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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
By mis-reporting statistics and firing people who opposed that stance?
In case you missed it the first time:

"Rebekah Jones, a former state health official in Florida, became a media darling during the coronavirus pandemic over her explosive claim that she was pressured by the DeSantis administration to alter the state's data in order to push for reopenings. However, a ****ing new report suggests that she completely made up her allegations"
Read in Fox News: https://apple.news/ApWAwIZ23RMy6YS3LA8duDQ
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In case you missed it the first time:

"Rebekah Jones, a former state health official in Florida, became a media darling during the coronavirus pandemic over her explosive claim that she was pressured by the DeSantis administration to alter the state's data in order to push for reopenings. However, a ****ing new report suggests that she completely made up her allegations"
Read in Fox News: https://apple.news/ApWAwIZ23RMy6YS3LA8duDQ
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Because a report suggests? OK ... cased closed and OJ was innocent because he said so.
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Because a report suggests? OK ... cased closed and OJ was innocent because he said so.
No, she is innocent because you and CNN say so with no proof.

"Cooke outlined Jones' history of shady behavior and poked holes in her story, including the major revelation that she "did not have the ability to edit the raw data" in Florida's COVID database."
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There are plenty of other instances of Florida being fast and loose with COVID data then anything to do with what is in the media about Rebekah Jones.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...ovid-19-deaths
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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
There are plenty of other instances of Florida being fast and loose with COVID data then anything to do with what is in the media about Rebekah Jones.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2021...ovid-19-deaths
Covid data should be accurate and timely...you know, like the way Cuomo handles it!
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Covid data should be accurate and timely...you know, like the way Cuomo handles it!
I keep thinking of the day my liberal leaning neighbor told me what a great manager of Covid he thought Cuomo was. The guy was glued to the Cuomo press conferences. People are so easily fooled by the propaganda machine.

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Originally Posted by DGO67 View Post
Covid data should be accurate and timely...you know, like the way Cuomo handles it!
So ironically enough ... Rebekah Jones was just granted whistleblower status. Interesting development:

https://www.wesh.com/article/rebekah...tatus/36592414

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I keep thinking of the day my liberal leaning neighbor told me what a great manager of Covid he thought Cuomo was. The guy was glued to the Cuomo press conferences. People are so easily fooled by the propaganda machine.
And speaking of Cuomo and propaganda ... Florida now tops the national average in Nursing Home Covid cases yet the Right Wing propaganda machine will still tout DeSantis as the best thing since sliced bread: https://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...ws/5184670001/
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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
So ironically enough ... Rebekah Jones was just granted whistleblower status. Interesting development:

https://www.wesh.com/article/rebekah...tatus/36592414



And speaking of Cuomo and propaganda ... Florida now tops the national average in Nursing Home Covid cases yet the Right Wing propaganda machine will still tout DeSantis as the best thing since sliced bread: https://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...ws/5184670001/
So what, you tout it like it gives her some credibility. Did you read your article? "Whistleblowers are allowed to have data and hold on to data, but they can't hack in and gather data that way and commit a crime in the process. That doesn't mean to say she can't be considered a whistleblower, but it does impact the credibility of what is going on."

As to the nursing homes, you are mixing topics. Cuomo, we all know, killed a few thousand residents by sending them back to nursing homes. He did not cause the other deaths in nursing homes. You or I have no idea how the FL nursing home residents died. It was for a bunch of varied conditions and staff and bad luck, but DeSantis had zero to do with it.
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So what, you tout it like it gives her some credibility. Did you read your article? "Whistleblowers are allowed to have data and hold on to data, but they can't hack in and gather data that way and commit a crime in the process. That doesn't mean to say she can't be considered a whistleblower, but it does impact the credibility of what is going on."
Yes, it does give her credibility because it means there is truth to her claims.

As to the nursing homes, you are mixing topics. Cuomo, we all know, killed a few thousand residents by sending them back to nursing homes. He did not cause the other deaths in nursing homes. You or I have no idea how the FL nursing home residents died. It was for a bunch of varied conditions and staff and bad luck, but DeSantis had zero to do with it.
Not mixing topics at all, in fact, it's probably worse the way FL did it. The article is about COVID cases, so yeah, it's COVID unless you are saying Florida is now fudging numbers to make it look worse because that makes sense.

Yeah, Cuomo screwed up before we knew a lot about COVID, DeSantis screwed up after we knew a lot more about COVID.
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So what, you tout it like it gives her some credibility. Did you read your article? "Whistleblowers are allowed to have data and hold on to data, but they can't hack in and gather data that way and commit a crime in the process. That doesn't mean to say she can't be considered a whistleblower, but it does impact the credibility of what is going on."

As to the nursing homes, you are mixing topics. Cuomo, we all know, killed a few thousand residents by sending them back to nursing homes. He did not cause the other deaths in nursing homes. You or I have no idea how the FL nursing home residents died. It was for a bunch of varied conditions and staff and bad luck, but DeSantis had zero to do with it.
She’s essentially a criminal who has some whistleblower status. I guess being a criminal is a badge of honor in some circles.
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She’s essentially a criminal who has some whistleblower status. I guess being a criminal is a badge of honor in some circles.
That's the way fascists do it, they make it a crime to oppose them then suddenly everyone is a criminal.
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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
Yes, it does give her credibility because it means there is truth to her claims.



Not mixing topics at all, in fact, it's probably worse the way FL did it. The article is about COVID cases, so yeah, it's COVID unless you are saying Florida is now fudging numbers to make it look worse because that makes sense.

Yeah, Cuomo screwed up before we knew a lot about COVID, DeSantis screwed up after we knew a lot more about COVID.
Please spell out how legally whistle blower status gives credibility, when the attorney in your article says the opposite.?

Please spell out how DeSantis was responsible for the nursing home deaths?
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Please spell out how legally whistle blower status gives credibility, when the attorney in your article says the opposite.?
Protected disclosures under the Whistleblower act in FL (meaning she disclosed something that meet these criteria):

There are two types of disclosures protected under the FPWA:

A violation or suspected violation of law committed by another employee, agent of an agency, or independent contractor, which creates and presents a substantial and specific danger to the public’s health, safety, or welfare.
Stat. § 112.3187(5)(a).

An act or suspected act of gross mismanagement, malfeasance, misfeasance, gross waste of public funds, suspected or actual Medicaid fraud or abuse, or gross neglect of duty committed by an employee, agent of an agency, or independent contractor.
Stat. § 112.3187(5)(b).
https://www.marrerolegal.com/practic...s-act-outline/

Please spell out how DeSantis was responsible for the nursing home deaths?
Don't change what I said, I said that Florida is higher than the national average in cases. DeSantis has, by executive order, removed any Covid related fines and penalties, banned vaccine passports, removed local governments ability to make their own Covid rules and protocols, one month ago he suspended all remaining Covid restrictions in FL ... that doesn't even account for the fudging of the numbers that got us here.
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Originally Posted by Phinhead54 View Post
So ironically enough ... Rebekah Jones was just granted whistleblower status. Interesting development:

https://www.wesh.com/article/rebekah...tatus/36592414



And speaking of Cuomo and propaganda ... Florida now tops the national average in Nursing Home Covid cases yet the Right Wing propaganda machine will still tout DeSantis as the best thing since sliced bread: https://www.naplesnews.com/story/new...ws/5184670001/
DeSantis has moved on from COVID. His focus now is on bathroom laws and transgender people in sport. You know, the important stuff.
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DeSantis has moved on from COVID. His focus now is on bathroom laws and transgender people in sport. You know, the important stuff.
If you were a female athlete competing for scholarships and such, you might also be concerned with transgender athletes in womens sports.

Try to be sensitive to the needs and fair treatment others who are not like you.
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If you were a female athlete competing for scholarships and such, you might also be concerned with transgender athletes in womens sports.

Try to be sensitive to the needs and fair treatment others who are not like you.

If only you would heed your own advice!
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If only you would heed your own advice!
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Lafayette Square Media narrative was just more fake news:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/collap...-checked-story

Is there a single thing that you can trust from the MSM anymore? They are more worthless than tabloids.
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Lafayette Square Media narrative was just more fake news:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/collap...-checked-story

Is there a single thing that you can trust from the MSM anymore? They are more worthless than tabloids.
Credibility Dumpster Fire.

Collapsed Lafayette Square narrative is yet another 'fact-checked' story gone bad. Fact-checkers having to walk back 'supposedly all-knowing rulings' damaging media's credibility, experts tell Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/media/collap...-checked-story

House Republicans who voted to oust Taylor Greene demand Pelosi do same for Ilhan Omar. Eight GOP members send a letter to the House Speaker insisting on action.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hou...for-ilhan-omar

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CNN declares Biden the winner of the Putin/Biden handshake because Putin turned to look at a camera.

Congratulations Biden!

Oh, desperate CNN. Mine deep to find something that you can cheerlead. If you look hard enough you can find a victory. If Biden was rolled up there in a wheelchair, drooling and staring at his lap, you could find a victory.

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CNN declares Biden the winner of the Putin/Biden handshake because Putin turned to look at a camera.

Congratulations Biden!

Oh, desperate CNN. Mine deep to find something that you can cheerlead. If you look hard enough you can find a victory. If Biden was rolled up there in a wheelchair, drooling and staring at his lap, you could find a victory.

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Even the Australian News is mocking our media and their blind cheerleading of Joe Biden.

"It's not really journalism, is it?"

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The rest of the world is recognizing the obvious decline of Biden.

"I said before the election, that the Biden Campaign had all the hallmarks of a "Weekend at Bernies" effort."

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This is the foreign press.

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Sky News is a blog and Kenny is a guy who makes it his business to call out ‘fake news.’ He would fit in just fine on Newsmax or AON.

It’s a big stretch to call this “Australian News”
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Sky News is a blog and Kenny is a guy who makes it his business to call out ‘fake news.’ He would fit in just fine on Newsmax or AON.

It’s a big stretch to call this “Australian News”
I guess you could say that is just more fake news.

Skynews Australia is an Australian 24 hour cable and satellite channel available on the Foxtel and Optus Television subscription platforms and on free-to-air television in regional and non-metropolitan areas throughout Australia.

Really, anyone can make a business out of calling out the fake news. It's almost what the real news has to do these days and there is no lack of material. There is a daily flood of fake news coverage. The fake news has become "the story". It's irresponsible not to call it out to the public.

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Behar will get a pass. Megan McCain would not be afforded the same consideration.
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The Propaganda Playbook: A Section-by-Section Dissection of Tucker Carlson’s Communication Strategy

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https://www.justsecurity.org/77078/t...tion-strategy/
I keep hearing you on here totally dismiss sources of information as being biased, but people have their own minds and are free to determine whether they think something is on the up and up or not. Just because something comes from a known liberally-biased source, for example, does not mean that I totally dismiss it out-of-hand. I take it with a grain of salt and work to determine if it is really true or not. I think you should do the same.

I agree that the Fox legal defense for Tucker regarding no reasonable person believing him is weak, but imo a lot of what he says is truthful and spot on. And imo, some/a lot of what is said on CNN and MSNBC could also fall under the no reasonable person believing it category too, they are just as guilty if Tucker is guilty.
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I keep hearing you on here totally dismiss sources of information as being biased, but people have their own minds and are free to determine whether they think something is on the up and up or not. Just because something comes from a known liberally-biased source, for example, does not mean that I totally dismiss it out-of-hand. I take it with a grain of salt and work to determine if it is really true or not. I think you should do the same.

I agree that the Fox legal defense for Tucker regarding no reasonable person believing him is weak, but imo a lot of what he says is truthful and spot on. And imo, some/a lot of what is said on CNN and MSNBC could also fall under the no reasonable person believing it category too, they are just as guilty if Tucker is guilty.
Did you read the article?
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Did you read the article?
No I did not read the article, but I have watched enough of Tucker to know what he is like.

But I am not talking about just that article, you seemingly dismiss just about everything you disagree with if it comes from a source that you do not like.
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I remember some of the posters on this board saying that the Lab Leak Theory could not be true if it came from Tucker.

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I remember some of the posters on this board saying that the Lab Leak Theory could not be true if it came from Tucker.

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I remember some of the posters on this board saying that the Lab Leak Theory could not be true if it came from Tucker.

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I remember some of the posters on this board saying that the Lab Leak Theory could not be true if it came from Tucker.

Live and learn.

I for one don't believe anything Carson says. That doesn't mean he never tells the truth. t just means that he tells lies and half-truths enough times that I have no confidence that at any given time he is actually telling the truth. Nothing a propagandist like Carson says can be accepted at face value.


Same goes for TV personalities on the left. The truth these days is hard to find, but it's out there for those who know how to look for it.
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I for one don't believe anything Carson says. That doesn't mean he never tells the truth. t just means that he tells lies and half-truths enough times that I have no confidence that at any given time he is actually telling the truth. Nothing a propagandist like Carson says can be accepted at face value.


Same goes for TV personalities on the left. The truth these days is hard to find, but it's out there for those who know how to look for it.
Yes, I agree, Tucker has destroyed some/a lot of his credibility, half the country does not believe a word he says, you can't tell when he is telling the truth, and when he is not telling the truth. CNN and MSNBC are the same way. It's sad, it's also poisonous and destructive to democracy.

Part of it imo is that it is all about TV ratings and the show making $. Cable news is partly entertainment unfortunately. Lieing to your audience generates viewership and $. Being straight with the truth is boring and does not excite the partisans, and partisans are probably a big part of the viewing audience. Nobody likes a moderate.

CNN's and MSNBC's ratings are way down now that Trump is gone. Trump excited the right and motivated the left to hate him.
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No I did not read the article, but I have watched enough of Tucker to know what he is like.

But I am not talking about just that article, you seemingly dismiss just about everything you disagree with if it comes from a source that you do not like.
Right, I'm the one who takes the time to prove the links when others like jack and Mich just summary dismiss anything that's not extreme right.

Spare me.

Read the article. It's about how the way Tucker delivers his message aligns very closely with wartime propaganda campaigns.
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Right, I'm the one who takes the time to prove the links when others like jack and Mich just summary dismiss anything that's not extreme right.

Spare me.

Read the article. It's about how the way Tucker delivers his message aligns very closely with wartime propaganda campaigns.
OK, but who cares? CNN and MSNBC do largely the same thing, they are possibly much worse, so what difference does it make? Bias is everywhere, singling Tucker out, why?
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OK, but who cares? CNN and MSNBC do largely the same thing, they are possibly much worse, so what difference does it make? Bias is everywhere, singling Tucker out, why?
You're missing the point entirely. It has nothing to do with bias, the bias is irrelevant, it has to do with delivery.

You should care, it's entirely unethical to deploy the techniques that Tucker does in the way he does it.

No, CNN and MSNBC do not do what Tucker does.

Read the article.
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You're missing the point entirely. It has nothing to do with bias, the bias is irrelevant, it has to do with delivery.

You should care, it's entirely unethical to deploy the techniques that Tucker does in the way he does it.

No, CNN and MSNBC do not do what Tucker does.

Read the article.
Court says almost the exact same thing about Rachel Maddow on MSNBC as Tucker Carlson, they both lie.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-c...addows-viewers:

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts
"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on her program that a court ruled is understood even by her own viewers to offer exaggeration and opinion, not facts

MSNBC's top-rated host Rachel Maddow devoted a segment in 2019 to accusing the right-wing cable outlet One America News (OAN) of being a paid propaganda outlet for the Kremlin. Discussing a Daily Beast article which noted that one OAN reporter was a "Russian national” who was simultaneously writing copy for the Russian-owned outlet Sputnik on a freelance contract, Maddow escalated the allegation greatly into a broad claim about OAN's real identity and purpose: “in this case,” she announced, “the most obsequiously pro-Trump right wing news outlet in America really literally is paid Russian propaganda."

In response, OAN sued Maddow, MSNBC, and its parent corporation Comcast, Inc. for defamation, alleging that it was demonstrably false that the network, in Maddow's words, “literally is paid Russian propaganda." In an oddly overlooked ruling, an Obama-appointed federal judge, Cynthia Bashant, dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that even Maddow's own audience understands that her show consists of exaggeration, hyperbole, and pure opinion, and therefore would not assume that such outlandish accusations are factually true even when she uses the language of certainty and truth when presenting them (“literally is paid Russian propaganda").

In concluding that Maddow's statement would be understood even by her own viewers as non-factual, the judge emphasized that what Maddow does in general is not present news but rather hyperbole and exploitation of actual news to serve her liberal activism...

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Court says almost the exact same thing about Rachel Maddow on MSNBC as Tucker Carlson, they both lie.

https://greenwald.substack.com/p/a-c...addows-viewers:

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts

"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

A Court Ruled Rachel Maddow's Viewers Know She Offers Exaggeration and Opinion, Not Facts
"Maddow’s show is different than a typical news segment where anchors inform viewers about the daily news," an Obama-appointed judge ruled.

MSNBC's Rachel Maddow on her program that a court ruled is understood even by her own viewers to offer exaggeration and opinion, not facts

MSNBC's top-rated host Rachel Maddow devoted a segment in 2019 to accusing the right-wing cable outlet One America News (OAN) of being a paid propaganda outlet for the Kremlin. Discussing a Daily Beast article which noted that one OAN reporter was a "Russian national” who was simultaneously writing copy for the Russian-owned outlet Sputnik on a freelance contract, Maddow escalated the allegation greatly into a broad claim about OAN's real identity and purpose: “in this case,” she announced, “the most obsequiously pro-Trump right wing news outlet in America really literally is paid Russian propaganda."

In response, OAN sued Maddow, MSNBC, and its parent corporation Comcast, Inc. for defamation, alleging that it was demonstrably false that the network, in Maddow's words, “literally is paid Russian propaganda." In an oddly overlooked ruling, an Obama-appointed federal judge, Cynthia Bashant, dismissed the lawsuit on the ground that even Maddow's own audience understands that her show consists of exaggeration, hyperbole, and pure opinion, and therefore would not assume that such outlandish accusations are factually true even when she uses the language of certainty and truth when presenting them (“literally is paid Russian propaganda").

In concluding that Maddow's statement would be understood even by her own viewers as non-factual, the judge emphasized that what Maddow does in general is not present news but rather hyperbole and exploitation of actual news to serve her liberal activism...
You've spent a lot of time missing the point here, I'm done. Read the article.
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