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Old 02-17-2017, 08:47 AM
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Fordham game thread

Talk about a team in free fall - after a 6-0 start in league play the Rams have lost 5 of their last 8 including a shocking loss Tuesday night to Davidson. G'mrice Davis is the one to watch inside - she averages 14.5 PPG and 12 rebs. Burns is their second leading scorer at 9.3. Fordham will try to keep it slow paced and ugly just as they did in beating St. Joe 44-39. Doubling down in the post against Davis and getting her frustrated and daring the rest to make shots is what was the key to success for GW in blowing out the Rams. CBS Sports Network 2 pm eastern. I believe a win guarantees UD a first round tourney bye and nothing worse than the second seed.
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Old 02-17-2017, 09:08 AM
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NBC SPORTS network is carrying the game.
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Old 02-17-2017, 11:24 AM
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Oops thank you for that correction - NBC Sports Net NOT CBS.
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And thankfully, this is a Sunday game, so not at the same time as the men.
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Old 02-19-2017, 12:38 PM
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BUT this is Senior day, they will be gunning for the upset.

Gotta be ready from the git go. Probably no Jenna so Lauren and Kelley need to bring it. Can expect Lauren to be guarded closely today, perhaps Kelley then can go off on them. Go Flyers only two left, protect your lead, take the reg season trophy...... and tourney trophy.
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Probably not but its still considered regular season champions, i'll take that.
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Burdette is dressed? Maybe limited minutes.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:15 PM
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Fordham 3-3 from long range. That won't last.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:22 PM
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Meanwhile our streak shooter, Lauren, misses four wide open shots.
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I feared this game because I felt it might take more than one player scoring. Saisha with eight, Kelley with four, rest of the team two points. Hope Saisha can continue her good play and not get in foul trouble
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:29 PM
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Our offense is terrible right now, one pass and a bad shot.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:32 PM
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Burdette can't get healthy quick enough.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:34 PM
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We get an entry pass and the other four players stand, like throw me the ball I am open, but they are not. If I were coach, it would be move or sit.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:34 PM
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Driving in the lane is not Lauren's game. Especially with the lane full of trees. Still we are only 4 points behind. We can do this.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:39 PM
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I like our chances right now with Kelley and Saicha both scoring
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:47 PM
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I like our chances right now with Kelley and Saicha both scoring
I did too. Then the last couple of minutes they go back to running zero offense and poor shots. Shauna must pull her hair out trying to coach this group at either end, besides Austria the others love to stand and shoot on offense, and give 80% effort on defense.

Fordham is not good, but we are playing worse.
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Old 02-19-2017, 02:49 PM
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I loved that last play where Grant and Harris passed it back and forth to each other a couple of times, never looked to the weak side or middle, until one of them took a bad shot. Terrible!
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the difference so far is that ud has made 2 three pointers and Fordham has made 6

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Old 02-19-2017, 02:55 PM
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LC 0-4 Kelley 3-5 SGA 5-9, Maddy 1-1

We catch up then let them take the lead again. seems our subs did better, that is when we caught up then regulars come in and we lose the lead.

Better get hot on offense and stingy on defense in the second half or we are in jeopardy of losing 1st place.

Still have confidence we'll pull this out in 2nd half, obviously since the first half is already over.
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If you look at the stats, Fordham has five players with balanced scoring and shots, and Dayton has two.
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Old 02-19-2017, 03:14 PM
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Fordham wants it more than we do and it shows.
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Not looking good, its now or never. Lets go Flyers
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LC giving us nothing. SGA struggling inside because she's being double teamed. Somebody better step up and soon. JL or JS needs to try driving. Dennis standing around at the top of the key isn't going to get it done,
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Layfield has played 22 minutes and has one shot. Our no movement, no screens offense will get you that.
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LC hits a big 3. Down by 4.
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Can't catch a break and then Harris loses her mind.
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We fail to get the rebound loose ball and then an unbelievable foul by Harris on a three after a previous airball by Layfield.
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What is it with Flyer teams fouling 3-point shooters lately? Kyle twice yesterday and now Harris after we played defense for 29 seconds. That ended any comeback attempt.
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Grant at 6'5" and a senior cannot make shots. She is 6-16. She continues to fade away against smaller players.
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This game was over before the end of the first half. Fordham wanted it the entire game. Everything they throw up has gone in. We have played with no heart this whole second half. We didn't play with any consistency on offense. Additionally, this officiating is horrendous.
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These last few minutes have been painful to watch. Our offense is so anemic that there is no way we can catch up. Looked the same against GDub also. Why do you dress Burdette and not play her?

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Other than Kelley this group is so hard to watch. Poor coaching and/or players who are lazy and will not listen and execute. The poor competition in the A10 has not made this group hungry or ready to play at a high level.
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Tough team to beat at home. Fordham played very well and got some fortunate bounces when they needed. Time to win at home UD.
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Shooting percentage pretty even. Fordham won rebounds by 8 and made 8 more free throws. They had 5 more offensive rebounds than us. We are a taller team, but get outrebounded and outhustled.
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SGA was doing very well till she got hit in the mid section, don't think she made a shot after that.

LC 2-11 18% can't wait to hear Barney extol LC play today.

Kelley GREAT GAME 7 - 11 63% now that is a player.

Came out flat again. GW and now Fordham.

Win SLU and finish 13-3 probable tie for 1st and a bye. Think first 4 teams get a bye.

No question we need a point guard, and Jenna is it.

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Shooting percentage pretty even. Fordham won rebounds by 8 and made 8 more free throws. They had 5 more offensive rebounds than us. We are a taller team, but get outrebounded and outhustled.
A lot of those were unfortunate bounces, yet still think Fordham played with more energy and won the 50/50 balls.
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Harris (1-3) and Austria (6-6) - only 2 players to shoot free throws.
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We will find out what this team is made of on our Senior night. Need Jenna to run the point or its another tough offensive night.

At least she was dressed, thats a start.
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I mentioned this previously but food for thought.

I want UD to finish in 1st place. But, it might be to their advantage to play in the 1st round. This game would be next Saturday at home. The 1st A10 game would be the following Friday. This would give jenna some extra playing time before the tournament.
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Other than Kelley this group is so hard to watch. Poor coaching and/or players who are lazy and will not listen and execute. The poor competition in the A10 has not made this group hungry or ready to play at a high level.
Why don't you tell us how you really feel. Easy to trash a team after a loss. Given the events just prior to and at the start of the season,I believe the coach and team have done pretty well. Playing for the regular season title against SLU this week, how many fans expected that after the start of the season.
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Why don't you tell us how you really feel. Easy to trash a team after a loss. Given the events just prior to and at the start of the season,I believe the coach and team have done pretty well. Playing for the regular season title against SLU this week, how many fans expected that after the start of the season.
I take it you haven't watched the last 4 games. They are playing (without Jenna) like they did at the beginning of the season. Stagnant offense. Would like to think the results might have been different had Jenna been running the point.

But what you say is correct and why I thought Shauna would be the COY. Now I believe it will depend on the SLU game. A Win there and I think she earned it, a loss and its up for grabs. GW first year coach has done a good job too, so be between them. my .02, keep the change.
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Believe we have to win the A-10 tourney to get to the NCAA, otherwise its WIT again.

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Lauren is at best today a capable two guard. Hopefully she improves in the next two years but right now she is so one dimensional that she is not up to a10, let alone championship standards. She's forced into a role she's unsuited for as pg and just couldn't handle it again today. She can't drive, create her own shot and struggles with defense, but most importantly, does not facilitate or make teammates better. But we apparently don't have a better option, but after 40 minutes of futility we should have at least tried something else. Some of this loss is clearly on Green.
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Maddy was standing on the perimeter ready to shoot a trey, but they never got the ball to her. Got it to her in the corner and she nailed it. Christi was also out there to hit a trey but missed on her opportunity.

The more three point shooters we put out there the better our chances, and better for Kelley to get a shot off. They can't cover every perimeter shooter if we hit them, which we didn't so it made it easy to cover Lauren and Kelley.

And yes Jenna is our facilitator, she makes others better and can score as well. But she is the only true point guard in uni. Guess Giaconne is out for the rest of the year???
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Ok Avid I'll make you happy. Lauren struggled today. There I said it. I think Fordham won this more than Dayton lost it. Anyway, 3-2 without Burdette and a chance to win a title Wednesday. What more can you ask for so let's have a big crowd.
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I don't see how Shauna can be criticized for the importance of Jenna. There was no way to add a player after her arrival and she doesn't have anyone on the bench who is quick enough or has ball handling skills. Shauna is just playing with the hand she was dealt

And let's not forget, Jenna is not a decent point guard, she is tremendous and makes her teammates better. When Jenna returns other teams will focus their defense on stopping her. Maybe they can run some plays using her as a decoy to loosen things up and get easy shots. Let Lauren or Kelley play some point with Jenna running without the ball and see if the other team over reacts leaving someone else open. I'm not saying to do this often but definitely enough to test the other team

The playing time that Lauren has received should allow Jenna to get rest during the tournament which could be key. I don't think Jenna can play 120 minutes in three days. although a bottle of SPARK every quarter in the third game might help
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Why don't you tell us how you really feel. Easy to trash a team after a loss. Given the events just prior to and at the start of the season,I believe the coach and team have done pretty well. Playing for the regular season title against SLU this week, how many fans expected that after the start of the season.
This thread was on the game, not on the season. I made twelve posts today and you make one criticizing the fact that I criticized a poorly played game. Did you watch the game today, and think we played well?
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We played terrible basketball, everyone save Austria underperformed, including Green who never changed strategy.
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We played terrible basketball, everyone save Austria underperformed, including Green who never changed strategy.
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Not sure how you can say that, Shauna changed personnel to increase our ability to hit from the perimeter.

SGA was effective till she got elbowed in the midsection. No one was able to put the ball in the basket from underneath, or as the announcer said from 1 foot. Make some of those 1 footers and it opens up the outside.

Shauna can't shoot the ball or handle the ball chores for the point guards, she can't make the ball go in the basket. Players have to execute and Fordham out executed us. As the announcers stated, Fordham just had more energy.

Its Shauna's and the coaches job to get the game plan ready and up to the captain(s) to get the team motivated and ready to play.
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Well the plan was wrong... Then she compounded the error as she stayed with LC running the show long after she was proven completely ineffective. Any change might have impacted the outcome,
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Well the plan was wrong... Then she compounded the error as she stayed with LC running the show long after she was proven completely ineffective. Any change might have impacted the outcome,
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Well maybe you are wrong what gives you the right to call that. You are not the coach and not privy to what is and is not going on with the team. i didn't see you in the locker room, in any of the huddles or anywhere to make the call, yet you profess to know. Lauren was handling the ball okay, she had 5 assists to 0 turnovers, she just wasn't making her shots. By LC as pt gd it freed up Kelley to score 24 points.

My trust is in Shauna not maddog07. Anyone can be a Monday morning quarterback, second guessing is for amateurs, HC's have to make the decisions on the spot, don't have the luxury to second guess.
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Well maybe you are wrong what gives you the right to call that. You are not the coach and not privy to what is and is not going on with the team. i didn't see you in the locker room, in any of the huddles or anywhere to make the call, yet you profess to know. Lauren was handling the ball okay, she had 5 assists to 0 turnovers, she just wasn't making her shots. By LC as pt gd it freed up Kelley to score 24 points.

My trust is in Shauna not maddog07. Anyone can be a Monday morning quarterback, second guessing is for amateurs, HC's have to make the decisions on the spot, don't have the luxury to second guess.
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Your correct, great game plan! Shoot from the outside with dead eye LC, rather than drive inside for higher percentage shots and maybe get fouled. Why get fouled they are only worth one points-smart! and very clever to stay in a half court offense and avoid any fastbreaks that might tire us out while our pg dribbles around and around pointlessly, or so it seemed to the uninformed. Obviously Green has a plan that will show up in the WNIT. Amazing that we lost by 14 with all the strategy. Well played!
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Your correct, great game plan! Shoot from the outside with dead eye LC, rather than drive inside for higher percentage shots and maybe get fouled. Why get fouled they are only worth one points-smart! and very clever to stay in a half court offense and avoid any fastbreaks that might tire us out while our pg dribbles around and around pointlessly, or so it seemed to the uninformed. Obviously Green has a plan that will show up in the WNIT. Amazing that we lost by 14 with all the strategy. Well played!
Obviously you didn't watch the same game. LC tried to drive but was called for charge, Kelley did drive and was fould, many of her points came from free throws. Even the announcers said UD game plan was to go inside to the bigs or drive. Bigs couldn't put it in the basket, few drives were successful but they did attempt both, which left parimeter shooting which was off today.


Stick with what you know and it's not UD basketball. Or better yet get a coaching job.

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I have to say I'm with Avid on this one. Fordham did the smart thing they packed it in dared UD to hit from the outside - they couldn't - unfortunately Lauren was cold - and they took away Sachia's inside game after the first quarter. I have a feeling Sachia got frustrated inside so took her game outside a bit which worked in the first quarter but not thereafter. The lack of Jenna being able to as Vitale says DDD - drive, draw and dish was evident in this one. Blaming the loss on Coach Green I don't believe is fair - when your star point guard is out you are limited. LC did actually "run the show" okay - no TO's in 40 minutes but her shooting suffered. One other thing - Fordham did a great job in taking Layfield out of the game completely - only three shots all game.
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Saicha' was 6 - 16 with five turnovers. She was not dominating when given chances I didn't realize until now that they had 19 second chance to ud's 5 that was the ball game.
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Saicha' was 6 - 16 with five turnovers. She was not dominating when given chances I didn't realize until now that they had 19 second chance to ud's 5 that was the ball game.
I think someone else pointed out Saicha never went to the foul line with 16 shots. After four years she still fades away from contact, and sometimes shoots outside shots, rather than drives and gets fouled. You are 6'5", and no one will stop you but yourself or a foul. I am sure she has heard it 100 times from the coaches, but at this point she is what she is. We are spoiled on the men's side with guys like Pollard and Kyle, who go into brick walls to take shots.
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There was a play in the fourth quarter when someone obviously charged into her - it was not called- she complained but after that she took her game outside.
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And lets not forget our inside presence before the French and Canadian bigs came to UD. Remember Justine Raterman and Olivia Applewhite 6'1 and 6'0 respectively who play more like 6'4" and were bangers inside.

Coach Jabir got away from the bangers and went for the finesse players of the last 4 years. Need to get back to the smaller post players who can play bigger than they are and put the ball in the basket.

Xavier's two bigs feared Justine when she was in the game. Those are the kind of players UD needs to recruit again.
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There was a play in the fourth quarter when someone obviously charged into her - it was not called- she complained but after that she took her game outside.
I had mentioned that in an earlier post as I don't think SGA scored another point after that. Replay showed a hard elbow/arm to her upper chest area. I am sure she is sore today and would not be surprised to see her not start or get few minutes.

If bruised her movement will be hampered and hamper her guarding of Septonovich{sp).

What I didn't get is why they stopped action when a Fordham player got an elbow to the eye to see if it was flagrant but didn't do the same when the Fordham player drove into SGA. Clearly it was a foul before she shot the ball if not a flagrant 1.

Refs need to treat all cases the same. Yes the Fordham player held her eye after being hit which caught the attention of the Refs. But SGA went to the floor and stayed there trying to get her breath back so Refs should have stopped game and reviewed that play as well.
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I had mentioned that in an earlier post as I don't think SGA scored another point after that. Replay showed a hard elbow/arm to her upper chest area. I am sure she is sore today and would not be surprised to see her not start or get few minutes.

If bruised her movement will be hampered and hamper her guarding of Septonovich{sp).

What I didn't get is why they stopped action when a Fordham player got an elbow to the eye to see if it was flagrant but didn't do the same when the Fordham player drove into SGA. Clearly it was a foul before she shot the ball if not a flagrant 1.

Refs need to treat all cases the same. Yes the Fordham player held her eye after being hit which caught the attention of the Refs. But SGA went to the floor and stayed there trying to get her breath back so Refs should have stopped game and reviewed that play as well.
Just my guess, but the ref blew the call by calling a block on SGA, and assumed she flopped. The ref may have been behind the play, and did not clearly see the hard contact, so nothing to review.
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And lets not forget our inside presence before the French and Canadian bigs came to UD. Remember Justine Raterman and Olivia Applewhite 6'1 and 6'0 respectively who play more like 6'4" and were bangers inside.

Coach Jabir got away from the bangers and went for the finesse players of the last 4 years. Need to get back to the smaller post players who can play bigger than they are and put the ball in the basket.

Xavier's two bigs feared Justine when she was in the game. Those are the kind of players UD needs to recruit again.
I think Cvitkovic is supposed to be that player. She's tough, and the only player who can (will) push back against a big post. Unfortunately, she gets out-maneuvered pretty easily and hasn't really found her shot to be effective under the hoop.
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I think Cvitkovic is supposed to be that player. She's tough, and the only player who can (will) push back against a big post. Unfortunately, she gets out-maneuvered pretty easily and hasn't really found her shot to be effective under the hoop.
I really like Andi, she does really try to tough it out in the post but she all too often makes a silly mistake like shuffling her feet. Both she and Maddy have great outside shots and can put it in the basket the paint but get moved out of position.

Still hope for Maddy but Andi is what she is at this stage.
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You are due your opinion,, but todays season statistics have Mandy at 8 for 26 (.308) on 3 PT shots. She is 15 for 50 (.300) on field goal attempts. Perhaps in practice, she has a "...great outside shot...", but game statistics imply she does not have a great outside shot.

Most surprising statistic, apparently Harris has 50 blocks year to date.
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To Avid Flyer,

You are due your opinion,, but todays season statistics have Mandy at 8 for 26 (.308) on 3 PT shots. She is 15 for 50 (.300) on field goal attempts. Perhaps in practice, she has a "...great outside shot...", but game statistics imply she does not have a great outside shot.

Most surprising statistic, apparently Harris has 50 blocks year to date.
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So what is your point, she isn't hitting the shots which comes with confidence, practice and game exposure. Remember what they said about Baby D, X Williams, John C, on the mens team. Baby D got his shiot back, X has totally turned his game around and now starts, John C is beginning to show signs of why he was recruited and may be an option at point guard net year.

Jayla Scaife most likely don't have a good % at this point either, Lauren we all know has a great outside shot but is very streaky. Shauna Green would not give these players the "Green" light to shoot if they didn't demonstrate that ability in practice.

In my opinion Maddy is lacking confidence but that don't mean she can't make those shots on a regular basis given more pt. Shooters shoot out of their slumps, not that Maddy is a shooter but she is another option. While you have spare time look up Christi M, bet her % shots is not very good either but we all know she was recruited for her 3 point shooting, she just isn't or hasn't made them in games enough. But again another option.

Even if Andi, Maddy and company don't make a high percentage of shots just being a threat on the perimeter can alter how the opponent plays defense. A good coach will show the opponent other options than just the starting 5. When Lauren came in and hits her treys it opens up the defense more.

Believe it was UDBrian who mentioned an assistant coach told Maddy she was really playing well, even though she had not made a basket. She looked surprised but it helped her confidence and the next game she made a Maddy trey from the corner. Again another option. Christi on the other hand, a senior did not make any. For shooters its all too often a game of streaks.

The Kelley's and Jenna's of the world when their perimeter shots don't fall have the ability to make mid range shots, or drive to the lane for a lay up or at least get a foul. Lauren does not have that down yet but from what I see she is trying to develop that part of her game.

The only one on the team I don't see adding anything yet is Parkinson. Most others are showing some improvement. Again just my opinion.

I have admittedly been hard on Lauren mainly because we knew that Kelley would need time to get back into game shape from her surgery and I was disappointed Lauren didn't produce at the beginning of the year coming off her experience from last year. Had Lauren produced at the beginning I doubt we would have gone 3-6 in our first 9 games, but that is hindsight.

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On a side note no one on the team is having a stellar game and that includes Jenna and Kelly who have both had more turnovers than normal for them. Kelley has had the ball taken away from her where she is usually the stealer and has driven into traffic and lost the ball more than I had seen her in past years.

Many of our turnovers are playing at a high speed that can cause errors in judgement on the passing and receiving ends. In the GW game SGA was sorta trapped in the corner and threw over to the corner to a waiting Kelley....only Kelley took off as a cutter, just not on the same page.

Too many passes into the paint go between the bigs legs or through their hands. It was the same when JJ was the coach. Its their style and pace of the game that perhaps all players on the team are not up to speed on.

But all in all they are doing quite well for the sudden unexpected changes at seasons beginning. The criticism of the GW and Fordham games were the energy those two teams came out with while we were flat. Need to be ready for SLU, Winner takes all and loser goes to most likely 4th place. Not a game for faint of heart. Jenna would be needed in this one, health allowing.
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My point is simply that the statistics do not support Mandy being a "great" outside shooter. Steph Curry is a great outside shooter. IMO Brian Roberts was a great outside shooter.

I just rechecked the season to date statistics. Nine members of the roster have more minutes played than Mandy (Cvitkovic has played 47 more minutes). The comparison to Scaife must consider that Scaife is a true freshman and Maddy is in her second year.

I hope Maddy gets more playing time next year and improves. Till then, I will assume the coaches have a good reason for not giving her more PT. One of my earlier messages noted that the rebounding of the SGA, Harris and Layfield front line appears to have been one of many reasons for conference season success.
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We are stuck having to rely so much on the starters because we have recruited so poorly over the last several years To some extent we are lucky Kelley is still around, although she was recruited long ago.

Andi C is has had a terrible career, after being hyped as a great recruit. Unbelievably she has more turnovers than baskets!!! Yikes-- An almost unheard of statistic. And she has not developed at all over her four years, in fact a case can be made that she got progressively worse. Avg's a foul every 5 minutes. But at least she's grabbed a few rebounds and tried to play her role inside.

Maddy is so far even worse and part of the talent problem. She camps out waiting to shoot from distance instead of working inside on offense or defense despite a pitiful 28% three point %. She's made 8---8 fouls shots in two years!!!! and only 1, that's right ONE--this year, a sign of her unwillingness or inability to play inside, the only place she might belong.

These two are prime reasons for our decline to mediocrity, and apparently they can't be coached and the other options of Wilmoth and Parkinson are even worse.
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Without going into details I expected more production from andi after seeing her play as a freshman

I think that kelley playing this year has probably saved the program from a big drop which would take years to recover from. After last season another bad season would have impacted recruiting but I think that shauna will do well in thst regard

Definitely need some players coming in next year other than breen

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Andi was a great player in high school, but the first time I saw her play I was worried that she was too slow of foot and too slow to react. She has done nothing to improve her speed or skills in four years, and maybe she just wants her degree and to graduate.

Maddog, you are spot on the recruiting. One good one this year and one next, and a good transfer coming in.
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The loss of Blais this year was huge. Healthy, she is one of the top three players in the league.
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The loss of Blais this year was huge. Healthy, she is one of the top three players in the league.
Great point Chris. I can see Kelley and Jenna running pick and rolls with her. Blais has a great outside shot and would have helped a ton on offense.

Despite everything that has happened this year I think that Shauna has a ton of good selling points for a recruit. And this year we also have the 'chance of starting as a freshman' The only position where an incoming player won't have a chance to start would be point guard but they could still get a lot of playing time and start the following year. There are some good returning players so with a couple of additions and off season improvements next year can be a good season.
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