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Let's hope that the pathetic Media lap dog coverage of BHO ceases as he exists stage LEFT (pun intended) and some semblance of reality seeps into their fevered brains.
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Their most valuable instrument is the U.S. media, much of which reflexively reveres, serves, believes, and sides with hidden intelligence officials. And Democrats, still reeling from their unexpected and traumatic election loss as well as a systemic collapse of their party, seemingly divorced further and further from reason with each passing day, are willing — eager — to embrace any claim, cheer any tactic, align with any villain, regardless of how unsupported, tawdry and damaging those behaviors might be.

The serious dangers posed by a Trump presidency are numerous and manifest. There are a wide array of legitimate and effective tactics for combatting those threats: from bipartisan congressional coalitions and constitutional legal challenges to citizen uprisings and sustained and aggressive civil disobedience. All of those strategies have periodically proven themselves effective in times of political crisis or authoritarian overreach.

But cheering for the CIA and its shadowy allies to unilaterally subvert the U.S. election and impose its own policy dictates on the elected president is both warped and self-destructive. Empowering the very entities that have produced the most shameful atrocities and systemic deceit over the last six decades is desperation of the worst kind. Demanding that evidence-free, anonymous assertions be instantly venerated as Truth — despite emanating from the very precincts designed to propagandize and lie — is an assault on journalism, democracy, and basic human rationality. And casually branding domestic adversaries who refuse to go along as traitors and disloyal foreign operatives is morally bankrupt and certain to backfire on those doing it.

Beyond all that, there is no bigger favor that Trump opponents can do for him than attacking him with such lowly, shabby, obvious shams, recruiting large media outlets to lead the way. When it comes time to expose actual Trump corruption and criminality, who is going to believe the people and institutions who have demonstrated they are willing to endorse any assertions no matter how factually baseless, who deploy any journalistic tactic no matter how unreliable and removed from basic means of ensuring accuracy?

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/11/...as-dems-cheer/
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Obama the Nobel Peace Prize President

Obama the Nobel Peace prize winner - interesting that he appears to be the first two term president that had a war going every year of his presidency.
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Obama the Nobel Peace prize winner - interesting that he appears to be the first two term president that had a war going every year of his presidency.

Not just every year, every single day of his tenure.
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http://www.manilatimes.net/obama-scr...ts-say/306712/

And Trump's predecessor gives the middle finger to Cubans.

"Obama has screwed all Cubans,” Yadiel Cruz, a Cuban in Panama bitterly told Agence France-Presse on Thursday upon learning the US president has suddenly made it tougher for migrants like him to get into America.
The 33-year-old summed up what many compatriots were feeling as they digested the news in a Catholic shelter in Panama’s capital, a waypoint on their overland trek to the United States.


But, he declared, “for me, I’m not going back.”
Around him, dozens of other Cubans expressed sadness or anger.
Much of the fury was directed personally at US President Barack Obama for announcing that he has scrapped, with immediate effect, a 1995 policy that had given near-automatic entry to the US to Cubans who set foot on American soil, regardless of their visa status.
Now, like those who attempted to cross by water, they could face deportation back to Cuba unless they convince US officials they were afraid of being persecuted or had valid humanitarian reasons to be let in."

I wonder what type of restrictions Trump's predecessor will give to the Middle Easterners on his way out the door. <rhetorical>
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I feel like I felt when I was a kid anxiously waiting for Christmas Day to arrive with all the presents.

I can't wait, Trump as POTUS is gonna be great. Very excited.

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http://www.manilatimes.net/obama-scr...ts-say/306712/

And Trump's predecessor gives the middle finger to Cubans.

"Obama has screwed all Cubans,” Yadiel Cruz, a Cuban in Panama bitterly told Agence France-Presse on Thursday upon learning the US president has suddenly made it tougher for migrants like him to get into America.
The 33-year-old summed up what many compatriots were feeling as they digested the news in a Catholic shelter in Panama’s capital, a waypoint on their overland trek to the United States.


But, he declared, “for me, I’m not going back.”
Around him, dozens of other Cubans expressed sadness or anger.
Much of the fury was directed personally at US President Barack Obama for announcing that he has scrapped, with immediate effect, a 1995 policy that had given near-automatic entry to the US to Cubans who set foot on American soil, regardless of their visa status.
Now, like those who attempted to cross by water, they could face deportation back to Cuba unless they convince US officials they were afraid of being persecuted or had valid humanitarian reasons to be let in."

I wonder what type of restrictions Trump's predecessor will give to the Middle Easterners on his way out the door. <rhetorical>
Can't Trump just undo this on Day 1?
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Here is some analysis on the Cuban situation...it puts Trump in an uncomfortable position...Trump does not have a way out, either of the 2 options have negative aspects to them.

Obama may have done this on purpose to try to trap Trump.



http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/1...r-some-reason/:



The political rationale, I assume, is to box Trump in. Ending “wet foot, dry foot” puts him in an awkward position, after all. If he doesn’t reverse Obama’s new policy, he risks irritating the Cuban-Americans who helped hand him last year’s shocking upset in Florida. If he does reverse the policy, he’ll be reinstating special residency privileges for Cubans who are here illegally — not a comfortable position for a border hawk with a populist-nationalist base to take. And if he tries to defend his decision by classifying Cubans as refugees rather than as illegal immigrants, that’ll open him up to questions of why he’d tolerate accepting refugees from Cuba as a matter of course but won’t accept ones from Syria even when they’ve been closely vetted by government agencies.

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ud2, not to pick that nit, but...how are any current Cuban refugees in the US today "illegal" given the "wet foot/dry foot" exemptions that have been in place for years? Given US policy regarding Cubans, none of them should be illegal at this time. As far as the Mideast is concerned...who has claimed that these "refugeees" have been "vetted"? One of the big problems with them is that they haven't been properly and thoroughly vetted and over 98% are Muslim...not the persecuted Christians, Jews, Yasidies, Bahais and other religious minorities. Plus, there are numerous other Muslim countries in the "neighborhood" that would be more culturally aligned with the Muslim refugees that are on the move. If the BHO Administration did this to box in DJT, I think they may have been a little too cute by far.* IMHO, it can be undone in a heartbeat and perhaps should be.

*BHO has already jeopardized the solidity of the Jewish vote for Democrats with his UN Security Council abstention and Kerry's diatribe blaming Israel for the on going conflict with the Palistinians. Now, he's gone out of his way to tick-off the Cuban American vote in what may turn out to be a futile, misguided effort to "box in" DJT's immigration policy. If this all blows up in his and the Democrats face, his admirers may have to rethink his "Smartest Man" in the world moniker.

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House Passes Bill to Set Up Defunding Planned Parenthood, Not One Single Democrat Votes for It

House Passes Bill to Set Up Defunding Planned Parenthood, Not One Single Democrat Votes for It.

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How much the taxpayers will save as of 1/1/17?

How much the taxpayers will save as of 1/1/17.....

Note: In 2009, FactCheck noted that the salaries of those working for Michele Obama was over 9 million, so what follows is probably true, as reported by a Canadian newspaper.

How much the taxpayers will save or, Are you afraid of the truth?

The taxpayers will save a lot of money once the spendthrift family leave the peoples's white house.
Since 2001, the president has earned a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment. The most recent raise in salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 and went into effect in 2001. FYI by law Trump has to take a salary as president. He will take $1.00 (one dollar).


Obama wanted a raise of his pension. He will get $400,000 per year for life as his pension and wanted a huge raise - don't know how much more he wanted. I don't think he got it. He promises that he will be a thorn in the side of Trump even more so after January 20.


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Copyright Canada Free Press. The American Press seems to still be in the pocket of OBama or afraid of the Billary Mafia and will not print facts about them.

Total Personal Staff members for US First ladies: Mamie Eisenhower: One - paid for personally, out of President's salary.

Total number of Personal Staff Members paid by Tax Payers:

Jackie Kennedy: One
Lady Bird Johnson: One
Pat Nixon: One
Betty Ford: One
Rosaline Carter: One
Barbara Bush: One
Hilary Clinton: Seven
Laura Bush: One
Michele Obama: Twenty-two!!!!!

Yep….your eyes don’t deceive you. You want to read WASTE? ....Scroll on down.

Michele Obama's personal staff: Take a closer look:

One.. $192,200 - Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
Two.. $160,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (Director of Policy And Projects)
Three.. $133,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (White House Social Secretary)
Four.. $122,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (Director of Communications)
Five.. $120,000 - Winter, Melissa (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
Six.. $110,000 - Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
Seven.. $104,000 - Lilyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary)
Eight.. $ 95,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance)
Nine.. $ 90,000 - Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects)
Ten.. $ 85,000 - Burnough, Erinn (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Eleven.. $ 84,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Twelve.. $ 82,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator)
Thirteen.. $ 80,000 - Fitz, Alan O. (Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director)
Fourteen.. $ 77,500 - Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide)
Fifteen.. $ 72,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary)
Sixteen.. $ 70,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide)
Seventeen.. $ 65,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence)
Eighteen.. $ 63,000 - Tubman, Samantha A. (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
Nineteen.. $ 60,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff)
Twenty.. $ 56,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
Twenty-One.. $ 55,000 - Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
Twenty-Two.. $ 55,000 - Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence)
That’s a Total...$2,075,200 in annual salaries - all for someone we did not vote for and apparently have no control over. 5 staff are Muslim and 13 African-American.

There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady's social life. This does not include:

"Makeup artist" Ingrid Grimes-Miles, Full time,

"First Hairstylist" Johnny Wright, Full time,

Both of whom traveled aboard Air Force One on ALL Trips (which were more like an invasion force than mere chief of state visits).
As of 11/15/2015 the Obama Family has spent over $1,300,000,000 (one billion, three hundred million dollars) on personal family trips. They were personal, not political or Government related.

How things have changed! If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at WalMart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of
"Ms. Michelle" are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU.

Copyright Canada Free Press not American Left Press

Yes…… The Canadian Free Press had to publish this, perhaps because America no longer has a free press and the USA media is afraid that they might be considered racist.
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Obama is essentially saying that Limbaugh and Hannity should not criticize him because he knows what is best for our country. This is the mentality of a totalitarian.

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Funny how many of the same people who say "get over it Trump won"
After 8 years still haven't gotten over Obama winning LOL
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Funny how many of the same people who say "get over it Trump won"
After 8 years still haven't gotten over Obama winning LOL
I got over Obama's election the day after the election, as did most conservatives because we had to get up and go to work the next day.


However, elections have consequences (I believe I heard that about 8 years ago). The democrats wanting to be included are the same ones 8 years ago the rammed Obamacare down our throats and pretty much shut down any opposing discourse. I remember hearing "I won" as well. I can't wait for them to get a taste of their own medicine.
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Obama's Last Medlings

As one of his final acts as outgoing president, Barack Obama commuted*the sentence being served by Chelsea Manning, a transgender soldier who is more than six years into a 35-year sentence for leaking classified government and military documents to the WikiLeaks website.

Brennan has no comment. Ryan says it is a disgrace.

Kind of contradicts Obama's concerns with WikiLeaks. Kind of bizarre - Obama's social transgender sympathy at work.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/chelsea-...entence-freed/

Hillary’s Pardon – Will He or Won’t He? CNN Indicators Point to “YES”!…
Will President Obama pardon Hillary Clinton before he leaves office? A question curiously non-discussed in the media.

http://www.infowars.com/hillarys-par...-point-to-yes/

US transferring 4 Gitmo detainees to UAE and Saudi Arabia, officials say.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...cials-say.html

Ignore Bergdahl decision post phoned to February 2017 - unless Obama now also pardons him too.

http://ufpnews.com/obama-plans-pardo...ader-bergdahl/
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"So Chelsea Manning leaked defense and national security documents to Wikileaks and Obama just commuted 80% of his sentence. Does that mean it is OK for Democrats to leak to Putin and the Russians (Wikileaks)?? I guess Manning has hacked the pardon process, right? Just like Putin hacked the election?

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leaves office in a few hours. In his 8 years in office he emulated Custer's famous Indian scout.
Custer would seek his advice and then do the opposite of his recommendation. Our incumbent President always precedes his actions by verbally stating to the contrary. Always judge him by what he does not what he says.
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"So Chelsea Manning leaked defense and national security documents to Wikileaks and Obama just commuted 80% of his sentence. Does that mean it is OK for Democrats to leak to Putin and the Russians (Wikileaks)?? I guess Manning has hacked the pardon process, right? Just like Putin hacked the election?

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All the while the poor guy who took pictures of the inside of a submarine to show his family what he did is sitting in a prison cell. Just another example of how every decision this president makes is either politically or ideologically driven. This shouldn't surprise anyone.
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A brief, more realistic view of BHO's "scandal free" Administration:
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/...ite-house.html
As comprehensive as this is, somehow, I think, Fund is leaving a few items off his list, particularly as it relates to the EPA, the Labor Department and several other Agencies that over stepped their bounds.
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How much the taxpayers will save as of 1/1/17.....

Note: In 2009, FactCheck noted that the salaries of those working for Michele Obama was over 9 million, so what follows is probably true, as reported by a Canadian newspaper.

How much the taxpayers will save or, Are you afraid of the truth?

The taxpayers will save a lot of money once the spendthrift family leave the peoples's white house.
Since 2001, the president has earned a $400,000 annual salary, along with a $50,000 annual expense account, a $100,000 nontaxable travel account, and $19,000 for entertainment. The most recent raise in salary was approved by Congress and President Bill Clinton in 1999 and went into effect in 2001. FYI by law Trump has to take a salary as president. He will take $1.00 (one dollar).


Obama wanted a raise of his pension. He will get $400,000 per year for life as his pension and wanted a huge raise - don't know how much more he wanted. I don't think he got it. He promises that he will be a thorn in the side of Trump even more so after January 20.


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Copyright Canada Free Press. The American Press seems to still be in the pocket of OBama or afraid of the Billary Mafia and will not print facts about them.

Total Personal Staff members for US First ladies: Mamie Eisenhower: One - paid for personally, out of President's salary.

Total number of Personal Staff Members paid by Tax Payers:

Jackie Kennedy: One
Lady Bird Johnson: One
Pat Nixon: One
Betty Ford: One
Rosaline Carter: One
Barbara Bush: One
Hilary Clinton: Seven
Laura Bush: One
Michele Obama: Twenty-two!!!!!

Yep….your eyes don’t deceive you. You want to read WASTE? ....Scroll on down.

Michele Obama's personal staff: Take a closer look:

One.. $192,200 - Sher, Susan (Chief Of Staff)
Two.. $160,000 - Frye, Jocelyn C. (Director of Policy And Projects)
Three.. $133,000 - Rogers, Desiree G. (White House Social Secretary)
Four.. $122,000 - Johnston, Camille Y. (Director of Communications)
Five.. $120,000 - Winter, Melissa (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
Six.. $110,000 - Medina , David S. (Deputy Chief Of Staff)
Seven.. $104,000 - Lilyveld, Catherine M. (Director and Press Secretary)
Eight.. $ 95,000 - Starkey, Frances M. (Director of Scheduling and Advance)
Nine.. $ 90,000 - Sanders, Trooper (Deputy Director of Policy and Projects)
Ten.. $ 85,000 - Burnough, Erinn (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Eleven.. $ 84,000 - Reinstein, Joseph B. (Deputy Director and Deputy Social Secretary)
Twelve.. $ 82,000 - Goodman, Jennifer R. (Deputy Director of Scheduling and Events Coordinator)
Thirteen.. $ 80,000 - Fitz, Alan O. (Deputy Director of Advance and Trip Director)
Fourteen.. $ 77,500 - Lewis, Dana M. (Special Assistant and Personal Aide)
Fifteen.. $ 72,500 - Mustaphi, Semonti M. (Associate Director and Deputy Press Secretary)
Sixteen.. $ 70,000 - Jarvis, Kristen E. (Special Assistant for Scheduling and Traveling Aide)
Seventeen.. $ 65,000 - Lechtenberg, Tyler A. (Associate Director of Correspondence)
Eighteen.. $ 63,000 - Tubman, Samantha A. (Deputy Associate Director, Social Office)
Nineteen.. $ 60,000 - Boswell, Joseph J. (Executive Assistant to the Chief Of Staff)
Twenty.. $ 56,000 - Armbruster, Sally M. (Staff Assistant to the Social Secretary)
Twenty-One.. $ 55,000 - Bookey, Natalie (Staff Assistant)
Twenty-Two.. $ 55,000 - Jackson, Deilia A. (Deputy Associate Director of Correspondence)
That’s a Total...$2,075,200 in annual salaries - all for someone we did not vote for and apparently have no control over. 5 staff are Muslim and 13 African-American.

There has NEVER been anyone in the White House at any time who has created such an army of staffers whose sole duties are the facilitation of the First Lady's social life. This does not include:

"Makeup artist" Ingrid Grimes-Miles, Full time,

"First Hairstylist" Johnny Wright, Full time,

Both of whom traveled aboard Air Force One on ALL Trips (which were more like an invasion force than mere chief of state visits).
As of 11/15/2015 the Obama Family has spent over $1,300,000,000 (one billion, three hundred million dollars) on personal family trips. They were personal, not political or Government related.

How things have changed! If you're one of the tens of millions of Americans facing certain destitution, earning less than subsistence wages stocking the shelves at WalMart or serving up McDonald cheeseburgers, prepare to scream and then come to realize that the benefit package for these servants of
"Ms. Michelle" are the same as members of the national security and defense departments and the bill for these assorted lackeys is paid by YOU.

Copyright Canada Free Press not American Left Press

Yes…… The Canadian Free Press had to publish this, perhaps because America no longer has a free press and the USA media is afraid that they might be considered racist.
The idea that the staffing levels are out of whack vs historical norms has been discredited even by Fox News. These are comparable back to the days of Nancy Reagan. Titles were different, and salaries adjusted with inflation, but White House staff is little changed.
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The idea that the staffing levels are out of whack vs historical norms has been discredited even by Fox News. These are comparable back to the days of Nancy Reagan. Titles were different, and salaries adjusted with inflation, but White House staff is little changed.
I will take your word for that Doug. It is interesting to note how much money it costs to maintain our first ladies but 22 of them. How do you even remember who does what for you and where do they all hide when you don't want them around? Do they all have offices? I know some of them were not there for the full term. Apparently Michelle is not as easy going as she would lead you to believe and some left through natural attrition. I looked most of them up individually because I was skeptical myself.

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The idea that the staffing levels are out of whack vs historical norms has been discredited even by Fox News. These are comparable back to the days of Nancy Reagan. Titles were different, and salaries adjusted with inflation, but White House staff is little changed.
Source?
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Source?
I'm not going back through all the different places that refuted this. Find a legit source for the original post. You won't, because other than the names, titles and salaries taken from White House filings it's all made up.

Edit - I wasted 5 minutes to find some stuff.

Laura Bush had 18 people on staff, and in the last year of the GWB presidency it was as high as 26. I know some of you don't like Snopes, but here's what they had on this, including a quote from someone on Laura's staff:



"So far as the original White House report was accurate, it was fair to say that First Lady Michelle Obama had about 22 staffers working for her, directly or indirectly, at the time (Katie McCormick Lelyveld, Michelle Obama’s press secretary, set the figure at 24). However, it's grossly inaccurate to claim that the current First Lady has hired "an unprecedented number of staffers," or to assert (as stated in the anonymously tacked-on final paragraph) that First Lady Laura Bush had but a single staffer working for her.

The 2008 White House Office Staff List, issued during the final year of President George W. Bush's tenure in office, included sixteen different staffers with the words "First Lady" in their position titles — exactly the same number as that listed for Michelle Obama in 2009. If all staffers listed with "Social Secretary" in their titles are included as part of the First Lady's retinue (as was done with the Michelle Obama example cited above), then Mrs. Bush had at least 18 people working for her in 2008 (not including any of the various personnel listed only as "Staff Assistants," some of whom may also have worked for her directly or indirectly).

White House staffing is fluid, with people and positions coming and going, but according to Anita McBride, Laura Bush's former Chief of Staff, Mrs. Bush had between 24 and 26 staffers working for her by the end of her husband's second term in office. It's therefore fair to say that the size of Michelle Obama's staff is not "unprecedented," but rather on a par with her immediate predecessor's.

Moreover, according to the Associated Press, several other First Ladies had larger numbers of personnel working for them than Michelle Obama did:


A look at some first ladies and their staff sizes:

Laura Bush: Between 24 and 26 by end of President George W. Bush's term in 2009, according to Anita McBride, Mrs. Bush's chief of staff.

Lady Bird Johnson, whose signature issue was beautifying roadways, had a staff of 30, said Stacy A. Cordery, a history professor at Montmouth [sic] College in Illinois who studies first ladies.

Betty Ford had almost the same number.

Jacqueline Kennedy, who made renovating the White House her cause, had about 40 people on staff, Cordery said."


If you want to find some more of the research into the lack of validity in the assertion in the original post, just google has Michele Obama significantly increased the size of the First Lady's staff. You can find multiple sites discrediting the original post on the same page. I know Fox News did at one time on air.

I have no idea where anyone came up with $1.3 billion on vacations, but I'd say that's highly suspect. And is likely little different than what GWB spent if it's true (which I doubt since it is so easy to refute that Laura Bush had 1 person on staff).

The pension program for the POTUS is salary and perks earned in office for life. if the $400K per year salary went into effect in 2001, then Obama is getting the exact same pension as Bush. And that would make 16 years with no increase in presidential salaries or pension.

We can debate whether there is too much staff devoted to the WH and the First Lady. We can debate if the presidency and all its security costs too much. But the idea that there's been some gigantic growth in the staff is a farce. It's largely spread by some guy that runs a Last Crusade website, and that others have added content to his original post - largely in the comparison to prior administrations and fringe places pick it up and repeat it over and over. Unfortunately many believe this crap - they really think Laura Bush had a single person on staff. It fits their narrative, so it must be true. Same is true on the left. And I thought we had an informed electorate (cough, cough)

This stuff is lunacy. And why on earth does anyone thank a post full of half truths, gross distortions and outright lies that can be disproven by a grade school student with internet access.

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I'm not going back through all the different places that refuted this. Find a legit source for the original post.
As good/bad as it all sounds...a google search states the numbers are false.
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Republicans look to scrap Michelle Obama school lunch plan

Republicans look to scrap Michelle Obama school lunch plan.

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Debunked by Snopes? I find Snopes suspect.

The expensive Obamas. I find numerous sources that show the Obamas were HUGE spenders. Apparently, some sources try to say the Obamas are not much different than previous first families. Some examples:

Here is a list of staff members to help the First Lady in "maintaining the dignity of her office" and their salaries:
Natalie F. Bookey Baker, executive assistant to the chief of staff to the first lady, $45,000;
Alan O. Fitts, deputy director of advance and trip director for the first lady, $61,200;
Jocelyn C. Frey, deputy assistant to the president and director of policy and projects for the first lady, $140,000;
Jennifer Goodman, deputy director of scheduling and events coordinator for the first lady, $63,240;
Deilia A.L. Jackson, deputy associate director of correspondence for the first lady, $42,000;
Kristen E. Jarvis, special assistant for scheduling and traveling aide to the first lady, $51,000;
Camille Y. Johnston, special assistant to the president and director of communications for the first lady, $102,000;
Tyler A. Lechtenberg, director of correspondence for the first lady, $50,000;
Catherine M. Lelyveld, director and press secretary to the first lady, $85,680;
Dana M. Lewis, special assistant and personal aide to the first lady, $66,000;
Trooper Sanders, deputy director of policy and projects for the first lady, $85,000;
Susan S. Sher, assistant to the president and chief of staff and counsel to the first lady, $172,200;
Frances M. Starkey, director of scheduling and advance for the first lady, $80,000;
Semonti M. Stevens, associate director and deputy press secretary to the first lady, $53,550;
Melissa Winter, special assistant to the president and deputy chief of staff to the first lady, $102,000.
The White House social secretary works for the first lady and serves as head of the White House Social Office, which plans everything from the casual and educational student workshops to elegant and sophisticated state dinners welcoming world leaders.
In the Office of White House Social Secretary were the following staffers:
Erinn J. Burnough, deputy director and deputy social secretary, $66,300;
Joseph B. Reinstein, deputy director and deputy social secretary, $66,300;
Julianna S. Smoot, deputy assistant to the president and White House social secretary, $150,000.
And this list does not include Michelle Obama's immense cost for her to travel. When she does, she also lists her two daughters as "Senior Staff Members" so they will get paid (courtesy of you and me). I'll bet you didn't know that you were paying the two girls "allowance," did you?

Given the current state of our economy and given the fact that our nation's veterans are having their benefits decreased or cut-off all together, I think the "First Lady" could "down-size" just a little and cut a few corners, wouldn't you say? On my trusty little old 45 year old MONROE 3140 calculator that total comes to $1,415,170.00 per year in salaries for her 17 personal staff members. I wonder how many disabled veterans who lost limbs just in the last 5 years that amount of money would take care of.

http://freedomoutpost.com/unbelievab...ty-first-lady/

Gray told The Daily Caller that the $1.4 billion spent on the Obama family last year is the “total cost of the presidency,” factoring the cost of the “biggest staff in history at the highest wages ever,” a 50 percent increase in the numbers of appointed czars and an Air Force One “running with the frequency of a scheduled air line.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2012/09/26/ta...#ixzz4WpX9U8MA

June 13, 2016 11:20 am | Author: Jerry Berger
THE FIRST LADIES & TAXPAYERS’ BILLS FOR THEIR STAFFS
Mary Lincoln was taken to task for purchasing china for the White House during the Civil War and Mamie Eisenhower had to shell out for her personal secretary from her husband’s salary.
TOTAL PERSONAL STAFF MEMBERS FOR OTHER FIRST LADIES:
One for Jackie Kennedy, Lady Bird Johnson, Pat Nixon, *Rosalynn Carter, Laura Bush, Barbara Bush and Betty Ford. Seven staffers for Hillary Clinton and 22 for Michelle Obama.

http://bergersbeat.com/michelle-obamas-staff/

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Not just Snopes but Fox News. Even Laura Bush' chief of staff admits she had between 24 and 26 staffers.

Congress sets the WH budget, so I guess it's the GOP fault.

This is just made up crap that for some reason you believe. None of it is one iota credible.
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Not just Snopes but Fox News. Even Laura Bush' chief of staff admits she had between 24 and 26 staffers.

This is just made up crap that for some reason you believe. None of it is one iota credible.
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Did you see the three sources I quoted above? I also quoted the Canadian source. There are numerous other sources. You have not proven to me it is just made up crap. I agree she appears to had more staff members as many sources say, but the Obamas were bigger spenders. You found sources and I found sources that say the Obamas were bigger spenders.

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Did you see the three sources I quoted above? I also quoted the Canadian source. There are numerous other sources. You have not proven to me it is just made up crap. You found sources and I found sources that say the Obamas were bigger spenders.
Yeah. You find sources that regularly make **** up. Are run by nut jobs. Even Fox News has discredited this crap.
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Yeah. You find sources that regularly make **** up. Are run by nut jobs. Even Fox News has discredited this crap.
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No, the Obamas were bigger spenders. There are some facts in error, but the Obamas spent more.

White House spokesman Eric Schultz
Critics of Obama’s annual vacations to Hawaii and Martha’s Vineyard say President George W. Bush – and perhaps Trump – likely saved money because their vacation homes, including Bush’s ranch in Crawford, Texas, were modified one time – some at a cost to taxpayers – and accommodated some of the traveling entourage. At Bush’s ranch, some slept in trailers.

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"The Obamas' notorious abuse of presidential travel perks wasted military resources and stressed the Secret Service. Judicial Watch estimates that the final costs of Obama’s unnecessary vacation and political travel will well exceed $100 million."

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Prove they spent substantially more. They may well have spent a little more, but that's not the impression you are trying to create. Pull the government filings, analyze them, adjust for inflation. You can use sources like Fox, WSJ who are not friendly to Obama.

TheDaily Caller has their view but is generally reasonable. The report they cite talks about the high cost of the presidency, but the author has said they never had a view that the cost was substantially different than other POTUS. They did question why we spend so much on a POTUS, but never made any relative claims.
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Prove they spent substantially more. They may well have spent a little more, but that's not the impression you are trying to create.
What is the impression you think I am trying to create?

I agree former presidential families spent a lot. I think they all spend too much taxpayer money.

Sounds like the Daily Caller is saying the Obama family had the biggest staff in history at the highest wages ever:
Gray told The Daily Caller that the $1.4 billion spent on the Obama family last year is the “total cost of the presidency,” factoring the cost of the “biggest staff in history at the highest wages ever,” a 50 percent increase in the numbers of appointed czars and an Air Force One “running with the frequency of a scheduled air line.”

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Republicans look to scrap Michelle Obama school lunch plan.

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Thank you GOP, for taking your hatred of the Obamas out on the youth of this country. We need more overweight, unhealthy, diabetic prone youth to add to the 35% and growing obesity rate in this country.

This article is stupid and misleading. Their cited "report" was based on observing two schools? Nice sample size!
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Thank you GOP, for taking your hatred of the Obamas out on the youth of this country. We need more overweight, unhealthy, diabetic prone youth to add to the 35% and growing obesity rate in this country.

This article is stupid and misleading. Their cited "report" was based on observing two schools? Nice sample size!
While I agree something needs to be done for the overweight kids in the world and we need to teach them to eat right, the terribly small portions without flavor served in our schools do not cut it for many. I had to try to stomach this crap a few times while doing volunteer work at my daughters school, and lets just say it was no surprise that the trash cans were over flowing daily as very few of the kids ate more than half of the tasteless junk on their plates.

My son would run up to 12 miles per day in High school during track and CC seasons. In the off months of the winter he would swim 4000m or so, then go for a little 4 mile fun run afterwards. He would eat an Obama lunch, buy another entree and a plate of pasta along with a few of the healthy snacks for a total cost of darn near $10 per day for a school lunch. On occasion he would pack to have a better meal. 5'11 152 lbs, yep that is overweight.

What is ironic about the Obama lunches, is walking through the HS cafeteria and seeing many refusing to eat the junk, instead they consider their lunch the bag of Doritos and package of Oreos they brought with them, yep that plan worked out well for our government.
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While I agree something needs to be done for the overweight kids in the world and we need to teach them to eat right, the terribly small portions without flavor served in our schools do not cut it for many. I had to try to stomach this crap a few times while doing volunteer work at my daughters school, and lets just say it was no surprise that the trash cans were over flowing daily as very few of the kids ate more than half of the tasteless junk on their plates.

My son would run up to 12 miles per day in High school during track and CC seasons. In the off months of the winter he would swim 4000m or so, then go for a little 4 mile fun run afterwards. He would eat an Obama lunch, buy another entree and a plate of pasta along with a few of the healthy snacks for a total cost of darn near $10 per day for a school lunch. On occasion he would pack to have a better meal. 5'11 152 lbs, yep that is overweight.

What is ironic about the Obama lunches, is walking through the HS cafeteria and seeing many refusing to eat the junk, instead they consider their lunch the bag of Doritos and package of Oreos they brought with them, yep that plan worked out well for our government.
Sorry I can't quote the source but I saw a program on MSM that the many of the lunches were going to waste because the kids would not eat them. I think it sensible lunch with planned play/exercise time might be a better approach but I am 45 lbs overweight. I have lost 15 in the last 12 weeks though.
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While I agree something needs to be done for the overweight kids in the world and we need to teach them to eat right, the terribly small portions without flavor served in our schools do not cut it for many. I had to try to stomach this crap a few times while doing volunteer work at my daughters school, and lets just say it was no surprise that the trash cans were over flowing daily as very few of the kids ate more than half of the tasteless junk on their plates.

My son would run up to 12 miles per day in High school during track and CC seasons. In the off months of the winter he would swim 4000m or so, then go for a little 4 mile fun run afterwards. He would eat an Obama lunch, buy another entree and a plate of pasta along with a few of the healthy snacks for a total cost of darn near $10 per day for a school lunch. On occasion he would pack to have a better meal. 5'11 152 lbs, yep that is overweight.

What is ironic about the Obama lunches, is walking through the HS cafeteria and seeing many refusing to eat the junk, instead they consider their lunch the bag of Doritos and package of Oreos they brought with them, yep that plan worked out well for our government.
Are you suggesting that there weren't terribly small portions without flavor before, and that you wouldn't have to "stomach this crap" if this wasn't in place? School lunches have always been horrible. The fact that they are trying to have fruit and veggie options (while possibly horrible as well), I think can only be a plus.

Glad to hear your son is an athlete, healthy and active. good for him. Unfortunately that is not the case for many.

Why not pack your kids lunch everyday? We did when I was in school and we pack my son's lunch every single day. It's likely going to be healthier and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I find your last statement somewhat absurd. I would image that a majority of kids are going to eat doritos and oreos over anything nutritious, if that is an option, because I would bet that not many of them are educated on the topic.
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Republicans look to scrap Michelle Obama school lunch plan.

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Any FLOTUS is most welcome to advocate for a worthy cause- Betty Ford (alcohol abuse), Laura Bush (literacy), Michelle Obama (healthy youth). Advocacy is one thing, mandatory diet restrictions are quite another.
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Kids can eat cheesburgers and pizza all day if they get off their asses and be active. America is fat because of diet and activity...not just diet. Kids need to be active. Kids weight issues are 20% diet and 80% activity...adults are 80% diet and 20% activity.

I get her cause, but the way about it is wrong. Yes, kids should be eating healthy...but where is the funding to have physical education in school 5 days a week? Hell, with the cuts in public education, kids are getting phys ed twice a week for a 1/3 of the school year. Go back to physical education at least 3 times a week for the entire school year and you may see some results. Quit pussifiying kids and getting rid of physical education or letting them opt out because they don't want hurt feelings.
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Education Department report finds billions spent under Obama had 'no impact' on achievement

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Education Department report finds billions spent under Obama had 'no impact' on achievement.

The Obama administration pumped more than $7 billion into an education program, first authorized under President George W. Bush, that had no impact on student achievement – according to a report released by the Department of Education in the final days of the 44th president’s term.

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Are you suggesting that there weren't terribly small portions without flavor before, and that you wouldn't have to "stomach this crap" if this wasn't in place? School lunches have always been horrible. The fact that they are trying to have fruit and veggie options (while possibly horrible as well), I think can only be a plus.

Glad to hear your son is an athlete, healthy and active. good for him. Unfortunately that is not the case for many.

Why not pack your kids lunch everyday? We did when I was in school and we pack my son's lunch every single day. It's likely going to be healthier and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I find your last statement somewhat absurd. I would image that a majority of kids are going to eat doritos and oreos over anything nutritious, if that is an option, because I would bet that not many of them are educated on the topic.
YES, based on a very unscientific study of my kids and their friends opinions, what once was tolerable food both proportion wise and taste wise at their school, became complete crap. A few friends who are teachers agree.

My kids and others, like most Americans, like a hot decent meal, not cold cuts and crap in a packed lunch. Glad you find my dorito comment absurd, just pointing out my observation and the reality of what many kids are doing, and even the die hard Obama lovers in the high school ***** about the Obama lunches.

Tell me again why all should be denied real food due to the obesity of some? If the government wants to do something, help get them off their butts, out from in front of video games, and active.
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Republicans look to scrap Michelle Obama school lunch plan.

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I had a nephew in high school when this got implemented. He and his friends played football. And my nephew wasn't a huge guy. 5'10 but solid/muscular. He said he and his friends use to have to bring a second lunch everyday to eat with their school lunch. It was not enough food. The first year, at afternoon practice, they had guys passing out because they hadn't gotten enough calories at lunch. The football coach had a meeting with parents and basically required them to send their sons to school with a second lunch. The school was prohibited from giving them more food. So the 210 lb football player was getting the same meal as the 110 lb girl who played no sports.
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Kids can eat cheesburgers and pizza all day if they get off their asses and be active.
Wow.

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Go back to physical education at least 3 times a week for the entire school year and you may see some results. Quit pussifiying kids and getting rid of physical education or letting them opt out because they don't want hurt feelings.
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I had a nephew in high school when this got implemented. He and his friends played football. And my nephew wasn't a huge guy. 5'10 but solid/muscular. He said he and his friends use to have to bring a second lunch everyday to eat with their school lunch. It was not enough food. The first year, at afternoon practice, they had guys passing out because they hadn't gotten enough calories at lunch. The football coach had a meeting with parents and basically required them to send their sons to school with a second lunch. The school was prohibited from giving them more food. So the 210 lb football player was getting the same meal as the 110 lb girl who played no sports.
Has something changed that I'm not aware of? Do students have to eat school provided lunches?
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Wow.



Totally agree.
Didn't say it was they way to go....but kids have the metabolism that you or I don't have. Child obesity is more about activity than diet.

Chad Johnson eats MCD's more than most of us combined....is he in shape because of diet, or because of physical activity?

I look at the fat kids...yes I said fat...and they aren't active. They are the Ipad and video game generation. Yes...there are some portly kids in youth sports, and some could use a salad...but the majority of kids that are fat are not being told by their parents "go outside and play". It's that simple. I had home cooked meals for dinner 95% of the time as a kid. Not too much fast food unless we ordered pizza on the weekend, etc. It was more of a treat than normalcy. With that said, mom wasn't cooking chicken breasts, brown rice, and asparagus each night. We were on a diet of pasta, meatloaf, mashed potatoes....not the healthiest stuff....we weren't fat. The caloric and fat content of these home cooked meals was on par with crap you get in a carryout...we weren't fat because we got home from school and ran around outside until dinner. No video games...no nothing but physical activity...
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Has something changed that I'm not aware of? Do students have to eat school provided lunches?
No...but the schools will sure as hell tell a kid what is appropriate to eat in the cafeteria.

A cafeteria aide told my kid that she couldn't eat a certain item in her packed lunch before she ate the "healthy" stuff....so yes...certain people are indoctrinated by this crap...and by the way...that was the last time the school thought about telling my kid what she can and can't eat out of her packed lunch.
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Are you suggesting that there weren't terribly small portions without flavor before, and that you wouldn't have to "stomach this crap" if this wasn't in place? School lunches have always been horrible. The fact that they are trying to have fruit and veggie options (while possibly horrible as well), I think can only be a plus.

Glad to hear your son is an athlete, healthy and active. good for him. Unfortunately that is not the case for many.

Why not pack your kids lunch everyday? We did when I was in school and we pack my son's lunch every single day. It's likely going to be healthier and a hell of a lot cheaper.

I find your last statement somewhat absurd. I would image that a majority of kids are going to eat doritos and oreos over anything nutritious, if that is an option, because I would bet that not many of them are educated on the topic.
I have a good friend who works in the cafeteria in our school district and believe me when I tell you that there is nothing "healthy" about what they are being fed.

Yeah, maybe the First Lady's program decreased the amount of calories and sweets in our kids lunches, but most of what they are given is highly processed, pre-cooked junk that has been stripped of most of it's nutrients. Even some of the fruit comes pre-sliced and in bags or cups, processed to the point where they are void of all the vitamins they contain in their raw form. Some of things she describes to me makes me sick to think about. Just visit your local grocery store's frozen section and look through all of the processed foods available, this is what our kids are eating for their school lunches.

Michelle's plan, which was noble and something that needed addressed, was equivalent to putting a band aid on a bullet hole. If we really want to get serious about feeding out kids healthy food, then it needs to be done with real cooks who prepare school lunches from scratch, but we all know that will be a huge cost burden.

Good nutrition also starts at home, where parents need to make more of an effort to ensure that their children are eating less processed foods, more raw fruit, and fresh vegetables. I realize it's hard these days with broken homes and parents who both work, but if we start out feeding our kids processed chicken nuggets and mac and cheese everyday, then that's what they are going to want once they start school. And like Shocka has mentioned.................put down the video game get out and play.
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I have a good friend who works in the cafeteria in our school district and believe me when I tell you that there is nothing "healthy" about what they are being fed.

Yeah, maybe the First Lady's program decreased the amount of calories and sweets in our kids lunches
This is what i think makes sense.

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but most of what they are given is highly processed, pre-cooked junk that has been stripped of most of it's nutrients. Even some of the fruit comes pre-sliced and in bags or cups, processed to the point where they are void of all the vitamins they contain in their raw form. Some of things she describes to me makes me sick to think about. Just visit your local grocery store's frozen section and look through all of the processed foods available, this is what our kids are eating for their school lunches.
In my experience, school lunches have always been processed and non-nutritious. I don't think this initiative made that any worse. I work at a higher ed institution and it's no different. The food is crap.

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Michelle's plan, which was noble and something that needed addressed, was equivalent to putting a band aid on a bullet hole. If we really want to get serious about feeding out kids healthy food, then it needs to be done with real cooks who prepare school lunches from scratch, but we all know that will be a huge cost burden.
This would be great, but in my lifetime funding for education has never really been where it should be so I think this would be difficult.

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Good nutrition also starts at home, where parents need to make more of an effort to ensure that their children are eating less processed foods, more raw fruit, and fresh vegetables. I realize it's hard these days with broken homes and parents who both work, but if we start out feeding our kids processed chicken nuggets and mac and cheese everyday, then that's what they are going to want once they start school. And like Shocka has mentioned.................put down the video game get out and play.
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One of my brothers and this wife teach. I grew up in the 70s. In grade school back then we always had the choice of either a butter sandwich or a peanut butter sandwich. This was to ensure kids had something for lunch if they didn't like the meal being served. Kids can be picky. These were handmade each day by the cafeteria staff.

They don't even do that anymore. I've been informed that schools now have frozen peanut butter sandwiches. They make nothing. Everything is prepackaged. Everything has a ton of preservatives in it. Nothing is made from scratch. And how healthy are all those chemicals and preservatives?its a good thing they limit the calories. Less chemicals.
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An Older Lady Who Loves Obama

An Older Lady Who Loves Obama

This is certainly a different way to look at what is happening...

One 82-year-old lady loves Obama and she may have a very good point. She says that Obama is amazing, and is rebuilding the American dream! She gives us an entirely new slant on the” amazing" job Obama is doing, and she says that she will thank God for the President.

Keep reading for her additional comments and an explanation. When discussing Obama, she says:

1. Obama destroyed the Clinton Political Machine, driving a stake through the heart of Hillary's presidential aspirations -something no Republican was ever able to do.

2. Obama killed off the Kennedy Dynasty - no more Kennedy's trolling Washington looking for booze and women wanting rides home.

3. Obama is destroying the Democratic Party before our eyes! Dennis Moore had never lost a race. Evan Bayh had never lost a race. Byron Dorgan had never lost a race. Harry Reid - soon to be GONE! These are just a handful of the Democrats whose political careers Obama has destroyed. By the end of 2016, dozens more will be gone. Just think, in December of 2008 the Democrats were on the rise. In two election cycles, they had picked up 14 Senate seats and 52 House seats. The press was touting the death of the Conservative Movement and the Republican Party. However, in just one term, Obama put a stop to all of this and gave the House and the Senate - back to the Republicans.

4. Obama has completely exposed liberals and progressives for what they are. Sadly, every generation seems to need to re-learn the lesson on why they should never actually put liberals in charge. Obama is bringing home the lesson very well: Liberals tax, borrow and spend. Liberals won't bring themselves to protect America . Liberals want to take over the economy Liberals think they know what is best for everyone. Liberals are not happy until they are running YOUR life.

5. Obama has brought more Americans back to conservatism than anyone since Reagan. In one term, he has rejuvenated the Conservative Movement and brought out to the streets millions of freedom loving Americans. Name one other time when you saw your friends and neighbors this interested in taking back America !

6. Obama, with his "amazing leadership," has sparked the greatest period of sales of firearms and ammunition this country has seen. Law abiding citizens have rallied and have provided a
"stimulus" to the sporting goods field while other industries have failed, faded, or moved off-shore.

7. In all honesty, 4 years ago I was more afraid than I have been in my life. Not afraid of the economy, but afraid of the direction our country was going. I thought, Americans have forgotten what this country is all about. My neighbors and friends, even strangers, have proved to me that my lack of confidence in the greatness and wisdom of the American people has been flat wrong.

8. When the American people wake up, no smooth talking teleprompter reader can fool them! Barack Obama has served to wake up these great Americans! Again, I want to say: "Thank you, Barack Obama!" After all, this is exactly the kind of hope and change we desperately needed!!

9. He has saved Carter’s legacy and made Jimmy Carter happy, since Jimmy is no longer the worst president we've ever had. Credit goes to where credit is due. I feel better now!
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Obama's Buddy Iran

Obama's buddy Iran:
Iran tests ballistic missile in defiance of UN resolution, US officials say.

Doesn't make me sad about the travel ban on Iran.

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Obama Sets Record

Obama sets record for former president speaking out against current president. Obama attacks Trump just ten days after handing him the White House as he says he 'fundamentally disagrees' with travel ban – and backs protests. Obama, a true Soros puppet.

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Restocking the swamp

You want chaotic and exhausting? You've got it:

"A federal judge in New York has issued an emergency stay temporarily halting the removal of individuals detained after President Trump issued an order to ban immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S."

So lets see. It's been 8 days and 2 Saturdays. Total uproar on both Saturdays, the Women's march last Saturday and the airports today. And now this. We have 4 years of this to look forward to?

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You want chaotic and exhausting? You've got it:

"A federal judge in New York has issued an emergency stay temporarily halting the removal of individuals detained after President Trump issued an order to ban immigrants from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S."

So lets see. It's been 8 days and 2 Saturdays. Total uproar on both Saturdays, the Women's march last Saturday and the airports today. And now this. We have 4 years of this to look forward to?

I seriously doubt Trump lasts four years.

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I think somebody posted in another thread that this judge was appointed by Obama.

The below expert says that Trump's order is constitutional, and so the order will be upheld by the courts:


http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...uslim_ban.html
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The order is likely constitutional except you can't send anyone back who reaches US soil without some level of due process. The removal of these who reached the US is probably thrown out.
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The order is likely constitutional except you can't send anyone back who reaches US soil without some level of due process. The removal of these who reached the US is probably thrown out.
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No one is, or was, throwing out those who reached American soil. These people were detained for questioning, a type of due process. I think Obama sent back like 80 Cubans two weeks ago, who reached US soil. Wasn't that unconstitutional? What was their due process?
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Still slow: U.S. economy grew 1.6% in 2016

GDP low in 2016. Still slow: U.S. economy grew 1.6% in 2016. I think Trump will do better.

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GDP low in 2016. Still slow: U.S. economy grew 1.6% in 2016. I think Trump will do better.

http://money.cnn.com/2017/01/27/news...y/us-gdp-2016/
Trump is already doing better: US created 227k jobs in January vs. 175k expected. Maybe split the credit between Obama and Trump.


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[QUOTE=jack72;482991]No one is, or was, throwing out those who reached American soil. QUOTE]

That's not true. In at least two cases the judges ordered the return of passengers who were put on flights back to their place of origin. And the original instructions with the order said to return them.

The rollout of this was totally botched. There is virtually total bipartisan agreement on that, including from right leaning sources.

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In the case of airports, incoming visitors are not in the United States until they have cleared immigration. That's why immigration agents say welcome home to citizens and there is always a big sign that says "Welcome to the United States of America" on the wall past the immigration agents.
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Japan reportedly setting up package for Trump to create 700,000 US jobs

Japan reportedly setting up package for Trump to create 700,000 US jobs

Japan, which has a consistent trade surplus with the U.S., is putting the finishing touches on a package that it claims will create 700,000 jobs in the U.S. and help create a $450-billion market, Reuters reported, citing government sources familiar with the plans.

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No one is, or was, throwing out those who reached American soil. QUOTE]

That's not true. In at least two cases the judges ordered the return of passengers who were put on flights back to their place of origin. And the original instructions with the order said to return them.

The rollout of this was totally botched. There is virtually total bipartisan agreement on that, including from right leaning sources.
And the 80 some Cubans? Was that botched, or just covered up?
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In the case of airports, incoming visitors are not in the United States until they have cleared immigration. That's why immigration agents say welcome home to citizens and there is always a big sign that says "Welcome to the United States of America" on the wall past the immigration agents.
Doesn't change the due process requirements. You haven't been admitted to the US, but you are on US soil.

Perhaps that's why they changed the implementation to not return anyone to the place their flight originated.
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And the 80 some Cubans? Was that botched, or just covered up?
You are right. This was the most gloriously executed change in policy ever in the history of the world. There were no issues of any kind, every single person charged with implementing and executing it knew exactly what they were to do, there was no confusion, no subsequent changes for green card holders, no changes for others with permanent residents. They got it all perfect.
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Japan reportedly setting up package for Trump to create 700,000 US jobs

Japan, which has a consistent trade surplus with the U.S., is putting the finishing touches on a package that it claims will create 700,000 jobs in the U.S. and help create a $450-billion market, Reuters reported, citing government sources familiar with the plans.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...0-us-jobs.html
This is by all appearances a positive development. Addresses infrastructure, jobs and trade relations with Japan.
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You are right. This was the most gloriously executed change in policy ever in the history of the world. There were no issues of any kind, every single person charged with implementing and executing it knew exactly what they were to do, there was no confusion, no subsequent changes for green card holders, no changes for others with permanent residents. They got it all perfect.
So you agree it was the same issue the left is now bringing up, but the Cuban story was covered up by the leftist media. If Obama did it, then it was perfect, and kinder gentler in every way. If Trump does it, then badly executed and mean spirited.
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No. I don't think they are in the same ball park. One addresses people who arrive here without valid visas amp down travel documents. The othe with people who do. Besides, what cover up? I certainly found plenty of reporting on wet foot, dry foot.

And because Obama was incompetent Trump should not be criticized? Trump's implementation was poor. He should be criticized. What Obama did or did not do is not relevant.

My mom taught me what others do doesn't affect my actions when I was a toddler. Good lesson to learn.

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No. I don't think they are in the same ball park. One addresses people who arrive here without valid visas amp down travel documents. The othe with people who do. Besides, what cover up? I certainly found plenty of reporting on wet foot, dry foot.

And because Obama was incompetent Trump should not be criticized? Trump's implementation was poor. He should be criticized. What Obama did or did not do is not relevant.

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Those Cubans arrived on US soil legally, and then were sent back because Obama changed the rule while they were on their way. Trump did the same thing. Your analogy would be like me saying the visa people cannot stay because we had no Dry Land deal with those countries.

It is not about Obama's incompetence, your words not my view. My point is where was the stink, the protests, the media outrage and the lawsuits for the Cubans? Clearly a double standard.
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Trump changing the rules is less of my issue than the incompetence in implementing the change. With wet fit dry door there was confusion at DHS etc. as for due process, that can be as simple as where are your documents. The issue is different when the answer is here are my valid documents or green card than I don't have any. I don't have any can be the end of due process.
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Obama's Shadow Government

Obama's Shadow Government to disrupt Trump.

Obama is staying in Washington. "So he’s setting up this kind of almost insurgency, picking people in foreign affairs, labor, abortion, union matters and setting them up to start appearing on television, making speeches and doing op-ed pieces for next four years, you’re going to see not only a Trump Administration but you’re going to see a shadow government opposing the Trump…Klein’s suspicion was bolstered by an editorial which ran in the New York Post this weekend from Paul Sperry, the author of “The Great American Bank Robbery”.

http://www.trunews.com/article/is-ob...o-resist-trump

Sperry wrote: "In what’s shaping up to be a highly unusual post-presidency, Obama isn’t just staying behind in Washington. He’s working behind the scenes to set up what will effectively be a shadow government to not only protect his threatened legacy, but to sabotage the incoming administration and its popular “America First” agenda.He’s doing it through a network of leftist nonprofits led by Organizing for Action. Normally you’d expect an organization set up to support a politician and his agenda to close up shop after that candidate leaves office, but not Obama’s OFA. Rather, it’s gearing up for battle, with a growing war chest and more than 250 offices across the country.

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Ex-Obama campaign manager, Plouffe, fined $90G for violating lobbying rules

Ex-Obama campaign manager, Plouffe, fined $90G for violating lobbying rules.

Former-President Obama’s ex-campaign manager was fined $90,000 on Thursday for illegally lobbying Chicago’s mayor on behalf of Uber.
The Chicago Board of Ethics determined that David Plouffe violated ethics rules when he failed to register as a lobbyist after contacting Mayor Rahm Emanuel.

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The collection of purported intelligence documents includes information on CIA-developed malware -- bearing names such as “Assassin” and “Medusa” -- intended to target iPhones, Android phones, smart TVs and Microsoft, Mac and Linux operating systems, among others. An entire unit in the CIA is devoted to inventing programs to hack data from Apple products, according to WikiLeaks.

WIKILEAKS OFFERS REWARD FOR INFO ON OBAMA MISDEEDS
“We are issuing a US$20,000 reward for information leading to the arrest or exposure of any Obama admin agent destroying significant records,” the organization tweeted above an image of a “Wanted” sign.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...on-emails.html

Some of the remote hacking programs can allegedly turn numerous electronic devices into recording and transmitting stations to spy on their targets, with the information then sent back to secret CIA servers. One document appears to show the CIA was trying to “infect” vehicle control systems in cars and trucks for unspecified means.
WikiLeaks hinted that the capabilites revealed in Tuesday's disclosure could have even darker utility than simply spying.
“It would permit the CIA to engage in nearly undetectable assassinations,” the release stated.

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Enlarge player → 'Barack Obama Day' voted down by Illinois lawmakers Mar. 22, 2017 - 0:19 - Presidential rejection

'Barack Obama Day' voted down by Illinois lawmakers
Mar. 22, 2017 - 0:19 - Presidential rejection

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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

Republican congressional investigators expect a potential “smoking gun” establishing that the Obama administration spied on the Trump transition team, and possibly the president-elect himself, will be produced to the House Intelligence Committee this week, a source told Fox News.

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Potential 'smoking gun' showing Obama administration spied on Trump team, source says

Republican congressional investigators expect a potential “smoking gun” establishing that the Obama administration spied on the Trump transition team, and possibly the president-elect himself, will be produced to the House Intelligence Committee this week, a source told Fox News.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...urce-says.html
Obama and his administration got caught wiretapping foreign leaders, reporters, and even congressmen (Dennis Kucinich, I previously posted a link). We know that the CIA and NSA has the capability to spy on any and every single American whenever they feel like it, so who really knows just at what kind of level it's actually happening. I'm no so sure why it's such a crazy accusation that they may have been spying on Trump, and that it may have been under the direction of Obama or his people. Actually, I think in the end that it'll be proven that it did happen, but as usual there will be little repercussion for Obama.

Chris has been warning us about this for a long time now. I kind of dismissed it at first, but not anymore.

Also heard recently that the CIA has the capability to hack into a computer and leave fingerprints to make it seem as if it was done by another country. I'm to the point where I don't trust anyone anymore. Can't believe the government agencies that are supposed to protect us, as they are now driven by politics. And you certainly can't believe or trust the media, as they are no longer our watchdogs.

Disturbing times we now live in.

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