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Well there is a kick in the teeth to St. Louis. Last year, St. Louis was ranked 53 and 1st in the Atlantic 10. It is also a kick in the teeth to the Atlantic 10 whose 6th best team last year was ranked 88 in Massachusetts.
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I’m betting we have 2 or 3 teams in the top 50 this year so no need for dentures just yet
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These guys didn't even have UD in the top 144 last season.
Take with a big boulder of salt.
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So here we go again!
I'm predicting the Flyers in here at about 40. (And 20 by the end of the season.)
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Except for some of the top teams, these pre-season polls will be based largely on last year's results. The A10 sucked last year, so this 144 result is expected.
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So here we go again!
I'm predicting the Flyers in here at about 40. (And 20 by the end of the season.)
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I’ll take that since predicting closer to 50-55
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VCU 25
Davidson 32
Dayton 44
URI 70
Duquesne 100
Not my prediction. My prediction of their prediction.
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VCU 25
Davidson 32
Dayton 44
URI 70
Duquesne 100
Not my prediction. My prediction of their prediction.
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I find it interesting that teams anticipated to win their conference are ranked in the 130 range. That means that some of these teams are being placed at the bottom of this list just so that a particular conference has, at least, one representative on this list. If teams below these teams are that bad; perhaps these teams would be better served for competition sake into a different division? I offer no disrespect to these teams but wouldn’t it be better if these teams were in division 2 instead of division 1? These leagues are NEC, SWAC and MEAC? Again, no disrespect but are there too many teams in division 1? What would happen to scheduling if the number of division 1 schools in basketball were reduced? Would Dayton get a better or worse non-conference schedule? Would games be more or less competitive?
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I've felt for years that division 1 is too big. Cut 100 schools out, reduce the auto bids by 8, take the tournament field back to 64. Cap Division 1 at 256 schools. That would make late conference play and March Madness off-the-charts amazing.
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Originally Posted by sheg
I've felt for years that division 1 is too big. Cut 100 schools out, reduce the auto bids by 8, take the tournament field back to 64. Cap Division 1 at 256 schools. That would make late conference play and March Madness off-the-charts amazing.
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Or, if staying with 256, have everyone play in NCAA tournament. For those who don’t want everyone to get a participation trophy, move the tournament to 128. That is literally only one additional round. The P5 would freak out because the middling teams would lose to “lower conference” teams.
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Originally Posted by Jeff
My exact prediction of your prediction of their prediction.
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What is this prediction predicated on?
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Originally Posted by springborofan
Or, if staying with 256, have everyone play in NCAA tournament. For those who don’t want everyone to get a participation trophy, move the tournament to 128. That is literally only one additional round. The P5 would freak out because the middling teams would lose to “lower conference” teams.
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I once thought this was a good idea too, but fear we would have the same BS with selections we have now. 7-23 (4-16 in conference) Rutgers gets selected due to their "strength of schedule" and dramatic at home 53-52 win over 15-15 Indiana, while 20-10 (12-6) XYZ from the Atlantic 10 gets ignored. The Power 5 bias will only get worse, sadly.
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I’ve always wondered how the membership money to the NCAA breaks out. I’d like to know the Talley for P5 members vs all the other D1 schools. I’ve never seen this anywhere, so I’m not sure it’s public. I’m taking about the Total revenue generated from membership fees, not the individual school’s membership fee. My assumption is Michigan’s membership fee is more than Dayton’s. This is a middle-class vs the 1%ers question. Which group has the financial power and are they using it to level the playing field when decisions are being made? Or do the P5 schools just run everything even if they don’t really foot the bill?
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Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan
I once thought this was a good idea too, but fear we would have the same BS with selections we have now. 7-23 (4-16 in conference) Rutgers gets selected due to their "strength of schedule" and dramatic at home 53-52 win over 15-15 Indiana, while 20-10 (12-6) XYZ from the Atlantic 10 gets ignored. The Power 5 bias will only get worse, sadly.
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The only way to cure that would be to have the NCAAT structured like the OHSAA basketball tournaments, where everybody gets in, and seeding is done according to district/region. Granted, we’d see some ridiculously gerrymandered districts (since they’d need to find a way to separate Duke from UNC, Michigan from Michigan State, etc., to satisfy their P5 bias), but that would be as close as anything to an unbiased selection process. Include everyone.
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Potential Maui opponent Virginia Tech is #123. Sounds like a rebuilding year for them, should be a winnable game if it happens
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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Charleston or I guess it’s called Charleston Southern University comes in at 90. I see Sam Miller’s name on the roster with 4.7 points as his average. He is a senior. Charleston is picked to win their conference, the CAA. We will see Sam Miller on November 16. How will the UD crowd react? I think the crowd will be respectful. Why shouldn’t they be respectful? The kid is young and made some mistakes!
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
Charleston or I guess it’s called Charleston Southern University comes in at 90. I see Sam Miller’s name on the roster with 4.7 points as his average. He is a senior. Charleston is picked to win their conference, the CAA. We will see Sam Miller on November 16. How will the UD crowd react? I think the crowd will be respectful. Why shouldn’t they be respectful? The kid is young and made some mistakes!
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Sam plays for the College of Charleston. They are #90. We play Charleston Southern.
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I see Texas A&M at 102, I am down here in Aggieland and all the buzz surrounds Buzz. He has got a few key recruits, I see them surprising some people. Maybe not winning the SEC, but competing 17-18 wins.
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With Bona at 101 it'll be 4 Top 100 teams in the A10. Dayton, VCU and Davidson would all be locks
I guess Rhode Island has to be the fourth team
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Still waiting on Drake, Georgia, Colorado & St. Mary's
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I think Bonas has an honest shot at an NCAA this year. They are still young but will be more experienced.
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I think Bonas has an honest shot at an NCAA this year. They are still young but will be more experienced.
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The sophomore group of Lofton/Welch/Osunniyi is great core.
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The sophomore group of Lofton/Welch/Osunniyi is great core.
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And with a coach like Schmidt, they’re likely to overachieve.
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Sam plays for the College of Charleston. They are #90. We play Charleston Southern.
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Longtime fan: Oops! Thank you for the correction. I guess i’ve Never heard of Charleston Southern before. I’ll bet a lot of people get confused on that one. I follow college basketball pretty closely, but Charleston Southern has missed my radar somehow. I mean no disrespect to Charleston Southern. My assignment is to write Charleston Southern 50 times on the blackboard in order to put it to memory. Strangely, when I looked at their web site, they do not list the Dayton game on their schedule. They show other teams but not the Dayton game.
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UC-Irvine comes in at 84 on this countdown list. If I am understanding this correctly, Emmanuel Tshimanga, Jordy Tshimanga’s brother is on this team. He is listed as a freshman center at 6’11” 275. UC Irvine is picked to win the Big West conference. Tell me, again, how Dayton recruiters missed on Obi’s brother and Jordy’s brother?
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
UC-Irvine comes in at 84 on this countdown list. If I am understanding this correctly, Emmanuel Tshimanga, Jordy Tshimanga’s brother is on this team. He is listed as a freshman center at 6’11” 275. UC Irvine is picked to win the Big West conference. Tell me, again, how Dayton recruiters missed on Obi’s brother and Jordy’s brother?
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Not every kid wants to play with their brother. Not every recruit is looking for the same things in a school as their brother. It is pretty simple. You really do not hear about brothers playing at the same school at the same time that often outside of twins.
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I remember when Chris Wright was recruited. Everyone said that many players will be interested in playing with Chris Wright and we should see an uptick in recruiting. Obviously, they were referring to Adrian Payne, a relative. That didn’t work.
The Dallas Mavericks used the same analogy. They signed Dirk Nowitski and said many players will want to play with him. That didn’t work as player after player signed somewhere else.
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
UC-Irvine comes in at 84 on this countdown list. If I am understanding this correctly, Emmanuel Tshimanga, Jordy Tshimanga’s brother is on this team. He is listed as a freshman center at 6’11” 275. UC Irvine is picked to win the Big West conference. Tell me, again, how Dayton recruiters missed on Obi’s brother and Jordy’s brother?
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Also see: Paxson/Paxson
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In addition, who says that the brother is the equivalent of the player we signed?
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I can still recall a picture that appeared in the Flyer News when Kenny May signed with UD. Ken is seated at a table pretending to sign his LOI and big brother Don is standing at his shoulder, semi-smiling approvingly. Ken didn't have much choice. He grew up a few miles from campus and his mom worked in the cafeteria at KU.
I could identify with Ken: my older brother went to UD, too.
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We had Emmanuel Tshimanga in for a visit at the same time as Jordy. I don't believe we offered, though I can't remember for sure. Just because it's a current player's brother doesn't mean we want them.
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And May's, Bockhorn's, Hatton's ?
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Originally Posted by Buckleyma
I remember when Chris Wright was recruited. Everyone said that many players will be interested in playing with Chris Wright and we should see an uptick in recruiting. Obviously, they were referring to Adrian Payne, a relative. That didn’t work.
The Dallas Mavericks used the same analogy. They signed Dirk Nowitski and said many players will want to play with him. That didn’t work as player after player signed somewhere else.
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Heard that had a lot to do with Staten Payne did not care much for Staten. Stems from playing on local AAU teams .Some of the same things that caused trouble at UD.
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UC-Irvine comes in at 84 on this countdown list. If I am understanding this correctly, Emmanuel Tshimanga, Jordy Tshimanga’s brother is on this team. He is listed as a freshman center at 6’11” 275. UC Irvine is picked to win the Big West conference. Tell me, again, how Dayton recruiters missed on Obi’s brother and Jordy’s brother?
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I think the staff decided to go with Sissoko over him
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You’re a good, moral, and smart man.
Also, my wife and I both went to UD (which is where we met), as did both her sister and mine. So, of course, our daughter went to... SLU. She wanted to forge her own way. But at least she said Eggsavier was not even on her radar. She is a good, moral, and smart woman.
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...who played in the ‘60s, ‘50s, and ‘60s, respectively. Today, it’s a whole other story.
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Temple in at 82 on this countdown list. This 144 list is predicting that Temple will finish 7th in their conference and go to the NIT. That means that 7 out of the 12 schools in the American Athletic conference will either go to the NCAA or the NIT. Can the Atlantic 10 perform this well? Dayton SHOULD be in a conference this good. Dayton fans deserve to be in a conference at this level.
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Still waiting on Drake, Georgia, Colorado & St. Mary's
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Oklahoma State comes in at 81 on this list. I see that they have Jonathon Laurent, a transfer from Massachusetts on this team. I was impressed with Laurent when he played Dayton. I see that he is a senior, now. This Oklahoma State team seems to have a lot of talent. Perhaps, they are under appreciated on this ranking?
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You’re a good, moral, and smart man.
Also, my wife and I both went to UD (which is where we met), as did both her sister and mine. So, of course, our daughter went to...SLU. She wanted to forge her own way. But at least she said Eggsavier was not even on her radar. She is a good, moral, and smart woman.
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My pops played for Duquesne...Got his masters degree from X...and was a lifelong UD season ticket holder...WUT? lol
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By logic we will be the next A10 team. Probably 45 to 55 and projected NIT.
Not my forecast. We will be first or second in the A10, top 30 and an NCAA bid.
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Agree with your prediction of their prediction.
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Can I agree with your prediction of his prediction of their prediction?
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Agreed.
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By logic we will be the next A10 team. Probably 45 to 55 and projected NIT.
Not my forecast. We will be first or second in the A10, top 30 and an NCAA bid.
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I agree!
I know these preseason rankings are basically worthless but I see no way Davidson should be ahead of us given how close we were last year and with all we have coming in and losing only Josh, a big loss but 2nd half of season Josh was less a factor than the previous 3 half seasons where he was beast mode.
Too many of these ‘predictions’ are taking a wait and see attitude with the Flyers which kind of goes against the entire concept of a prediction. Buy or sell on what has been added but don't wait and see.
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In the Rhode Island review, the content mentions Cyril Langevine. He is such a force. He is so strong. He should be in the movies playing a gladiator or a half-robot warrior or some such.
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In the Rhode Island review, the content mentions Cyril Langevine. He is such a force. He is so strong. He should be in the movies playing a gladiator or a half-robot warrior or some such.
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He was in both games against us.
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In the Rhode Island review, the content mentions Cyril Langevine. He is such a force. He is so strong. He should be in the movies playing a gladiator or a half-robot warrior or some such.
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This is why I was surprised by their lack of success last season. With him down low + Dowtin/Fats I thought that team was going to be really solid.
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This is why I was surprised by their lack of success last season. With him down low + Dowtin/Fats I thought that team was going to be really solid.
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Dowtin and Fatts struggled mightily for a good part of the early and mid season. By the end of the year they were both playing much better and therefore so was the team. I thought they would have been better too but I think they could be right there with VCU, Davidson and the Flyers this year.
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I never bought in to the URI hype last year
Originally Posted by hawkoooo
This is why I was surprised by their lack of success last season. With him down low + Dowtin/Fats I thought that team was going to be really solid.
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You weren't the only one. In this poll they were afforded a glowing review last year mostly based on hope and sadly underperformed, losing 7 of 8 in one stretch. Other than a brief season ending stretch highlighted by close wins over UD and then VCU at Barkleys, and no one else of consequence, they really did not live up to their billing. Got pasted in the semi's at Barkley's by the Bonnies. When a team never lives up to it's unproven preseason hype one year, is it prudent to anoint the same bunch with stardom the next season? I dunno. Maybe they will be better, but then again just maybe these guys don't have the right chemistry together. One thing for sure, we are going to find out.
This poll missed sadly on at least 3 predictions last year that I can think of-- URI, SMU, and UD(because we should have been in it).
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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Depending on the night, Fatts was one of the best in the A10 or one of the worst.
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I believe URI was the worst 3 point % shooting team in the country last year...YIKES!!! I'm guessing they improve on that this year...as they say nowhere to go but up.
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Depending on the night, Fatts was one of the best in the A10 or one of the worst.
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Which is a big reason URI went 9-9 in league play.
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CBB Central is also doing a countdown and UD made their top 40.
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Georgia is 48 and VCU 21 and Davidson 47 and RI 77 and IU 65.
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BG and USF check in at #72, #6 in the AAC, NIT projection. We need to get him on our schedule.
https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/17746:
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Georgia is 48 and VCU 21 and Davidson 47 and RI 77 and IU 65.
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Wow...IU at 65 and we are in the top 40!!! Best wishes for Archie turning things around there. Having lived in Indiana before, I know how impatient the natives must be with the team.
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Western Kentucky #64. #1 in CUSA.
This is the type of team that we should be targeting for home and home series if we are coming up short with getting additional good home and home series. Pretty consistently good, not too far away, likely willing to play us home and home. Q1 road game. Q2 home game.
Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
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This is probably addressed over and over elsewhere on the MB, but I'm still puzzled why New Mexico, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Houston, and a host of others where we have some history, won't schedule us. It's not like we embarrassed them. Now Pittsburgh I can understand after what we did to them. But we had a good series with Creighton and New Mexico. Frustrating.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Western Kentucky #64. #1 in CUSA.
This is the type of team that we should be targeting for home and home series if we are coming up short with getting additional good home and home series. Pretty consistently good, not too far away, likely willing to play us home and home. Q1 road game. Q2 home game.
Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/17768
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If only the NCAA used the collegesportsmadness.com preseason rankings to determine quads.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Western Kentucky #64. #1 in CUSA.
This is the type of team that we should be targeting for home and home series if we are coming up short with getting additional good home and home series. Pretty consistently good, not too far away, likely willing to play us home and home. Q1 road game. Q2 home game.
Quadrant 1: Home 1-30; Neutral 1-50; Away 1-75.
Quadrant 2: Home 31-75; Neutral 51-100; Away 76-135.
https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/17768
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
This is probably addressed over and over elsewhere on the MB, but I'm still puzzled why New Mexico, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Houston, and a host of others where we have some history, won't schedule us. It's not like we embarrassed them. Now Pittsburgh I can understand after what we did to them. But we had a good series with Creighton and New Mexico. Frustrating.
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The timing on the MWC challenge is fortuitous after the scheduling difficulties this year
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
This is probably addressed over and over elsewhere on the MB, but I'm still puzzled why New Mexico, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Houston, and a host of others where we have some history, won't schedule us. It's not like we embarrassed them. Now Pittsburgh I can understand after what we did to them. But we had a good series with Creighton and New Mexico. Frustrating.
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Yeah, but we played Creighton before they were in the BE. Now that they’re in the BE, the cool kids probably won’t let them hang out with us nerds.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
This is probably addressed over and over elsewhere on the MB, but I'm still puzzled why New Mexico, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Houston, and a host of others where we have some history, won't schedule us. It's not like we embarrassed them. Now Pittsburgh I can understand after what we did to them. But we had a good series with Creighton and New Mexico. Frustrating.
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WKU and EKU are both out? Ugh. EKU is rarely good, that's no big loss. Creighton and Houston I can see, BE and AAC teams are going to be hard to land. We can get NM in the MWC challenge though.
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If only the NCAA used the collegesportsmadness.com preseason rankings to determine quads.
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I am not sure what your point is? Of course csm is only an educated guess, everybody is just guessing. ESPN and CBS are both picking WKU to win CUSA too, are those worthless guesses too?
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I am not sure what your point is? Of course csm is only an educated guess, everybody is just guessing. ESPN and CBS are both picking WKU to win CUSA too, are those worthless guesses too?
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His point is that these rankings and the NET rankings used to determine quadrants are using different measurements. The best C-USA team was 101 in the NET rankings last year. WKU was 113. Which means a borderline Q2 on the road, nothing at home.
Not saying we shouldn't schedule them - but we would need to dial back the impact of those wins on our resume.
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Didn’t the current Creighton AD have some “lovely” things to say about Dayton in an interview? If they played us and got beat he would have egg all over his face.
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His point is that these rankings and the NET rankings used to determine quadrants are using different measurements. The best C-USA team was 101 in the NET rankings last year. WKU was 113. Which means a borderline Q2 on the road, nothing at home.
Not saying we shouldn't schedule them - but we would need to dial back the impact of those wins on our resume.
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So what?
And the year before that the best cusa team, mtsu, was #33 in the rpi. That is practically a q1 home and road win.
I have said several times that we are going to have to start taking more chances with scheduling. It is our only option at this point.
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So what?
And the year before that the best cusa team, wku, was #39 in the rpi.
I have said several times that we are going to have to start taking more chances with scheduling. It is our only option at this point.
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Really, our ONLY option? In many peoples opinion our OOC SoS has been fine. They wish we had a couple better home games, but the SoS has been fine. When we don't make the NCAAT based on our OOC let me know. Last time I checked, this has not been what has kept us out.
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
This is probably addressed over and over elsewhere on the MB, but I'm still puzzled why New Mexico, Creighton, Western Kentucky, Eastern Kentucky, Houston, and a host of others where we have some history, won't schedule us. It's not like we embarrassed them. Now Pittsburgh I can understand after what we did to them. But we had a good series with Creighton and New Mexico. Frustrating.
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And how are Ohio U., Belmont, and Rhode Island able to get a home and home with WKU, but we can't? I am very skeptical that we can not get WKU to play us.
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And how are Ohio U., Belmont, and Rhode Island able to get a home and home with WKU, but we can't? I am very skeptical that we can not get WKU to play us.
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You could have stopped that last sentence after word #4
The schedule is more than fine and sets us up with all the opportunity needed to make the dance with plenty of room to spare IF the actual results align with the talent.
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Really, our ONLY option? In many peoples opinion our OOC SoS has been fine. They wish we had a couple better home games, but the SoS has been fine. When we don't make the NCAAT based on our OOC let me know. Last time I checked, this has not been what has kept us out.
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While I generally agree that the OOC has been our strength. I believe last year it was the OOC record that kept us out of the dance. OOC schedule was fine, we just didn't win enough, unlike most years.
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While I generally agree that the OOC has been our strength. UI believe last year it was the OOC record that kept us out of the dance. OOC schedule was fine, we just didn't win enough, unlike most years.
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I agree, but that is on us for not winning, not the schedule.
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Really, our ONLY option? In many peoples opinion our OOC SoS has been fine. They wish we had a couple better home games, but the SoS has been fine. When we don't make the NCAAT based on our OOC let me know. Last time I checked, this has not been what has kept us out.
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And I am continually amazed at your lack of ambition. We will struggle to ever get past the round of 32 again if we keep employing this sort of scheduling model.
These type of scheduling decisions are very much oriented towards short-term revenue boosts/short-term thinking. This type of schedule is not at all good for the long-term welfare of the program.
We need to stop subjugating the long-term welfare of the program below short-term revenue goals.
If you look at the scheduling history of non-p5 programs like Gonzaga, Butler, Xavier, Temple, VCU, etc. when they were climbing the ladder, this just getting by with an 11 seed/barely squeaking into the NCAAT approach was not at all the approach that they took. They all employed a much more take-on-all-comers/play anybody anywhere type attitude. And that is something that we have never done.
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And I am continually amazed at your lack of ambition. We will struggle to ever get past the round of 32 again if we keep employing this sort of scheduling model.
These type of scheduling decisions are very much oriented towards short-term revenue boosts/short-term thinking. This type of schedule is not at all good for the long-term welfare of the program.
We need to stop subjugating the long-term welfare of the program below short-term revenue goals.
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I do not have lack of ambition. I am just realistic and realize the problems with scheduling that you continue to ignore. You refuse to acknowledge that there is more to scheduling a game than calling up a team and saying lets play. I have seen many times Team A will agree to a game, but hold off on signing paperwork while they still look for a game and then leave Team B high and dry when they find a better game. There is WAY more that goes into the negotiation for a game than you and every other fan do not think about.
As far as UD goes, Neil clearly stated that getting to a certain amount of wins AND having a balanced SoS is the key. All you are concerned about is your 15/15 split. The key for a team like Dayton is have a decently hard SoS (Top 30ish) and win 21-24 games. You can't schedule all quad 1 and quad 2 games and expect to hit that number. There are times during the schedule you need that easier game.
I totally disagree on this being short-term thinking and short-term revenue boosts. They have a system, it has been successful, and they have made changes as they have gone. They are playing more neutral site games than I can ever remember the last few years. They are paying teams to go to them to play (St. Mary's). Just because they are not doing your 15/15 split does not mean they are not trying new things to adapt and keep up.
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And how are Ohio U., Belmont, and Rhode Island able to get a home and home with WKU, but we can't? I am very skeptical that we can not get WKU to play us.
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Simple. None of them play at UD Arena.
If you think the lack of Power 5 schools on our schedule is due to a lack of trying, then you haven't been paying attention.
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Why does UD2 have to infect sooooo many threads with his relentless discussion of the schedule. Will you guys please quit arguing with him. Does a falling tree make noise if no one is listening?
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Just got my Lindy's preview magazine today, and I see they pick Colorado as ranked # 16 - but the top 144 countdown today has Colorado at # 63.
Somebody is way off. I hope they are really a top 20 team when the Flyers beat them!
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
I do not have lack of ambition. I am just realistic and realize the problems with scheduling that you continue to ignore. You refuse to acknowledge that there is more to scheduling a game than calling up a team and saying lets play. I have seen many times Team A will agree to a game, but hold off on signing paperwork while they still look for a game and then leave Team B high and dry when they find a better game. There is WAY more that goes into the negotiation for a game than you and every other fan do not think about.
As far as UD goes, Neil clearly stated that getting to a certain amount of wins AND having a balanced SoS is the key. All you are concerned about is your 15/15 split. The key for a team like Dayton is have a decently hard SoS (Top 30ish) and win 21-24 games. You can't schedule all quad 1 and quad 2 games and expect to hit that number. There are times during the schedule you need that easier game.
I totally disagree on this being short-term thinking and short-term revenue boosts. They have a system, it has been successful, and they have made changes as they have gone. They are playing more neutral site games than I can ever remember the last few years. They are paying teams to go to them to play (St. Mary's). Just because they are not doing your 15/15 split does not mean they are not trying new things to adapt and keep up.
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I remain very skeptical that we are ever going to get anywhere with our scheduling model.
Look at VCU last year: 23 rpi, 65 sos, kenpom ooc sos 67, 38 net...25-7...16-3 in A10...9-4 ooc...all they got was an 8 seed, and they didn't even make it out of the first round...they got hammered by 15 by UCF in the first round. They had 9 top 100 rpi ooc games and went 5-4. I suppose they could have done better there, maybe going 6-3 instead. 6-3 maybe bumps them up to a 7.
But still, 25 friggin wins, and all they get is an 8.
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I remain very skeptical that we are ever going to get anywhere with our scheduling model.
Look at VCU last year: 23 rpi, 65 sos, kenpom ooc sos 67, 38 net...25-7...16-3 in A10...9-4 ooc...all they got was an 8 seed, and they didn't even make it out of the first round...they got hammered by 15 by UCF in the first round. They had 9 top 100 rpi ooc games and went 5-4. I suppose they could have done better there, maybe going 6-3 instead. 6-3 maybe bumps them up to a 7.
But still, 25 friggin wins, and all they get is an 8.
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Keep in mind, their seed was affected by the injury to Evans during the A10 tournament. There was a lot of uncertainty about his health.
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Maui opponent Georgia checks in at #60.
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09-16-2019, 09:29 AM
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https://www.collegesportsmadness.com/article/17798
Dayton Flyers #51, #3 in A10, NIT projection
Also, #62 Colorado, #60 Georgia
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09-16-2019, 10:44 AM
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They only missed by 50 spots.
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09-16-2019, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by jack72
By logic we will be the next A10 team. Probably 45 to 55 and projected NIT.
Not my forecast. We will be first or second in the A10, top 30 and an NCAA bid.
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Saw that coming, but my second sentence will also be true!
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09-16-2019, 01:39 PM
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Kind of a nitpic, but trying to understand why they don't list Obi as a bold type "returning player"? They say as much in their narrative.
Obi is the main reason we are going to prove their NIT projection incorrect.
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09-16-2019, 01:48 PM
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They aren't the only ones. Saw another tournament bracket, we were not in. Davidson was a 7 seed and VCU a 9 seed.
I don't know how the season will play out. We've got a lot of new pieces, hopefully no injuries, etc, but I have high hopes/expectations for this year. This is as good a team top to bottom as we've had in ages, and we made the NCAA tournament with lesser talented teams.
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09-16-2019, 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TXFlyerFan
They aren't the only ones. Saw another tournament bracket, we were not in. Davidson was a 7 seed and VCU a 9 seed.
I don't know how the season will play out. We've got a lot of new pieces, hopefully no injuries, etc, but I have high hopes/expectations for this year. This is as good a team top to bottom as we've had in ages, and we made the NCAA tournament with lesser talented teams.
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I get that it is the offseason and people need stuff to talk about but that is literally all this is. I'll remind everyone that this same publication was only off by about 80 spots on our Flyers last year. They rarely even get the rosters/year/positions right and we think they are doing some in depth analysis of what this year holds for the SWAC?
Same goes with the preseason tourney field projections. I feel like those are actually worse though as the poster has to create some talking point or controversy for the content to be interesting. There will be a team in the top 10 preseason who won't be in the top 25 at the end of the year. There will be a team that is unranked preseason in the top 10 at the end of the year. Its just the way it is.
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09-16-2019, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
I get that it is the offseason and people need stuff to talk about but that is literally all this is. I'll remind everyone that this same publication was only off by about 80 spots on our Flyers last year. They rarely even get the rosters/year/positions right and we think they are doing some in depth analysis of what this year holds for the SWAC?
Same goes with the preseason tourney field projections. I feel like those are actually worse though as the poster has to create some talking point or controversy for the content to be interesting. There will be a team in the top 10 preseason who won't be in the top 25 at the end of the year. There will be a team that is unranked preseason in the top 10 at the end of the year. Its just the way it is.
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So this is all just smoke and mirrors? OMG, I'm gonna wash the car again.
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09-16-2019, 06:43 PM
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We are flat out going to destroy a lot of teams this year.
This is just fuel for the fire
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09-16-2019, 07:15 PM
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Their ranking is #51. That doesn't make it into the Big Dance?
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09-16-2019, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by LI2UD2PA
Their ranking is #51. That doesn't make it into the Big Dance?
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Not when the RPI, NET, Eye Test, blah, blah, blah cutoff is usually somewhere around 45. That’s OK. Just keeps the chips on the shoulders.
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