LaSalle game

[Avid Flyer]

Its for keeps now, can't take a day off as the A-10 season begins today. LaSalle is 3-4 and has 9 players 6 ft or over. Bigs got to show up today and help the guards, inside out.

Lets start the A-10 season with a resounding "W". Go Flyers!

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[soccerflyer]

La Salle's wins came against teams in the high 200's RPI. They are not world beaters. They are only slightly improved from last year's 5-25 record team. They have one single offensive threat in Amy Griffin plus only one capable shooter who is from distance over 25%. Take those parts of their game away and they are generally a less than 60 pt offense that doesn't turn the ball over too often but takes too many poor shots.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[soccerflyer]

Anyone have insight as to why this game is being played a month earlier than the rest of A10's?

[Barney Sentner]

Every team is playing one early season conference game such as Fordham clobbering Duquesne

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Avid Flyer]

Wow don't know what to say, we still have offensive troubles. 0-6 at the free throw line. Austria probably her worst performance this year so far, need her to come back the second half.

Scoring so far 12 for Burdette, 10 for SGA and 2 for Wilmoth rest of the team is 0 for 14.

Lauren is 0 for 5. Certainly not what would be expected from the rookie of the year. Again Lauren is taking the bulk of the shots and not hitting one of them. She is 0-5 in 9 minutes.

[maddog07]

We have so many problems its hard to pinpoint just one but what we need most is a scorer, someone who can get a shot when they want to create one. we don't have a go to player, just a collection of role players.

It will be a miracle if we finish with a winning record this year.

[UDBrian]

WOW

Jenna and Saicha are a combined 10 of 13. The rest of the team is 1 for 17

[maddog07]

A battle of two terrible teams is what we have today.

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by maddog07 We have so many problems its hard to pinpoint just one but what we need most is a scorer, someone who can get a shot when they want to create one. we don't have a go to player, just a collection of role players. It will be a miracle if we finish with a winning record this year.

I think Jenna is a tremendous point guard and even though she is having a poor game Kelley is a good shooting guard. But, they need some help. Grant-Allen had a good first half, wish we could bottle that

[maddog07]

Quite a finish, to's, can't get a basket, a make a free throw, or score the basketball down the stretch. 51 points at home won't cut it. Major changes are in order to have any hope of stopping what is now officially a flaming trainwreck of a season and a program going back to last year.

[Chris R]

When you have bigs that miss a half dozen point blank 1ft layups, miss half of your foul shots, give up a foul on the second of two missed foul shots and then concede a basket, foul with 2 seconds on the shot clock twice, dont rebound at all, toss the ball across court and into press row, get beat on hustling down court defensively for transition stick-backs, inexcusable charges into 3 defenders in the final 2 minutes on a fast break when you have a wide open 3pt shooter, miss three foul shots in a row after being gifted with a lane violation, have bigs with no strength to establish position in the low block 5ft from the basket to accept an entry pass, can't shoot, etc, you are what you are and probably won't beat Incarnation 6th graders.

LaSalle is a better basketball team. The coaches and players may not want to hear that, but the eyes dont lie. They are more physical, rebound better, and hustle much better. Now, LaSalle is terrible, but the are a better overall team.

One of the most inept, lethargic, wimpy, humiliating performances in UDWBB in the last decade. Oh how the mighty have fallen.

Unfortunately, like I said in listening to the Bahamas games on the radio, you may need to get used to it b/c if it sounds brutal over the radio, it must be worse in person. And after the Morgan State game when nothing was redeeming but the final score. And I would not dismiss the possibility that it may get worse before it gets better. Much of it comes down to basic elementary basketball fundamentals and we have nil. You basically dont trip over untied shoelaces today and you win by 25.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Avid Flyer]

Don't quite understand the coaching decision to not full court press down 1 or push them out at the top with only seconds remaining. We instead let them run down the clock. Poor coaching decision or a lack of confidence in the team?

Without some major changes this team is going nowhere fast.

Can't say I've ever seen a team loaded with so much individual talent unable to work together.

[Avid Flyer]

If the team continues on this past they will make the pre season prediction look guy, UD will indeed finish second......last, unless....

Right now I am beginning to wonder if Jabir had some insight into what he would have to work with, and a continuation form last seasons dismal finish.

No matter what, this is unacceptable UD womens basketball.

[UDBrian]

It is obvious that some of the experienced players are not living up to expectations, particularly the bigs. They have been given plenty of opportunities

It is a shame that Madeline Blais became sick, her outside shooting and experience could have helped this team. Last time I will mention it, you need to go with what you have

The good news is that there are scholarships available. Shauna needs to convince some good players that this is a bump in the road and they can get early playing time. The fast paced style of play will help atract good, athletic players

I wonder if coach Jabir felt that he wouldn't survive another season like last year

[jack72]

Something went rotten in river city last year, and it has continued on its road south. No help on the way with only one recruit, and little chance of luring players with this kind of team. At some point we have to hope the light goes on for this coaching staff. Coaching is a very tough profession.

[UDBrian]

There is still plenty to sell a recruit, immediate playing time if earned, great support, great playing facilities, great university.

We really need at least two recruits who want to come in and contribute next year. I really like the one young woman coming in.

[UDBrian]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Can't say I've ever seen a team loaded with so much individual talent unable to work together.

I'm never willing to tear down individual players but I don't see the talent that you do. What we really need is for some bigs to start making outside shots and there is nothing to make you think it is going to happen.

I don't think there will be a choice but to play wilmoth more. She is a better athlete than the other bigs. You hope that she gets on a rapid learning curve

[Chris R]

But are they really underachieving? Other than 2-3 players, we knew the rest had massive holes in their games.

10asts, 14TOs. This stat is par for the course every night. Inability to protect the basketball. 14 turnovers in a mid-50s paced game is inexcusable. Should be 7-9 turnovers. 8-20 at the foul line. 37% shooting which is actually right at their season average. Outrebounded again. We have 2 players that shoot better than 73% at the foul line. Two. Our post players shoot a combined 31-60 (.517%) from the foul line.

What you saw today was a very typical performance based on hitting season metrics. That's the scary part.

We can pump the brakes and tell ourselves we're being too harsh, but hey, we didn't set the program minimum/standard. The players/past success did. We are not obligated to evaluate based on a retread program. We're compelled to evaluate based on NCAA at-large standards of play. We're just holding the program to the standard they hold themselves to.

[UDBrian]

I'm not sure anyone on here thinks they are under achieving. When I meant living up to expectations I meant when they were initially recruited, not based upon what I expected this year

I see it pretty much the same way. There were a lot of question marks coming in and there still are. If the opposing team only fears two players they are going to focus on those two players and dare the others to beat them.

[Avid Flyer]

They have to concentrate on more than two players. For example today LaSalle concentrated on Austria, Jenna stepped up. SGA had a better game today but she gets gassed easily. Only use her in short spurts. Andi is giving it her all, it just isn't enough. Maddy Dennis has talent but so far is a bust, its a head case.

Lauren has to realizze she is not Austria and cannot get the same results driving the lane with big trees around her. Kelley has the ability to scoop shots around the trees.

At one point Layfield had 5 turnovers herself. We need more options in the paint and on the perimeter.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Chris R]

I wasnt replying specifically to you Brian. I think we just posted around the same time.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I'm never willing to tear down individual players but I don't see the talent that you do. What we really need is for some bigs to start making outside shots and there is nothing to make you think it is going to happen. I don't think there will be a choice but to play wilmoth more. She is a better athlete than the other bigs. You hope that she gets on a rapid learning curve

We'll have to agree to disagree then cause there is loads of individual talent but are not making good court decisions. Basically, the players don't have faith in each other.

As for coaches, these are the same assistants that have worked with these players and for exception of Ard all were part of the elite 8 run.

This is a case of Shauna maybe taking a chance with the newcomers more, Harris, Wilmoth, and Scaife.

[Avid Flyer]

One thing for sure, we are in uncharted waters, not only loosing an A-10 game we should have won but losing at home.

Time to find out who really wants to play UD basketball.

[UDBrian]

Avid

When I looked at half court stats and see all but two players are 1 of 17 that is alarming. They need to make some shots and right now they aren't looking like they can. The game looks really easy when people make shots, it looks really difficult when they aren't making shots

Based on the previous games focus on Jenna and Kelley. Dare the other players to beat you, that is what I would do. I serously doubt I am giving any secrets away

If Maddy and Ashleigh start to hit their outside shots this becomes a much much better team because it would also free up some space inside

The good thing is that they are playing hard and have cut down on turnovers.

[Avid Flyer]

I agree Brian that 1-17 and that includes Kelly is not a good thing. But that does not mean that the talent is not there, it just means the talent is not performing.

Lauren was rookie of the year last year, you don't win that if you don't have talent. She for what ever reason (maybe still gloating over her ROY) and isn't focused on this season. We know Austria and Jenna have talent.

The team just does not have confidence, nor do the individual players except a few.

Parkinson has yet to show me anything, even wondered how she got a ship. Freshman Giacone hasn't had enough court time to determine if she is D1 material.

With this years team there appears to be a drop off in talent/performance when subs come in. Got to find the right combinations that work well together. We're seeing glimpse of it but then too many TO's.

Free Throws: Jenna and Kelley were just 2 for 8, far below their average.

[Brad S.]

Out-hustled and out-coached is how I would describe this one.

[Sea Bass]

Was at the game, not sure about this team. Maybe Jabir saw this coming and took the exit.

Looks like last year while missing Cannetelli as she is in a slump. Don't see this getting much better. Lasalle was the better team an in the 2nd half really shortened the game and the Flyers let them do it.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[San Diego Flyer]

It's a mistake to think the "will to win" is the issue. It's the staff's job to take the pieces and make each player comfortable in a winning role. These players did not suddenly lose their resume'. They were hand picked by JJ to fit into his system. It's there waiting to be developed. Asking for 110% effort without better direction will just make the herd run off the cliff faster.

[Sea Bass]

chris has nailed it. they can't finish near the rim. Lasalle knew it and was not leaving them open on the perimeter. TOs and point blank misses.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[jack72]

Other than Jenna and Kelley we have no upperclass talent that were highly recruited. The freshmen are a good class, but they are freshmen. They will need several games to figure it out. Kelley is having physical and psychological problems getting back to her old self. It still could happen.

We should have seen this coming with the poor recruiting two, three and four years ago. As Chris points out, almost every kid is a one skill wonder. We need some basketball players.

[UDBrian]

I think that is a good summary. I expect the freshmen to get more and more time.

Does anyone know more about Wilmoth? Is she athletic

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by UDBrian I think that is a good summary. I expect the freshmen to get more and more time. Does anyone know more about Wilmoth? Is she athletic

Heard an announcer stating that her skills were akin to Ally Malot. Just not as skilled and could stretch the four spot. Haven't seen enough yet to see that. Would like to see Gicone get some minutes.

Scaife is the only one I see who can create her own shot.

[UDBrian]

I came to another realization today. I have always been so impressed with the marked improvement shown by the dayton women's players from the season ending to the next season. It started with Jabir's first recruiting class. The improvements made by brittany holterman, Nikki Oakland, Ashley Armstrong, Karah cloxton and others was so obvious when you watched the games early in the season.

I remember talking to Brittany Holterman's parents about her improvement and Brittany's mother said "she worked really hard the entire summer" and the improvement in her shooting was so obvious.

Other than Jenna and Kelley I haven't seen that drastic improvement since their arrival. I do think that Lauren is in a slump or possibly injured and expect her to step up.

[maddog07]

She can create just can't make it go in. She's shooting an abysmal 30 percent from the field and 24%-absolute lowest on the team (among those who have made one) from three, and that's saying something with brick layers like Layfield shooting from deep. So far more a part of the problem than the solution.

[UDBrian]

Lauren played well under duress last year so I hope that she can become part of the solution. I expected her to play well this year after the experience she gained last year.

[Avid Flyer]

Seems several here are of the opinion Jabir may have seen the handwriting on the wall and the possibility/probability of a repeat season was just too much to bear health wise.

Jabir the man and coach we all know and love would never bail out on his players, team or the program and fans. However with losing Madeline Blias could have brought back bad memories and he got stressed out. We know the coaching profession is a tough job and health supersedes all else.

Hope coach Jabir is resting and gaining his health back.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by UDBrian Lauren played well under duress last year so I hope that she can become part of the solution. I expected her to play well this year after the experience she gained last year.

She wouldn't be the first player to undergo the "sophomore slump." I have confidence she'll snap out of it.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by O'side Flyer She wouldn't be the first player to undergo the "sophomore slump." I have confidence she'll snap out of it.

Lauren is a great ft shooter and needs to figure out how to get fouled more often.
She isn't playing d, isn't a rebounder or distributor. 2/3 of her shots are 3's. Unless she hits a high percentage of 3's she adds no value.

[UDBrian]

Next up for the women is Toledo. Right now this would be a GREAT win for the Flyers. Toledo only lost one game to UCLA but even in the loss they made 12-25 three pointers.At least they are not a dominant rebounding team