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Old 01-27-2019, 12:27 PM
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St Joe Game

So far, so good. 15-12 us after one. Ward and Phillips playing well.

Glad to see Green yank Dennis to the bench immediately, after she got the ball down low two feet from the basket, and instead of shooting passed the ball to 5'2" Shaq, who was a foot away, resulting in a turnover.
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27-26 Flyers at the half. Good minutes from Giacone and Phillip. Cannatelli only 1-7 - mostly on missed drives. Nothing good happens when she drives because she can't jump. Chandler continues to struggle.

Canatelli had chance to hold for last shot of half. Instead she jacks up a missed three. One expects more from a senior. Why, why, why?
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What are u doing LC? 1-7 and chucking one up early in the shot clock instead of holding for a last shot. If you are not playing well, and pretty much you haven’t all year, at least don’t play stupid!
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After decent shooting the first quarter at 38%, down to 27% that quarter. Cannatelli is 1-8 and only one was a three pointer. 27-26 UD at the half.
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I will say St. Joe has adapted better without their top player than UD has.
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39-35 Flyers after 3 quarters. Mostly bad bad basketball that quarter by both teams. Lots of turnovers. Only 2 made buckets by Dayton in that quarter. Best offense was Cannatelli shooting free throws.
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22% that quarter. If we could just keep Cannatelli at the foul line, we can win this. She is still 1-8, but 8-8 on free throws.

We just do not have a close to average shooter on the roster.

I do love our defensive intensity, and how we help.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:32 PM
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We sure will not miss these seniors next year. If we do, we will have recruited another bad class.
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With 4:58 to go in the game, we have made 2 buckets in the second half - and we still lead by 3 - 41-38. Hard to watch.
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Old 01-27-2019, 01:43 PM
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We have had 7 shots blocked today, which is 3 above our terrible average. You would think we are playing UConn. Our shot selection is a disaster.
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Chandler must be injured? She has not played this half.

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Chandler must be inured? She has not played this half.
Played about 20 seconds in the 3rd quarter. Don't think she is injured.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:03 PM
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We did not foul, why??????????????

Greene shaking her head, like she knew she blew that.
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It gets worse. Fowler blows two freebies with .2 left. On to OT.
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Good lord, what a poor performance in the last minute. I realize that we are struggling this year but that was really bad by any standard.
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Playing a terrible team at home. Really shows how far down our talent is. Not on above average reliable player.
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Old 01-27-2019, 02:12 PM
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Awesome so far in OT. St Joe standing around like they don't want to play.

Ward has been great today with 12 pts on 5-7 shooting.
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Thank goodness Bradshaw fouled out. Zero court sense with that foul.
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72-65 final Flyers in OT. Cannatelli goes 22-22 from the line to set new UD record. Old record 12-12. Most made free throws in D-I game this year. What an ugly game!

22-22 from the line ranks second in NCAA D-I women's history- and second in all divisions. #1 went 26-26.

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How do you go 2-11 and don't make a three, but score 26 pts? Congrats to Lauren for the best free throw game this year by a college player!
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Thank God for Cannatelli! That free throw shooting helped save us. I appreciate what she brings to our team.

If we had better point guard play, she would be having a better year.

A win is a win...go get the next one Flyers!
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Some help, please

I don't often have the opportunity to see the UD women play. Today I did. And I can't recall the last time I watched the level of play that I saw today. The game did not look like college-level basketball.

I do understand that the Flyers were not at full strength. But missing a key player should not account for the others playing so poorly.

Coach Green is in her third year. Why isn't she recruiting better players? The players that I saw today and last year in person at Quinnipiac are/were not close to the level of JJ-coached teams. In my opinion.

One more point: The lack of court discipline is on the coaching in my judgement. The mindless fouling near the end of the game and in OT is not what I expect to see from well-coached-scholarship Div 1 players.

Today's game was ghastly.
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Tend to agree with most of what UACFlyer said. I know a few of the posters on this site really follow the team and seem to have knowledge about the status of the team.
So I ask: Have we taken a step or two backwards or is this just a blip on the screen. Watching the last couple minutes of regulation today was really tough, we seemed like a jr. high team. Granted our leading scorer was out but still, not fouling when we should and fouling when we shouldn't, missed freethrows, doing our best to grab defeat form the jaws of victory. So again to the "experts" what the heck is going on?
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I never pay attention to recruiting rankings anyway more unnecessary criticism of Lauren today. To get to the free throw line 22 times in a game not to mention making them all is quite an accomplishment and takes a lot of smarts.
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#1 Notre Dame lost today and they had their leading scorer.
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This year's class: Whitehead 127, Davidson 173 and Skeens 257 is ranked #46.

Next year: Tyler 115, Bohannon 161 and Perez 177 is ranked #55

As far as incoming freshmen slightly better than this year.

We need to get some top 100 players. The average team recruits 3 players, meaning about 30-50 teams are getting all the top 100. The A10 is getting none, and UD none. Any wonder why we cannot get to the Top 25 in winning or ratings.

Ratings are not totally accurate, but in general they are. Get a Top 100 kid like Malott and they tend to produce.
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Yeah but....

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#1 Notre Dame lost today and they had their leading scorer.
ND lost but they looked like a top tier college team doing it.

ud62 makes a point: Neither UD or SJU looked like college teams today.

Re recruiting info kindly provided by jaburr, I'm glad we're at the top of the A10. But I don't think the A10 is how we want to be measured. Dayton has a chance to be among the better programs nationally, Top 25 caliber. The Flyers are drawing 2000+ fans with a mediocre team....not the few hundred typical of A10 teams. We have exceptional facilities and a superb fan base.

Next year's schedule includes UConn and I believe South Carolina,...opponents that do not schedule home-and home series with programs they do not respect. I know for a fact that it was UD's performance against UConn in the Elite 8 in what seems like many years ago that earned for us the UConn series.

UConn would score 100+++ points against the current version of the Flyers without breaking a sweat. Next year's UConn team will not be as good as this year's; but they will be very good. Are we going to be embarrassed or not? And if so, why?

ud62 asked for the opinion of the "experts" that follow the Flyers closely. No one answered. I'll ask the same question for the experts. What the heck is going one? Why aren't we playing better? Today's pathetic performance reflected more than the absence of the leading player, in my opinion.
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I am NOT an expert, but I do follow the the team.
Last year, Shakeela Fowler was supposed to be a back up for Jenna, get some experience playing with the team and give Jenna rest. She was injured early (maybe even before the season started) I don't remember exactly. Bradshaw was a transfer so she was sitting out, so neither of them played. Jenna played a lot as a freshman, but she had a great supporting cast of guards too, Deane, Austria, Hoover. Mallott and Hoover drew most of attention so she could concentrate on just handling the ball. I agree with whoever said the pg link is sort of weak this year and that has contributed to some of the problems. But I do think the lack of experience is the reason.

Last year there were fewer players so they got into a rhythm with one another, this year a bigger bench and it hasn't happened. Maybe because so many are playing. (I don't know) We also don't have anyone like Layfield, but I think maybe Kyla Whitehead can become like her.

As far as Lauren goes, she hasn't been hitting the 3 so today she concentrated on driving to the hoop and it paid off. ST Joe's didn't have to worry about Jayla so they were all over Lauren. Obviously she was money at the line and won the game there. Kudos to her for setting 2 school records today because we needed it.

So I can't tell you "what the heck is going on", but as far as I know there are no "locker room" issues.

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Got a real look at our talent today against a doormat team in our house without being able to deploy our star player.

Our weakness extends to all positions save Scaife. Our post play is poor on d and rebounding and at best average offensively when Chandler is on. Our shooting guard can’t play d or penetrate and is not shooting great, foul shots notwithstanding. So far this years recruits are underwhelming.

Everyone expected that Bradshaw and Ward would be very good based on their high school credentials but they haven’t produced. Wilmouth appears to have forgotten how to play basketball. Accordingly we are far off the national stage and only a mediocre team in a marginal conference. Unless the Vandy transfer is really good, I would not expect us to improve greatly next year.
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We need to get some top 100 players. The average team recruits 3 players, meaning about 30-50 teams are getting all the top 100. The A10 is getting none, and UD none.
You mean like Nadjy Tyler, rated No. 71? No question some of Shauna’s recruits AND transfers haven’t panned out, but she’s clearly capable of landing Top 100 kids. I mean, she just did. Ally was a McDonald’s All-American. That was like winning the lottery.

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You mean like Nadjy Tyler, rated No. 71? No question some of Shauna’s recruits AND transfers haven’t panned out, but she’s clearly capable of landing Top 100 kids. I mean, she just did. Ally was a McDonald’s All-American. That was like winning the lottery.

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There are three things needed for a coach to succeed...and everyone knows them: good recruiting; good player development; good game coaching.

If Coach Green's recruits and transfers appear good but don't seem to "pan out", perhaps there is a coaching issue as regards development. I don't know. But I do know that next year will be her fourth and the Flyers pale in comparison to Jabir's teams.

I never post about the performance of either UD men's or women's BB...just not close enough to the programs to have worthwhile opinions. But after watching today's performance I cannot help but speak. The Flyers' play was absolutely dreadful....stunning to me. Something(s) is not right.
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Announcers pointed out today while Shauna has a full complement of players they have little experience especially with one another.
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Announcers pointed out today while Shauna has a full complement of players they have little experience especially with one another.
I heard that Avid. But, it's the coach's job to work the group into a team. Not many coaches would complain about having a deep bench.

Perhaps we have a deep bench comprised of mediocre players. Whatever, the level of play being exhibited about halfway through the season is awful.

Actually the Flyers performed pretty well against tough OOC opposition early in the season...even in losses. The recent very poor play has been against A10 teams. I was stunned today...I haven't seen a level of play like that in a college game in a very long time. That is not the kind of game the TV people expect to telecast when they put their schedules together...and it's even a chore for the announcers to do their jobs.
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Our post play is poor on d and rebounding ...Our shooting guard can’t play d...
Huh? UD is #10 in the country in FG% Defense at a ridiculously low 34.5%. Without looking that's probably one of the best marks in the last 10-15yrs of UDWBB.

This team doesnt have a defensive problem, it has a shooting problem. They are an anemic 37.2% FG% overall and 32% from trey. There isnt a single player on the team that shoots 50% from the field (even the post players). Probably most debilitating is there isn't a single perimeter player on the team that shoots 40%+. The bigs cant make layups and the guards cant make jumpshots. That's the entire nut. If this team could shoot even remotely straight they'd have made about 10-12 more baskets and would be 14-4 instead of 10-8 without touching anything else.
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That's a good analysis of this team - inside play with the sometimes exception of Brittany Ward has been especially abysmal and disappointing and the point guard position is spotty with lack of size an issue. I'd love to see Giacone get a start at point guard - she could cause matchup issues and can shoot the ball well. Maybe that would free up Lauren from long range.
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Face it, we've been spoiled for more than a decade, we see something like yesterday and we think "That's not the UD we're accustomed to." I can only imagine this message board had the Flyers lost. One reason I don't take stock in recruiting rankings, where was Andrea Hoover? No where and she's one of the greatest ever. It'll be a struggle the rest of the season practically every game even when Jayla gets back so we have to live with it.
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You mean like Nadjy Tyler, rated No. 71? No question some of Shauna’s recruits AND transfers haven’t panned out, but she’s clearly capable of landing Top 100 kids. I mean, she just did. Ally was a McDonald’s All-American. That was like winning the lottery.

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Thanks, in a senior moment I forgot about Nadjy. That is what I'm talking about, get one of those each year. Three of those four on average will live up to the rating, and one or two of the not so highly rated are better, and suddenly you have an excellent starting five.

This year is a lost cause, because we do not have great recruits, the transfers seemed to have transferred because they are highly rated kids who should not have been There is a huge pressure on every player to shoot better, which has created tense shooters.

Shooting, like putting in golf, gets in your head. It is in every player's and coach's head right now. The tension in Cannetelli's shooting mechanics and shot selection is terrible. She is line driving her three's. Pressure does that.

My biggest concern going forward is at point guard. We have some decent young bigs next year, and of course Scaife and Ward back. Ward is playing well now. She is shooting better than anyone else. If we can get some inside offensive play, it will take the pressure off of Scaife taking too many bad shots, and Fowler and Bradshaw having to shoot much at all. They learn to penetrate and dish almost every time.

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Huh? UD is #10 in the country in FG% Defense at a ridiculously low 34.5%. Without looking that's probably one of the best marks in the last 10-15yrs of UDWBB.

This team doesnt have a defensive problem, it has a shooting problem. They are an anemic 37.2% FG% overall and 32% from trey. There isnt a single player on the team that shoots 50% from the field (even the post players). Probably most debilitating is there isn't a single perimeter player on the team that shoots 40%+. The bigs cant make layups and the guards cant make jumpshots. That's the entire nut. If this team could shoot even remotely straight they'd have made about 10-12 more baskets and would be 14-4 instead of 10-8 without touching anything else.
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Thanks, in a senior moment I forgot about Nadjy. That is what I'm talking about, get one of those each year. Three of those four on average will live up to the rating, and one or two of the not so highly rated are better, and suddenly you have an excellent starting five.

This year is a lost cause, because we do not have great recruits, the transfers seemed to have transferred because they are highly rated kids who should not have been There is a huge pressure on every player to shoot better, which has created tense shooters.

Shooting, like putting in golf, gets in your head. It is in every player's and coach's head right now. The tension in Cannetelli's shooting mechanics and shot selection is terrible. She is line driving her three's. Pressure does that.

My biggest concern going forward is at point guard. We have some decent young bigs next year, and of course Scaife and Ward back. Ward is playing well now. She is shooting better than anyone else. If we can get some inside offensive play, it will take the pressure off of Scaife taking too many bad shots, and Fowler and Bradshaw having to shoot much at all. They learn to penetrate and dish almost every time.
Thanks guys for thorough analyses by people close enough to the program to be listened to.

A point though: It's possible at times to be so close that you miss things that others may see from a distance. Shooting has been poor, as pointed out. But what I saw yesterday went far beyond shooting...and defense.

The Flyers yesterday looked like a team without a coach...making mistake after mistake, many of which reflected a complete lack of discipline that successful coaches would not tolerate for a second. ud62 mentioned that the Flyers looked like a junior HS team. He's right. A bad shooting day and/or missing the key player should not make a well coached Div 1 college team look like a HS team.

That is my main point. Not the shooting; not the defense;...but playing as if it was a pickup game or late summer practices before the coaches are allowed to become involved in October. Playing like that past mid-point in a season is bewildering to me, especially since, based on scores, early season games against good OOC opponents must have been pretty good.

I just don't understand it.
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What specifically from yesterday's game made it seem as if they are without a coach?
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What specifically from yesterday's game made it seem as if they are without a coach?
With all due respect Barney, perhaps you're too close to the Flyers and/or have low expectations. Or possibly you don't watch other women's games featuring programs at the level Dayton aspires to. I don't mean UConn vs Baylor. I mean other Top 25-50 teams.

Barney, this is a program that made the Elite 8 a few years ago, leading the eventual national champion at halftime....the first time that happened in 100 years. The UConn coach raved about UD in a way I had never heard...never about Tenn or Stanford. And he agreed to a series with us,...an up-and-coming elite program that earned his highest respect.

Flash forward. What specifically you ask? Everything! The Flyers looked like a HS team in all aspects of their game....everything. The exception, of course, being the remarkable foul shooting demonstration of Cannatelli.

Well coached teams do not play the way Dayton did yesterday no matter the opposition, no matter the score. And the opposition was very poor.

Dayton is not just another program, Barney. A very large number of schools consider women's BB an after thought, a necessary consequence of Title IX. Much/most of the A10 views the sport that way. A few hundred show up for games. At Dayton the situation is quite different...the program has everything needed to be excellent...everything....including strong fan support.

That being the case there should be little tolerance for excuses. Currently the program is not excellent, not close to good, average at best to be charitable.
And I have read nothing in this thread suggesting we are positioned for a great season next year, which will be Green's fourth.

If Grant's team played like the women's in his fourth year he would be crucified. He's getting more heat right now in his second year than Green.

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This isn't a talented team in my opinion, I don't expect much the rest of the year - sure hope I'm wrong. One bad year let's not panic, please do not call for the head of the coach either - it happens, look at Tennessee they've lost six straight. No way would the loss of Burdette and Layfield be able to be made up this year, two elite players. So I don't think because of my broadcast status I'm sugarcoating things but I can't go on radio and say some of this.
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This isn't a talented team in my opinion, I don't expect much the rest of the year - sure hope I'm wrong. One bad year let's not panic, please do not call for the head of the coach either - it happens, look at Tennessee they've lost six straight. No way would the loss of Burdette and Layfield be able to be made up this year, two elite players. So I don't think because of my broadcast status I'm sugarcoating things but I can't go on radio and say some of this.
Apparently no one is expecting much next year either....Green's fourth.

Criticizing the coaching is not calling for the "head of the coach". Most definitely, I am not doing that. I am not close enough to the programs, men's or women's to to ever say anything like that.

Nonetheless, yesterday's performance greatly disappointed me and as I've said, I don't understand it.

With ten seconds to play in OT and having an insurmountable lead one of your players barrels past a SJU player and plows into a shooter? The camera pans to coach Green who just shakes her head and smiles. Rather than a head shake and a smile I think some serious @ss kicking is what's needed. Perhaps it happened. But brain-lock playing like that does not reflect well on coaching. And there was much more just like it throughout the game.

What would we be saying if the men did things like that?
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Her nature is not to berate the player in public, I'm sure she handled the matter after the game or the next day in practice. We see way too much of coaches not being able to control their emotions involving players and just because she shook her head doesn't mean she's blowing it off. How can we make a judgement about next year already, we can't. Yes it was a depressing performance yesterday but at least it was a win. Part of me doesn't want to see this team win the A-10 Tourney and get slaughtered in the NCAA tourney. Heck the good UD teams have had issues competing in the NCAA Tourney. The WNIT would be better for them competition wise with home games please since for a women's program they draw halfway decent.
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I think Green is doing a great job with what she has. She has got through to a bunch of average athletes to play hard and constant defense. Bad players and young players make dumb mistakes, and that is the reality. I have coached great players, mid players and poor players. The poor players you can coach and coach, but change is slow. With great players tweak them a little and get out of their way.

We all interpret things differently when we see them at a distance. I thought Green was shaking her head a bit and about to come out of her shoes twice yesterday. If she was smiling, it was out of pain.

Green's problem and blame goes to recruiting. Someone did not do their homework on our transfers, and two of our recruits are not what we need to see for a team that wants the Top25.
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Last years stats vs this year.

SCAIFE
2018 FG% .409 3PTFG% .341 PPG 14.5 RPG 5.4
2019 FG% .388 3PTFG% .397 PPG 15.6 RPG 7.6

CANNATELLI
2018 FG% .376 3PTFG% .407 PPG 13.3 RPG 2.4
2019 FG% .314 3PTFG% .317 PPG 12.3 RPG 2.4

WILMOTH
2018 FG% .439 3PTFG% .360 PPG 5.50 RPG 3.3
2019 FG% .267 3PTFG% .333 PPG 1.60 RPG 2.6

DENNIS
2018 FG% .323 3PTFG% .333 PPG 3.40 RPG 3.1
2019 FG% .415 3PTFG% .250 PPG 3.20 RPG 3.9

WARD
2018 FG% .280 3PTFG% .000 PPG 1.20 RPG 1.8
2019 FG% .462 3PTFG% .500 PPG 3.60 RPG 2.8

PHILLIPS
2018 FG% .316 3PTFG% .111 PPG 2.30 RPG 2.6
2019 FG% .417 3PTFG% .500 PPG 1.50 RPG 2.9

OTHERS
Parkinson: 2018 PTS: 16 / 2019 PTS: 7

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If you look at the numbers, the improvement in PPG and RPG among the returning players with experience has not materialized to any appreciable degree. You would not expect huge improvements on PPG from Scaife or Cannatelli because they already averaged well into double figures (but some improvement would still be expected), but you would expect those improvements from players that averaged 1-2-3 PPG and 1-2-3 RPG last season -- its much easier to improve your points and rebounds by 50% or 100% when you only average 2ppg and 2.5rpg. Unfortunately this has not happened. Wilmoth in particular has regressed significantly. Shooting percentages, which were not great last year, either stayed stagnant or declined for too many players as well. Those who did see slight improvements are from players with so few total shots that the shooting percentage is based on less volume and not quite as meaningful for long-term evaluation.

Other than Scaife improving her 3-PT shooting and rebounding, there was little to no improvement anywhere else. Where we expected the most improvement -- those in the 1-2-3 PPG/RPG zone -- they more or less remain bit players with bit statistics. Not a single player took a significant leap from a year ago (i.e. the "blossom" year) and with anemic numbers last year, such an improvement was not asking a lot especially considering we have a small army of these players and not even one of them could make that leap.

I dont have Chandler, Bradshaw, Giacone, and Fowler in here b/c they did not play a year ago. But even so, two of those four were former Top-100 recruits that transferred from programs that played in the national championship game, and a third was a Top-100 recruit. Fowler has probably been the most consistent of the four (or perhaps the most important) despite having 1/5th the provenance and came off a redshirt season rehabbing from injury (more or less like Giacone).

The long and short of it is we haven't been strait-jacketed by Scaife's and Cannatelli's shooting declines (though they are worth mentioning). Those two still carry the biggest bags on the team and its harder to improve the better your stats are. The Flyers have paid a huge price however in the bit players who have remained bit players despite becoming juniors and seniors and having no one in front of them to commandeer all the playing time. They just didn't grow up. How or why -- not for me to solve. But the facts are this: about a half dozen players did not or have not matured in the program and become reliable scorers, rebounders, and playmakers for us. You cant beat good teams when nine scholarship players average less than 4.0 PPG. Last year that number was four despite having significantly less depth. Yes the minutes were not spread around as much as this year, but the minutes more players are receiving this year has not paid any dividends.

Players should be fresher and capable of going harder in shorter stints. The increase in pace and pressure should be yielding higher percentage shots because we can rotate tired players in more often and not "pace ourselves". We should be wearing teams down and getting more easy transition points. Instead the opposite has happened. We've gotten worse shots and are almost 2 turnovers a game sloppier with the basketball.

Its not a good sign when you have six scholarship upperclassmen averaging fewer than 4 PPG. We have a grand total of three upperclassmen giving us "upperclass" stats of any measure: Scaife, Cannatelli, and Chandler -- and all three have plenty of room to improve.

Three areas I think we fall short in against most opponents: footwork, strength, and speed/athleticism. Our bigs travel about as often as they miss shots, we cannot finish around the rim with contact, and despite our numbers advantage cannot use those numbers to create a quickness issue for other teams. We had Burdette and Layfield last year -- and Marquette still exposed us as a slow, unathletic, largely un-coordinated team. This year without those two studs, this weakness has been compounded almost exponentially.

Defensively, we've done more than enough. No complaints there. In our last 7 games we've given up 51pts or less in regulation in every single game. That's elite. Yes the competition in that stretch has not been elite, but even against Sisters of the Poor 51ppg in a 7-game stretch is remarkable. Our crutch is an inability to score the basketball. Part of that is because we're so anemic on the fast break (due to low quickness/athleticism) that we cannot manufacture easy baskets and are forced to play halfcourt offense with undersized guards and overmatched bigs with poor footwork. One on one, those matchups on offense are not favorable for us.
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Chris, I appreciate what you posted. It is that ability to score that is killing us right now.

We have a kid who played four years in high school, was that conference leader in scoring (men or women), can move without the ball (at least it appears this way in her limited time) and appears to be a pretty decent rebounder. Yet, she sits the bench game after game. Why not give her a chance.

We have a top 100 player who played the point in high school. Has been hurt for the last two years and yet we play her sparingly at the point. She has size, can create her own shot and passes the ball well.

Yet, we continue to play two undersized point guards, who handle the ball at times haphazardly, both can score, but neither look to set the scorers up. Even the inside players are not ready to receive the ball because they believe the shot is going up instead of coming to them. This can cause missed easy inside shots (we are still missing too many, but this is potentially why).

We are deep, but we still lack a lot of team chemistry on the floor, which should not happen considering they all went to Italy together. I know conference play is different and harder than OOC because these teams know you and what you can do and can't do. Yet, we still continue to run the same stuff and combinations.

I really do think our defense is very good. Cannatelli gets a bad rap, but she hustles and plays hard on the defensive end.

I really do think it is time to change things up with Ward and Giacone starting at the point and using Davidson and Skeens more. Davidson looks like she can handle herself inside in what I have seen.

I do want to see this team make the NCAA, because that is a good experience for any of these kids and Lauren and Jayla deserve another shot at it.

Go on to the next one and get that and keep winning is what we need to see.

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Chris, I appreciate what you posted. It is that ability to score that is killing us right now.

We have a kid who played four years in high school, was that conference leader in scoring (men or women), can move without the ball (at least it appears this way in her limited time) and appears to be a pretty decent rebounder. Yet, she sits the bench game after game. Why not give her a chance.

We have a top 100 player who played the point in high school. Has been hurt for the last two years and yet we play her sparingly at the point. She has size, can create her own shot and passes the ball well.

Yet, we continue to play two undersized point guards, who handle the ball at times haphazardly, both can score, but neither look to set the scorers up. Even the inside players are not ready to receive the ball because they believe the shot is going up instead of coming to them. This can cause missed easy inside shots (we are still missing too many, but this is potentially why).

We are deep, but we still lack a lot of team chemistry on the floor, which should not happen considering they all went to Italy together. I know conference play is different and harder than OOC because these teams know you and what you can do and can't do. Yet, we still continue to run the same stuff and combinations.

I really do think our defense is very good. Cannatelli gets a bad rap, but she hustles and plays hard on the defensive end.

I really do think it is time to change things up with Ward and Giacone starting at the point and using Davidson and Skeens more. Davidson looks like she can handle herself inside in what I have seen.

I do want to see this team make the NCAA, because that is a good experience for any of these kids and Lauren and Jayla deserve another shot at it.

Go on to the next one and get that and keep winning is what we need to see.

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This analysis sounds very much like criticism of the coaching.
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Who is responsible for our inability to score? Who is ultimately responsible for the outcome of our games and season? Who gets paid a nice salary to get our program moved along?

I as a fan can criticize the coaching for a step back from where our team was and is now. I do have faith in our staff, but the problem I have right now is we keep doing things over and over again with the same results.

Put us in another conference and we would be getting slammed over and over.

Everyone loves to bash Lauren as too slow. Doesn't play D. Can't shoot well compared to other years. Why is this? She busts her butt every game. She carried us against the hawks. Know why Lauren shot better last year...the PG. This year's PGs are the reason why both her and Jayla are shooting worse...this comes back to the coaches.

I love the Flyers! I drive 3 hours total to watch games. I am not a coach now, but have in the past. I am not a person who thinks he knows it all because I don't, but this coaching staff has work to do and frankly they are not getting it done as they have in the past or should be in a conference as bad as this one....so yes it is a critiscm of the coaches.
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I'm sure the coaching staff will take responsibility for this season. To show what a lousy conference it is, VCU is leading it, are they for real? Last night will tell you no way, they struggled the entire way at home and beat UMASS by 4.
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I'm sure the coaching staff will take responsibility for this season. To show what a lousy conference it is, VCU is leading it, are they for real? Last night will tell you no way, they struggled the entire way at home and beat UMASS by 4.
Barney, you once mentioned that it's not Coach Green's "style" to ridicule or embarrass players. I'm glad of that.

Nonetheless, if you observe the coaches of the top 10-20 programs during a game you will see that they are far from passive. Indeed, there is plenty of real time corrective "interaction" with players....the coaches do not wait until the next practice.

Tonight #2 plays #3 on ESPN....you'll see exactly what I mean.
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When you watch on TV or streaming you do not see her much of the time. She is not passive.
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She's hardly passive but she will not take the Dan Burt technique and do any public ridiculing of players nor should she.
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She's hardly passive but she will not take the Dan Burt technique and do any public ridiculing of players nor should she.
I agree completely.

But, if we want the Flyers to be a top team nationally. not just in the A10, the demands on both players and coaches have to be the same as on the men's side. Otherwise the best we'll get is an occasional NCAA bid followed by a one and out. We want better than that, or we should.
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