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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
Realistically, unless we just about run the table or MAYBE finish something like 27-5, we're pretty much at our RPI ceiling right now.

For once, it's really only about how we finish and not how much other teams may help us or how crowded the bubble is.
Yeah, it's about maintaining. If Dayton deserves a 5, but gets a 6, that would be wonderful. It's that 8-9 seed range we want to keep from sliding toward.
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Good night for the OOC - Jan 26

A-10 results:
La Salle (5-13) 60 @ Duquesne (14-7) 87

OOC opponents results:
Tennessee (10-10) 57 @ Alabama (11-8) 63
#7 Xavier (18-2) 75 @ #10 Providence (17-4) 68
Florida (13-7) 59 @ Vanderbilt (12-8) 60
Central Michigan (11-9) 68 @ Miami (OH) 51

Other teams receiving votes:
Texas Tech (12-7) 67 @ #1 Oklahoma (17-2) 91
Kansas State (12-8) 55 @ #9 West Virginia (17-3) 70
#11 Virginia (16-4) 72 @ Wake Forest (10-10) 71
#19 Indiana (17-4) 79 @ Wisconsin (12-9) 82 (OT)
Miss St (8-11) 74 @ South Carolina (18-2) 84
Georgia (11-7) 85 @ LSU (13-7) 89

Under the radar:
Northern Illinois (16-4) 66 @ Akron (16-4) 76
SE Louisiana (3-16) 63 @ Texas A&M CC (16-3) 73
Eastern Michigan (10-10) 58 @ Kent State (15-5) 73
San Diego St (15-6) 57 @ Nevada (12-8) 54
TCU (9-11) 54 @ Texas (13-7) 71
Florida St (13-7) 72 @ Boston College (7-13) 62
Memphis (13-7) 97 @ UCF (10-8) 86
Creighton (14-7) 73 @ Georgetown (13-8) 74


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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
So one of biggest collapses of year?

Wake 70 Virginia 63 with 24 seconds left. UVA turns it over, Wake gives it back, UVA hits 3. Wake misses two could shots. UVA hits 3. Wake makes one of two foul shots. UVA banks in three. Final UVA 72 Wake 71. Not often you lose a game up 7 with possession andd 24 seconds left.
The Wake turnover with 22 seconds left that led straight to a 3 to make it 70-66 was the killer. If the guy just holds the ball, he gets fouled, goes to the line with a chance to make it an 8 or 9 point game with 20 seconds left.

Or if any of the Wake players make a foul shot, as they went 1-4 in the final 20 seconds.

That ending was nuts. N-V-T-S.
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Georgetown over Creighton by 1. A perfect ending for the BE. Now they will tout both of those losers as power house teams when they actually suck. Sick.
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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
The Wake turnover with 22 seconds left that led straight to a 3 to make it 70-66 was the killer. If the guy just holds the ball, he gets fouled, goes to the line with a chance to make it an 8 or 9 point game with 20 seconds left.

Or if any of the Wake players make a foul shot, as they went 1-4 in the final 20 seconds.

That ending was nuts. N-V-T-S.
Maybe he watched the end of EMU and Ball State over the weekend, where he saw it was possible for you to hold the ball, engage in a tug of war with the defender for it, have the ball ripped out of both hands by the defender, watch the officials miss a travel, and then the opponent hit a three to beat you.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
Maybe he watched the end of EMU and Ball State over the weekend, where he saw it was possible for you to hold the ball, engage in a tug of war with the defender for it, have the ball ripped out of both hands by the defender, watch the officials miss a travel, and then the opponent hit a three to beat you.
That ending looked like a 6 year old rec league game.
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Originally Posted by priceg75 View Post
The Wake turnover with 22 seconds left that led straight to a 3 to make it 70-66 was the killer. If the guy just holds the ball, he gets fouled, goes to the line with a chance to make it an 8 or 9 point game with 20 seconds left.
Reminds me of a UD game a couple years ago when we had a 4 point lead and the ball with about 40 seconds left, we were in the two shot foul, and a defender was coming at our guy to foul him, but our guy tried to make a move with the ball and lost the ball. They scored, we turned it over again and ended up losing. Anybody remember that? The player will remain nameless. (It was a road game.)
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I believe it was the GW game and we gave it away. The guy who turned it over has turned out to be a pretty darned good player.
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Old 01-27-2016, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
So one of biggest collapses of year?

Wake 70 Virginia 63 with 24 seconds left. UVA turns it over, Wake gives it back, UVA hits 3. Wake misses two foul shots. UVA hits 3. Wake makes one of two foul shots. UVA banks in three. Final UVA 72 Wake 71. Not often you lose a game up 7 with possession and 24 seconds left.
That is amazing. My rule has always been, you need to be up by 12 with a minute left, or you can be beat. This puts in a new rule, be up by 9 with 30 seconds left, or maybe nothing is safe.
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UVA hit four threes in the last minute IIRC, and obviously made 3 in the last 21 seconds.
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Recall a game played at Pitt fieldhouse against the Dukes. Flyers down 7 with about 50 seconds to go( no 3 point plays back then), won in regulation.A group of us traveled to that game. Lots of angry fans as we left. Sure was fun
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Wednesday 1/27:

Pitt @ Clemson (both getting votes I believe)
UMass @ St Joes
aTm @ Arkansas
Fordham @ Rhody (Go Rams)
#16 Louisville @ VTech (Can they pull another home upset?)
Tulsa @ Houston (AAC is desperately hoping for more than 1 bid)
#21 Purdue @ Minnesota
#17 Baylor @ Okie State
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I believe it was the GW game and we gave it away. The guy who turned it over has turned out to be a pretty darned good player.
He's not bad.
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Tulsa @ Houston (AAC is desperately hoping for more than 1 bid)
Yes, I see that the Dance Card has the AAC only getting one bid, the AAC automatic bid for Tulsa...Cincy and UConn are both on the wrong side of the bubble...the A10 got 4, Dayton, GW, St. Joe, and auto bid VCU, VCU is otherwise on the wrong side of the bubble.


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GT up by 7 on NC St with 14 to go.
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Hogs win over A@M could move them into the top 100

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GT beats NC St 91-83. NC St goes to 1-6 in the ACC. Gottfried may only be saved by his great recruiting class coming in next year. Second win in ACC for BG.

Marcus Georges-Hunt for GT and Cat Barber for NC ST are two stud players.
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GT beats NC St 91-83. NC St goes to 1-6 in the ACC. Gottfried may only be saved by his great recruiting class coming in next year. Second win in ACC for BG.

Marcus Georges-Hunt for GT and Cat Barber for NC ST are two stud players.
That moves GT up to #62 in the rpi, sos projection is 18, not sure about top 50/100, if GT finishes strong, they have a chance at a bid.

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Wed Jan 27

A-10 results:
St Louis (8-12) 37 @ Dayton (17-3) 73
UMass (8-11) 70 @ St Joe's (17-3) 78
Fordham (11-6) 63 @ Rhode Island (12-8) 79

OOC opponents results:
#5 Texas A&M (17-3) 71 @ Arkansas (10-10) 74

Other teams receiving votes:
#16 Louisville (17-3) 91 @ Virginia Tech (12-9) 83
#17 Baylor (16-4) 69 @ Oklahoma State (10-10) 65
Missouri (8-12) 54 @ #20 Kentucky (16-4) 88
#21 Purdue (18-4) 68 @ Minnesota (6-15) 64
Loyola-Chicago (9-12) 54 @ #22 Wichita St (15-5) 80
Pitt (16-4) 60 @ Clemson (13-7) 73
DePaul (7-13) 53 @ Butler (14-6) 67
Cal (14-7) 64 @ Utah (16-5) 73
Rutgers (6-15) 57 @ Michigan (16-5) 68
St John's (7-14) 60 @ Seton Hall (14-6) 79
Tulsa (13-7) 66 @ Houston (14-6) 81
Stanford (11-8) 75 @ Colorado (16-5) 91

Under the radar:
UC Irvine (17-5) 73 @ Northridge (7-13) 63
Boise State (15-6) 77 @ UNLV (13-8) 87
American (4-15) 63 @ Navy (15-6) 58
Charleston Southern (8-13) 72 @ Winthrop (15-6) 97


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What happen to Oklahoma State this year? 2-6 in the B12!
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Oil prices have fallen sharply, T Boone Pickens doesn't have as much money to throw at the program???

Thursday 1/28:

#3 Iowa @ #8 Maryland
Cincy @ UConn (like yesterday, 2 AAC schools desperatly hoping more than 1 team from the AAC makes the dance this season, both are near the bubble line)
#25 Notre Dame @ Syracuse
Will & Mary @ Delaware
W Carolina @ Furman
#12 Mich St @ Northwestern
Richmond @ GW (ESPNU @ 9:00)
#23 Oregon @ #18 Arizona

So there's a chance 2 teams in the top 25, barely above UD (ND & Oregon) could drop a tough road game and leave some room for UD to claim a spot with a win on Saturday. Neither should get dinged for a loss on the road at either spot too bad, so its far from guaranteed that a loss by either would influence a voter to move UD up over them Monday morning. Obviously we want GW to win, stay in that top 50 and remain in the NCAA at large consideration, Richmond has fallen off the at large talk and short of a late season run of victories its going to take a title in Brooklyn for them to get there. They have the remaining schedule that sweeping out would likely get them an at large bid, but most of those wins would have to come on the road, so I doubt Spider fans are holding their breath.
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That moves GT up to #62 in the rpi, sos projection is 18, not sure about top 50/100, if GT finishes strong, they have a chance at a bid.
They are 12-8 and 2-5 in the ACC. They would almost have to win out or win the ACC tourney.
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The Announcer on their game last night, an ACC stooge, said the ACC will have 10 teams in the tourney.
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They are 12-8 and 2-5 in the ACC. They would almost have to win out or win the ACC tourney.
I looked at rpiforecast last night, and I think finishing 7-4 gets them to rpi #48...6-5 would be about #60...they will have to finish pretty strongly, but there is at least a chance for them.
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I looked at rpiforecast last night, and I think finishing 7-4 gets them to rpi #48...6-5 would be about #60...they will have to finish pretty strongly, but there is at least a chance for them.
I would be extremely shocked if they go 7-4 down the stretch. In 13 years BG does not have a good track record of finishing well in the conference.
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Richmond just absolutely blew it at GW. Up 3 with 12 seconds left they fouled GW. GW hits 2 FTs. Richmond then gets fouled and hits 2. They're up 3 with 7.6 seconds left and Mooney for some reason decides not to foul!!!!!!!!! GW banks in a 3 to send it to OT.

Why Mooney didn't stick to the fouling strategy is idiotic!!!!!!!!!
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Richmond just absolutely blew it at GW. Up 3 with 12 seconds left they fouled GW. GW hits 2 FTs. Richmond then gets fouled and hits 2. They're up 3 with 7.6 seconds left and Mooney for some reason decides not to foul!!!!!!!!! GW banks in a 3 to send it to OT.

Why Mooney didn't stick to the fouling strategy is idiotic!!!!!!!!!
Bold move to have Terry Allen foul out in regulation, though.
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Bold move to have Terry Allen foul out in regulation, though.
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Bold indeed! A smart coach would have subbed for him when they decided to foul, but Mooney has proved many times over he is not that.
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Syracuse defeated no. 25 ND, and no. 24 Duke lost earlier this week. Door is open. Need to take care of business Saturday.

GW and Richmond into double OT. Wild finish of regulation.
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I don't like GW simulates getting fouled by jerking their heads back with any contact.

Richmond has played much better than GW, but GW has gotten every call. 27 fouls for Richmond versus 20 for GW and GW had to foul at the end of regulation so normalized like 27 fouls for Richmond versus like 14-15 for GW.

BTW, GW wins and more likely to be top 50 win so for UD, we are rooting for GW.

But I am finding it really hard to do so with the faking of getting fouled.
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I was pretty much agnostic on GW and Richmond, but Richmond earned this win at GW.
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GW could be slipping off the bubble in the opinion of the eye test crowd. It just seems that if an A-10 team loses to a team they should have beaten the loss turns into three losses. The talking head pundits then will come up with excuses for 14 and 8 Syracuse to make the tournament because of Jim Boeheim's absence for 9 games. The dude was suspended ! Why should he get a free out of jail card ?

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I'm not angry . . . Jan 28 scores

A-10 results:
Richmond (11-8) 98 @ GW (15-5) 90 (2OT)

OOC opponents results:
SEMO (5-16) 58 @ SIU Edwardsville (4-17) 51
William & Mary (14-6) 94 @ Delaware (5-15) 79
#3 Iowa (16-4) 68 @ # 8 Maryland (18-3) 74
Monmouth (16-5) 66 @ Quinnipiac (5-13) 51
Western Carolina (8-13) 60 @ Furman (12-10) 62

Other teams receiving votes:
#12 Michigan State (18-4) 76 @ Northwestern (15-7) 45
#23 Oregon (17-4) 83 @ #18 Arizona (16-5) 75
#25 Notre Dame (14-6) 66 @ Syracuse (14-8) 81
Cincinnati (16-6) 58 @ UConn (14-6) 57
Santa Clara (7-15) 67 @ Gonzaga (16-5) 84
Cleveland St (7-15) 52 @ Valparaiso (18-4) 77
Washington St (9-11) 71 @ USC (16-5) 81
Washington (14-6) 86 @ UCLA (12-9) 84
Georgia Southern (7-12) 67 @ Arkansas-Little Rock (18-2) 80
UAB (17-4) 62 @ Western Kentucky (11-10) 69
Cal State Bakersfield (14-7) 64 @ Grand Canyon (19-2) 70

Under the radar:
Evansville (18-4) 85 @ Southern Illinois (18-4) 78 (OT)
Texas-Arlington (14-5) 88 @ Louisiana-Monroe (9-11) 99
UNC-Wilmington (15-5) 78 @ James Madison (16-6) 73
Nebraska-Omaha (14-8) 76 @ S Dakota St (17-5) 87
Tennessee St (14-6) 79 @ Tennessee Tech (15-7) 81
Middle Tennessee (14-6) 66 @ Marshall (11-10) 82
Texas-San Antonio (4-17) 75 @ Louisiana Tech (15-5) 85
Belmont (16-6) 72 @ Jacksonville St (8-16) 63
VMI (6-13) 58 @ Mercer (15-6) 73


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GW could be slipping off the bubble in the opinion of the eye test crowd. It just seems that if an A-10 team loses to a team they should have beaten the loss turns into three losses. The talking head pundits then will come up with excuses for 14 and 8 Syracuse to make the tournament because of Jim Boeheim's absence for 9 games. The dude was suspended ! Why should he get a free out of jail card ?
It is not the eye test that GW is failing. They are losing games to teams they need to beat. Last night at home to a >100 team (Richmond). GW's RPI is now 49. Their win over Virginia will only carry them so far. They are not done yet with 2 games still against Davidson and VCU. They need to win at least 2, probably 3.

Speaking of Davidson, they are any RPI tiger. #40 but 0-4 against top 50. They have played the RPI game well. Lose to very good teams.
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Syracuse defeated no. 25 ND, and no. 24 Duke lost earlier this week. Door is open. Need to take care of business Saturday.
Agree, the door is wide open in the AP poll. Pittsburgh might drop out of the coaches poll too.

Since the last poll, the following teams have lost:

AP poll:

25. ND, lost at Syracuse

24. Duke, lost at Miami

Coaches poll:

23. Pittsburgh, lost at Clemson

20. Duke, lost at Miami

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And UCLA right on target again at 12-9. Two more losses and they will be a lock.

They will get the silver spoon treatment at selection time. Three of their players have Affluenza.
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Agree, the door is wide open in the AP poll. Pittsburgh might drop out of the coaches poll too.

Since the last poll, the following teams have lost:

AP poll:

25. ND, lost at Syracuse

24. Duke, lost at Miami

Coaches poll:

23. Pittsburgh, lost at Clemson

20. Duke, lost at Miami
The way it seems to work, watch for Clemson to jump over us in the Coach's poll.
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Friday 1/29:

VCU @ Davidson

Saturday 1/30:

Vandy @ Texas (part of the B12/SEC challenge)
Clemson @ Free Shoe U (Clemson is getting some votes)
Fordham @ UMass
#11 UVA @ #16 Lousiville (Neither would drop far w/ a loss, but an interesting game)
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#14 Iowa St @ #5 aTm (see notes 2 games above)
#15 Miami @ NC State (road upset?)
Northern Illinois @ Miami (they're going to win another game, right? Right?)
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Austin Peay @ SE Miss St
Saint Joes @ Rhody
Duquesne @ SLU
Bama @ South Carolina
Chattanooga @ Samford
#20 Kentucky @ #4 Kansas
St Mary's @ Pacific (St Mary's getting some votes)

Sunday 1/31:

GW @ George Mason (epic battle of the Georges)
Wake @ #25 ND (ND won't get much credit for winning this one at home)
Richmond @ Bonnies
Northwestern @ #3 Iowa
#22 WSU @ Evansville
James Madison @ William & Mary (How many first names can we squeeze into a matchup?)
#23 Oregon @ ASU (Huge win for the ducks at Zona last night, can they complete the desert sweep?)
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The way it seems to work, watch for Clemson to jump over us in the Coach's poll.
If UD wins on Saturday, then we deserve to be ranked. It will be very upsetting if we are not ranked.
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The way it seems to work, watch for Clemson to jump over us in the Coach's poll.
Clemson is an interesting one to look at.

13-7 overall with an RPI of 86; 2-2 against top 25; 6-3 against top 50

Losses to UMass (1-6 A10 ); Minn (0-9 Big10); Alabama (2-5 SEC); S. Carolina (5-2 SEC); Georgia (4-4 SEC); NC (5-3 ACC); Vir (5-3 ACC)

So other than S Carolina, they have lost to mid/bottom tier teams in "lower" conferences. They have no wins against the top 50 outside the ACC. They are 6-2 in ACC. Could it be maybe the ACC isn't really that good?

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Duke, in a special vote, will drop to 25a and ND to 25b.
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Duke, in a special vote, will drop to 25a and ND to 25b.
You forgot Syracuse 25c.
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i don't care if we are ranked in next 10 days. Never seems to work for us.

however, beat St Joe's, GW and Bonnies, we'll be ranked between 15 and 22 going into VCU game ( and don't lose any **** poor games)
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Ok. If you're not watching VCU @ Davidson on ESPN2, turn it on right now! I gave Davidson up for dead when they went down by 22. Wildcats have stormed back...now a 4-point game...under 7 mins
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VCU won and put on a good show at the end. Frankly, except for the end, I was not overly impressed with either team. Davidson closed the gap but did not take advantage of opportunities and was turnover prone. That said, I do respect VCU and what they have done without Shaka.

It was interesting that two times (that I heard) ESPN built up the last regular season game -- VCU v. Dayton -- as the big A-10 matchup. They gave UD respect.
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Slow night Friday Jan 29

A-10 results:
VCU (16-5) 79 @ Davidson (12-7) 69 - VCU holds first place in the A-10, one game up on Dayton

OOC opponents results: no games scheduled

Other teams receiving votes: no games scheduled

Under the radar:
Kent State (15-6) 61 @ Ohio (13-7) 72 - Kent St with a half game lead over N Illinois & Akron in the Mac
Columbia (14-6) 77 @ Dartmouth (7-10) 60 - Columbia tied for first w/Yale in the Ivy League (regular season winner gets NCAA auto-bid)
Green Bay (13-9) 94 @ Wisconsin-Milwaukee (15-7) 95 - Wis-Milwaukee tied with Oakland, two games out of first place in the Horizon League
Wright State (13-9) 63 @ Oakland (14-8) 89 - WSU drops out of first place, one game behind Valpo ( Horizon League top two receive a double bye & home court advantage)

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so who beats VCU to give them one loss before they end the A-10 season at UD who already has one A-10 loss....and can UD keep it at one loss until that VCU game?!
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so who beats VCU to give them one loss before they end the A-10 season at UD who already has one A-10 loss....and can UD keep it at one loss until that VCU game?!
We control our own destiny in getting the one seed in the A-10 tourney. We win out and beat VCU head to head, we get the one seed. Though we would not win the conference out right.
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Is VCU the new Temple? Meaning play tough out of conference. Do respectable, but nothing great. Then come league play, blow the doors off the rest of the conference.
Shaping up to be a three team race - VCU StJoes and UD. Got to hope those teams separate from the rest. Maybe a fourth .. GW most likely? VCU already got StJoes at their place. Of the three, each only plays the others once. True round robin, with no pod influence. I don't know if VCU or StJoes loses to another A10 team (than the 3 leaders). So we are -1 in 3 team race.
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VCU win puts their RPI at a solid 33. Knocks Davidson out of top 50 (52).

Big games today: Vandy at Texas. Vandy sitting at 57. A win should get them under 50.
Alabama at S Carolina. Bama at 54 and a win should get them under 50.
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Watched the entire VCU game. They looked very fast and very good. Wade has them playing at the same high level of effort and speed, but they play less full court press and more tough half court defense. They were a bit more under control offensively than in previous years. As we found out last year, it is tough to beat Davidson on their floor, but VCU overwhelmed them and Gibbs in the first ten minutes. Gibbs had 4 turnovers and no points in the first ten, then the law of averages took over.

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Alie-Cox similar to Pollard... A fouling machine if you go at him right. Plus, we get them at the Arena so I feel good about that one.
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Oklahoma beats LSU by 2 at LSU, but how in the world does Ben Simmons not touch the ball in the last couple of minutes. Oh I know how, Johnny Jones is not good at coaching basketball.

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Simmons is a great talent, but his offensive intensity is lacking. He needs another year of college and some good coaching. What is with the dribbling the ball up the floor and then passing it immediately? Get your butt down the floor and get some picks and position. As C-time pointed out that is a badly coached team with very good talent.
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Full slate Saturday Jan 30

A-10 results:
La Salle (5-14) 44 @ Dayton (18-3) 59
St Joe's (18-3) 64 @ Rhode Island (12-9) 55
Fordham (12-8) 78 @ UMass (8-12) 72 (OT)
Duquesne (15-7) 78 @ St Louis (8-13) 67

OOC opponents results:
Austin Peay (10-14) 86 @ SEMO (5-17) 80
Alabama (11-9) 64 @ South Carolina (19-2) 78
St Peter's (8-11) 57 @ Monmouth (17-5) 73
#7 Xavier (19-2) 86 @ DePaul (7-14) 65
Florida Gulf Coast (13-10) 76 @ North Florida (18-6) 82
Vanderbilt (12-9) 58 @ Texas (14-7) 72
Chattanooga (18-3) 63 @ Samford (11-11) 56
E Tennessee St (13-9) 70 @ Furman (13-10) 74
Northern Illinois (16-5) 59 @ Miami (OH) (7-14) 72
Texas Tech (12-8) 68 @ Arkansas (11-10) 75 (OT)

Other teams receiving votes:
#1 Oklahoma (18-2) 77 @ LSU (13-8) 75
Boston College (7-14) 62 @ #2 North Carolina (19-2) 89
#20 Kentucky (16-5) 84 @ #4 Kansas (17-4) 90 (OT)
#14 Iowa State (16-5) 62 @ #5 Texas A&M (18-3) 72
#9 West Virginia (17-4) 71 @ Florida (14-7) 88
#10 Providence (18-4) 73 @ Georgetown (13-9) 69
#11 Virginia (17-4) 63 @ #16 Louisville (17-4) 47
Memphis (13-8) 68 @ #13 SMU (19-1) 80
#15 Miami (FL) (16-4) 69 @ NC State (12-10) 85
Georgia (11-8) 73 @ #17 Baylor (17-4) 83
Oregon State (12-8) 63 @ #18 Arizona (17-5) 80
Minnesota (6-16) 68 @ #19 Indiana (18-4) 74
Nebraska (12-10) 74 @ #21 Purdue (19-4) 89
St Mary's (18-2) 68 @ Pacific (6-14) 65
Clemson (13-8) 65 @ Florida State (14-7) 76
Washington (14-7) 88 @ USC (17-5) 98
Butler (14-7) 69 @ Marquette (15-7) 75
Youngstown St (9-14) 68 @ Valparaiso (19-4) 97
San Francisco (11-10) 48 @ Gonzaga (17-5) 86
Stanford (11-9) 74 @ Utah (17-5) 96
Michigan (17-5) 79 @ Penn State (11-11) 72
Long Beach State (11-12) 78 @ Hawaii (16-3) 64
UAB (18-4) 81 @ Marshall (11-11) 78
Georgia State (12-7) 53 @ Arkansas-Little Rock (19-2) 63
Seattle (10-11) 59 @ Grand Canyon (19-3) 57
Navy (15-7) 80 @ Holy Cross (9-12) 87 (OT)


Under the radar:
SF Austin (15-5) 66 @ Texas A&M-CC (16-4) 61
Akron (17-4) 73 @ Ball State (13-8) 64
Stony Brook (17-4) 72 @ Vermont (13-10) 61
Santa Barbara (9-11) 76 @ UC Irvine (17-6) 60
S Dakota State (18-5) 67 @ Denver (11-11) 56
College of Charleston (13-8) 55 @ UNC-Wilmington (16-5) 65
Texas-Arlington (14-6) 75 @ Louisiana-Lafayette (11-8) 90
Albany (17-6) 86 @ Hartford (7-16) 60
Belmont (16-7) 79 @ Tennessee Tech (16-7) 89
San Diego State (16-6) 67 @ UNLV (13-9) 52
New Mexico (13-8) 88 @ Boise State (15-7) 83
Radford (13-10) 77 @ Winthrop (16-6) 87
UNC-Greensboro (8-14) 67 @ Mercer (16-6) 81
Hofstra (16-6) 70 @ Drexel (3-18) 64
Seton Hall (15-6) 75 @ Creighton (14-8) 65
Southern Utah (4-15) 50 @ Weber State (15-6) 77
Houston (15-6) 97 @ East Carolina (10-12) 93 (2OT)
Middle Tennessee (15-6) 66 @ Western Kentucky (11-11) 64
Tennessee State (15-6) 78 @ Jacksonville State (8-17) 53
Tulane (8-15) 48 @ Tulsa (14-7) 62

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Mason's giving GW all they can handle right now. Mason's playing a ton of freshmen.
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GW over GM 63-61 at GM, 2:11 left.
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GW hung on to win 76-70.
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GM plays at Richmond Wednesday night at 7pm, UD will be the less fatigued team come Saturday...don't overlook GM, they beat Mississippi and Oklahoma State on a neutral court earlier in the year...they had a suspension(s) or injury(ies) though I think early in the year...so maybe they were a stronger team earlier in the year.
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If they would have made a fraction of the easy buckets they missed, they would have won easily. Don't overlook Mason . . . they have nothing to lose. Not that it will matter, but there should be a couple hundred Dayton fans at the Pat Center for the game.
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Watched the entire VCU game. They looked very fast and very good.
That will be a good test going into the post season - key by that time is that we reduce the turnovers
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Sunday Jan 31 - no major upsets

A-10 results:
George Washington (16-5) 76 @ George Mason (7-14) 70
Richmond (11-9) 68 @ St Bonaventure (13-6) 84

OOC opponents results:
James Madison (16-7) 62 @ William & Mary (15-6) 68
Northwestern (15-8) 71 @ #3 Iowa (17-4) 85

Other teams receiving votes:
#6 Villanova (18-3) 68 @ St John's (7-15) 53
#8 Maryland (19-3) 66 @ Ohio State (14-9) 61
Rutgers (6-16) 62 @ #12 Michigan State (19-4) 96
#22 Wichita State (16-5) 78 @ Evansville (18-5) 65
#23 Oregon (18-4) 91 @ Arizona State (12-10) 74
Wake Forest (10-11) 62 @ #25 Notre Dame (15-6) 85
Virginia Tech (12-10) 71 @ Pitt (17-4) 90
Cal (14-8) 62 @ Colorado (17-5) 70
UConn (15-6) 67 @ UCF (10-9) 41

Under the radar:
Southern Illinois (18-5) 58 @ Northern Iowa (12-11) 67
Texas-El Paso (11-11) 70 @ Louisiana Tech (16-5) 78
Western Illinois (7-13) 67 @ IPFW (18-6) 88
N Dakota St (14-8) 72 @ IUPUI (11-13) 73

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Monday 2/1:

#2 UNC @ #16 Louisville
Monmouth @ Siena (Battle for 1st place)
THE Citadel @ Chattanooga
Stetson @ North Florida
#13 SMU @ Houston (every SMU win is good for bubble teams, while a win for Houston would be huge for their at large chances)
Texas @ #17 Baylor
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Monday Feb 1 - three ranked teams fall

A-10 results: no games scheduled

OOC opponents results:
Monmouth (18-5) 93 @ Siena (15-8) 87
Stetson (9-15) 86 @ North Florida (18-7) 82
The Citadel (10-13) 85 @ Chattanooga (19-3) 125(!)

Other teams receiving votes:
#2 North Carolina (19-3) 65 @ #19 Louisville (18-4) 71
#12 SMU (19-2) 68 @ Houston (16-6) 71
Texas (15-7) 67 @ #15 Baylor (17-5) 59

Under the radar:
Mercer (17-6) 85 @ Samford (11-12) 70
NC State (12-11) 73 @ Florida State (15-7) 77

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Shaka is doing a good job at Texas.
They are quietly building a resume.
Baylor is a very good team, and beating them at home is quite the feat!
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That 125 that Chattanooga dropped on the Citadel is impressive but it's not even the most they've given up this year. Butler almost beat the over by themselves with an insane 144!

That's right, the scoring juggernaut Butler Bulldogs.

Citadel is a balls out fun and gun team that presses 40 minutes regardless of score or situation. And the shoots practically as soon as they cross half court.

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UNF losing at home to Stetson is a tough one for them. They were undefeated w/ a home victory over Jacksonville (6-2 in conference). May set up a showdown at the end of the season, at Jacksonville for the 1 seed in their conference tournament, not sure if they play at a neutral site, or at the home site of the 1 seed, or at the home site of the top rated team remaining. Since its the ASun, I'm going to guess that its one of the last 2 typical options, and getting that 1 seed would be huge for UNF's tournament hopes.

anyways, on to today Tuesday Feb, 2:

Happy Groundhog day!!!

LSU @ Auburn (A tournament w/o Simmons? Inconceivable.)
G'town @ Butler (Man how Butler has fallen, GTown hoping to get to the right side of the bubble, big game for both teams)
#25 South Carolina @ Georgia (still not sure if USC has beaten much of anybody)
Rhody @ UMass
#20 UK @ Tennessee
Miami @ E Michigan (like Phil Conners, I'm sure Miami will lose again)
Clemson @ Wake (road upset for a team on the fringes of the top 25?)
#22 Indiana @ Michigan (While IU may be 4th on one ballot, a lose in Ann Arbor may knock them out of the top 25 and propel Michigan into it)
Duke @ GTech (Somebody is missing a number next to their name, and I'm not talking about our former coach)
#11 Providence @ Depaul (just b/c they are ranked, I doubt DePaul stays w/n 15 of the Friars)
#14 WVU @ #13 Iowa St (This should be a fun, up and down game, will there be blizzard issues?)
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Shaka is doing a good job at Texas.
They are quietly building a resume.
Baylor is a very good team, and beating them at home is quite the feat!
Texas has the #2 SOS. They need to start consistently winning and they can be top 15.
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Texas has the #2 SOS. They need to start consistently winning and they can be top 15.
Texas has a really good resume right now. 5-5 against top 50 with wins against NC, Iowa St and at WVU. 1 bad loss (at TCU #168) but hey, who doesn't. I would put them over the bottom 5 teams of the polls.
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Tomorrow's the night . . . the Bonnies knock off St. Joe's; LaSalle upsets VCU. Who do we want in the GW-Davidson game?
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Tomorrow's the night . . . the Bonnies knock off St. Joe's; LaSalle upsets VCU. Who do we want in the GW-Davidson game?
Both GW and Davidson are sitting right outside the top 50 and we own tiebreaker for both, but probably want to pull for GW to win as much as possible. They have a good shot at an at-large bid and a win over a tournament team in the top 50 does more for us.
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UMass takes down Rhody in overtime.


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No. 20 falls when Tennessee overcame its 21-point deficit and won 84-77 in an upset of Kentucky, which has lost two in a row. Almost turned the game off, but wanted to see if playing at home they could at least close the gap. Then, Tennessee's rally was rather incredible and I could not turn it off.
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It seems like the bottom of the NBE is beginning to settle in as awful basketball teams. It's inevitable. It's the way a league works.
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We wanted RI to win. Play them 2x and top 100 team. Now boarderline top 100
Rhody is sinking quick. Things change with injuries, etc. That is why I find it hard to rely on the prediction models like Sagarin.

How big of a deal do you think it means whether a win is 95 or 105? I understand the perceived difference between 45 or 55. I also would understand there would be a perceived difference between a 95 and a 105 loss.
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A-10 results:
Rhode Island (12-10) 56 @ UMass (9-12) 61 (OT)

OOC opponents results:
Alabama (12-9) 82 @ Mississippi St (9-12) 80 (OT)
Miami (OH) (7-15) 69 @ Eastern Michigan (11-11) 94

Other teams receiving votes:
TCU (10-12) 72 @ #1 Oklahoma (19-2) 95
#11 Providence (18-5) 70 @ Depaul (8-14) 77
#14 West Virginia (18-4) 81 @ #13 Iowa State (16-6) 76
#20 Kentucky (16-6) 77 @ Tennessee (11-11) 84
#22 Indiana (19-4) 80 @ Michigan (17-6) 67
#25 South Carolina (19-3) 56 @ Georgia (12-8) 69
Duke (16-6) 80 @ Georgia Tech (12-10) 71
Georgetown (13-10) 76 @ Butler (15-7) 87
Clemson (14-8) 76 @ Wake Forest (10-12) 62

Under the radar:
Akron (18-4) 80 @ Ohio (13-8) 68
Texas A&M-CC (16-5) 65 @ Incarnate Word (11-8) 70
Buffalo (13-9) 90 @ Northern Illinois (16-6) 78
Winthrop (16-7) 77 @ Liberty (10-15) 88
Colorado State (12-10) 67 @ San Diego State (17-6) 69
Kent State (15-7) 61 @ Central Michigan (13-9) 88
Utah State (11-10) 67 @ Boise State (16-7) 70
Virginia Tech (12-11) 60 @ Syracuse (16-8) 68 (OT)
LSU (14-8) 80 @ Auburn (9-12) 68
UNLV !13-10) 83 @ New Mexico (14-8) 87

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Well hope nobody listened to me on that prediction that DePaul couldn't hang w/n 15 of the Friars, but the Miami advice was solid (if not entirely too easy to predict)

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Creighton @ #3 Nova (a Creighton upset would propel them right into the middle of the bubble)
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2 losses in a row for GT, Syracuse and Duke, GT needs to pick it up if they are going to be an at large bid contender.
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Originally Posted by frisco flyer View Post
It could be that the next poll will have neither Duke nor Kentuky.
This is the stuff of dreams!
Ky out of the polls will happen when hell freezes over. Oh wait it already did with ND and Duke.
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GW over Davidson
Bona over St. Joes
VCU over LaSalle
GMU over Richmond


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GW over Davidson
Bona over St. Joes
VCU over LaSalle
GMU over Richmond


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3 of 4 A10 road teams win...oh, and thank you Bonnies. Five A10 teams currently in RPI Top 50 (UD, VCU, Joe's, GW, Bona).

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Wednesday Feb 3

A-10 results:
VCU (17-5) 88 @ La Salle (5-15) 70
George Mason (8-14) 78 @ Richmond (11-10) 74
St Bonaventure (14-6) 83 @ St Joe's (18-4) 73
Davidson (12-8) 69 @ George Washington (17-5) 79

OOC opponents results:
Penn State (11-12) 49 @ #5 Iowa (18-4) 73
St John's (7-16) 83 @ #6 Xavier (20-2) 90
Arkansas (11-11) 83 @ Florida (15-7) 87

Other teams receiving votes:
Creighton (14-9) 58 @ #3 Villanova (19-3) 83
#4 Maryland (20-3) 70 @ Nebraska (12-11) 65
Kansas State (13-9) 59 @ #7 Kansas (18-4) 77
Boston College (7-15) 47 @ #9 Virginia (18-4) 61
Notre Dame (15-7) 70 @ #17 Miami (FL) (17-4) 79
Southern Illinois (18-6) 55 @ #21 Wichita State (17-5) 76
#23 Arizona (18-5) 79 @ Washington State (9-13) 64
Binghamton (5-17) 51 @ Stony Brook (18-4) 76
Arizona State (12-11) 83 @ Washington (15-7) 95 (OT)
Marquette (15-8) 62 @ Seton Hall (16-6) 79

Under the radar:
Evansville (18-6) 54 @ Northern Iowa (13-11) 57
Albany (18-6) 79 @ Maryland-BC (5-19) 73
UC Irvine (18-6) 78 @ Cal Poly (8-13) 72 (OT)
Gardner-Webb (12-12) 77 @ High Point (14-8) 72
Fresno State (14-8) 53 @ San Jose St (8-15) 65

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Ohio State @ Wisconsin (Wisky is starting to perk on the bubble, tOSU would like to join them there)
Tulsa @ Temple (Both off the bubble, winner may get back on the back end of the bubble...for the time being)
#8 aTm @ Vandy (Vandy desperately needs to pile up wins, this would be huge)
bill & Mary @ Northeastern
Wofford @ Chattanooga
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Furman @ Samford
UConn @ Memphis (would be a big win for UConn, and the AAC's hope of getting more than 1 team into the dance, bubble teams everywhere pulling for Memphis)
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George Mason beats the Spiders on the road last night. They go home with confidence and wait for the Flyers Saturday. Pure definition of a trap game.
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George Mason beats the Spiders on the road last night. They go home with confidence and wait for the Flyers Saturday. Pure definition of a trap game.
I'd say we have 3 trap games before the at Joes game.

1. As described above.
2. Duq at home. They are better than they were when we played them in Pittsburgh.
3. At URI next Friday night - Friday night, ESPN. UAC will tell you how things usually end up in Kingston.
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George Mason beats the Spiders on the road last night. They go home with confidence and wait for the Flyers Saturday. Pure definition of a trap game.
Not exactly what I would call a trap game, because I don't think what the team your playing does the game before matters as much as what you do the game before (and against what quality of opponent), as well as what quality of opponent you have after that.

BUT

Seeing how we always seem to blow our Top 25 ranking, I think that's why I would call it a trap game.
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Actually, while I agree with San Diego Flyer, even more than the trap game I am concerned with the target on our back as a result of being ranked -- because of our past performance when ranked.
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When you are top dog, every game except those with you in the standings is a trap game. Every A10 will be gunning to beat UD to make / salvage their season. UD's record the last 3 years, shows this team is in the top 2-4 spots in the league now. UD will be picked to finish near the top again next preseason.

Goes with the territory. This program elevates when it can consistently overcomes the underdog teams that want to knock them off.
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Not exactly what I would call a trap game, because I don't think what the team your playing does the game before matters as much as what you do the game before (and against what quality of opponent), as well as what quality of opponent you have after that.

BUT

Seeing how we always seem to blow our Top 25 ranking, I think that's why I would call it a trap game.
All I know is if I were a betting man, I'd take the points. And I don't even know how many we would be giving yet.
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Go Vandy! Up 14 on #8 A&M with 15m to go.
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:25 PM
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Vandy is bangin' threes with abandon--up 17 with 7:50 left
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Old 02-04-2016, 08:39 PM
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Vandy by 19 w/ 1 min to go. Big-time win
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