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So regarding Landers and Mikesell, has the NCAA said anymore since the first day this was brought up that they might consider winter sports getting more eligibility, or is this only speculation at this point. Thanks in advance.
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Watch the Kansas game and you see what Mikesell brought to the table. Rumor is he had back problems late in the season.
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They only discussed spring sports. Basketball played the entire regular season. I don't see any changes for basketball to give additional eligibility.
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Sources: The NCAA is unlikely to grant an extra year of eligibility for student athletes who participated in winter sports and had their seasons cut short due to coronavirus.
An extra year of eligibility is still in play for student athletes involved with spring sports.
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Both Mikesell and Landers played bigger than they really are and I am not even talking about what they brought mentally/leadership. Replacing both of them will be very difficult.
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Thanked this post because I agree with it. But I really banked this post because of the tag line at the bottom about the NCAA bracket.
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Had to look twice when I saw on the Transfer Portal that Jalen Crutchfield was transferring. He's leaving Stetson.
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Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows
Had to look twice when I saw on the Transfer Portal that Jalen Crutchfield was transferring. He's leaving Stetson.
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I thought you were serious but you must have been kidding! Following are the 6'4" SG (which we don't need) statistics: Played in 21 games (out of 33). Averaged 7.8 mpg, 2.0 pts,1.2 reb, 0.3 asssists, 0.2 steals, 0.5 to, 31.4% FG, 42.9% FT and 22.2% 3PT.
Not hardly in line with the talent of our Jalen Crutcher!
I would like to see CAG go all in on Seth Towns. So far we haven't even offered and OSU is all over him as are several other P5 schools.
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Seth Towns is from Columbus, Ohio and graduated from basketball power Northland High School. Archie Miller's first recruit in 2012 was Jalen Robinson and his second was Devon Scott. Both were from Northland High School but we all know how that worked out! This kid is far more mature as he went to Harvard and exhibited leadership qualities there. Hopefully, his knee injury will not rear its ugly head again.
Used to be we didn't stand a chance to get a player of Seth's caliber against the likes of Duke, Ohio State and several others but I'd like to see us strike while the iron is hot! He would know that with Mikesell and Landers's gone he could be a starter from day one at SF.
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Unless things have changed, Seth Towns has already announced his final 5 and UD isn't on the list.
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Towns is picking between the Buckeyes, Kansas, Virginia, Syracuse, Michigan and Maryland.
Per OSU source today
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Oh well, like many have us have said before, me included, in AG we trust! He definitely knows how to identify players who he feels will fit the present culture. Sounds like Seth Towns is out of the picture!
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Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer
I thought you were serious but you must have been kidding! Following are the 6'4" SG (which we don't need) statistics: Played in 21 games (out of 33). Averaged 7.8 mpg, 2.0 pts,1.2 reb, 0.3 asssists, 0.2 steals, 0.5 to, 31.4% FG, 42.9% FT and 22.2% 3PT.
Not hardly in line with the talent of our Jalen Crutcher!
I would like to see CAG go all in on Seth Towns. So far we haven't even offered and OSU is all over him as are several other P5 schools.
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Could imagine if you were Donnie Jones? Going from Jalen Crutcher to Jalen Crutchfield. Poor kid probably got called the wrong name all season.
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Assuming that Johnson is not coming back, and now that we know for sure that Toppin is gone, we have 11 scholarships spoken for at this point.
Jordy Tshimanga
Jhery Matos
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
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Koby Brea
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I see Rodney, Jalen and Ibi as starters, with the rest wide open at this point. I like Nwokeji for his all around skills. Our frontcourt is the big mystery.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
Assuming that Johnson is not coming back, and now that we know for sure that Toppin is gone, we have 11 scholarships spoken for at this point.
Jordy Tshimanga
Jhery Matos
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
Zimifie Nwokeji
Luke Frazier
Koby Brea
RJ Blakney
I see Rodney, Jalen and Ibi as starters, with the rest wide open at this point. I like Nwokeji for his all around skills. Our frontcourt is the big mystery.
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Dream scenario: Add either Brandon Johnson or Jalen Tate for the 2021 run and Allen Griffin as a catalyst for the new era starting 2022.
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Dream scenario: Add either Brandon Johnson or Jalen Tate for the 2021 run and Allen Griffin as a catalyst for the new era starting 2022.
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Five or our top six three point shooters should be back.
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I don't think I'm breaking any news here, but no matter who joins this offseason, we're going to need at least one of Brea, Frazier, Nwokeji or Blakney to pop if this train is going to keep rolling. Here's hoping we see one or two break onto the scene in 20-21.
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Five or our top six three point shooters should be back.
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Yes, and that’s the good news. The bad news is, we had 3 guys who collected more than 100 rebounds last season: 2 of them used the last of their eligibility, and the 3rd will probably hear his name called in the first hour of the NBA draft. So, we need a few guys who can rebound. But yes, we definitely have guys who can shoot.
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Yes, and that’s the good news. The bad news is, we had 3 guys who collected more than 100 rebounds last season: 2 of them used the last of their eligibility, and the 3rd will probably hear his name called in the first hour of the NBA draft. So, we need a few guys who can rebound. But yes, we definitely have guys who can shoot.
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The point on rebounding is a good one, but the 2020 team wasn't an especially strong rebounding unit, ranking 224th in the country. Tshimanga actually posted the best TR% on the squad. I think we'll see Ibi's rebounding numbers bump up, and I think Tshimanga, Sissoko and whoever plays the 4 will more than replace the loss of Landers, Toppin and Mikesell.
We'll miss those guys a lot, but I expect the 21 team to actually be a better rebounding squad statistically.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
Assuming that Johnson is not coming back, and now that we know for sure that Toppin is gone, we have 11 scholarships spoken for at this point.
Jordy Tshimanga
Jhery Matos
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
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I see Rodney, Jalen and Ibi as starters, with the rest wide open at this point. I like Nwokeji for his all around skills. Our frontcourt is the big mystery.
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I see a NCAAT likely roster there. The NCAAT is a MUST HAVE for us next year. Otherwise we'll be seen as a flash in the pan lucky to stumble into signing a "below the radar" Obi Toppin.
I think sustained success is our only ticket to national prominence and moving to a better conference. We need to roll off several NCAAT invites in a row (again) to catch the eye of the casual fan and that includes the HS basketball hi-po kids. I think we're still a bit away from attracting the recruits we need.
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Originally Posted by flyer016
The point on rebounding is a good one, but the 2020 team wasn't an especially strong rebounding unit, ranking 224th in the country. Tshimanga actually posted the best TR% on the squad. I think we'll see Ibi's rebounding numbers bump up, and I think Tshimanga, Sissoko and whoever plays the 4 will more than replace the loss of Landers, Toppin and Mikesell.
We'll miss those guys a lot, but I expect the 21 team to actually be a better rebounding squad statistically.
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I hope this is the case but I'd feel more comfortable with a grad transfer
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Originally Posted by flyer016
The point on rebounding is a good one, but the 2020 team wasn't an especially strong rebounding unit, ranking 224th in the country. Tshimanga actually posted the best TR% on the squad. I think we'll see Ibi's rebounding numbers bump up, and I think Tshimanga, Sissoko and whoever plays the 4 will more than replace the loss of Landers, Toppin and Mikesell.
We'll miss those guys a lot, but I expect the 21 team to actually be a better rebounding squad statistically.
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The 2020 team did not emphasize rebounding. They gave up a few because Obi leaked out quite a bit. Without Obi, I could see going back to a team that emphasizes rebounding much more or maybe not - don't know if one of the new guys will replace Obi's ability to do that.
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I hope this is the case but I'd feel more comfortable with a grad transfer
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Kevin Marfo, Quinnipiac forward, who led the nation at 13.3 rebounds is available! In AG we trust. He knows we need to improve our rebounding numbers from this season. Maybe Jordy and Moulaye will surprise us and get a lot of rebounds!
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Kevin Marfo, Quinnipiac forward, who led the nation at 13.3 rebounds is available! In AG we trust. He knows we need to improve our rebounding numbers from this season. Maybe Jordy and Moulaye will surprise us and get a lot of rebounds!
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I see a NCAAT likely roster there. The NCAAT is a MUST HAVE for us next year. Otherwise we'll be seen as a flash in the pan lucky to stumble into signing a "below the radar" Obi Toppin.
I think sustained success is our only ticket to national prominence and moving to a better conference. We need to roll off several NCAAT invites in a row (again) to catch the eye of the casual fan and that includes the HS basketball hi-po kids. I think we're still a bit away from attracting the recruits we need.
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Next year will be a big year for the program (and I think we'll surprise people again). But for the foreseeable future, Grant will have to be creative in his recruiting. Even Gonzaga, until really recently, has never recruited with the blue bloods. They've always recruited the Pacific Northwest really well and frequently identified foreign players that were good fits. Last year, they had a top 10 class and the year prior it was 13, but other than that it's pretty lean rankings-wise. I think if Grant's going to build anything remotely comparable, it'll have to be a similar mix of loyalty, development and culture. Obi's success isn't going to magically turn Dayton into a recruiting juggernaut. Best case scenario is grabbing the occasional local guy, like Shawn Phillips or Paul McMillan, and finding a recruiting niche (whether that be Dominican players or Australian players or whatever). Recruiting success isn't going happen overnight. Fortunately, I think Grant might be the right kind of guy to build a program grounded in a solid culture.
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Next year will be a big year for the program (and I think we'll surprise people again). But for the foreseeable future, Grant will have to be creative in his recruiting. Even Gonzaga, until really recently, has never recruited with the blue bloods. They've always recruited the Pacific Northwest really well and frequently identified foreign players that were good fits. Last year, they had a top 10 class and the year prior it was 13, but other than that it's pretty lean rankings-wise. I think if Grant's going to build anything remotely comparable, it'll have to be a similar mix of loyalty, development and culture. Obi's success isn't going to magically turn Dayton into a recruiting juggernaut. Best case scenario is grabbing the occasional local guy, like Shawn Phillips or Paul McMillan, and finding a recruiting niche (whether that be Dominican players or Australian players or whatever). Recruiting success isn't going happen overnight. Fortunately, I think Grant might be the right kind of guy to build a program grounded in a solid culture.
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I agree with this. I did a break down of 24/7's recruit rankings for Gonzaga and it took them 6 to 7 years of sustained success before they even got the occasional top 100 guy.
I think the name of the game in recruiting is going to able to evaluation. Most of the guys UD is going to get are going to be 2/3 stars guys. It's figuring out who's the next Jalen Crutcher or Scoochie Smith out of the masses of 3 stars
There's talent out there in the recruiting pool that UD swims in, it's all about IDing it
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We may be selling Sissoko short when it comes to rebounding. I was under the impression he was a beast on the boards but raw offensively. Nonetheless, he had some big-time offers, including Cincy, Xavier, Penn State, Mississippi State and several other P5 teams. Here’s a Twitter link that attests to his offensive rebounding:
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We may be selling Sissoko short when it comes to rebounding. I was under the impression he was a beast on the boards but raw offensively. Nonetheless, he had some big-time offers, including Cincy, Xavier, Penn State, Mississippi State and several other P5 teams. Here’s a Twitter link that attests to his offensive rebounding:
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I think Sissoko has a chance to be good but big guys usually have learning curve to college game. I hope he's great off of the bat but I would think like most freshman bigs he's gonna have some issues with foul trouble, positioning, etc.
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We may be selling Sissoko short when it comes to rebounding. I was under the impression he was a beast on the boards but raw offensively. Nonetheless, he had some big-time offers, including Cincy, Xavier, Penn State, Mississippi State and several other P5 teams. Here’s a Twitter link that attests to his offensive rebounding:
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I think you're right. I think Sissoko is going to be a contributor from the get-go. He looked more nimble than I anticipated in the exhibition game. Granted it was Cedarville, but he showed off some offensive game en route to 12 and 9.
It'd be a tremendous shot in the arm for the 20 season if Sissoko and Tshimanga can split the minutes at the 5 and anchor the defense and clean up the boards. Any offense would be a plus.
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I agree with this. I did a break down of 24/7's recruit rankings for Gonzaga and it took them 6 to 7 years of sustained success before they even got the occasional top 100 guy.
I think the name of the game in recruiting is going to able to evaluation. Most of the guys UD is going to get are going to be 2/3 stars guys. It's figuring out who's the next Jalen Crutcher or Scoochie Smith out of the masses of 3 stars
There's talent out there in the recruiting pool that UD swims in, it's all about IDing it
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Yep, identifying the right guys and getting buy-in. That's the only way it's going to work. The 18 season was a rough one, but I was really encourage that Grant was more committed to his culture than taking some cheap wins with guys that were going to be a net-negative on the program. It seemed to pay off this year. That was elite team chemistry, and the guys seem to genuinely like each other, and it shows on the floor. That's the little extra that doesn't show up in recruiting rankings but can keep a program near the top of the conference rankings year-in year-out.
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I think Sissoko has a chance to be good but big guys usually have learning curve to college game. I hope he's great off of the bat but I would think like most freshman bigs he's gonna have some issues with foul trouble, positioning, etc.
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Yea, but I don’t really consider him a “freshman” since he’s been with the program an entire year and practicing against Obi and the other bigs.
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I'm gonna miss Landers. He was Mr. Consistency and found a way to do something vital in every game. I especially loved his versatility in guarding just about anyone on the floor. Our defense switched on everything last year. I wonder if that is a formula that Grant wants to stick with. You need some versatile players for that.
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Lindy's magazine was very high on Sissoko this year (if that means anything). Among the newcomers they had him as the second best rebounder after Tre Mitchell. They also mentioned him behind Mitchell as one of the best newcomers along with Nah'Shon Hyland of VCU. Let's hope he can start out strong after a redshirt year.
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I think Mou will be good. He was one of the best rebounding recruits coming out last year. Let's hope he continues to develop and figured out his positioning this year while learning. I think we will continue to likely spread out the floor with 3 solid shooters a Shooter/Slasher and a big. Depth will be huge again next year.
I really think we will have a solid crew. Matos was a decent rebounder/min contributor
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Is there a lineup mix that would enable Chatman, Crutcher, and Cohill on the floor at the same time? After his two-game sit-down, he came on surprisingly strong.
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Is there a lineup mix that would enable Chatman, Crutcher, and Cohill on the floor at the same time? After his two-game sit-down, he came on surprisingly strong.
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agreed, I think there is no way on the Lord's green earth
that Watson is NOT in the starting lineup....
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Could play 4 guards and one big
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Add Watson as a fourth, and agree, he will surely be a starter. That would be a very interesting lineup. I believe there are times when speed trumps size.
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I think Mou will be good. He was one of the best rebounding recruits coming out last year. Let's hope he continues to develop and figured out his positioning this year while learning. I think we will continue to likely spread out the floor with 3 solid shooters a Shooter/Slasher and a big. Depth will be huge again next year.
I really think we will have a solid crew. Matos was a decent rebounder/min contributor
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I was impressed with Sissoko in the brief time that we saw him in the exhibition game. Just brace yourself for hearing, "But the competition was not that good." I don't think the competition was that far off a lower level A10 team.
Maybe we should have had an intrasquad scrimmage. Then, we would have been scrimmaging against the #3 team in the country.
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Add Watson as a fourth, and agree, he will surely be a starter. That would be a very interesting lineup. I believe there are times when speed trumps size.
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Cohill did a nice job defensively on Charlie Brown from St. Joe's his freshman year who's 6'6
Possible to play 4 guards and have Cohill/Watson guard front court players
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
Cohill did a nice job defensively on Charlie Brown from St. Joe's his freshman year who's 6'6
Possible to play 4 guards and have Cohill/Watson guard front court players
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he kept pulling the ball away from Charlie Brown
at the last second...)
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
Cohill did a nice job defensively on Charlie Brown from St. Joe's his freshman year who's 6'6
Possible to play 4 guards and have Cohill/Watson guard front court players
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I think 4 guard lineups may work in the A10 and or early non conference but I doubt we do it any game early in the season that has meaning. Running out Chatman, Cohill, and Crutcher puts us at a pretty significant height disadvantage.
Ibi is a solid 6'5 guy but only averaged 2.4 rebounds in 23 mins/game. I'm hoping we can get that number up to 4-5 per game this year. If Mou or Zimi absolutely wipe the glass, then maybe we'll see it more often
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I'm gonna miss Landers. He was Mr. Consistency and found a way to do something vital in every game. I especially loved his versatility in guarding just about anyone on the floor. Our defense switched on everything last year. I wonder if that is a formula that Grant wants to stick with. You need some versatile players for that.
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I think AG has recruited "versatile". Just can't recruit another Landers. Just like Obi, that package just isn't on a shelf to be picked.
But we can replace the pieces with several players contributing. Zimi could be the charisma kind of player Trey is. We could use that "enforcer/attitude" player like Nate Green, Charles Little-type guy. Once again I look first at Moulaye.
AG has to work around the skills he recruited, and he has proven to be good at it.
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Originally Posted by EliteEight
Ibi is a solid 6'5 guy but only averaged 2.4 rebounds in 23 mins/game. I'm hoping we can get that number up to 4-5 per game this year. My Mou or Zimi absolutely wipe the glass, then maybe we'll see it more often
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With Landers, Obi, Ryan and Crutcher pulling down 23+ rebounds a game, there was nothing but crumbs left for the rest. I don't think rebounding was high on Ibi's list. He was there to light up the offense, play good defense, and take care of the ball.
With Ibi's lift, next year I could see him replacing Ryan's numbers on the boards. Rebounding may take on a new emphasis in his job description.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
With Landers, Obi, Ryan and Crutcher pulling down 23+ rebounds a game, there was nothing but crumbs left for the rest. I don't think rebounding was high on Ibi's list. He was there to light up the offense, play good defense, and take care of the ball.
With Ibi's lift, next year I could see him replacing Ryan's numbers on the boards. Rebounding may take on a new emphasis in his job description.
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I think we'll see an all-new Ibi next year, due to a role change. I would imagine he'll be a focal point next season, and I'm envisioning a Charles Cooke-type senior year. Higher usage rate, more points, more boards, more presence.
Whether Ibi makes that leap, whether he's comfortable doing more, whether he can remain as efficient will be one of the keys to next season. We need Ibi or Crutcher, or some combination of both, to step forward and become the alpha, the center of gravity on offense.
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RJ Blakney hailed as 3rd best player in New England prep. Very impressive shooting numbers. He’s ranked ahead of most of the higher division players. We are getting a good one here.
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The blurb on Blakeney, listed as 6'6":
After missing the majority of the ’18-’19 season due to injury, Blakeny arrived in New England with far less fan fare than most. But by the time he left Loomis, you’d be hard-pressed to find anyone who made a bigger impression on the region’s hoop scene this season. The future-Dayton wing avg’d 20.9 Pts/6.5 Reb/2.3 Ast/1.1 Stl while shooting 57.8% FG/82% FT to lead Loomis to the 2020 NEPSAC-A Championship
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My take:
*Crutcher will be Crutcher; whether his numbers get better or a little less than this year, he will be a better overall player.
*Ibi will be better all around and might well be our leading scorer.
*Chatman showed signs at the end of the season and I think he'll be better and his scoring should increase significantly.
*Jordy has to be better than he was this year; I think he'll be able to score in the post when he is the focus. If not he will see limited minutes again.
*Cohill, nowhere to go but up after this year. Defense will still be solid but will need to show he can score more or else limited minutes again. Have to think he will be able to score because he knew how in high school.
*Matos will be similar to this year and not expecting much more, although his stroke from 3 did look good so maybe with more meaningful minutes he can be a sneaky scorer.
*Sissoko will be a beast is my best guess. He'll have a learning curve but fully expect him to be a big part of the rotation.
*Frosh I have no idea but would think one of them, probably Zimi or Blakney will be a contributor.
I think we win the A10 again and make the NCAA tourney. Just my early prediction.
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IMO, People are going to be surprised by both Zimi and Moulaye next year. And don't forget, in his one start, Watson scored 31. He's perfectly capabile of putting up 15-20/gm without having to take a ton of shots to do it. Jordy will continue to improve, but he's not going to be a lot more than he is. Mostly, I expect fewer fouls so more court time. The offense isn't really designed to pound it down low and he doesn't have a bunch of moves even if we did. RJ will provide some depth off bench. Cohill will improve again, but will primarily earn his minutes off defense. If he can contribute 5-6 PPG, that's enough.
If I had to pick a starting 5 today, just based on the way our offense runs, it would be
Crutcher
Chatman
Watson
Nwokje
Sissoko or Tshimanga
Good minutes off bench from Cohill, probably first off bench to spell Crutcher or Chatman . Then Sissoko/TShimanga based on who doesn't start. Plenty of opportunity for Blakney, Brea, and Frazier too.
Will be really interesting to see if we run a very similar offense with Zimi playing the Obi role. He seems to have the athleticism to do it. Really glad that he left Spire and came to UD early. Will give him a huge head start on being ready for next year.
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I think based off what recruiting activity there's been this off season there has to be some confidence in Zimi and Sissoko.
The coaches have to have some read on what those guys are capable of practice. If they were worried about the front court I would have expected the staff to be targeting front court players on the JUCO/Transfer market
Everything I've seen here and Twitter is they've reached out wing/guard types on the transfer market
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
I think based off what recruiting activity there's been this off season there has to be some confidence in Zimi and Sissoko.
The coaches have to have some read on what those guys are capable of practice. If they were worried about the front court I would have expected the staff to be targeting front court players on the JUCO/Transfer market
Everything I've seen here and Twitter is they've reached out wing/guard types on the transfer market
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This is true. Maybe Blakney/Zimi/Moulaye are monsters on the glass. We don't need 6'9 guys everywhere to rebound.
Look at SLU for a recent example French and Godwin. French is 6'7 ish and Godwin is 6'3. Absolute monsters on the glass.
I swear when Tillman was at VCU his last two years he averaged 15 rpg against us and he was 6'7 or so
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The one exception to my post above is if Brandon Johnson qualifies as a grad transfer and comes here. That could make next year very interesting.
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I think we'll know how the coaching staff feels about the 2021 frontcourt by what they do in the transfer season. I think there's a A10 champion capable team in the 11 on the current roster. So I would probably focus on one or two sit-out transfers to help ease the 2022 season when there will be as many as five first- or second-year players. But the coaches may feel differently and pursue a grad transfer to give the 2021 seniors a better chance to go out strong.
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The one exception to my post above is if Brandon Johnson qualifies as a grad transfer and comes here. That could make next year very interesting.
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I think Johnson could be the five-out offense five. Can switch on defense and doesn't need to hang around the paint on offense. He's not Obi, but he can fit into those Obi-sized gaps.
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I think we'll know how the coaching staff feels about the 2021 frontcourt by what they do in the transfer season. I think there's a A10 champion capable team in the 11 on the current roster. So I would probably focus on one or two sit-out transfers to help ease the 2022 season when there will be as many as five first- or second-year players. But the coaches may feel differently and pursue a grad transfer to give the 2021 seniors a better chance to go out strong.
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I think with the transience of the current basketball landscape, you push your chips in every year. There's no saying what the roster will look like in two seasons (especially with the new transfer rules considerations). The 21 roster needs more size. They should bring in some length or bulk and shoot for a 30-win season, because they've got a 30-win backcourt.
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...I think with the transience of the current basketball landscape, you push your chips in every year. There's no saying what the roster will look like in two seasons (especially with the new transfer rules considerations). The 21 roster needs more size. They should bring in some length or bulk and shoot for a 30-win season, because they've got a 30-win backcourt.
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To the degree that program culture isn’t compromised, I agree with this assessment. Plus, it’s important to try to secure an NCAA tournament bid in ‘21, to prove that 2019-20 wasn’t just a 1-Hit Wonder. Now, I’m not expecting a 29-2 regular season next year, but 25-6 or 24-7 would sure be nice, and if we can add some more front court depth in the form of a solid grad transfer, then that would help ensure a “return trip” to The Dance.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
To the degree that program culture isn’t compromised, I agree with this assessment. Plus, it’s important to try to secure an NCAA tournament bid in ‘21, to prove that 2019-20 wasn’t just a 1-Hit Wonder. Now, I’m not expecting a 29-2 regular season next year, but 25-6 or 24-7 would sure be nice, and if we can add some more front court depth in the form of a solid grad transfer, then that would help ensure a “return trip” to The Dance.
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Right on. There's a calculus to developing a stable program and a cohesive roster. Ideally, you'll do the majority of your work recruiting high school athletes. But when graduate transfers, sit-out transfers, prep school kids that won't qualify academically appear at the right time, bring them on board (assuming the character checks out and there's buy-in).
Bottom line, when you see a window, go for it.
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11 guys on the roster now. Seems like a reasonable possibility that 2 transfers could come on board
if 13 guys are on scholarship next I'd have to think a reasonable chance that maybe there's a couple redshirts
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I actually believe that another spot will open. Matos, I just dont see where any minutes come from. So 3 transfers with at least 1 playing this year and 2 P5 to start the backcourt rebuild.
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I actually believe that another spot will open. Matos, I just dont see where any minutes come from. So 3 transfers with at least 1 playing this year and 2 P5 to start the backcourt rebuild.
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I could see Matos leaving to get started on his pro career but I wonder if the state of the world these days keeps him around for an extra year
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Originally Posted by Fudd
Assuming that Johnson is not coming back, and now that we know for sure that Toppin is gone, we have 11 scholarships spoken for at this point.
Jordy Tshimanga
Jhery Matos
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
Zimifie Nwokeji
Luke Frazier
Koby Brea - RS?
RJ Blakney
I see Rodney, Jalen and Ibi as starters, with the rest wide open at this point. I like Nwokeji for his all around skills. Our frontcourt is the big mystery.
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OK, with Jhery putting his name out there for transfer, here is the current situation:
Jordy Tshimanga
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
Zimifie Nwokeji
Luke Frazier
Koby Brea - RS?
RJ Blakney
With three open scholarships for 2020-21
On John Huston's recruiting page, I see he has Koby Brea listed as a redshirt. Is that official? Not sure If I missed that.
https://sites.google.com/site/udhoopsrecruiting/
Also, I found this on our new guys next year. Not sure if it has already been posted. Good stuff. take a look at the link below.
https://www.a10talk.com/updated-look...ruiting-class/
Frazier looks really offensively talented to me.
By the way, that 2nd link is a new A10 message forum. I'm not much of a fan of the basketball boards A10 forum, so maybe this is a potential better place to chat with other A10 fans. Looks like it has not been located by the masses out there yet.
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Originally Posted by Fudd
OK, with Jhery putting his name out there for transfer, here is the current situation:
Jordy Tshimanga
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
Zimifie Nwokeji
Luke Frazier
Koby Brea
RJ Blakney
With three open scholarships for 2020-21
On John Huston's recruiting page, I see he has Koby Brea listed as a redshirt. Is that official? Not sure If I missed that.
https://sites.google.com/site/udhoopsrecruiting/
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It won't be official until the season, but I believe when he committed he did so with the intention of redshirting instead of going the prep school route since he is very young for his grade.
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OK, with Jhery putting his name out there for transfer, here is the current situation:
Jordy Tshimanga
Ibi Watson
Jalen Crutcher
Rodney Chatman
Dwayne Cohill
Moulaye Sissoko
Zimifie Nwokeji
Luke Frazier
Koby Brea
RJ Blakney
With three open scholarships for 2020-21
On John Huston's recruiting page, I see he has Koby Brea listed as a redshirt. Is that official? Not sure If I missed that.
https://sites.google.com/site/udhoopsrecruiting/
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To break that down further, that means we have:
-4 Seniors
-1 Junior
-0 Sophomores
-5 Freshmen
A golden opportunity for 1 front court Grad Transfer and 2 “Sit 1 Play 2” guys to become Juniors to follow Cohill in his Senior year. And, we’d still have 5 ‘ships to offer for 2021-22 (which could include any combination of High School, Prep School, “Sit 1” Transfers, and Grad Transfers).
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It won't be official until the season, but I believe when he committed he did so with the intention of redshirting instead of going the prep school route since he is very young for his age.
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He's young for his age? Is that anything like, " I was big when I was little"?
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. . . he is very young for his age.
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He's young for his age? Is that anything like, "I was big when I was little"?
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He's young for his age? Is that anything like, "I was big when I was little"?
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Or, Yogi trying to play left field at Yankee Stadium in the shadows. "It gets late early out there."
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I have little doubt that he could play professionally somewhere. There are many different levels out there, not all pay much if you wanted. He also gets the benefit that he's Dominican, many rosters included limitations on the number of "americans" they are allowed to have, so there may be opportunities for a player like Jherry that wouldn't be available to someone like Mikesell.
Also, not everyone wants to go thru the grind of playing in far flung places; I'm sure Mikesell has opportunities outside of basketball that are better both short term and long term than some of the basketball opportunities he will have. He's a smart kid, seems like a hard worker, has some grad school experience, perhaps even close to graduating grad school, the world is his oyster.
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Certainly depends on your contacts, too. There's multiple pro leagues all over the world...If you're an athlete, have some size and have even had a few moments in the sun then there's a job for most IF "said" person is willing to make that commitment to moving anywhere in the world, for an extended period of time as in even years and potentially playing for very very very little.
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Flyers look to be 2-deep at each position next year... would seem to give the coaching staff plenty of options when considering transfers/grad transfers:
Jordy Tshimanga (Moulaye Sissoko)
Zimifie Nwokeji (RJ Blakney)
Ibi Watson (Luke Frazier)
Jalen Crutcher (Koby Brea)
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Originally Posted by Runnin' Rebel
Flyers look to be 2-deep at each position next year... would seem to give the coaching staff plenty of options when considering transfers/grad transfers:
Jordy Tshimanga (Moulaye Sissoko)
Zimifie Nwokeji (RJ Blakney)
Ibi Watson (Luke Frazier)
Jalen Crutcher (Koby Brea)
Rodney Chatman (Dwayne Cohill)
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Two-deep, numbers-wise, but I don't know that I'd call that roster 10-deep. It's 10 players, to be sure, but we have no idea what any of the freshmen are, and to assume one position will be manned wholly by two complete unknowns is a problem.
I'd say that roster, as presently constructed, is especially problematic given the guard talent. It'd be one thing to grown and learn with freshmen forwards if you were breaking in a new backcourt as well. It's another thing entirely to have an all-conference backcourt and uncertainty elsewhere.
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We thought we would have depth this year. Turned out to be one great bench guy, three maybes and one who left. We can judge it about Christmas.
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Originally Posted by flyer016
Two-deep, numbers-wise, but I don't know that I'd call that roster 10-deep. It's 10 players, to be sure, but we have no idea what any of the freshmen are, and to assume one position will be manned wholly by two complete unknowns is a problem.
I'd say that roster, as presently constructed, is especially problematic given the guard talent. It'd be one thing to grown and learn with freshmen forwards if you were breaking in a new backcourt as well. It's another thing entirely to have an all-conference backcourt and uncertainty elsewhere.
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We will know soon enough if it is actually problematic or just typical fan paranoia. We heard these same concerns 2 years ago when AG didn’t land a GT big because we had no height or size but that year turned out plenty well with much less known talent than next year’s team has. AG clearly knew what he had and needed.
I figure at most AG uses 2 of the 3 now available. If none of the last ones used are available next year you’ll have his answer to what we have and need. Just because MS and Zimi are mostly unknown to us doesn’t translate to those seeing these guys every day for quite some time now.
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Won't know until season starts if Brea will redshirt. I would consider him not red-shirting until they announce something
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Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer
We will know soon enough if it is actually problematic or just typical fan paranoia. We heard these same concerns 2 years ago when AG didn’t land a GT big because we had no height or size but that year turned out plenty well with much less known talent than next year’s team has. AG clearly knew what he had and needed.
I figure at most AG uses 2 of the 3 now available. If none of the last ones used are available next year you’ll have his answer to what we have and need. Just because MS and Zimi are mostly unknown to us doesn’t translate to those seeing these guys every day for quite some time now.
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No doubt the staff has a better understanding of Sissoko and Nwokeji than we do, and if they decide not to bring anyone else on board, that could mean anywhere on the spectrum of: A) they're confident in what they have, to Z) they tried but whiffed.
I don't think it's paranoia to wonder whether going into next season with a front-line of a foul-prone senior, a redshirt freshman, a 1/2 redshirt freshman and a true freshman to man the two frontcourt spots is ideal.
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
Won't know until season starts if Brea will redshirt. I would consider him not red-shirting until they announce something
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Brea's high school coach or AAU coach kind of did when he signed. He said he told Brea that redshirting at Dayton would be better for him than going to a prep school. At this point, I would do the opposite and consider him a RS until he isn't.
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AG's willing to redshirt people as we've seen with the initial plan with Frankie and this year with Sissoko.
With 10 guys on the roster now and potentially more on the way I wouldn't be surprised at second redshirt besides Brea
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
AG's willing to redshirt people as we've seen with the initial plan with Frankie and this year with Sissoko.
With 10 guys on the roster now and potentially more on the way I wouldn't be surprised at second redshirt besides Brea
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I think a 2nd redshirt is contingent on having a grad transfer sign. We can’t go into this coming year with the expectation of being 8-deep.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
I think a 2nd red shirt is contingent on having a grad transfer sign. We can’t go into this coming year with the expectation of being 8-deep.
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Expectation---no. Preparation---yes. If you look at the number of players that played 8 minutes/game or more, Coach developed his bench to play minutes that counted to relieve the starters. AG is selling minutes to recruits. He can say we played 10 players with 8 minutes or more on a team that went 29-2. That says if you are a player, you will get minutes regardless of what class you are in.
AG will have the talent to replicate that formula. Case in point is Chase. We would have expected him to be healthy, but were prepared for him to be physically unable to perform.
Did not expect Matos to leave, but prepared to cover him with a better transfer or recruit.
That process is perpetual in today's rosters.
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I love how Frazier can finish with both hands. And it's not just traditional lay-ups. He hit's scoop shots with both hands. I'm also really impressed that he can dribble behind the back on both sides. That is not easy to do well. That move is really hard to defend.
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He really elevates on his pull-up jumper. He is one of those guys who can always get a shot off.
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