | 19 | 240182 | 12641
North Carolina State | 2014 | 12 | 20 | 308726 | 15436
North Carolina State | 2015 | 8 | 18 | 301646 | 16758
They are currently averaging 15,813 for this year. With an OOC home schedule of Georgia Southern, St. Francis NY, Loyola Chicago, Boston University, Tennessee State (not at PNC Arena), Appalachian State, Fairfield, McNeese St and Rider. They played in the Paradise Jam, and had 1 true road game at Illinois. But, they are in the ACC, so all their "big" games are conference games.
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Dayton | 2007 | 27 | 18 | 224623 | 12479
Dayton | 2008 | 27 | 18 | 229768 | 12764
Dayton | 2009 | 28 | 18 | 220657 | 12258
Dayton | 2010 | 27 | 19 | 238778 | 12567
Dayton | 2011 | 28 | 18 | 218776 | 12154
Dayton | 2012 | 26 | 17 | 211446 | 12438
Dayton | 2013 | 28 | 17 | 209369 | 12315
Dayton | 2014 | 24 | 17 | 216203 | 12717
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How soon we forget the 1-5 start in the A-10 when the screams for Archie's head and heads of anyone connected with his hiring was deafening. We are no different than fans from many other schools.
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Debbie Yow does not retire for 2 1/2 years.
Why is NCSt not winning more? Same reason OSU, TX, BC, etc, etc are not. Some poor recruiting. Those type of schools are stuck between the one or two and done top schools and the players staying four years schools. They try to be a little of both and end up as neither. In NCSt's case there is a lack of coaching. Gottfried has terrible defensive teams and is unable to get his teams to play with great unity. He was fired at Alabama. Why did NCSt take him? They could not get their first choices, and like UD did with some of their coaches, they thought he was better than he is.
The pressure in Raleigh/Durham with two top10 coaches at the two peer schools is not about waiting till next year, or getting into the NCAA, it is about being Top 10 every year. If OSU was down here, Rat Face would be gone too. Either Archie will cherish that challenge and pressure, or he won't.
NCSt fans had a taste of it with Coach V, so they know it can be done. The support of that program is way bigger than Duke or UNC, because it is a bigger school, and is more of a middle class school.
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How soon we forget the 1-5 start in the A-10 when the screams for Archie's head and heads of anyone connected with his hiring was deafening. We are no different than fans from many other schools.
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I was hoping Archie remembered this. It had to be painful in the beginning of his tenure at UD. I think the administration was behind him, but many fans were not. Now everyone is behind him and the program. I hope he remembers how bad it can be because it makes his current situation worth staying for.
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How soon we forget the 1-5 start in the A-10 when the screams for Archie's head and heads of anyone connected with his hiring was deafening. We are no different than fans from many other schools.
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Plus we found out during that time, the university was negotiating a new contract with Archie
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How soon we forget the 1-5 start in the A-10 when the screams for Archie's head and heads of anyone connected with his hiring was deafening. We are no different than fans from many other schools.
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It was his third year, and they should've been better. Turns out they were. I don't think people were off their rockers for being concerned about a 1-5 start after a year with no postseason in Archie's third year.
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It was his third year, and they should've been better. Turns out they were. I don't think people were off their rockers for being concerned about a 1-5 start after a year with no postseason in Archie's third year.
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And it turned into the best season ever for any fan that started out watching the 84'-85' season and beyond.
I was *****ing too about that start. Turns out the administration was smarter then me, smarter then all of us.
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It was his third year, and they should've been better. Turns out they were. I don't think people were off their rockers for being concerned about a 1-5 start after a year with no postseason in Archie's third year.
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Gottfried 4 NCAAT in 6 years, 2 Sweet 16's...still fired...very concerning if I am a coach...2 bad back-to-back years, and you are canned.
AD retiring, but maybe they add another year(s) and more money onto the deal to compensate for that uncertainty.
NCSU has won multiple national championships, 1974 and 1983, so they have great tradition.
I am 50/50 as to whether Archie takes the NCSU job.
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Gottfried got fired because the program has gone downhill so fast. Yes, he went to 4 NCAA, but they were his first four years.
Losing record last year and 13th in ACC.
Losing record this year and bottom 3 of ACC again.
8-24 last 32 ACC games.
6 game losing streak right now, with the last 3 losses by 20+ points.
The team has quit on him this year. Nothing to indicate next year would be better. NC State fans may have unrealistic expectations, but right their team is a mess and Gottfried had to go.
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By no means do I think Herb Sendek is a great coach. But at the very least I believe him to be a decent coach. The year they fired him, NC State had made its fifth straight NCAA Tournament, and had also made the Round of 32. It was the fourth time in five years they've been past the first round. They still fired him. Any program that fires a coach after the team makes it to the Round of 32 is probably the kind of program you need to stop and think about. In fact no program that has ever done that has ended up better off. Minnesota fired Tubby Smith after he made the Round of 32, and Wake fired Dino Gaudio. What have either of those programs done since then?
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Herb Sendek was not fired from NC State. He left NC State for the Arizona State job. The fan base was certainly growing tired of Herb and his seat may have been getting hot (especially considering his 8-38 record against UNC and Duke), but he left Raleigh before he was fired.
Herb was fired last year from ASU and is now coaching at Santa Clara.
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and then there's Phil Martelli, highly respected coach of St Joseph's for over 21 seasons.
Things like that also happen.
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And it turned into the best season ever for any fan that started out watching the 84'-85' season and beyond.
I was *****ing too about that start. Turns out the administration was smarter then me, smarter then all of us.
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During Virginia v UNC game, Bilas was asked if he thinks Archie wants the NCState job. Bilas said, "Nope. Has a better job in Dayton"
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I would submit that it went way beyond being "concerned". Lucky that the Admin was not swayed in the least by the "concern". They knew what they were doing, the fans not so much.
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I could be wrong, but I do not recall being on Archie's case, I recall others being on his case though. Year 3 was way too early to jump down his throat IMO. Look how much rope was given to BG.
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The pressure in Raleigh/Durham with two top10 coaches at the two peer schools is not about waiting till next year, or getting into the NCAA, it is about being Top 10 every year. If OSU was down here, Rat Face would be gone too. Either Archie will cherish that challenge and pressure, or he won't.
NCSt fans had a taste of it with Coach V, so they know it can be done. The support of that program is way bigger than Duke or UNC, because it is a bigger school, and is more of a middle class school.
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UNC outdraws NC State.
Rat Face would have been fired at NC State? I am very skeptical.
Rat Face at OSU: A runner-up finish, a Final 4, an Elite 8, 2 Sweet 16's, 4 other NCAAT appearances, a NIT title, and another NIT appearance, that is pretty dog gone good.
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I am not talking about average attendance. I mean total support, as in alumni and number of people in the area who support NCST. I see much more NCSt gear by far than UNC, and only some Duke gear.
As to Rat Face that was my point, pretty good record, but NCSt wants more than that.
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i am not a huge Coach Cal fan, but I love what John Calipari said about the NC St situation...
“We’re firing coaches in midseason. Are you s—ing me?” Calipari said. “We’re firing coaches in midseason. You know what I’m putting my contract? You can fire me at midseason but you’re going to have to pay me $3 million. Oh, you’ll let me stay now, won’t you? … Every coach in the country, put it in your contract.”
This is why good coaches will avoid the NC State.
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Originally Posted by Windy City Flyer
i am not a huge Coach Cal fan, but I love what John Calipari said about the NC St situation...
“We’re firing coaches in midseason. Are you s—ing me?” Calipari said. “We’re firing coaches in midseason. You know what I’m putting my contract? You can fire me at midseason but you’re going to have to pay me $3 million. Oh, you’ll let me stay now, won’t you? … Every coach in the country, put it in your contract.”
This is why good coaches will avoid the NC State.
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I have a feeling (not actual knowledge, but just a feeling) that NC State knows who they want the next coach to be and are fairly certain (for whatever reason) that they'll end up getting them. And, they may be be right.
I don't know who, but based on how they've been handling this I'm guessing they're pretty sure as to what they're going to do next. Then again, it is NC State, so maybe not.
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Originally Posted by jack72
I am not talking about average attendance. I mean total support, as in alumni and number of people in the area who support NCST. I see much more NCSt gear by far than UNC, and only some Duke gear.
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With all due respect, your post does not make any sense.
If NC State has more fans than UNC, then how comes UNC out draws NC State? Why don't more NC State fans go to their games then?
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Originally Posted by xubrew
I have a feeling (not actual knowledge, but just a feeling) that NC State knows who they want the next coach to be and are fairly certain (for whatever reason) that they'll end up getting them. And, they may be be right.
I don't know who, but based on how they've been handling this I'm guessing they're pretty sure as to what they're going to do next. Then again, it is NC State, so maybe not.
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Originally Posted by ud2
With all due respect, your post does not make any sense.
If NC State has more fans than UNC, then how comes UNC out draws NC State? Why don't more NC State fans go to their games then?
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Maybe it's a situation similar to the one about a decade ago, some 50 miles south of UD Arena. UC alumni & fans outnumber _avier alumni & fans probably 4-1, or even 5-1. But _avier has had sustained success for over 2 decades, while UC fired a very popular & successful coach (though don't count me among his fans), and went through a period of transition after that. During that transition period, UC's average attendance fell by about a third, to levels well below those of _avier.
Don't get me wrong. I'm certainly not trying to say that _avier's program is the equivalent of UNC's (few programs are). I'm simply saying that a large number of graduates from a given school does not equate to a rabid fan base for that school. Heck, the Dayton area alone (measuring UD grads vs. WSU grads) should tell that tale.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
Maybe it's a situation similar to the one about a decade ago, some 50 miles south of UD Arena. UC alumni & fans outnumber _avier alumni & fans probably 4-1, or even 5-1. But _avier has had sustained success for over 2 decades, while UC fired a very popular & successful coach (though don't count me among his fans), and went through a period of transition after that. During that transition period, UC's average attendance fell by about a third, to levels well below those of _avier.
Don't get me wrong. I'm certainly not trying to say that _avier's program is the equivalent of UNC's (few programs are). I'm simply saying that a large number of graduates from a given school does not equate to a rabid fan base for that school. Heck, the Dayton area alone (measuring UD grads vs. WSU grads) should tell that tale.
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Agree...they have been down, per their standards, for a long while now, so maybe their attendance would go up if they did better consistently ...UNC is seemingly always near the top, so it is easy for UNC to always draw well.
It is easy to be a Steelers, Yankees, Red Wings, or Lakers fan. Not so easy to be a Bengals/Browns, Mariners, Blue Jackets, or Bucks fan.
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Originally Posted by ud2
With all due respect, your post does not make any sense.
If NC State has more fans than UNC, then how comes UNC out draws NC State? Why don't more NC State fans go to their games then?
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I wouldn't let the "he sees" more NC State gear than NC sway anyone. Even in the internet circle, I've read multiple times that NC has the absolute largest fanbase/message board members on the Scout.com message boards than any other NCAA BB team in America and in the top 3-4 overall of all NCAA sports.
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Originally Posted by Windy City Flyer
i am not a huge Coach Cal fan, but I love what John Calipari said about the NC St situation...
“We’re firing coaches in midseason. Are you s—ing me?” Calipari said. “We’re firing coaches in midseason. You know what I’m putting my contract? You can fire me at midseason but you’re going to have to pay me $3 million. Oh, you’ll let me stay now, won’t you? … Every coach in the country, put it in your contract.”
This is why good coaches will avoid the NC State.
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Driving home from my job in the northern Cincy suburbs to my house in the south dayton suburbs, I listen to parts of the John Calipari radio call in show a handful of times a year, or I guess I listen to John's opening monologue, steaming thought part a handful of times a year. As much as I despise the guy for the whole Alex Carmona fiasco, I give the guy credit for actually having a somewhat insightful, interesting, "wow I could use to that philosophy for my youth coaching experience" message just about every time I listen. Most coaches are buttoned up and say a lot w/o really saying anything. Seems like John takes as much blame as he can for losses, but frames it in a way that provides insight on why the problem was happening. Its pretty easy to see why he gets a roster of McDonald All American, 1 and done players each season and why he generally gets them to buy into the message and play as a team rather than a collection of talent.
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Originally Posted by ud2
With all due respect, your post does not make any sense.
If NC State has more fans than UNC, then how comes UNC out draws NC State? Why don't more NC State fans go to their games then?
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The same reason many huge schools, like TX, OSU and UofI, do not outdraw Dayton. You have to win. You made the posting on attendance. UNC outdraws NCSt by 1,500, and NCSt is #8 in the nation in attendance. With a winning team like UNC they would fill that 20,000 seat place.
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Interesting read on the NCSt job. It is not written by a NCSt alumnus or fan.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...133719724.html
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guy makes you believe its not about the job, its about the coach. And then ranks NC State in the 2nd tier at the end.
Don't get it.
It is about the coach. But it took Coach K awhile to build it at Duke. He wouldn't get the chance in todays environment. It was his 5th season before he won a tournament game.
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Two things.
1. Cal, it shouldn't be about you or the other the other coaches. It should be the players. They are the only ones that should come into consideration. The coaches will get their bucks no matter when they are fired. These players are in school 4/5 years at most. This is what is most wrong about college sports today. It is less about the players and more about the coaches. Probably in bball even more any every other sport.
2. The taker of the job is the one that decides whether it is a good job or a bad job or a top 5 job etc. Many people in many different professions stay (or switch jobs) because of the work environment, the geographic location, the product, etc. It is not always about more money or being at the very top. Maybe they get more satisfaction out of moving from an afterthought (in whatever business) to the top tier, even if it is not the very top.
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Archie doesn't strike me as a guy out looking for a big pay check. Seems more likely that he wants to be in a position to win championships. I'm betting he'll be looking for a situation like his brothers. Solid fan base, solid program, in a competitive but winnable league, and a program that gives you a shot at a National Title. Not saying that UD can't do it, but the Flyers aren't there yet. The Gonzaga, Wichita State, or Butler (previously) model is fairly rare and hasn't actually delivered a championship to any of those programs. I think the NC State job would likely appeal to him given his competitive nature and history with the program. The difficulty comes in just how stacked the ACC is. You can enjoy the same post-season success that NC State has had in recent times, without the headache of uncertainty about your job simply because you had an off year. Think about everything that's happened at UD with injuries, the loss of Steve, player issues, and transfers. Probably cost another Sweet Sixteen or better simply because of the eye test resulting in tough seeding and not too mention just not having enough guys to make the run. At NC State evidently that gets you fired. OSU or Indiana opening up are a bit more problematic IMO.
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OSU or Indiana opening up are a bit more problematic IMO.
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NCSU tried to hire Mick Cronin 6 years ago but then lowballed him on the offer (less than he was making at UC).
There are letting Yow make the hire and then she will retire. What's up with that?
It is a mess. If Archie goes is will be simply because he is an alum and wants the job.
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One of the announcers said that when he was considering going back into coaching, Rick M told him it don't matter what league you are in so long as you are a top tier 1,2,3 team consistently in that league. If you are you will get into the NCAA more often than not and if you stay show loyalty and build your program you will get the better players (see Brad Stevens).
He went on to add that Archie already had a better job than NCSt.
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I heard Mark Adams say UD was a better job than NCst. too. With the asterisk that only because Archie has built the program to its current point. By the same token he could make NCst. a top ten program. Then which is better. It's the coach making the program in this case. I know, I'll try to keep it quiet
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How much longer does Ollie last at UConn with lackluster results in a historically top tier program? They should be dominating that conference.
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He would actually be my top choice. I'd actually pick him over Archie Miller. Now, with that being said, if it is Archie Miller (or if he goes to Ohio State or Indiana), Dayton should go after Keatts, and if they get him then they won't miss a beat and may actually end up even better off.
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With all due respect, your post does not make any sense.
If NC State has more fans than UNC, then how comes UNC out draws NC State? Why don't more NC State fans go to their games then?
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UNC has a bigger arena than NC State. It seats roughly 2000 more people. It's no coincidence that's about how many more fans that they average.
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How much longer does Ollie last at UConn with lackluster results in a historically top tier program? They should be dominating that conference.
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He won a national championship three years ago, and UConn was 25-11 with a win in the NCAA Tournament last season before losing to 1 seed Kansas. I don't know if that qualifies as lackluster results just yet...
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Originally Posted by xubrew
...... Now, with that being said, if it is Archie Miller (or if he goes to Ohio State or Indiana), Dayton should go after Keatts, and if they get him then they won't miss a beat and may actually end up even better off.
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Xubrew is correct. Keats is going to be a steal for someone. His defense has been lacking but as assistant coach for Pitino you have to assume that will improve.
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
He won a national championship three years ago, and UConn was 25-11 with a win in the NCAA Tournament last season before losing to 1 seed Kansas. I don't know if that qualifies as lackluster results just yet...
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No doubt. But three years removed from the NC and plodding along in the American (7th, 3rd, 5th, 6th). He's got at Houston, and games at ranked SMU and UC to go, so it looks like more of the same. Going to make for a hot seat. It wasn't that long ago that the Huskies used to just reload with more NBA talent and dominate the Big East.
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No doubt. But three years removed from the NC and plodding along in the American (7th, 3rd, 5th, 6th). He's got at Houston, and games at ranked SMU and UC to go, so it looks like more of the same. Going to make for a hot seat. It wasn't that long ago that the Huskies used to just reload with more NBA talent and dominate the Big East.
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It's two years removed actually (won it in 2014) as this is year 3 and they won 25 games last year and lost to #1 Kansas in NCAA. I guess it's not that crappy of a league and they should not actually be dominating it since you are saying just how difficult these next 3 games will be..Ollie ain't going anywhere...
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It's two years removed actually (won it in 2014) as this is year 3 and they won 25 games last year and lost to #1 Kansas in NCAA. I guess it's not that crappy of a league and they should not actually be dominating it since you are saying just how difficult these next 3 games will be..Ollie ain't going anywhere...
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I don't think he is going anywhere just yet either but believe me from someone who is in this area there is definitely heat on him from the alumni.
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I wasn't thinking about this year because I honestly don't think Archie is going anywhere. I'm looking at the following year. How long does UConn overlook 5th and 6th place finishes in the American? NIT bound this year (or worse). That is a marque job that Archie would not pass up.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
I don't think he is going anywhere just yet either but believe me from someone who is in this area there is definitely heat on him from the alumni.
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That's hilarious. Just another reason to be cautious about taking a "power school" (or former/perceived power school) head coaching job in this day and age...
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
I don't think he is going anywhere just yet either but believe me from someone who is in this area there is definitely heat on him from the alumni.
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And a large part of this is just typical rhetoric from the "now" crowd that most schools are facing. Losing upperclassmen, injuries to players, guys leaving early, etc. is simply no excuse in their minds. They see KY doing it and think everyone should...No more rebuilding...
I'd worry far more about important alumni/big donors funding endowments and other school projects....
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And a large part of this is just typical rhetoric from the "now" crowd that most schools are facing. Losing upperclassmen, injuries to players, guys leaving early, etc. is simply no excuse in their minds. They see KY doing it and think everyone should...No more rebuilding...
I'd worry far more about important alumni/big donors funding endowments and other school projects....
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Unfortunately for Ollie it is some of the big donors that are getting impatient. The one major thing he has going for him is that he was basically hand selected by Calhoun who is basically god to that university so unless he says its time for a change, Ollie will probably be OK.
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I think Matta is safe and his recruiting will be the saving grace. Had Russell not bolted after his freshman year, he'd be a junior now on a Top 10 team. And this year's freshman class was so deep and talented that all but one sophomore transferred out. The only way Matta leaves would be his health...which has stabilized. My royal prediction...despite what I've been told internally , Archie is here at least 2 more seasons.
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I read some stuff about Ollie somewhere, he has a very good reputation as a person and is well-respected by many.
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King Rollo is talking to himself again...
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Nothing wrong with talking with oneself, heck I do it often when I want a really intelligent conversation
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Before you read the article on Morgan giving a NCSt sign, flip down the page to comments. I have lived and visited many places, and this by far is the biggest piece of crap newspaper I have seen. Everyday is more distorted stories.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...133861524.html
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Before you read the article on Morgan giving a NCSt sign, flip down the page to comments. I have lived and visited many places, and this by far is the biggest piece of crap newspaper I have seen. Everyday is more distorted stories.
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She followed that up with this tweet and included a picture of her in a UD hat:
"It has been a great trip to Tucson. But, it is time to get home to my boys and the best fans in the land!"
And then sent out this tweet this evening:
"It's all fun and games until someone doesn't get the sarcasm"
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I saw her tweet this morning and didn't post it because I kind of felt she was just trolling the whole situation which it appears was exactly what she was doing.
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Matta IS 100% safe to coach another year. Been told that by people pretty close at OSU. Correct on his health as that will dictate when he leaves unless they have a very similar year next year and then the Admin. will "suggest" he step down to potentially avoid more drastic measures.
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People close to the situation like to tell me stuff. I don't go sniffing any more...Unlike 3-4 years ago, I'm just a casual fan enjoying the ride. But everyone needs an outlet for their secrets...and for some reason it's me!
Regardless, I expect Archie to be around a while.
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Before you read the article on Morgan giving a NCSt sign, flip down the page to comments. I have lived and visited many places, and this by far is the biggest piece of crap newspaper I have seen. Everyday is more distorted stories.
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I don't go sniffing any more...Unlike 3-4 years ago, I'm just a casual fan enjoying the ride
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Unlike 3-4 years ago, when you were actively campaigning on here against Archie. Lol. Sorry, I had to.
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I was never anti-Archie...I was anti-cover up
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Unlike 3-4 years ago, when you were actively campaigning on here against Archie. Lol. Sorry, I had to.
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He adjusted his ways...so he can stay!
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Only hand sign I know is the anti-establishment hand sign
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I think some of the NCSt media has come to realize that Archie is a pipe dream, so they are now on Will Wade. Nice story on Will and good pub for the A10. Love that they say that Will is affordable because he only makes $1.6 million. Remember when great veteran coaches made that.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...134545714.html
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Originally Posted by jack72
I think some of the NCSt media has come to realize that Archie is a pipe dream, so they are now on Will Wade. Nice story on Will and good pub for the A10. Love that they say that Will is affordable because he only makes $1.6 million. Remember when great veteran coaches made that.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...134545714.html
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Hard to say if Archie's a pipe dream or he's just not giving NCST the exact answer
or inclination at this time.We'll never know the follow-ups/leaks from the camps of
both Wade and Archie but it's good for the conference and, as you indicate, maybe
even better for Dayton..........
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Originally Posted by jack72
I think some of the NCSt media has come to realize that Archie is a pipe dream, so they are now on Will Wade. Nice story on Will and good pub for the A10. Love that they say that Will is affordable because he only makes $1.6 million. Remember when great veteran coaches made that.
http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/c...134545714.html
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That comment section is "interesting" to say the least. Welcome to North Carolina!
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Wade has two four star and two highly touted three star recruits coming in next season. If we believe we have much talent coming in next fall, what does the VCU staff think about their future?
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In Pat Forde's weekly college basketball article he discussed some coaching openings and of course discussed the NC State opening and several candidates including Archie. The paragraph about Archie is below and is the standard take most national writers have taken. The only thing I had never seen before is the sentence in BOLD below. I wonder what Forde is trying to hint at there.
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As for what is to come next: Dayton’s Archie Miller already has had his name bandied about plenty, which makes sense as an alum who has done great work at Dayton. The school will clearly seek to engage him in discussion, but it’s expected that this search will go beyond Miller for multiple reasons. Miller may have concerns about working under athletic director Debbie Yow and her unknown successor – she’s expected to retire in two years. On the other side of the equation, at least one power program did its due diligence on Miller a couple of years ago and decided against pursuing him. What appears to be a natural fit on paper doesn’t mean it’s inevitable
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I think their due diligence revealed that he was earning a LOT more at Dayton than Florida thought, and that they couldn't afford him at that point in time.
However the way this is written gives the impression that there was some negative about Archie. Perhaps this is the way Florida worded their explanation of the coaching search.
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Originally Posted by C-time
In Pat Forde's weekly college basketball article he discussed some coaching openings and of course discussed the NC State opening and several candidates including Archie. The paragraph about Archie is below and is the standard take most national writers have taken. The only thing I had never seen before is the sentence in BOLD below. I wonder what Forde is trying to hint at there.
From the article:
As for what is to come next: Dayton’s Archie Miller already has had his name bandied about plenty, which makes sense as an alum who has done great work at Dayton. The school will clearly seek to engage him in discussion, but it’s expected that this search will go beyond Miller for multiple reasons. Miller may have concerns about working under athletic director Debbie Yow and her unknown successor – she’s expected to retire in two years. On the other side of the equation, at least one power program did its due diligence on Miller a couple of years ago and decided against pursuing him. What appears to be a natural fit on paper doesn’t mean it’s inevitable
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I think he means Florida. I heard from multiple people that Archie did have interest in Florida and was the first real time he considered leaving. From what I heard, it had more to do with money. They just paid a huge buyout for their football coach and Archie would have been another big buyout.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I think he means Florida. I heard from multiple people that Archie did have interest in Florida and was the first real time he considered leaving. From what I heard, it had more to do with money. They just paid a huge buyout for their football coach and Archie would have been another big buyout.
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That was the school I thought of, but the way Forde wrote that sentence it made it seem to me like they chose not to pursue Archie for some nefarious reason. Maybe it was just the buyout like you said. The only other thing I could think of was that they possibly didn't like some of the discipline problems that had happened at UD.
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They were up late in NC watching the Flyers. This was posted after our win, shortly after midnight. http://www.newsobserver.com/sports/s...134931969.html
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This is the naive part of me...
Why can't coaches just say..."I don't want your job...please keep my name off your short list."
I just don't understand it. If you don't want to leave a school right now...just friggin say so. You don't have to be that straightforward but for crying out loud, why is it so hard for a coach to go all Nancy Reagan and "Just Say No"?
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Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2
This is the naive part of me...
Why can't coaches just say..."I don't want your job...please keep my name off your short list."
I just don't understand it. If you don't want to leave a school right now...just friggin say so. You don't have to be that straightforward but for crying out loud, why is it so hard for a coach to go all Nancy Reagan and "Just Say No"?
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I sometimes work with recruiting firms (not as one of them) & in the "real world" part of it is that a candidate does not want to alienate future opportunities. It's about networking. If you don't act respectfully & keep the lines of communication open, when you need that next job you may not hear from them.
Now MBB head coaches are a unique market. If Archie had an agent, I'd presume his agent would be handling all these inquiries for him. I've heard from this board he does not- so I think he's managing the press quite well on his own.
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I get what you're saying about future opportunities...but at some point you need to reassure your current employer that you aren't actively pursuing other jobs.
Again, my naivete, but sometimes the people paying you need to be acknowledged too. Not to mention, the current players as well as those recruits in the pipeline who need to know that the coach recruiting them is committed to the team.
Going further, I can only see one good reason for not just quelling all the speculation. As long as your players know you aren't going anywhere, the more you are in the news, the better PR for your current school.
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Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2
I get what you're saying about future opportunities...but at some point you need to reassure your current employer that you aren't actively pursuing other jobs.
Again, my naivete, but sometimes the people paying you need to be acknowledged too. Not to mention, the current players as well as those recruits in the pipeline who need to know that the coach recruiting them is committed to the team.
Going further, I can only see one good reason for not just quelling all the speculation. As long as your players know you aren't going anywhere, the more you are in the news, the better PR for your current school.
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Arch is a class act. UD took a chance on him when they hired him. He respects that and isn't going to do anything to damage that relationship. His mindset is to focus on the season not coaching rumors. Let's face it any job that opens out over the next few weeks is going to have his name on it for a Power 5 job. Among coaching circles, NC St is damaged goods. the current AD mishandled the last hire. Hell they fired Gotfried -who had done a respectable job- with a good portion of the season to go. Worst yet they fired him with the season still going on. Makes me wonder if there is other stuff we don't know about yet. Arch is just respecting UD, his players and recruits the right way. You flat out don't touch or feed any speculation until the season is over.
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At the Davidson game, some guy near me in an NC State shirt had his wife take a picture of him holding a sign that said "Archie Come Home". I took note of it, but ultimately ignored it, which is exactly what I hope Archie keeps doing.
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I firmly believe that Neil Sullivan already knows if Archie has any interest in NC State. Maybe I am naive, but because of their solid relationship and Archie's genuine appreciation of all that has been done for him and his program, Archie will be candid with Neil about this or any other position for which he is rumored.
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I'll repeat. With this 6 man class to be available to play next fall, Archie is NOT leaving. He'd be out of his mind.
When Duke,Kentucky,Kansas,North Carolina or Michigan State come calling I'm sure he'd leave and we can't blame him for that.
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
I'll repeat. With this 6 man class to be available to play next fall, Archie is NOT leaving. He'd be out of his mind.
When Duke,Kentucky,Kansas,North Carolina or Michigan State come calling I'm sure he'd leave and we can't blame him for that.
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I know it's hard for many to understand - but you really can:
1. Respect and like Archie as a coach; and
2. Be a UD supporter; and
3. Think he will leave UD for a number of P5 schools.
Please - you don't go straight from Dayton/A10 (with it's current membership) to any of the blue bloods you mentioned.
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Originally Posted by 312to937
Please - you don't go straight from Dayton/A10 (with it's current membership) to any of the blue bloods you mentioned.
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Really?
Izzo- No head coaching experience when hired at Mich St.
Coach K- Army to Duke
Calipari- Memphis State to Kentucky
So 3 of the 5 mentioned came from comparable or lower programs than Dayton. Archie is a special coach, and any AD at any level who does not recognize what they could be getting in Archie is crazy. Having said that, leave Archie alone as he is not going anywhere!
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Really?
Izzo- No head coaching experience when hired at Mich St.
Coach K- Army to Duke
Calipari- Memphis State to Kentucky
So 3 of the 5 mentioned came from comparable or lower programs than Dayton. Archie is a special coach, and any AD at any level who does not recognize what they could be getting in Archie is crazy. Having said that, leave Archie alone as he is not going anywhere!
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Overall point is well taken but when Callipari left Memphis he had been an assistant at Kansas and Pitt, had two stints in the NBA, coached a UMass team that won several tourney games and was a top ten program, made 5 elite 8s and two final 4s. Can't judge the Memphis and Umass jobs by what they are today as opposed to where they were when he left. Duke was horrible when K came there and I'm guessing the Bobby Knight recommendation helped a bit as well.
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
I'll repeat. With this 6 man class to be available to play next fall, Archie is NOT leaving. He'd be out of his mind.
When Duke,Kentucky,Kansas,North Carolina or Michigan State come calling I'm sure he'd leave and we can't blame him for that.
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On top of that NCST has little coming back. There is rumor of a couple kids transferring, and that great freshman will turn pro. They could be left with five returning players, and at this point one HS signee. Who wants to walk into that?
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Originally Posted by udflyerhoops2
I get what you're saying about future opportunities...but at some point you need to reassure your current employer that you aren't actively pursuing other jobs.
Again, my naivete, but sometimes the people paying you need to be acknowledged too. Not to mention, the current players as well as those recruits in the pipeline who need to know that the coach recruiting them is committed to the team.
Going further, I can only see one good reason for not just quelling all the speculation. As long as your players know you aren't going anywhere, the more you are in the news, the better PR for your current school.
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IMO, if you are the coach, you do not do the above because a job may open up that you are really interested in.
If Archie has a couple bad years at UD, then he is on the hot seat. If you are the coach, you have to strike while the iron is hot. No coach stays hot forever, if Archie has one or two bad years, then he loses his hotness, and all these job offers dry up.
The coach always has to do what is in his best interests.
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Originally Posted by Windy City Flyer
Among coaching circles, NC St is damaged goods. the current AD mishandled the last hire.
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I never heard that, what happened?
Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
Really?
Izzo- No head coaching experience when hired at Mich St.
Coach K- Army to Duke
Calipari- Memphis State to Kentucky
So 3 of the 5 mentioned came from comparable or lower programs than Dayton. Archie is a special coach, and any AD at any level who does not recognize what they could be getting in Archie is crazy. Having said that, leave Archie alone as he is not going anywhere!
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Duke was down when Coach K was hired.
Memphis State was good under Calipari, and Memphis State has always been pretty good, or they have at least been good for a long while now.
Wasn't Izzo the hand-picked successor that Jud Heathcote chose to succeed him? I think Izzo was a MSU assistant coach to Heathcote before he got the MSU job.
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Originally Posted by ud2
IMO, if you are the coach, you do not do the above because a job may open up that you are really interested in.
If Archie has a couple bad years at UD, then he is on the hot seat. If you are the coach, you have to strike while the iron is hot. No coach stays hot forever, if Archie has one or two bad years, then he loses his hotness, and all these job offers dry up.
The coach always has to do what is in his best interests.
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Archie can stay at UD as long as he wants. He would have to have a disastrous string of bad things happen to be fired. I think he knows this and is content making almost $3mil a year in Dayton, OH. He can set his family up for life and live extravagantly.
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