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Anyone seen the story on Huggins interview with Bill Cunningham? Apparently Bill asked him about an incident during the Cross Town Shootout in which Xavier fans threw sex toys onto the court. Huggins used a homophopic slur to describe the Xavier fans. West Virginia is investigating.
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2
Anyone seen the story on Huggins interview with Bill Cunningham? Apparently Bill asked him about an incident during the Cross Town Shootout in which Xavier fans threw sex toys onto the court. Huggins used a homophopic slur to describe the Xavier fans. West Virginia is investigating.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/08/s...ati-radio.html
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I was listening when it happened. He said the slur twice. I was thinking, “oh man, Huggy. This is 2023 ya can’t say that anymore.”
Hugs is an old school guy, but the cancel culture of today will target him. Tony Kornheiser on the ESPN show, PTI, was already suggesting today he should resign.
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This isn’t cancel culture stuff. He called them f*gs, and then modified it to Catholic f*gs. That’s unacceptable. Period. He should have been fired years ago for showing up at post game interviews smelling like alcohol. It’s pathetic that anyone would still employ him.
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They don't need to "investigate", just listen to the tape of the show, and make a decsion. Too bad he couldn't call out the Xavier fans without using a slur.
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People are apparently going after Cunningham, too, for airing it. You would have thought someone would have hit the kill switch.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
This isn’t cancel culture stuff. He called them f*gs, and then modified it to Catholic f*gs. That’s unacceptable. Period. He should have been fired years ago for showing up at post game interviews smelling like alcohol. It’s pathetic that anyone would still employ him.
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Language like that was much more common, back in the day. Even Michael Wilbon on the PTI show I referenced talked about how “ we all used to use language like that, but it became unacceptable a long time ago.”
If you don’t think it was used commonly back in the day, listen to the famous Thanksgiving song, “Alice’s Restaurant,” by Arlo Guthrie, very much a leftist folk singer back in the 70s. Near the end of the song when he’s encouraging everyone to join in the chorus, he says. “If 2 people sing it, they may think they’re both *****ts.” That was from a hero of the hippie crowd.
Times change. I’m not justifying Huggins remarks whatsoever. I’m just saying he hasn’t adjusted with times and I’d bet he meant no harm.
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I don't look for much to happen. It was a slur against Catholics, not a protected class.
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I watched PTI also and I was surprised that Huggy is the winningest active coach in basketball. Also I agree that Bill Cunningham could have hit the dump button and kept those words off of the air.
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2
Anyone seen the story on Huggins interview with Bill Cunningham? Apparently Bill asked him about an incident during the Cross Town Shootout in which Xavier fans threw sex toys onto the court. Huggins used a homophopic slur to describe the Xavier fans. West Virginia is investigating.
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/08/s...ati-radio.html
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He'll just admit he's "off the wagon"... do some rehab, and be back before the season starts.
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Originally Posted by Southwest
Language like that was much more common, back in the day. Even Michael Wilbon on the PTI show I referenced talked about how “ we all used to use language like that, but it became unacceptable a long time ago.”
If you don’t think it was used commonly back in the day, listen to the famous Thanksgiving song, “Alice’s Restaurant,” by Arlo Guthrie, very much a leftist folk singer back in the 70s. Near the end of the song when he’s encouraging everyone to join in the chorus, he says. “If 2 people sing it, they may think they’re both *****ts.” That was from a hero of the hippie crowd.
Times change. I’m not justifying Huggins remarks whatsoever. I’m just saying he hasn’t adjusted with times and I’d bet he meant no harm.
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I got to hang out with a guy who rode his motorcycle with Arlo in Connecticut. He was a really good dude. Interesting side note, the guy lived in the same town as Jack Ruby’s significant other. Crazy town.
I don’t doubt that things change over time. I’m just saying that it’s not part of some cancel culture crap. Huggins is not a good guy. What he said was wrong. It’s been wrong for a long time.
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He'll just admit he's "off the wagon"... do some rehab, and be back before the season starts.
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I am not so sure about that, I can easily see him getting fired over this. Former Cincinnati Reds tv/radio broadcast play-by-play man Thom Brennaman, Marty's son, was fired for basically saying the same thing on the air.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I am not so sure about that, I can easily see him getting fired over this. Former Cincinnati Reds tv/radio broadcast play-by-play man Thom Brennaman, Marty's son, was fired for basically saying the same thing on the air.
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He had Thom come talk to the team about accountability!
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My son just had me listen to a sports announcer who said "that guy must be out of his cotton-picking mind!!" He was shocked and asked how the guy could have NOT known that was a bad time to use the phrase, when talking about a black player.
He couldn't get it through his head that it was just a phrase we used for our entire lives and didn't think about any relationship to cotton. So I explained to him, "imagine if 20 years from now the progressive left convinces people that the word 'jail' is deeply racist. And then imagine you off-handedly said 'that guy should go to jail for that foul.' "
The word "jail" is just so incredibly common in your vernacular, it could easily slip out if the left adds it to the banned words list.
Hugs used that word for 50+ years and never thought anything about it. Now he needs to. 20 year olds have no conception of grace . . . sorry . . . no conception of how that word could be used so casually.
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Originally Posted by UDEE79
I watched PTI also and I was surprised that Huggy is the winningest active coach in basketball. Also I agree that Bill Cunningham could have hit the dump button and kept those words off of the air.
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Letting a guy commit professional suicide on air is free advertising. he had to let it air to get attention to his own show . . .
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
Hugs used that word for 50+ years and never thought anything about it. Now he needs to. 20 year olds have no conception of grace . . . sorry . . . no conception of how that word could be used so casually.
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This wasn't the case where a guy said something, caught the error, and immediately apologized. He used it casually twice in a context that would be pretty derogatory even if he had used a different word. It was in poor taste and offensive, full stop. I'm glad we now live in a society that has decided casual derogatory comments about the LGBTQ community is inappropriate. Treating people with respect is free and also a pretty low bar to set as an organization.
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A lot of people walking around these days with thin skin. I wonder who I just offended?…
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
My son just had me listen to a sports announcer who said "that guy must be out of his cotton-picking mind!!" He was shocked and asked how the guy could have NOT known that was a bad time to use the phrase, when talking about a black player.
He couldn't get it through his head that it was just a phrase we used for our entire lives and didn't think about any relationship to cotton. So I explained to him, "imagine if 20 years from now the progressive left convinces people that the word 'jail' is deeply racist. And then imagine you off-handedly said 'that guy should go to jail for that foul.' "
The word "jail" is just so incredibly common in your vernacular, it could easily slip out if the left adds it to the banned words list.
Hugs used that word for 50+ years and never thought anything about it. Now he needs to. 20 year olds have no conception of grace . . . sorry . . . no conception of how that word could be used so casually.
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I would completely agree if someone played a clip where he used the word 25 years ago. But he doubled down and said it a second time on the radio recently. He's a guy that has traditionally liked to say things to poke people. It wasn't a mental flashback slip of the tongue.
Accountability for using the word now vs. when the word was deemed acceptable by most shouldn't be conflated. There is a HUGE difference between between the two.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
My son just had me listen to a sports announcer who said "that guy must be out of his cotton-picking mind!!" He was shocked and asked how the guy could have NOT known that was a bad time to use the phrase, when talking about a black player.
He couldn't get it through his head that it was just a phrase we used for our entire lives and didn't think about any relationship to cotton. So I explained to him, "imagine if 20 years from now the progressive left convinces people that the word 'jail' is deeply racist. And then imagine you off-handedly said 'that guy should go to jail for that foul.' "
The word "jail" is just so incredibly common in your vernacular, it could easily slip out if the left adds it to the banned words list.
Hugs used that word for 50+ years and never thought anything about it. Now he needs to. 20 year olds have no conception of grace . . . sorry . . . no conception of how that word could be used so casually.
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You can’t seriously be suggesting that Huggins thought it was OK to call them f*gs and Catholic f*gs. It is nothing at all like saying “cotton picking mind.” Huggins is the one that lacks all grace.
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Cunninham didn't hit the kill switch because of the old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity. He knows what he is doing. Cunningham is a lot of things and stupid isn't one of them.
As for the F word, yes it was not taboo until recently, but as those of us who have around awhile may have noticed, times change. You can keep up or fall behind.
As for the F word, the etymology as a slur against homosexuals is tied to the burning of witches. They would build a pyre for the witch, and then tie the arms and legs of the suspected homosexuals and throw them on the fire with the other faggots- as in bundles of wood.
We have free speech so it's up to you as to whether or not you want to continue using it, but that is what you are referencing and dredging up when you do. I am protestant but my faith's past of burning witches and homosexuals is not a part of it's history that I want to reference.
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As Catholics we are now considered dangerous extremists so nothing is going to come of that, and if there is anywhere in America you can get a pass on the other slur, I am guessing West Virginia might be the place. We'll see what happens, I know people in California will be demanding his firing but for West Virginians that might just turn the tide the other way.
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They’re reporting a salary reduction of $1,000,000 this year, a suspension, and sensitivity training. I think it’s fair.
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They’re reporting a salary reduction of $1,000,000 this year, a suspension, and sensitivity training. I think it’s fair.
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I agree that seems reasonable. I wish there were such a thing as "de-sensitivity" training. I think it would be just as valuable as the sensitivity training to society. That is an unrelated comment, I am in no way trying to minimize what Huggins said.
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Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86
This wasn't the case where a guy said something, caught the error, and immediately apologized. He used it casually twice in a context that would be pretty derogatory even if he had used a different word. It was in poor taste and offensive, full stop. I'm glad we now live in a society that has decided casual derogatory comments about the LGBTQ community is inappropriate. Treating people with respect is free and also a pretty low bar to set as an organization.
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Originally Posted by Bucketnight
I would completely agree if someone played a clip where he used the word 25 years ago. But he doubled down and said it a second time on the radio recently. He's a guy that has traditionally liked to say things to poke people. It wasn't a mental flashback slip of the tongue.
Accountability for using the word now vs. when the word was deemed acceptable by most shouldn't be conflated. There is a HUGE difference between between the two.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
You can’t seriously be suggesting that Huggins thought it was OK to call them f*gs and Catholic f*gs. It is nothing at all like saying “cotton picking mind.” Huggins is the one that lacks all grace.
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If y'all are seriously suggesting that Huggins - who I detest - seriously just attempted and failed to commit career suicide in one of the most public ways possible, I'd say that no, I don't agree.
He didn't think it was "OK". He didn't think anything. He didn't think.
Too many of you forget that there was a time that many of the banned words of today used to be used in a way that was both derogatory as well as in ways that were descriptive and without malice.
I never said it was OK. I am saying that if you're from a different era, and have common words imprinted on your vocabulary for 50 years as just words and nothing else, it's easier to forget which words are banned today.
I will repeat: he should have known better. He thought he was being edgy / funny. He wasn't.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
If y'all are seriously suggesting that Huggins - who I detest - seriously just attempted and failed to commit career suicide in one of the most public ways possible, I'd say that no, I don't agree.
He didn't think it was "OK". He didn't think anything. He didn't think.
Too many of you forget that there was a time that many of the banned words of today used to be used in a way that was both derogatory as well as in ways that were descriptive and without malice.
I never said it was OK. I am saying that if you're from a different era, and have common words imprinted on your vocabulary for 50 years as just words and nothing else, it's easier to forget which words are banned today.
I will repeat: he should have known better. He thought he was being edgy / funny. He wasn't.
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Exactly, he didn't think. And it shows he is pretty comfortable talking like that when he doesn't think anybody is listening. What does that say about him? From the context of the discussion, it wasn't like he held these groups in high esteem and just used the wrong word. It's not just the word itself, listen to the whole conversation around it! Pretty awful stuff! The fact he found it funny isn't a great defense.
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I guess you guys aren't familiar with Bill Cunningham and how he likes to stir the pot for ratings. He was and probably still is WLW's version of a shock jock. Not to offend any one, but years ago when Huggins was still at UC, Bill used to say on air all the time that "women are male sperm receptacles". Huggins was a guest numerous times which might have led him to make the comments that he did. Not to justify either ones remarks as both obviously don't fly in today's world.
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As Catholics we are now considered dangerous extremists so nothing is going to come of that, and if there is anywhere in America you can get a pass on the other slur, I am guessing West Virginia might be the place. We'll see what happens, I know people in California will be demanding his firing but for West Virginians that might just turn the tide the other way.
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Six Catholics on SCOTUS and one in the Executive office. I'm not sure what you mean by extremist exactly, but that's a significant amount of voice given the religious composition of our country in general.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
If y'all are seriously suggesting that Huggins - who I detest - seriously just attempted and failed to commit career suicide in one of the most public ways possible, I'd say that no, I don't agree.
He didn't think it was "OK". He didn't think anything. He didn't think.
Too many of you forget that there was a time that many of the banned words of today used to be used in a way that was both derogatory as well as in ways that were descriptive and without malice.
I never said it was OK. I am saying that if you're from a different era, and have common words imprinted on your vocabulary for 50 years as just words and nothing else, it's easier to forget which words are banned today.
I will repeat: he should have known better. He thought he was being edgy / funny. He wasn't.
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Nobody said anything of the sort. You were trying to make a point. It was either not well communicated or not well thought out. Happens to the best of us. Despite your indication that we have forgot making you are the smarted person in the room, several rational people plainly stated some variation of the explanation that prior acceptance does not matter and is no defense for a word that has been generally accepted as a slur for years to be used (twice).
You indicated initially that he didn't think. I would disagree. I would say he didn't think correctly. I agree, he thought he was being edgy and funny which in and of itself indicates he DID think.
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Supposedly, Huggins wanted to apply for the UD job years ago (when Donoher or JOB was fired) and he was advised by someone outside of UD that he was not a good fit.
He has been very successful as a coach. Would he have been acceptable at UD with his history and baggage?
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Supposedly, Huggins wanted to apply for the UD job years ago (when Donoher or JOB was fired) and he was advised by someone outside of UD that he was not a good fit.
He has been very successful as a coach. Would he have been acceptable at UD with his history and baggage?
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They’re reporting a salary reduction of $1,000,000 this year, a suspension, and sensitivity training. I think it’s fair.
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The thought of Huggins at "Sensitivity Training" makes me laugh. It's like sending Bobby Knight to sensitivity training. If they put both of those guys in sensitivity training together and televised it on Pay-Per-View, I would pay to watch.
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Originally Posted by The Gem
Cunninham didn't hit the kill switch because of the old adage that there is no such thing as bad publicity. He knows what he is doing. Cunningham is a lot of things and stupid isn't one of them.
As for the F word, yes it was not taboo until recently, but as those of us who have around awhile may have noticed, times change. You can keep up or fall behind.
As for the F word, the etymology as a slur against homosexuals is tied to the burning of witches. They would build a pyre for the witch, and then tie the arms and legs of the suspected homosexuals and throw them on the fire with the other faggots- as in bundles of wood.
We have free speech so it's up to you as to whether or not you want to continue using it, but that is what you are referencing and dredging up when you do. I am protestant but my faith's past of burning witches and homosexuals is not a part of it's history that I want to reference.
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He's not stupid, but I guarantee you this stupid stunt will keep him from dialing Huggs number on the air. Ever. Again.
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Never liked Huggins. Once I saw how his teams played (bullying, in-your-face, show no mercy, embarrass your opponent at every opportunity), I developed my intense dislike for the guy. Give me John Wooden, Don Donoher, Bob Knight, or (yes) Anthony Grant any day of the week. Or my own grandfather (who was a HOF coach from nearly a century ago). Win with class, lose with dignity, respect your opponent, and play hard but fair. Leaving your starters in with 2 minutes to go in a 20-point blowout evidences none of these traits. Huggins has earned whatever punishment he gets.
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Never liked Huggins. Once I saw how his teams played (bullying, in-your-face, show no mercy, embarrass your opponent at every opportunity), I developed my intense dislike for the guy. Give me John Wooden, Don Donoher, Bob Knight, or (yes) Anthony Grant any day of the week. Or my own grandfather (who was a HOF coach from nearly a century ago). Win with class, lose with dignity, respect your opponent, and play hard but fair. Leaving your starters in with 2 minutes to go in a 20-point blowout evidences none of these traits. Huggins has earned whatever punishment he gets.
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Bill Cunningham and WLW. 1st Bill will only stop calling Bob onto the air because he'll be told not to. I grew up in Cincy, went to UD, am back in Cincy, I'm 56. I have a whole group of friends that fight with each other because some think it's funny and some get offended, but all agree that WLW is not The Big One, as it claims, it is The Big Racist One. And this group will tell you that is not accurate because they can't find the proper word to cover everything needing inclusion. Basically if you're not an older white heterosexual male (don't include those marshmallow soft young white males), you are fair game to be laughed at, made fun of, hung up on during call in shows, etc. No one in this group was surprised this happened on WLW and with Bill Cunningham. Heck, listen to Bill's laughter and excitement....he either agreed with Bob or was egging Bob on. Both are in the wrong. Bit Bill will not face any repercussions because he didn't make the actual comments and it helps ratings
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OK, that might have been a stretch, but I rooted for Indiana in the 70s, 80s, and 90s because his players seemed to generally become respectable adults, and his program seemed to be cleaner than most. While Knight had his issues, his players for the most part did not. That’s why I included him.
Compare him to Jim Boeheim, Dean Smith, Lefty Driesell, Mike Krzyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcbaski, or any other of his contemporaries, and tell me who ran a cleaner, classier program.
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As for the F word, the etymology as a slur against homosexuals is tied to the burning of witches. They would build a pyre for the witch, and then tie the arms and legs of the suspected homosexuals and throw them on the fire with the other faggots- as in bundles of wood.
We have free speech so it's up to you as to whether or not you want to continue using it, but that is what you are referencing and dredging up when you do. I am protestant but my faith's past of burning witches and homosexuals is not a part of it's history that I want to reference.
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I’m not saying you you should say the word but I don’t think the witch burning story is the reason behind it. This article has a good summation of the entomology.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/******
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OK, that might have been a stretch, but I rooted for Indiana in the 70s, 80s, and 90s because his players seemed to generally become respectable adults, and his program seemed to be cleaner than most. While Knight had his issues, his players for the most part did not. That’s why I included him.
Compare him to Jim Boeheim, Dean Smith, Lefty Driesell, Mike Krzyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcbaski, or any other of his contemporaries, and tell me who ran a cleaner, classier program.
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During the time frame that you mention, coaching salaries surged. College coaches in both football and basketball became more valued than the Presidents of the universities. And with some, as the power grew so did their entitlement reflected in behavior. There aren't that many of those guys remaining but Huggins is one of them.
The world has changed. Entitlement still exists to a degree but isn't as overt. There aren't the number of "name" coaches. Smart ones adapt. NIL and the portal have lessened the power of all but a few. The paycheck's still good! But the entitlement is shifting to the players.
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Nobody said anything of the sort. You were trying to make a point. It was either not well communicated or not well thought out. Happens to the best of us. Despite your indication that we have forgot making you are the smarted person in the room, several rational people plainly stated some variation of the explanation that prior acceptance does not matter and is no defense for a word that has been generally accepted as a slur for years to be used (twice).
You indicated initially that he didn't think. I would disagree. I would say he didn't think correctly. I agree, he thought he was being edgy and funny which in and of itself indicates he DID think.
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Hey Bucketnight, long time no see! Sorry, what you point out above is a chink in my armor, I know you'd like me to stop but . . . no can do.
I just feel like Huggins is grandfathered into a class of people who thought differently. Comments like yours from the peanut gallery don't do much except alienate people with a lot of mumbo jumbo. I don't think he should be blacklisted over it, heck you probably want to haul him off in the paddywagon.
But I'm sure WVU will pretend to crack down on him, but he's a political guru to have survived this long. His team will respond by destroying a few teams in the pre-conference cakewalk games. I personally think Huggins is getting gipped here for such a large fine.
But since I really don't like Huggins maybe I should be cheering and leading the hip hip hooray's!
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Hey Bucketnight, long time no see! Sorry, what you point out above is a chink in my armor, I know you'd like me to stop but . . . no can do.
I just feel like Huggins is grandfathered into a class of people who thought differently. Comments like yours from the peanut gallery don't do much except alienate people with a lot of mumbo jumbo. I don't think he should be blacklisted over it, heck you probably want to haul him off in the paddywagon.
But I'm sure WVU will pretend to crack down on him, but he's a political guru to have survived this long. His team will respond by destroying a few teams in the pre-conference cakewalk games. I personally think Huggins is getting gipped here for such a large fine.
But since I really don't like Huggins maybe I should be cheering and leading the hip hip hooray's!
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I rather enjoyed that. 17 banned words / phrases in a single post and not one delicate little flower wilted.
Why? Because these are words that you experience in your vocabulary as being non-offensive. You're used them that way your whole life. Ever use these phrases in private? Kind of like Huggins? Tisk tisk.
Now imagine saying any of these 17 things on a radio show and getting docked $1M for it, and being told "you should have known better."
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It’s not a difficult or subtle point. There’s a difference between private and public speech. There’s a difference between whispering something in private and uttering something on a radio broadcast.
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It’s not a difficult or subtle point. There’s a difference between private and public speech. There’s a difference between whispering something in private and uttering something on a radio broadcast.
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Defense? What are you talking about? Someone suggested that what Huggins did was somehow not as bad because people have said bad things in private. That’s absolutely inane. There are far better words to describe it, but I’ll just roll with inane. Huggins is the highest paid public employee in West Virginia (I believe he still makes more than WVU’s football coach). Free speech isn’t unrestrained speech. Huggins is a tool. By the way, there are certainly people on this board who have whispered some ugly words in private. However, they kept it in private because they know you cannot scream them out loud in public. Any hint that we can’t pass judgment on Huggins because we may have used similar language at some point in private is simply…keeping it polite…inane.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
Defense? What are you talking about? Someone suggested that what Huggins did was somehow not as bad because people have said bad things in private. That’s absolutely inane. There are far better words to describe it, but I’ll just roll with inane. Huggins is the highest paid public employee in West Virginia (I believe he still makes more than WVU’s football coach). Free speech isn’t unrestrained speech. Huggins is a tool. By the way, there are certainly people on this board who have whispered some ugly words in private. However, they kept it in private because they know you cannot scream them out loud in public. Any hint that we can’t pass judgment on Huggins because we may have used similar language at some point in private is simply…keeping it polite…inane.
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There’s a word for that - Hypocrite. To me judging someone publically all the while using it in private is at least as bad if not worse than the one who owns it publicly.
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This is in the context of what happened with Huggins. Huggins does not get a pass because others have said bad things in private settings. There’s no glory in Huggins “owning” it publicly. It’s the contrary. He knows it’s wrong and still does it. He knows the public harm it can cause and still does it. I’ll say it better: I prefer a private bigot/racist/misogynist that does the right thing as a boss to the one that “owns it” and is a pig in the workplace. Change doesn’t occur overnight . It often starts with hypocrisy. It starts with people doing the right thing even if they disagree with it privately. Many even come around to changing the way they think. Others, like Huggins, don’t. Worse, others, like Huggins, publicly “own it.” I proudly don’t support him “owning it.”
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Huggins will be gone after this season. Then we will get multiple threads to have Huggins become the next UD coach.
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Huggins could have/would have been UD's coach, however Brother Fitz didn't like his vulgar language he used while coaching at Akron and decided to hire Jim O'Brien instead.
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Remember when he ran the score up on us Oliver's first year . . . on national TV. It was Faust who told Hugs he couldn't recommend him for the Dayton job . . . because of the way he treats his players.
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Gotta think this is curtains for him at WVU.
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Remember when he ran the score up on us Oliver's first year . . . on national TV. It was Faust who told Hugs he couldn't recommend him for the Dayton job . . . because of the way he treats his players.
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The details of this are bad. He's more than twice legal limit. He doesn't remember anything for hours after being the parking lot of a Burger King
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How many fifths would Huggy Bear have to put away (at his current size) to register a BAC at 2x the legal limit?
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Parts of the criminal complaint against Bob Huggins, obtained by CBS Sports, which includes an alarming .210 breathalyzer reading “after multiple failed attempts.”
Huggins failed multiple field sobriety tests on scene.
“Huggins was unable to explain how his tire got shredded” and “unable to say where he was.”
He showed a Burger King receipt from several hours earlier
“Huggins could not explain how he got from the Burger King to the northside.”
Huggins stated he thought he was in “Columbus.”
“(Officer) asked Huggins approx. 10 times where he was actually at and he never once responded with the current city he was in.”
Empty beer cans found in garbage bag on passenger side, more bottles in the trunk, with an empty cooler in the car as well, per the complaint.
----To me there's a difference between I had one too many glasses of wine at dinner and whatever this is
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To recap:
1:30pm Bob Huggins is in the parking lot of a Burger King in Washington, PA
8:30pm SUV is broke down in the middle of the road near a Taylor Swift concert in Pittsburgh. More than twice legal limit, with beer cans scattered throughout his car
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I met Huggins at a golf outing after party about five years ago. We talked basketball for about 10 minutes and he was conversational and friendly. He was also pretty hammered and I heard he’d been going hard since the night before the outing. He doesn’t play golf, but attends a lot of outings for the parties. It’s no secret to anyone that Huggs likes to drink. However, it’s pretty obvious that he has a problem. I hope he can find a way to get himself together.
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Sounds like he will resign tonight. I have to believe some recruits will reconsider their commitment. It looks like Huggins hit the portal hard. I have to believe that Big12 recruits can find a home.
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Was he just driving his SUV around Pennsylvania drinking beer all day? I'm not a medical professional but I think this might be a sign of alcohol problem
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. . . I think this might be a sign of [an] alcohol problem
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Was he just driving his SUV around Pennsylvania drinking beer all day? I'm not a medical professional but I think this might be a sign of alcohol problem
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He probably was taking a drink every time someone said 1 of 6.
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Is it still possible for his current players (not new players) to transfer and be eligible in the fall?
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I simply don't understand, how at darn near 70 years old, you wake up one day and decide to drive around drinking beer in your SUV all day
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The details of this are bad. He's more than twice legal limit. He doesn't remember anything for hours after being the parking lot of a Burger King
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He might have blacked out. Looks Iike black out begins at about .16 BAC. That would explain him not knowing how he got from the BK in Washington, PA to then Pittsburgh later.
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Is it still possible for his current players (not new players) to transfer and be eligible in the fall?
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Quick glance on Twitter makes it seem like its possible
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Big question is there roster opportunities for UD? Huggins poached more than a few players in recruiting over the years. Some who had UD in their choices. And I am not talking about Staten.
This is one reason why coaches leave one scholarship open, in case a late opportunity arises. Grant is not the only coach to do that
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
How many fifths would Huggy Bear have to put away (at his current size) to register a BAC at 2x the legal limit?
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A little more than one fifth-sized bottle to get to around .21 BAC.
A fifth is about 27 ounces. A shot is about 1.5 ounces. Let's assume he weighs 300 pounds. Each shot, per the internet, will raise his BAC .012. His liver will lower his BAC by .015 each hour.
So, if he drinks a whole fifth in one hour(without tossing his cookies, which IMO would be very, very hard to do if he is able to hold all that down in just one hour):
27/1.5=18
18×.012=.216 BAC
.216-.015=.201
He blew a .21.
So I'd say it is much more likely that he had been drinking over a longer time frame. You can't do 18 shots in an hour without tossing your cookies IMO, no way.
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Was he just driving his SUV around Pennsylvania drinking beer all day? I'm not a medical professional but I think this might be a sign of alcohol problem
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He's previous DUI in2004 while at cincinnati was a sign.
I wonder how many times he played the celebrity card to avoid
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He's previous DUI in2004 while at cincinnati was a sign.
I wonder how many times he played the celebrity card to avoid
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Imagine all the other times he avoided getting pulled over.
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It’s probably similar to “The Cockroach Theory” (for every cockroach that you see, there are several that you never see). I’m guessing that there were dozens (if not scores) of DUIs that he avoided simply because he was “Huggins”.
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06-18-2023, 10:44 PM
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Big question is there roster opportunities for UD? Huggins poached more than a few players in recruiting over the years. Some who had UD in their choices. And I am not talking about Staten.
This is one reason why coaches leave one scholarship open, in case a late opportunity arises. Grant is not the only coach to do that
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A friend told me that the NCAA issued a statement that no transfers out of WVU for the men's basketball team will be granted due to the Huggins situation.
Iinm, the transfer portal is now closed for the 2023 offseason in terms of new players entering their names into the portal.
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06-18-2023, 10:50 PM
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Originally Posted by ud2
A little more than one fifth-sized bottle to get to around .21 BAC.
A fifth is about 27 ounces. A shot is about 1.5 ounces. Let's assume he weighs 300 pounds. Each shot, per the internet, will raise his BAC .012. His liver will lower his BAC by .015 each hour.
So, if he drinks a whole fifth in one hour(without tossing his cookies, which IMO would be very, very hard to do if he is able to hold all that down in just one hour):
27/1.5=18
18×.012=.216 BAC
.216-.015=.201
He blew a .21.
So I'd say it is much more likely that he had been drinking over a longer time frame. You can't do 18 shots in an hour without tossing your cookies IMO, no way.
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OSU Flyer cited a report that stated Huggins had a Burger King receipt that was time stamped @ 1:30, and that he was pulled over @ 8:30. That’s 7 hours’ worth of his liver lowering his BAC by .015, or a total reduction of .105. Add that to the .21 that he blew and you get .315. Divide that by .012/shot, and you get 26.25 shots of liquor, or roughly a liter. And that doesn’t take into account the tolerance level he acquired from years of practice.
Basically, the dude had to have drank almost 2 cases of beer by himself. I don’t think I ever did that when I was a young, stupid undergrad 40 years ago. I sure as he!! haven’t come anywhere close to that any time recently. Dude needs to admit his problem and get help. Will he? That’s up to him.
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06-19-2023, 01:01 AM
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A lot of people walking around these days with thin skin. I wonder who I just offended?…
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There was a time when you could drive around in your car all day draining a case of Miller & get a little escort home.
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06-19-2023, 02:46 AM
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This was what I was referencing in post #84, I was mistaken, the NCAA did not issue a statement, wvsports.com was analyzing the situation:
https://twitter.com/WVSportsDotCom/s...45832363327488:
It's important to remember that only grad transfers (WVU has one) can leave #WVU without a waiver and the NCAA is not issuing waivers when the request is due to a coaching change. That rule could be challenged but hasn't to this point.
As of two hours ago, no player had indicated they were leaving, despite internet rumors.
Additional information on #WVU's current players. But there is still a lot of confusion on the rule and WVU's administration is trying to get all of that clear. If you haven't transferred at all, such as a player that WVU recruited out of high school, then you have 30 days from when Huggins was fired. If you have only transferred once (Kriisa and Edwards) then you can transfer as well. The others will need a waiver, that would be players like Battle, Perez and Silverio.
The difficult part is that the NCAA claims they no longer issues waivers due to a coaching change. Will any of these players try to challenge that?
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06-19-2023, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
I simply don't understand, how at darn near 70 years old, you wake up one day and decide to drive around drinking beer in your SUV all day
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The same way you wallow on a city street shooting meth. He's sick.
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06-19-2023, 08:48 AM
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Sad thing is if he decides he still wants to coach, someone will hire him no questions asked.
The thing I never understand about athletes and coaches who make millions of dollars in today's day and age is why they would ever even be driving themselves if they know they are going to be drinking. With Ubers, Lyfts, cabs, driving services, limo's and entourages (someone hanger around would love to be Huggies DD) there is just no reason to drink and drive anymore. I make a lot less than millionaire athletes/coaches and when I'm going out drinking I am never behind the wheel anymore.
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06-19-2023, 08:56 AM
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Huggins poached more than a few players in his career. Would be interesting to see who if anyone transfers at this late date. Big NIL money might keep them at WVU, provided donors are comfortable with the program without Huggins.
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06-19-2023, 10:41 AM
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Huggins poached more than a few players in his career. Would be interesting to see who if anyone transfers at this late date. Big NIL money might keep them at WVU, provided donors are comfortable with the program without Huggins.
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The NIL becomes an interesting aspect in this little drama. If an NIL agreement has already been signed, does the agreement tie the hands of the players that have one? Although there has been plenty written on the NIL changes, I don't recall seeing anything specific as to how they are written.
I was just thinking... with Huggins gone is WVU a good job? I go back and forth on it. Good conference but without Huggins do they regress to the bottom 3 or 4 programs in the standings over the course of time?
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There are players who certainly can bail: https://wvsportsnow.com/wvu-basketba...new-direction/. If NIL disincentivizes players from transferring, then there is another unintended benefit of NIL. I read something that NIL might affect the player from Syracuse, who was encouraged to go with WVU because WVU has a better grip on getting NIL money for foreign players. I wonder if UD has a group that has figured out how to get foreign players money.
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06-19-2023, 01:01 PM
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Interesting that, in the article, he was described as “eccentric”. If I behaved as he has, I think I’d be described much more harshly (terms such as “boor”, “homophobe”, and “drunkard” come to mind). I hope he seeks and gets the help he needs, before he pulls another stunt like this last one and kills someone.
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06-19-2023, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
OSU Flyer cited a report that stated Huggins had a Burger King receipt that was time stamped @ 1:30, and that he was pulled over @ 8:30. That’s 7 hours’ worth of his liver lowering his BAC by .015, or a total reduction of .105. Add that to the .21 that he blew and you get .315. Divide that by .012/shot, and you get 26.25 shots of liquor, or roughly a liter. And that doesn’t take into account the tolerance level he acquired from years of practice.
Basically, the dude had to have drank almost 2 cases of beer by himself.
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Tolerance has nothing to do with the quantity of alcohol in the system.
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06-19-2023, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
Interesting that, in the article, he was described as “eccentric”. If I behaved as he has, I think I’d be described much more harshly (terms such as “boor”, “homophobe”, and “drunkard” come to mind). I hope he seeks and gets the help he needs, before he pulls another stunt like this last one and kills someone.
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The shredded tire seems like that last warning. Something came close to going horribly bad. I get the feeling that those closest to him haven’t been able to get him into rehab. Not encouraging.
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Originally Posted by CT Flyer
The thing I never understand about athletes and coaches who make millions of dollars in today's day and age is why they would ever even be driving themselves if they know they are going to be drinking. With Ubers, Lyfts, cabs, driving services, limo's and entourages (someone hanger around would love to be Huggies DD) there is just no reason to drink and drive anymore. I make a lot less than millionaire athletes/coaches and when I'm going out drinking I am never behind the wheel anymore.
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I agree, this is a problem.
I am very concerned about his driving skills at .21 BAC.
I am also very concerned about what occurred during the period of time when he was potentially blacked out. When he says he can't recall how he got from point a to point b, he maybe isn't lying. If he ran somebody over, he may not remember it.
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I waiting for someone to start a thread for AG to hire Huggins as an assistant coach.
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06-19-2023, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by cj
I waiting for someone to start a thread for AG to hire Huggins as an assistant coach.
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Well he’s a proven winner …
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