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Old 03-21-2021, 06:24 PM
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Seniors staying?

Any word about any of the seniors possibly staying another year?
With the Covid rule I was wondering if anyone was thinking of coming back....Do they get another senior night? We have a Great class coming in playing time might be at a premium. Thoughts?
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:17 PM
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Supposedly Watson is undecided. Have not hear anything on the other three.
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:42 PM
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I love our seniors, but with what we have coming in I would like to see them move on. Our incoming freshmen (and sophomores) need playing time to mature and develop. I would hate to see any of them stuck behind a senior.
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:46 PM
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I could live with Crutcher staying, but that in all likelyhood won't happen. Clearing the deck does open up things for a very talented group coming in
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Old 03-21-2021, 07:53 PM
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While Watson can be frustrating at times, with a couple parts of his game, there is always room for a guy who can stroke it like that.
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the way they played this season,
I appreciate their time here, but
really isn't it time to move on?

am i wrong in thinking they gave up
on the season? non chalant/lack of
effort, however you want to phrase it..
frustrating to listen to the radio feed
and know exactly what Brooks
and Keith W were talking about, and
who they were refering to....

seems to me, any of them would
have to have a heart to heart
with CAG and be explained, time
is being given to the youth as he
sees fit... then, possibly
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With a lot of talented freshmen, a senior willing to stay and help with their learning would be appreciated, but they would have to understand their role and how playing time could be affected for everyone. I don't see any selfishness on the team now, so I'm not really worried too much, so bring on a leader.
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the Dayton men's basketball program would be best served if they all moved on. The team needs a fresh start next year. The greatest year in Flyer history was succeeded by an underperforming year of the continuing Pandemic. Flyer fans have a lot of forgetting to do and hope requires a fresh start.
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I’d welcome any of them back since they don’t count against the scholarship limit. Having that caliber of player should help push the incoming, talented frosh. It doesn’t stunt their development. Play the best guys. But any one of those guys would be an asset to use providing us more depth. If they counted against the scholarship limit my answer would be different. Those guys who aren’t contributing but are taking up scholarships are another story. Frazier and Ssissoko come to mind specifically.
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I’d welcome any of them back since they don’t count against the scholarship limit. Having that caliber of player should help push the incoming, talented frosh. It doesn’t stunt their development. Play the best guys. But any one of those guys would be an asset to use providing us more depth. If they counted against the scholarship limit my answer would be different. Those guys who aren’t contributing but are taking up scholarships are another story. Frazier and Sissoko come to mind specifically.
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Snap. Just like that Frazier is gone DF. Although I think Moulaye's big body will be useful if he stays. We need competition at the center spot, and practicing against SM would be beneficial.
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Snap. Just like that Frazier is gone DF. Although I think Moulaye's big body will be useful if he stays. We need competition at the center spot, and practicing against SM would be beneficial.
We should want Sissoko and every other player to stick around. Dayton, as a program, will be better when players stick around.

To paraphrase Jay Wright, when asked the secret to Villanova's rise, "Get old and stay old."

Landers and Mikesell are a good example of guys sticking it out through tough times and ultimately paying dividends (for all involved).
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Old 03-22-2021, 02:56 PM
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If anyone would come back, I would pick Watson but would prefer to use him as a sixth man just like last year. We just didn't have anyone we could count on to create a spark off the bench.
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Snap. Just like that Frazier is gone DF. Although I think Moulaye's big body will be useful if he stays. We need competition at the center spot, and practicing against SM would be beneficial.
Who's SM?
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We should want Sissoko and every other player to stick around. Dayton, as a program, will be better when players stick around.

To paraphrase Jay Wright, when asked the secret to Villanova's rise, "Get old and stay old."

Landers and Mikesell are a good example of guys sticking it out through tough times and ultimately paying dividends (for all involved).
Now why would we want Mou to stay and deprive us of filling the spot with someone that can help us??

He was wholly ineffective. What other team has a center with far and away the lowest fg% on the team while shooting exclusively from point blank range? Or Ied the team in turnovers per minute played? He’s not a shot blocker. He has a grand total of 7 career baskets SEVEN!! He has shown zero ability to score. Why would we want to play 4 on 5, when we are not likely to be a high scoring team again next year? He’s a project that does not look likely to work out. Not that many do. We likely made a mistake- let’s not compound it. He should find a school where he has higher odds of success and let us get a player ready to contribute instead.
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I am looking at this a bit differently: who would be helped as an individual if he stayed? I have to think that the only one who fits that bill is Chatman, since he lost out on so many minutes due to injury. I would think that he could really showcase himself next year, as long as Ty Ty doesn't come, which is obviously a huge longshot.
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Guess the question to ask is...

Do guys saying hurt or help the younger players that we are going to depend on? Would you rather have young guys thrown to the wolves or brought up under the current Seniors?

Considering the lack of peer leadership on the floor this season, I personally would rather have young players thrown to the wolves next season in order to develop those leaders on the team that were so important to the 19-20 season.
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Who's SM?
That's Moulaye Sissoko with dyslexia.
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Now why would we want Mou to stay and deprive us of filling the spot with someone that can help us??

He was wholly ineffective. What other team has a center with far and away the lowest fg% on the team while shooting exclusively from point blank range? Or Ied the team in turnovers per minute played? He’s not a shot blocker. He has a grand total of 7 career baskets SEVEN!! He has shown zero ability to score. Why would we want to play 4 on 5, when we are not likely to be a high scoring team again next year? He’s a project that does not look likely to work out. Not that many do. We likely made a mistake- let’s not compound it. He should find a school where he has higher odds of success and let us get a player ready to contribute instead.
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So he's a guy with an upside? He has the size we need and has flashed ability. No way do we throw him overboard.
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Can Trey and/or Mikesell come back?


We need leadership on next year's team. Hopefully Cohill is up to the challenge.
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Can Trey and/or Mikesell come back?


We need leadership on next year's team. Hopefully Cohill is up to the challenge.
In all seriousness, I was hoping at least one of those warriors would have come back this year as a grad assistant, to help with continuity and mentorship. Oh, well, it was what it was.

And yes, I hope enough of the JYD rubbed-off on Dwayne during the 2 seasons that he and Trey were together that we can get back to the dynamic that worked so well for us in 29-2.
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In all seriousness, I was hoping at least one of those warriors would have come back this year as a grad assistant, to help with continuity and mentorship. Oh, well, it was what it was.

And yes, I hope enough of the JYD rubbed-off on Dwayne during the 2 seasons that he and Trey were together that we can get back to the dynamic that worked so well for us in 29-2.
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Those guys want to play basketball, not talk basketball. That would asking a lot for a player to come back as an assistant when they are still capable of playing the game and getting paid for it. I know I wouldn't do it.
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Those guys want to play basketball, not talk basketball. That would asking a lot for a player to come back as an assistant when they are still capable of playing the game and getting paid for it. I know I wouldn't do it.
Yes, but they also want to be leaders, which is what coaching is all about. The question is, which is the stronger desire: to play, or to develop as a coach. Obviously, yes, with their skills, they wanted to keep playing.
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I don’t know why there has been a negative stigma around the seniors staying. Yes, lack of energy and at times effort was a problem but jalen and Ibi were asked to play for 40 minutes every game and definitely got worn out (just look at their shooting numbers, especially jalen’s down the stretch). I honestly think that if they come back we would make the tournament and compete for an A10 title with the freshman class, added depth, and hopeful reduction in injuries. And the worse case about them coming back is one or two of the freshman redshirting and getting a fifth year!
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I don’t know why there has been a negative stigma around the seniors staying. Yes, lack of energy and at times effort was a problem but jalen and Ibi were asked to play for 40 minutes every game and definitely got worn out (just look at their shooting numbers, especially jalen’s down the stretch). I honestly think that if they come back we would make the tournament and compete for an A10 title with the freshman class, added depth, and hopeful reduction in injuries. And the worse case about them coming back is one or two of the freshman redshirting and getting a fifth year!
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Did you watch them this whole season? There was an issue with focus/effort/motivation/consistency starting with game one. They lost to Fordham and LaSalle fairly early in the year. While I agree Jalen faded down the stretch (quite possibly due to the minutes), the problems were evident well before then. I still believe there was a locker room problem. I would prefer to give the minutes to the returning players and incoming freshman (to the extent they show the effort).
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I don’t know why there has been a negative stigma around the seniors staying. Yes, lack of energy and at times effort was a problem but jalen and Ibi were asked to play for 40 minutes every game and definitely got worn out (just look at their shooting numbers, especially jalen’s down the stretch). I honestly think that if they come back we would make the tournament and compete for an A10 title with the freshman class, added depth, and hopeful reduction in injuries. And the worse case about them coming back is one or two of the freshman redshirting and getting a fifth year!
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What 312to937 said. Plus, YOU DO NOT redshirt a high rated recruiting class. They don't need redshirting and you don't redshirt based on your needs, you redshirt based on theirs.
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If the Seniors want to leave, then I am excited to see this young group on the floor. But, I would welcome any of the seniors back. With open arms.

We (myself included) tend to overestimate the contributions of incoming Freshmen. I know these are highly rated recruits, but we've had highly rated recruits before. Here is a list of our top recruits, in order, since 2004 (according to 247). As you read these names, ask yourself which of these guys came in and were ready to lead a team as a Freshman.

https://247sports.com/college/dayton...tball/Commits/

1.) DaRon Holmes
2.) Juwan Staten
3.) Chris Wright
4.) Kostas Antetokounmpo
5.) Jimmy Binnie
6.) Dwayne Cohill
7.) Kaleb Washington
8.) Paul Williams
9.) Malachi Smith
10.) Kyle Davis
11.) Brandon Spearman
12.) Chris Johnson
13.) Darrell Davis
14.) Scoochie Smith
15.) Josh Benson
16.) Zimi Nwokeji
17.) Stephen Thomas
18.) Lynn Greer III
19.) Norman Plummer
20.) Devin Oliver
21.) Ralph Hill
22.) Frankie Policelli
23.) Devin Searcy
24.) Moulaye Sissoko
25.) R.J. Blakney

Some great names in there, but very few were ready to go as a Freshman. I'm excited to see this group on the floor and they are joining an already young/unexperienced team. Someone needs to lead this team on the floor next year, I'd love to see one of our Seniors stay and take on that role.
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I don’t know why there has been a negative stigma around the seniors staying. Yes, lack of energy and at times effort was a problem but jalen and Ibi were asked to play for 40 minutes every game and definitely got worn out (just look at their shooting numbers, especially jalen’s down the stretch). I honestly think that if they come back we would make the tournament and compete for an A10 title with the freshman class, added depth, and hopeful reduction in injuries. And the worse case about them coming back is one or two of the freshman redshirting and getting a fifth year! Posted via Mobile Device

We have the 12th ranked recruiting class in the country and you want to redshirt a couple of them?? They all need to get all the minutes we can give them to mature and gain experience.

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I'll live with the freshman mistakes over returning seniors that would stunt the growth of the newcomers. That said, I would take a transfer where we are thin, like at the 5 spot, so long as he has good hands on offense and knows how to rebound.
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Of course I could be wrong, but I do not believe there were locker room issues. Never once did I hear a hint of one. And I would find it surprising that a team that had an isssue would "vote to a man to participate in the NIT because they wanted to continue playing together". And this from yesterday press conf. Grant "“One thing they did is throughout the year they stayed together,” Grant said. “They enjoyed each other. They believed in each other."

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Is it Just Possible

that next year will be a re-building year for the Dayton Flyers? Advice to the Flyer Nation.
Suspend your expectations for next season and just enjoy what the team chooses to become.
For it is in the process of "becoming" we as fans experience our joy or sorrow. Go Dayton Flyers!
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Do you really think Smith and Greer committed to UD so they could sit behind a fifth year senior? I am sure a selling point of our recruiters was come to UD we are losing three guards. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot.
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that next year will be a re-building year for the Dayton Flyers? Advice to the Flyer Nation.
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For it is in the process of "becoming" we as fans experience our joy or sorrow. Go Dayton Flyers!
I think you are exactly right. Rodney's transfer announcement said it all. His goal is to play in 1 NCAA tournament before he is done. If he thought that was going to happen here - he would have stayed here. He's looking at the team next year (and talking with AG) and he doesn't see it happening.
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Do you really think Smith and Greer committed to UD so they could sit behind a fifth year senior? I am sure a selling point of our recruiters was come to UD we are losing three guards. Talk about starting off on the wrong foot.
I don't think AG promised them playing time their Freshman year.

You guys are all enamored with this recruiting class - and it's exciting. But we have two guards on the team, who are upperclassmen, who were higher rated recruits than the guards we have coming in. So I don't know why there is an assumption that those guys hit the bench and we hand it over to the Freshmen. The smart money says that Weaver and Cohill are the starters unless one of the Freshmen comes in and just explodes.

And this idea that their growth as basketball players is somehow stunted if they don't get 25 minutes a game as a Freshman is simply not true.

There are different ways to successfully develop a Freshman. Game experience is one way. But we have had plenty of players develop without significant minutes their Freshman year. Kyle Davis played 6 minutes per game, Pollard played 8 minutes, Mikesell played 8 minutes, Landers played 6 minutes (in 5 games), Devin Oliver played 9 minutes. Let's not forget Obi was 2 years out of high school before setting foot in a college game.

Development happens in a lot of ways.

I'm ecstatic about the upcoming class. Very exciting stuff. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't benefit from more upperclassmen on the team, it doesn't mean all of the Freshmen are ready to compete on a D1 court next year, and it doesn't mean that they have to play 25+ minutes a game to develop.
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I don't think AG promised them playing time their Freshman year.

You guys are all enamored with this recruiting class - and it's exciting. But we have two guards on the team, who are upperclassmen, who were higher rated recruits than the guards we have coming in. So I don't know why there is an assumption that those guys hit the bench and we hand it over to the Freshmen. The smart money says that Weaver and Cohill are the starters unless one of the Freshmen comes in and just explodes.

And this idea that their growth as basketball players is somehow stunted if they don't get 25 minutes a game as a Freshman is simply not true.

There are different ways to successfully develop a Freshman. Game experience is one way. But we have had plenty of players develop without significant minutes their Freshman year. Kyle Davis played 6 minutes per game, Pollard played 8 minutes, Mikesell played 8 minutes, Landers played 6 minutes (in 5 games), Devin Oliver played 9 minutes. Let's not forget Obi was 2 years out of high school before setting foot in a college game.

Development happens in a lot of ways.

I'm ecstatic about the upcoming class. Very exciting stuff. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't benefit from more upperclassmen on the team, it doesn't mean all of the Freshmen are ready to compete on a D1 court next year, and it doesn't mean that they have to play 25+ minutes a game to develop.
I like Cohill, but I can't see him as a starter, unless he's significantly improved his outside shooting. Weaver is hit or miss shooting, and you can't have two guards playing that aren't threats to score, especially from 3. I would expect Brea to start at off guard, with Cohill coming in for defense etc.
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AM rode one good recruiting class into a job at IU. AG has an even better class coming in and by all indications will continue to raise the bar on recruiting. Hard to see any of the newbies getting redshirted.

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MNFats is on-point.

Don't count on these freshmen to be world-beaters. At the very least, assume there's going to be an acclimation process. Notice how Blakney and Nwokeji came on in the second half. Notice how Obi started to shine in the latter half of his RS freshman season.

An adjustment is normal. It doesn't mean the players stink. It doesn't mean they won't be all-league-caliber at some point. It means making the jump from high school to college is tough. Some players can do so with no problem, but they're rare (and, yes, I'm familiar with Amzil). Even the three examples from above (Blakney, Nwokeji and Obi) were extra well seasoned (prep years and redshirt years).

I know this will fall on deaf ears. New blood is exciting, but try to keep the enthusiasm at a manageable level. The in-coming players will be good, but it'll take a minute.

The key to Dayton becoming a power is keeping classes like this together. Get old and stay old.
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Originally Posted by MNFats View Post
I don't think AG promised them playing time their Freshman year.

You guys are all enamored with this recruiting class - and it's exciting. But we have two guards on the team, who are upperclassmen, who were higher rated recruits than the guards we have coming in. So I don't know why there is an assumption that those guys hit the bench and we hand it over to the Freshmen. The smart money says that Weaver and Cohill are the starters unless one of the Freshmen comes in and just explodes.

And this idea that their growth as basketball players is somehow stunted if they don't get 25 minutes a game as a Freshman is simply not true.

There are different ways to successfully develop a Freshman. Game experience is one way. But we have had plenty of players develop without significant minutes their Freshman year. Kyle Davis played 6 minutes per game, Pollard played 8 minutes, Mikesell played 8 minutes, Landers played 6 minutes (in 5 games), Devin Oliver played 9 minutes. Let's not forget Obi was 2 years out of high school before setting foot in a college game.

Development happens in a lot of ways.

I'm ecstatic about the upcoming class. Very exciting stuff. But that doesn't mean we wouldn't benefit from more upperclassmen on the team, it doesn't mean all of the Freshmen are ready to compete on a D1 court next year, and it doesn't mean that they have to play 25+ minutes a game to develop.
don't think anyone is saying that...

what I am hearing, and agree totally with,
is that they will have every opportunity
to compete for positions, with the best
players out there that can put us in a
position to win...

if not starting, they WILL get minutes,
I am fairly confident saying that....
how much? depends on what they show
CAG....
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The key to Dayton becoming a power is keeping classes like this together. Get old and stay old.
Not sure if this was mentioned on this board, but the above is a direct quote from Jay Wright re: another team's success. I think it was in reference to MichSt.
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AM rode one good recruiting class into a job at IU. AG has an even better class coming in and by all indications will continue to raise the bar on recruiting. Hard to see any of the newbies getting redshirted.
An Elite eight with Oliver, Kavs, Vee, Price and Pierre playing key roles.

first four win with win against Providence in round of 64 with Pierre and Darrell Davis playing key roles.

Another NCAA with Pierre and Big Steve playing big roles.

Another NCAA with the 3 from the recruiting class you're referring to playing big roles along with Cooke and XW.

Yes, Kyle, Scooch and Kendall were a very nice group to get at one time along with Sibert for 2 seasons, but those guys didn't do it alone and certainly only played minor roles in AM's most successful season(except for Sibert).

I think two things have taken place that both AM and AG need to be given slack on. The first is the loss of Big Steve to tragedy and the 2nd is the loss of Obi to the NBA. If AM had stayed, and tragedy hadn't struck a year earlier, we would've had a starting lineup of McKinley Wright, Darrell Davis, XW, Josh Cunningham and Big Steve in the year that AG took over. And with Obi around one more season we probably are in NCAA tournament this year.

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I doubt Grant or any coach promises some recruit that he will start. It goes more like, recruiter, "We graduate all three starting guard next year, and we think given your skill set you can be extremely competitive from day one for playing time." Recruit thinks, heck I can get a bunch of minutes, and I am good enough to start at UD.

To the guys not optimistic about next year's recruits, most of these guys are like Amzil or better. To compare them to this year's frosh, who had no preseason, is not a fair comparison. Four of these guys are rated higher than anyone in at the last two frosh classes. Will they be starters from day one? Who knows, and who cares. Will two or three make a big impact next year? The odds are yes.
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Question: How much should we expect from high-ranked freshmen? Answer: Who knows?
According to the 247 Sports composite recruiting rankings, DaRon Holmes is the #40 recruit in his class.
Two years before Holmes, the #40 kid was Zeke Nnaji, who went to Arizona, averaged 16 & 8 on 57% shooting as a freshman, and was a one-and-done, going #22 overall in the NBA draft.
Last year's #40 kid was Matthew Murrell, who went to Ole Miss, played 17 minutes a game and averaged 4 & 2 on 32% shooting. (He did nothing good in 9 minutes against UD).

Keep in mind that Keith Waleskowski's 11 points and nearly 8 rebounds a game is the best season by any UD true freshman in the past 20 years. (((Actually, I just realized, Waleskowski redshirted before that 11 & 8 year, so I think Amzil (10 & 5) basically matches Chris Wright for best true freshman season in that span)))
Our incoming recruits might surprise people and be fantastic from Day 1. It's more likely that most of them will need some time to grow.
That said, the fact that Grant and crew landed four kids from the top 225 makes it more likely that at least one or two might stand out early. Kinda like an NFL team loading up on draft picks figuring at least a few will pan out.

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An Elite eight with Oliver, Kavs, Vee, Price and Pierre playing key roles.

first four win with win against Providence in round of 64 with Pierre and Darrell Davis playing key roles.

Another NCAA with Pierre and Big Steve playing big roles.

Another NCAA with the 3 from the recruiting class you're referring to playing big roles along with Cooke and XW.

Yes, Kyle, Scooch and Kendall were a very nice group to get at one time along with Sibert for 2 seasons, but those guys didn't do it alone and certainly only played minor roles in AM's most successful season(except for Sibert).
It depends on how you're measuring Archie's "most successful season".

If it's a March run, to the Elite 8, then yeah, that was the most successful. But March is a crap shoot. Coach's lives and paychecks are dependent on Aaron Craft's final shot either going in or bouncing out, in the first round mind you. Or the Cuse guard's three going in at the buzzer vs hitting back iron.

In Archie's final 2 years, the Flyers earned 7 seeds in the dance based on a much more successful "season", as a whole. And the class you're referencing was the backbone and foundation of both those seasons.

It's a slippery slope. Do we roll out the Brinks truck for a guy who "catches lightning in a bottle" for a couple of weeks in March? Or invest in a guy who's built a solid foundation of winning and demonstrated through the grind of a season or two the ability to consistently win?

Example: Is Paul Mills (Oral Roberts) all of a sudden a great coach? They finished 4th in the Summit League THIS YEAR. He went 17-14 last year. 11-20 the year before. 11-21 the year before that. What if Duane Washington's WIDE-OPEN three ties it at the buzzer for tOSU?

Don't get me wrong, runs in March are HUGE for program branding. It's the sexy part of program/coach resume. And you can't consistently fail in March after successful regular seasons. But be careful re: how you're grading if one season is more successful than the other, certainly as it relates to grading a recruiting class or coach's ability.
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What if Duane Washington's WIDE-OPEN three ties it at the buzzer for tOSU?

Or if OSU doesn't turn it over with a four point lead, turn it over again with a four point lead, miss the front end of a one-and-one with a two point lead, and then jack up a step back three at the buzzer in regulation instead of taking the ball to the hoop.

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then jack up a step back three at the buzzer in regulation instead of taking the ball to the hoop.
That was a horrendous possession and shot selection. Not only was it a step back, but it became a fadeaway 19/20 footer.
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It depends on how you're measuring Archie's "most successful season".

If it's a March run, to the Elite 8, then yeah, that was the most successful. But March is a crap shoot. Coach's lives and paychecks are dependent on Aaron Craft's final shot either going in or bouncing out, in the first round mind you. Or the Cuse guard's three going in at the buzzer vs hitting back iron.

In Archie's final 2 years, the Flyers earned 7 seeds in the dance based on a much more successful "season", as a whole. And the class you're referencing was the backbone and foundation of both those seasons.

It's a slippery slope. Do we roll out the Brinks truck for a guy who "catches lightning in a bottle" for a couple of weeks in March? Or invest in a guy who's built a solid foundation of winning and demonstrated through the grind of a season or two the ability to consistently win?

Example: Is Paul Mills (Oral Roberts) all of a sudden a great coach? They finished 4th in the Summit League THIS YEAR. He went 17-14 last year. 11-20 the year before. 11-21 the year before that. What if Duane Washington's WIDE-OPEN three ties it at the buzzer for tOSU?

Don't get me wrong, runs in March are HUGE for program branding. It's the sexy part of program/coach resume. And you can't consistently fail in March after successful regular seasons. But be careful re: how you're grading if one season is more successful than the other, certainly as it relates to grading a recruiting class or coach's ability.
We can argue all day over what constitutes the better season. Wasn't really the main point. The main point is he got to 4 straight NCAA tournaments with more than Scooch, Kyle and Kendall. And yes, anything can happen in March, but only if you get there in March. AM did it in his final 4 seasons. And let's not forget that our only season where we would've qualified for the NCAA since then two AM recruits played pivotal roles.

MAIN point being, AM recruited more that Scooch, Kyle and Kendall.
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MAIN point being, AM recruited more that Scooch, Kyle and Kendall.
This I can agree with. My point was more that THEY were the foundational class that success centered around, notwithstanding the E8 run.
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This I can agree with. My point was more that THEY were the foundational class that success centered around, notwithstanding the E8 run.
Fair enough. But that doesn't mean his success would've stopped dead after they graduated had he stayed at UD. Doesn't mean it wouldn't either. We'll never know. But those 3 players weren't individually superstars, they were great team players that developed a great chemistry, mostly spurred on by what took place in their sophomore years when they became 3 of only 6 scholarship players available. And really, as I pointed out, I could see a starting lineup of Wright, D. Davis, XW, Josh Cunnigham and Big Steve extending that streak. Losing Big Steve was a huge loss that AM had no control over. Of course, the one thing I'm not sure of is would AM have benched Crosby for Wright if he'd stayed as AG did for Crutcher. That would've been more of a betrayal to Crosby and I'm not sure how AM would've handled it.
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Fair enough. But that doesn't mean his success would've stopped dead after they graduated had he stayed at UD. Doesn't mean it wouldn't either. We'll never know. But those 3 players weren't individually superstars, they were great team players that developed a great chemistry, mostly spurred on by what took place in their sophomore years when they became 3 of only 6 scholarship players available. And really, as I pointed out, I could see a starting lineup of Wright, D. Davis, XW, Josh Cunnigham and Big Steve extending that streak. Losing Big Steve was a huge loss that AM had no control over. Of course, the one thing I'm not sure of is would AM have benched Crosby for Wright if he'd stayed as AG did for Crutcher. That would've been more of a betrayal to Crosby and I'm not sure how AM would've handled it.
I think the benching of Crosby for Wright or Crutcher was inevitable. Archie or CAG. Crosby was really bad.
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that next year will be a re-building year for the Dayton Flyers? Advice to the Flyer Nation.
Suspend your expectations for next season and just enjoy what the team chooses to become.
For it is in the process of "becoming" we as fans experience our joy or sorrow. Go Dayton Flyers!
If this years freshman improve as they should, we should be better than "rebuilding".
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I think the benching of Crosby for Wright or Crutcher was inevitable. Archie or CAG. Crosby was really bad.
Other than Vee becoming a 6th man in his senior season, AM dodged that bullet twice. And I doubt the other two situations would've gone over as well as with Vee. The first was when Price transferred out before Scooch could steal his spot and the 2nd was AM leaving before he had to let Crosby know he's not going to ever be a starter for the Flyers. Maybe he let Price know or Price saw the writing on the wall and that's why he transferred, not sure.

But boy, AG has a heck of a hornets nest on his hands next season when it comes to distributing starting spots and bench minutes. Will be interesting how well it works out.

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Has anyone else heard the rumors that Jalen will be going to Memphis and playing 1 year for Penny?
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Has anyone else heard the rumors that Jalen will be going to Memphis and playing 1 year for Penny?
It can’t be true. It’s been proven over and over on this board that no way any of these SRs are bypassing the money to play in college another year - most certainly not Jalen.
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Has anyone else heard the rumors that Jalen will be going to Memphis and playing 1 year for Penny?
I don’t know if it’s true or not, but I don’t find the idea of it all that far-fetched. Jalen and Penny have known each other for a long time. He’s a friend of the family, and Memphis could have used a solid PG this year. I know nothing about the incoming recruits there, but I wouldn’t be shocked if there is something to the rumor.
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Yeah, I've been probably the most vocal with that scenario. But heck, this would quite a unique situation that I never thought of. Getting to play in his hometown, the one he originally wanted to play for but they didn't want him. Now a different coach is running the program and he's a guy that Jalen's been close to since he was a kid.

Not sure of what the Tigers have next season but know that they were weak at PG this past one. Jalen had NBA hopes going into this season that seem to have diminished. And he's never played in an NCAA tournament. Okay, yes, I could see it. The lure of being home for one last college basketball season and playing for someone you know very well, a chance to play against teams and players that are different. I could see it.

As I've mentioned previously, if Jalen eventually finds himself in the NBA, I'd hate to have him known as "Jalen Crutcher from the Memphis Tigers".

But if he does go there, I would love it if somehow, someway, they have the Billikens on their OOC schedule.
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If the Seniors want to leave, then I am excited to see this young group on the floor. But, I would welcome any of the seniors back. With open arms.

We (myself included) tend to overestimate the contributions of incoming Freshmen. I know these are highly rated recruits, but we've had highly rated recruits before. Here is a list of our top recruits, in order, since 2004 (according to 247). As you read these names, ask yourself which of these guys came in and were ready to lead a team as a Freshman.

https://247sports.com/college/dayton...tball/Commits/

1.) DaRon Holmes
2.) Juwan Staten
3.) Chris Wright
4.) Kostas Antetokounmpo
5.) Jimmy Binnie
6.) Dwayne Cohill
7.) Kaleb Washington
8.) Paul Williams
9.) Malachi Smith
10.) Kyle Davis
11.) Brandon Spearman
12.) Chris Johnson
13.) Darrell Davis
14.) Scoochie Smith
15.) Josh Benson
16.) Zimi Nwokeji
17.) Stephen Thomas
18.) Lynn Greer III
19.) Norman Plummer
20.) Devin Oliver
21.) Ralph Hill
22.) Frankie Policelli
23.) Devin Searcy
24.) Moulaye Sissoko
25.) R.J. Blakney

Some great names in there, but very few were ready to go as a Freshman. I'm excited to see this group on the floor and they are joining an already young/unexperienced team. Someone needs to lead this team on the floor next year, I'd love to see one of our Seniors stay and take on that role.
Your point is well taken but I love that 8 of the guys on that list will be on the roster next year. I like the odds.
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Your point is well taken but I love that 8 of the guys on that list will be on the roster next year. I like the odds.
that IS a good thing...)
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The first is the loss of Big Steve to tragedy and the 2nd is the loss of Obi to the NBA. If AM had stayed, and tragedy hadn't struck a year earlier, we would've had a starting lineup of McKinley Wright, Darrell Davis, XW, Josh Cunningham and Big Steve in the year that AG took over.
If Big Steve doesn't tragically pass, the entire course of Flyer history changes. A legit back to the basket NBA center would've completely transformed AM's last Flyer roster and there's no telling how long he stays if what he was building didn't take such an unexpected and tragic blow. I personally believe he never goes to Indiana. He may not still be at UD by the time I'm typing this in 2021, but in the meantime Obi and last year never happens. Crazy to think about.
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Has anyone else heard the rumors that Jalen will be going to Memphis and playing 1 year for Penny?
As a Flyer fan, that would break my heart. At the end of the day, if that makes him happy, then I'm happy for him, but I can't imagine seeing him play in another jersey.
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Has anyone else heard the rumors that Jalen will be going to Memphis and playing 1 year for Penny?
Some on the board will castigate him as a traitor. I, for one, will be grateful for the four years he gave me as a fan and cheer for him next year.

Something a lot of fans forget is that these guys are human beings with their own dreams and paths for life. If he thinks he has a better shot making a deep run in the NCAA tournament with Memphis and that is a dream of his, who am I to say that bad?

It checks off a lot of boxes:
—Rising team (their recruiting class is ranked even higher than ours)
—Hometown
—Play for childhood mentor
—Play in new venues
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Possibly Jalen knows that whatever NBA stock he may have had (probably not as a draft but perhaps a non-drafted free agent signee) disappeared over the last half of the season because of his less than stellar performances, so he sees an opportunity to try to raise his stock again with a team that is basically returning everybody and has a real shot at making some serious noise next year.
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Question: Does a player have to enter the portal to transfer, or if they know where they want/are going to play, can they just transfer?
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The other thing to keep in mind for these Seniors - is that their professional careers are likely overseas. They may decide they want to hold off a year until the pandemic is completely over before moving to Lithuania. So why not spend that year playing some more college bball?
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But if he does go there, I would love it if somehow, someway, they have the Billikens on their OOC schedule.
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The other thing to keep in mind for these Seniors - is that their professional careers are likely overseas. They may decide they want to hold off a year until the pandemic is completely over before moving to Lithuania. So why not spend that year playing some more college bball?
Yes, but we all forgot that they could just as easily do this on other teams.
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The other thing to keep in mind for these Seniors - is that their professional careers are likely overseas. They may decide they want to hold off a year until the pandemic is completely over before moving to Lithuania. So why not spend that year playing some more college bball?
There's definitely appeal in the opportunity in getting to hopefully play in front of a packed UD arena crowd again. I can see that. Some in their situation might welcome the opportunity to continue their education earning graduate credits. That depends on their longer term, post-basketball career ambitions.

Hypothetically, if the choice came down to making $35K playing in the G League in Sioux Falls or somewhere, or prolonging your time at UD, I think a lot of guys would choose another season at Dayton. But heading over to Lithuania or wherever for a year and getting paid to play basketball, while they take care of your housing and provide you everything you need is a pretty sweet deal!

To your point about how the pandemic factors into things... I don't think it's much of a roadblock at this point. With vaccinations widely available here now, guys can get their shot before heading abroad.
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But if he does go there, I would love it if somehow, someway, they have the Billikens on their OOC schedule.
Absolutely zero chance SLU would schedule Memphis if Jalen transferred there.
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Absolutely zero chance SLU would schedule Memphis if Jalen transferred there.
IIRC, SLU was supposed to play Memphis THIS YEAR in the non-con. I can't recall if it was a neutral site game, first leg of a H&H or in a exempt tournament, but the SLU vs Memphis potential is not far fetched. It might already even be in place for next year, regardless of the Crutcher rumor.

If such a scenario transpired, count me in for a front row seat while wearing my Toppin/Crutcher 2020 shirt.
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Some on the board will castigate him as a traitor. I, for one, will be grateful for the four years he gave me as a fan and cheer for him next year.

Something a lot of fans forget is that these guys are human beings with their own dreams and paths for life. If he thinks he has a better shot making a deep run in the NCAA tournament with Memphis and that is a dream of his, who am I to say that bad?

It checks off a lot of boxes:
—Rising team (their recruiting class is ranked even higher than ours)
—Hometown
—Play for childhood mentor
—Play in new venues
Heck, don't try to talk him in to it.

Staying here check off boxes too:
- He would be a legend if he came back. All-time fan favorite for loyalty.
- Would break all kinds of all-time Dayton records
- Get to end career in front of a packed UD Arena, instead of an empty one

Plus we have most of those previous boxes too:
- Rising team
- "New adopted" hometown
- Play another year for Grant
- Play at UD arena

I won't be mad at him or consider him a traitor if he plays for a different college, but it would be heartbreaking.
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It would be a crushing blow. It is funny that the two I thought most likely to stay have either transferred or decided to move on while we haven't heard from the two I thought most likely to leave.
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It would be a crushing blow. It is funny that the two I thought most likely to stay have either transferred or decided to move on while we haven't heard from the two I thought most likely to leave.
Jordy posted a very nice thank you to the fans, staff, and teammates announcing that he was moving on with life. There has been recent chatter about Ibi returning.
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Jordy posted a very nice thank you to the fans, staff, and teammates announcing that he was moving on with life. There has been recent chatter about Ibi returning.
If you're talking about the Instagram post on the thread about him not returning, I didn't see where he thanked staff. Fans, classmates and teammates yes. Might not mean anything but also might mean the decision not to return wasn't his.
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Just to put any false rumors to bed Ibi is not staying another year in college. I go to college at UD and ran into him the other day and as we were talking I asked him if there is any way he has one year left in the tank and he said that he had already signed with an agent. Even though the past year did not go how we wanted this was a great senior class that represented UD with class!
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I am looking forward to seeing how the new regime of guards pans out as I know the competition will be fierce in practice. Weaver is the only one with much experience! If Mali comes close to what his brother Scoochie was for the Flyers and Lynn Greer does the same to our opponents that his dad did to us when he was at Temple we will be in good hands for the next 4 years. I didn't forget about Koby Brea or R.J. Blakney as they will be challenging to start as well!
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I am looking forward to seeing how the new regime of guards pans out as I know the competition will be fierce in practice. Weaver is the only one with much experience! If Mali comes close to what his brother Scoochie was for the Flyers and Lynn Greer does the same to our opponents that his dad did to us when he was at Temple we will be in good hands for the next 4 years. I didn't forget about Koby Brea or R.J. Blakney as they will be challenging to start as well!
Talking about players being great, and playing 4 years for one college team is becoming obsolete. The better they play, the sooner they will leave, either for the pros or for a step up in conference and exposure. Welcome to the new world of college basketball.
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The fact that none of the three senior guards are coming back makes the Cohill decision even more puzzling. Especially given his choice of a landing spot. I'll be scratching my head over that one for a long time.
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The fact that none of the three senior guards are coming back makes the Cohill decision even more puzzling. Especially given his choice of a landing spot. I'll be scratching my head over that one for a long time.
It could be that he perceives his playing time would be limited given the quality and quantity of guards entering the program. Weaver's performance against Memphis has made him the likely point guard. The barn is full and Cohill recognizes that.
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It could be that he perceives his playing time would be limited given the quality and quantity of guards entering the program. Weaver's performance against Memphis has made him the likely point guard. The barn is full and Cohill recognizes that.
The barn is full of front court guys. There were absolutely minutes for the taking available for Cohill. A couple of freshman, Brea, and an inconsistent Weaver would not have relegated Cohill to the bench IMO. I don't think 15-20 minutes of playing time would be out of the question for Cohill to earn. But Cohill wasn't going to be "the guy" at Dayton like he was in high school. He recognized that. So I think it's more likely he longed for that kind of role, and thus opted to go somewhere he could get it.
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The barn is full of front court guys. There were absolutely minutes for the taking available for Cohill. A couple of freshman, Brea, and an inconsistent Weaver would not have relegated Cohill to the bench IMO. I don't think 15-20 minutes of playing time would be out of the question for Cohill to earn. But Cohill wasn't going to be "the guy" at Dayton like he was in high school. He recognized that. So I think it's more likely he longed for that kind of role, and thus opted to go somewhere he could get it.
Couldn't have said it better myself. No doubt in my mind he would've started and gotten plenty of minutes (presuming he's back to his former self post-injury).

His departure is going to lead to some interesting starting lineup debates. I think Amzil is capable of playing the "3" assuming Holmes starts, but I have no idea who takes the other guard spot with Cohill gone. Based on the end of last season I'd probably guess Brea. Talk about height! That would mean no starter under 6'6" I believe.
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Every time I see the title to this thread I think it is a debate about the blue hairs wearing red sweater vests staying in their seats and not leaving until the game is over

Hopefully we can be having that debate again in 7 months.

Best wishes to all of our departing senior basketball players as they enter the next phase of their careers and lives!

JC- we will really miss you and loved watching you play, especially against St. Louis! Thank you for 4 great years and your Flyer loyalty.
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The fact that none of the three senior guards are coming back makes the Cohill decision even more puzzling. Especially given his choice of a landing spot. I'll be scratching my head over that one for a long time.
I’m not puzzled. He was at best not even an average guard at the A10 level. That’s why he’s going to the fearsome Youngstown Penguins who are a perennial doormat in the Horizon league. Despite his vaunted defense in short segments, he had more turnovers than field goals in his career. I think this is rare among good players. He was a good substitute, not a starter.
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it will be exciting to see how this
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ignore the troll peoples,
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I’m not puzzled. He was at best not even an average guard at the A10 level. That’s why he’s going to the fearsome Youngstown Penguins who are a perennial doormat in the Horizon league. Despite his vaunted defense in short segments, he had more turnovers than field goals in his career. I think this is rare among good players. He was a good substitute, not a starter.
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Your comment doesn't surprise me one bit because you rarely pay any Dayton player a compliment, only criticism! How would you like to tear your ACL before the season even starts? Do you think he enjoyed sitting out instead of playing. We probably wouldn't have lost to 3 bottom feeders if he could have played this past season. Did you forget he scored over 2,000 pts. in his high school career?

You disappeared and were nowhere to be found during our 29-2 season because you would have had to compliment Obi Toppin, Trey Landers, Ryan Mikesell, Rodney Chatman, Jalen Crutcher and Ibi Watson! The only time you posted were a few times to say how bad Jhery Matos and Dwayne Cohill were playing. True to form!
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Baloney. Stick with the topic. Go ahead and refute my Cohill facts. What he did in high school is laudable but irrelevant to UD. He never showed any consistent offense ability. Certainly not to be a started. Look at his ppg, his turn overs and where he went. He went down. That doesn’t mean he’s not a good kid. Just not a player of any real consequence to move this team forward. Same with Jehry. A mediocre role player. Averaged A basket A game. You win by constantly improving.Even they knew they weren’t able at this level and they left for lesser programs.

Your point of view is EXACTLY why we finished 7th in a middling league last year.
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uhmmm...

now that we know the seniors are
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Ok, I'll stay on topic. I still have a problem because you seem to have forgot that Cohill and Matos each only had one year of experience learning the college game which is a huge step up from high school basketball! Every freshman recruit can not come in and average double figures in points and rebounds from day1! Everyone is different! Some remain role players and some (like Toppin and Crutcher) learn faster, and excel quicker. Even Landers and Mikesell needed 4 years. Landers because he was not one of Archie's favorites and Mikesell had 2 hip surgeries which delayed his development. I would have hoped you would have given both Cohill and Matos the benefit of one more year before you made comments about their lack of progress.

I don't want to blame either one of them for entering the transfer portal. It resulted in two more scholarships becoming available!
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Ok, I'll stay on topic. I still have a problem because you seem to have forgot that Cohill and Matos each only had one year of experience learning the college game which is a huge step up from high school basketball! Every freshman recruit can not come in and average double figures in points and rebounds from day1! Everyone is different! Some remain role players and some (like Toppin and Crutcher) learn faster, and excel quicker. Even Landers and Mikesell needed 4 years. Landers because he was not one of Archie's favorites and Mikesell had 2 hip surgeries which delayed his development. I would have hoped you would have given both Cohill and Matos the benefit of one more year before you made comments about their lack of progress.

I don't want to blame either one of them for entering the transfer portal. It resulted in two more scholarships becoming available!
Its not always a lack of progress either though. Sometimes it is that they aren't good enough to play at a certain level. And many times kids begin to understand this and move on because they realize they have been recruited over.

All in all I think it was a good move for both sides, DC goes to a school that is more at his level where he can hopefully prosper and UD gets an open scholarship to replace someone who would have been at best a defensive role player.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Cohill play for us for two years before this year's injury?
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Its not always a lack of progress either though. Sometimes it is that they aren't good enough to play at a certain level. And many times kids begin to understand this and move on because they realize they have been recruited over.

All in all I think it was a good move for both sides, DC goes to a school that is more at his level where he can hopefully prosper and UD gets an open scholarship to replace someone who would have been at best a defensive role player.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, but didn't Cohill play for us for two years before this year's injury?
My bad, yes he averaged 3.5ppg in the 2018-19 season and 2.6ppg in the 2019-20 season when we finished 29-2. I have to agree with a lot of what maddog07 says. Cohill's play on the court, turnovers etc. were going in the wrong direction and perhaps, like you said above, he realized he wasn't good enough to play at the level he envisioned coming out of high school. He was never going to be a starter at UD and play 30 min. a game and he will be at Youngstown St. Of course we were all curious if he could have improved on his stats this coming season but it is probably best for everyone that he moved on.
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While I may agree with Maddog’s assessment to a certain degree, I disagree strongly with his delivery. What’s the point of “bad mouthing” a former player on his way out? Sure, it’s a message board...blah, blah, blah. Politeness takes a back seat to “being right” too much these days. Would it kill you to just say “Thanks for working your tail off for three years and good luck int the future”?
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In this article Grant says that none of the seniors seriously considered staying. All received their degrees. Said Rodney"s season was derailed by injury and he wanted to see what opportunities might be out there for him in the transfer world (and now can get a Masters from Vanderbilt) unlike the others who were ready to move on from college.
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In this article Grant says that none of the seniors seriously considered staying. All received their degrees. Said Rodney"s season was derailed by injury and he wanted to see what opportunities might be out there for him in the transfer world (and now can get a Masters from Vanderbilt) unlike the others who were ready to move on from college.
Congratulations to the seniors for their degrees. Like any motivated person, they are looking for opportunities to pursue their personal dreams. I admire that.
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Ibi’s name has been added to the draft eligible list:

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I have typed Toppin’s name so often that auto-correct changed Ibi to Obi
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Given that Jalen Crutcher continues in his declaration for the NBA draft instead of returning to Dayton for another year, I believe that Bones Hyland from VCU will get drafted before Jalen Crutcher. That is assuming that Bones Hyland is drafted.
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Saw a Tweet yesterday that Jalen was invited to a workout in Minnesota where @30 teams will be watching.
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