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So the senate made a statement today on their findings from their special committee. They conclude that Russia did try to interfere in the election. No statements about Trump, or if Russia tried to favor Clinton or Trump.

What a great expenditure of money and time to come to basically no conclusion that was not obvious without this committee. The Senate, and most of these special committees are a joke.
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How is the GOP Congress dysfunctional? With the exception of a small number of moderate Republicans, who are holding everything back, the GOP Congress so far has pretty much tried to do some of what they said they would do.

The GOP so far has folded on budgetary matters it seems. Still no wall funding. Still an out of control deficit situation.
Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
Yeah, fair enough, nothing really, in terms of major legislation: tried to get Ocare repealed/healthcare reform done, also passed sanctions against Russia, North Korea, and Iran, and an appropriations bill, and that's it.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/115t...or_legislation




Obama's Senate supermajority and House majority got done: Ocare, Dodd-Frank Wall Street reform, and the stimulus, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/111t...or_legislation



GWB had both houses for 4 straight years and got done: Medicare reform/Medicare Part D, border fencing(although not fully funded), and the partial birth abortion ban, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/108t...or_legislation

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/109t...or_legislation




Clinton had both houses for 2 years and got done: the Brady bill, NAFTA, and don't ask don't tell, among others.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/103r...or_legislation




It is extremely hard/almost impossible for Congress to get anything major done, especially something that is bipartisan, even when the president has both houses on his side.

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Please list the accomplishments of the GOP Congress since January.
Please list the accomplishments of Congress, period, since Obamacare (and I am being generous to say that is an accomplishment).
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Other than Russian collusion with Facebook, what have we learned about Russian interference so far?
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Other than Russian collusion with Facebook, what have we learned about Russian interference so far?

Interesting take, on the Russian-financed Facebook ads, from Mark Penn, who was the chief strategist for Hillary's POTUS run in 2008. He was also Hillary's 2000 Senate run chief strategist and Bill's 1996 POTUS run chief strategist.


http://www.realclearlife.com/politic...ok-ads-really/:


In a new opinion piece for the Wall Street Journal, Mark Penn, former chief strategist for Hillary Clinton’s 2008 presidential campaign, makes the argument that the Facebook ads Russia purchased did not win President Trump the election.

Penn, who was also chief strategist on Bill Clinton’s 1996 presidential campaign, Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate campaign, writes that putting too much weight behind Russia’s involvement — there is proof that some $100,000 worth of ads came from accounts associated with Russia — could cause Washington to regulate the internet and “curtail basic freedoms.”

According to Penn, besides the Facebook ads, there were three 90-minute debates, two televised party conventions and $2.4 billion spent on the campaign. Penn writes that Facebook says 56 percent of the ads ran after the election, and not all ads ran in swing states, but also New York, California, and Texas. Factoring all that in brings the total down to $22,000 by Penn’s calculations. Plus, Facebook counted ads as early as June 2015, and most ads did not solicit support for a candidate. Penn writes that all this drops the number to $6,500.

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The horse is dead, but it was ridden so hard that it will not disappear from Democratic talking points. It has become driven so solidly into the minds of the viewers of CNN, network news, CNBC, etc, that they will never be able to let it go. It is a conspiracy theory that has been mis-represented as fact for so long that is has created it's own reality in the minds of the sheep.
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http://thehill.com/policy/national-s...administration

This should be the Russian story.

Before the Obama administration approved a controversial deal in 2010 giving Moscow control of a large swath of American uranium, the FBI had gathered substantial evidence that Russian nuclear industry officials were engaged in bribery, kickbacks, extortion and money laundering designed to grow Vladimir Putin’s atomic energy business inside the United States, according to government documents and interviews.
Federal agents used a confidential U.S. witness working inside the Russian nuclear industry to gather extensive financial records, make secret recordings and intercept emails as early as 2009 that showed Moscow had compromised an American uranium trucking firm with bribes and kickbacks in violation of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, FBI and court documents show.
They also obtained an eyewitness account — backed by documents — indicating Russian nuclear officials had routed millions of dollars to the U.S. designed to benefit former President Bill Clinton's charitable foundation during the time Secretary of State Hillary Clinton served on a government body that provided a favorable decision to Moscow, sources told The Hill.
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The horse is dead, but it was ridden so hard that it will not disappear from Democratic talking points. It has become driven so solidly into the minds of the viewers of CNN, network news, CNBC, etc, that they will never be able to let it go. It is a conspiracy theory that has been mis-represented as fact for so long that is has created it's own reality in the minds of the sheep.
It reminds you of the Bush-Gore Florida hanging chad conspiracy theory. Regardless of multiple investigations all coming to the same conclusion that Bush legitimately won Florida, you still hear liberals make claims that he stole the election and wasn't a legitimate President.

It'll happen again the next time a Republican wins the Presidency. Liberals will create a whole new conspiracy without any proof, and it will live on in infamy.
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It now appears that the very people who were running the FBI when it was aware that the Russians were playing all kinds of underhanded games to tap into our uranium supply, and then overlooked the Uranium 1 / Clinton Foundation deal, are now those digging for a connection between Trump and Russia. And their justification was a "Russian dossier" that was bought and paid for by anti-Trump forces that has turned out to have nothing verifiable within it.

Isn't that perverse?

And has anyone noticed that the formerly "Russian interference obsessed press" has avoided touching this one like it is radioactive? I wonder why "the news" would avoid this mammoth story?

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It is extremely disturbing that the FBI can apparently be corrupted to this extreme degree. They are supposed to be non-partisan, with unquestioned integrity.
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Thanks for starting this thread Swampy. Who knew that it would end with the Clintons and DNC colluding with Russia to influence the election? I guess that is how justice works.
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You're welcome Fudd: http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/27/politi...ion/index.html

My bet on the first indictee in this criminal investigation is Mike Flynn.
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It seems like Trump SiL Jared Kushner could be in some deep doo-doo:

http://www.businessinsider.com/jared...assley-2017-11
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Mueller subpoenaed Trump campaign for Russia documents:

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Mueller subpoenaed Trump campaign for Russia documents:

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What would I ever do without you Swampy? This is groundbreaking news
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Fusion GPS paid reporters.

Hmm.

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No they didn't:

Reports in right-wing media have seized upon records showing that Fusion GPS gave money to multiple journalists last year, accusing the firm of paying reporters to publish stories corroborating the dossier. The Washington, D.C.–based firm was founded by two former reporters, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, and regularly employs journalists to dig up information. None of them, the firm insists, publish stories based on their findings.

http://www.newsweek.com/trump-dossie...ee-tape-720340

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Reports in right-wing media have seized upon records showing that Fusion GPS gave money to multiple journalists last year, accusing the firm of paying reporters to publish stories corroborating the dossier. The Washington, D.C.–based firm was founded by two former reporters, Glenn Simpson and Peter Fritsch, and regularly employs journalists to dig up information. None of them, the firm insists, publish stories based on their findings.


http://www.newsweek.com/trump-dossie...ee-tape-720340
Hopefully you inserted a bad link...if not...your source is not found.

Every single report states that Fusion did in fact give money to reporters. What you fail to mention is that different sources are stating what the purpose of the money was from. The right says that the money was part of improper acts while the left states that the money paid by Fusion was for their "investigative" work and not the actual reporting.

Your first mistake is believing anything on either side as fact. You know **** well different groups feed certain journalists different information. From your local news all the way to the top.
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Fixed the link.

You said "Every single report states that Fusion did in fact give money to reporters."

Yeah, reports from The Washington Examiner, Red State, The Conservative Treehouse?

No thanks.
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Newsweek, non-credible; The Conservative Treehouse, credible.

Got it.

Meanwhile, back to the subject of the thread: Trump and Russian interference.

Here is what Trump actually told Russian Ambassador Kislyak the day after he fired James Comey and the international ramifications of that stupidity:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017...social_twitter

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Washington Post, credible. NOT.

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The only sources reporting that BS are Faux News, Breitbart, the Free Beacon and something called the Raspberry Palace.

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Read this tweet post from journalist Ed Krassenstein detailing Facebook posts from Putin ally Konstantinos Rykov with an open mind and you can draw only one conclusion:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdKrassen...21422641999873
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Read this tweet post from journalist Ed Krassenstein detailing Facebook posts from Putin ally Konstantinos Rykov with an open mind and you can draw only one conclusion:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdKrassen...21422641999873
We're 5 minutes from tipoff and you're posting this sh*t?

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Constitutional expert Laurence Tribe says Robert Mueller can put Donald Trump on trial ahead of impeachment:

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics...rt-trial/6237/

In more bad news for Trump: a Czech court has ruled that a Russian hacker can be expedited to the US—and to the waiting arms of Robert Mueller:

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Remember those increased Russian sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed? Trump has yet to put them into effect. And now Tillerson has closed the office at the State Department that is charged with enforcing them:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/26/...ampaign=buffer

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Remember our uranium? Now Putin controls it and the Clinton Foundation has an extra $150,000,000.00. Just saying......
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This gentleman does a great job explaining in a couple of paragraphs that everything you just said is BS:

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Alan Dershowitz: Mueller grossly exceeding his authority

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...t_mueller.html:


Dershowitz: Trump Team Not "Aggressive" Enough With Robert Mueller

"I think the administration is not aggressive enough with Mueller," the legal eagle told Laura Ingraham on her FOX News program. "They should be in court challenging what Mueller has been doing," Dershowitz said on the Fox News show. "He is going so far beyond any possible scope of his investigation. For example, there were reports ... that they were investigating whether or not Jared Kushner tried to get the United States to change its policy toward Israel — the resolution condemning Israel for occupying the Western Wall, the holiest place in Judaism. Let's assume that Jared Kushner did that. He should be praised for it. There is nothing criminal about that. What is Mueller doing investigating whether or not somebody during the transition was trying to influence American foreign policy to the benefit of the American people?"

"So I think the Trump administration ought to be more aggressive in challenging the scope of this investigation, challenging subpoenas, challenging who is called as witnesses. This is supposed to be an investigation about whether or not there was illegal, unlawful collusion with Russia. Collusion itself is not a crime. But now what they are doing is going after people for what is the equivalent of jaywalking. Did they sign the right form? Did they include this in the form? That's all in an attempt to try to squeeze them into testifying against the Oval Office," Dershowitz said.

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This right here is some downright scary sh*t:

The Trump administration is reportedly weighing the creation of a private network of spies conjured up by former Blackwater founder Erik Prince, a former CIA officer and famous Iran-Contra scandal figure Oliver North, which would gather intelligence for CIA Director Mike Pompeo and the White House and keep the rest of the U.S. intelligence community in the dark of what it discovers.

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Dershowitz: Trump Team Not "Aggressive" Enough With Robert Mueller

"I think the administration is not aggressive enough with Mueller," the legal eagle told Laura Ingraham on her FOX News program. "They should be in court challenging what Mueller has been doing," Dershowitz said on the Fox News show. "He is going so far beyond any possible scope of his investigation. For example, there were reports ... that they were investigating whether or not Jared Kushner tried to get the United States to change its policy toward Israel — the resolution condemning Israel for occupying the Western Wall, the holiest place in Judaism. Let's assume that Jared Kushner did that. He should be praised for it. There is nothing criminal about that. What is Mueller doing investigating whether or not somebody during the transition was trying to influence American foreign policy to the benefit of the American people?"

"So I think the Trump administration ought to be more aggressive in challenging the scope of this investigation, challenging subpoenas, challenging who is called as witnesses. This is supposed to be an investigation about whether or not there was illegal, unlawful collusion with Russia. Collusion itself is not a crime. But now what they are doing is going after people for what is the equivalent of jaywalking. Did they sign the right form? Did they include this in the form? That's all in an attempt to try to squeeze them into testifying against the Oval Office," Dershowitz said.
Please tell me how Monica Lewinsky tied into the Whitewater investigation. These things take on a life of their own once they start. Following a money trail can lead you down interesting paths.
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Talk about fake news.

Fox News: Mueller's team has not subpoenaed Deutsche Bank on Trump's finances, legal team say

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...sia-probe.html

Wall Street Journal: Mueller Subpoenas Deutsche Bank Records Related to Trump

The subpoena concerns documents and data related to people or entities affiliated with the President

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Talk about fake news.

Fox News: Mueller's team has not subpoenaed Deutsche Bank on Trump's finances, legal team say

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...sia-probe.html

Wall Street Journal: Mueller Subpoenas Deutsche Bank Records Related to Trump

The subpoena concerns documents and data related to people or entities affiliated with the President
Thanks for pointing out that the "reports" that Mueller subpoenaed Deutsche bank records are fake news, lol.

Jay Sekulow, one of Trump’s personal lawyers, said Deutsche Bank has not received any subpoena for financial records relating to the president as part of Mueller’s probe.

“We have confirmed that the news reports that the Special Counsel had subpoenaed financial records relating to the president are false,” Sekulow told Reuters in a statement. “No subpoena has been issued or received. We have confirmed this with the bank and other sources.”
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1DZ0XN

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https://nypost.com/2017/12/05/latest...-partisan-hit/

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The British publicist who arranged the June 2016 meeting with Russians and Donald Trump Jr. sent multiple emails to a Russian participant and a member of Donald Trump's inner circle later that summer, multiple sources told CNN, the first indication there was any follow-up after the meeting:

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IMHO, it seems like this Thread should have been "BHO Administration and the DNC interfere in the US Election". Just look at the record over the previous eight years of the Russians getting everything they wanted from the Obama Administration and HRC's State Department: radar arrays out of Poland; the take over of Crimea and eastern Ukraine; a major voice in the Iran nuclear deal; major presence into the Middle East with a Mediterranean Port;, and 20% of our uranium reserves...not bad, huh? Plus, don't forget Obama telling Medvedev to let Putin know he'd have more flexibility after his last election. of the BHO Administrations or WJC getting some nice change for a "speech" in Moscow. Yeah, it's all about why Putin wanted Trump over Clinton...it's a farce on it's face.
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IMHO, it seems like this Thread should have been "BHO Administration and the DNC interfere in the US Election".
You are kidding right? 2 felony indictments and 2 guilty pleas so far and more to come and you think it's all a fairy tale?

Here are new details on just one of the bad actors in the Trump orbit--Mike Flynn--who spearheaded an effort to build nuclear reactors in the Mideast with Russian support, once Trump dropped the sanctions:

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/mar...206-story.html

Why are they all meeting with Russians and lying about it until the truth is uncovered? Where are all the meetings with the Brits, Canadians or Mexico?

And remember, Flynn is now cooperating with Mueller.

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Manafort got in trouble over something that he did prior to Trump even running for President. Flynn was caught in a lie to the FBI. A process crime. You compare that to the standard of lying set by the Clinton investigation and wonder why there is a double-standard. And the process crime has nothing to do with the election. It was not a crime to talk to Russians. Who knows why he lied or if it was even intentional. What else do we have? A year of media and the FBI just going to town trying to find any evidence of collusion. The best that turned up is Uranium One and the Fake Russian Dossier paid for by the DNC, Hillary and Obama.
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Russian social media executive sought to help Trump campaign in 2016:

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Russian social media executive sought to help Trump campaign in 2016:

https://t.co/F2pectPiCG
Wow, that sure is pretty powerful stuff. "Sought" sure is a powerful legal term. Time to throw away the key.

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“Please feel free to send me whatever you have,” Scavino wrote to Goldstone on Jan. 19. “Thank you so much for looking out for Mr. Trump and his presidential campaign.”

Dan Scavino, director of social media for Trump's presidential campaign in response to Rob Goldstone, who brokered the Trump Tower meeting.
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Gee, do you think this might alter the political calculations much? Not that the major Media outlets are covering much, but that's par for the course:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-sit-down.html
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Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/08/p...&ICID=ref_fark

The first time Donald Trump Jr. tweeted about WikiLeaks? The same day (Sept. 4) the Trump team received the above email offering a decryption key for hacked Wikileaks docs.

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Newsweek, non-credible; The Conservative Treehouse, credible.

Got it.

Meanwhile, back to the subject of the thread: Trump and Russian interference.

Here is what Trump actually told Russian Ambassador Kislyak the day after he fired James Comey and the international ramifications of that stupidity:

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Read this tweet post from journalist Ed Krassenstein detailing Facebook posts from Putin ally Konstantinos Rykov with an open mind and you can draw only one conclusion:

https://mobile.twitter.com/EdKrassen...21422641999873
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Constitutional expert Laurence Tribe says Robert Mueller can put Donald Trump on trial ahead of impeachment:

http://www.palmerreport.com/politics...rt-trial/6237/

In more bad news for Trump: a Czech court has ruled that a Russian hacker can be expedited to the US—and to the waiting arms of Robert Mueller:

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-us-cz.../28874803.html
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Remember those increased Russian sanctions that Congress almost unanimously passed? Trump has yet to put them into effect. And now Tillerson has closed the office at the State Department that is charged with enforcing them:

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/10/26/...ampaign=buffer

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This gentleman does a great job explaining in a couple of paragraphs that everything you just said is BS:

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Candidate Donald Trump, his son Donald Trump Jr. and others in the Trump Organization received an email in September 2016 offering a decryption key and website address for hacked WikiLeaks documents, according to an email provided to congressional investigators:

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2017/12/08/p...&ICID=ref_fark

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One of the very few logical explanations about all this seems to be the Progressives and the Alt-Left's inexplicable rejection of the last election. They don't care if it tears up the Republic so long as they get their way. HRC was as flawed a candidate as could be imagined and she was (IMHO) the candidate of the establishment, miscellaneous aperatcheks, the Belt Way Media, the Entertainment Industry and Academia. Given that the elites know better than the bozos in fly over country, it had to be Russia and fraud. All of her flaws and ineptitude at every job she's ever held didn't matter one whit. The "Swamp" includes all these creatures that have a vested interest in maintaining their power and control over the drones that live and work in the rest of the country.
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One of the very few logical explanations about all this seems to be the Progressives and the Alt-Left's inexplicable rejection of the last election. They don't care if it tears up the Republic so long as they get their way. HRC was as flawed a candidate as could be imagined and she was (IMHO) the candidate of the establishment, miscellaneous aperatcheks, the Belt Way Media, the Entertainment Industry and Academia. Given that the elites know better than the bozos in fly over country, it had to be Russia and fraud. All of her flaws and ineptitude at every job she's ever held didn't matter one whit. The "Swamp" includes all these creatures that have a vested interest in maintaining their power and control over the drones that live and work in the rest of the country.
Bat, that may well be the motivation of the radical left as you suggest. But, I'm not from that group...and I, like just about everyone else, would like to understand the reasons behind the large number of Russian contacts by several members of Trump's inner circle....and the extraordinary lengths they have gone to to conceal them. Is that so complicated?

The contacts were not with China, Spain, Japan, Canada, etc....they were all with Russia, before the election, during the transition, and after Trump took office. Just explain them. Why? That's all, "why"?
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https://hotair.com/archives/2017/12/...g-trump-scoop/
This is getting pretty commonplace. When will they stop the fake news? This rush to go after Trump is making them look crazier than swampy.
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[? This rush to go after Trump is making them look crazier than swampy.
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This is getting pretty commonplace. When will they stop the fake news? This rush to go after Trump is making them look crazier than swampy.
They are offended by being called fake news, and then they ratchet up the fake news to blizzard conditions.
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Dear Mrs Swampy

Do you perhaps have a project around the house that needs done? How long has it been since you have been on an extended vacation uninterrupted by cell phones or computers with Swampy? I am sure you both would love to spend some time with the Grandchildren or some time in Europe now that he has retired.

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UAC, you're a smart guy and I respect your opinion, but the on-going drum beat about the Russians stealing the election was drempt up by the DNC and Podesta to cover up for their disastrous campaign and flawed candidate. IMHO, DJT gave them this "gift" by using a thhow away line that if Vlad and his KGB had HRC's deleted e-mails from her unsecured, illegal home-brew server, he should release them. That was all the Belt Way Media and partisans needed to start to undermind this election.

Meanwhile, it was BHO who attempted to degrade Romney for mentioning in a debate that Russia was a major strategic threat and that the '80s wanted it's foreign policy back. All there is with DJT is innuendo and opposition research, funded by rivals and some meetings that took place , mostly after the election. IMHO, it would be insane not to see what the Russians and the Chinese were thinking before stepping into the Oval Office. You have massive amounts of "dots" to follow with both the Clintons and the BHO Administration with the Chinese and the Russians over 30 years, and everyone is focused on some BS meeting in Trump Tower that the BHO Admin was following. Remember, BHO "knew" about this and told Vlad, in no uncertain terms to "cut it out".
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UAC, some of DJT's inner circle may have had previous dealings with Russian businesses and banks (with or without DJTs knowledge) , but that doesn't make anything illegal or untoward. Who would you go to for advice on Russia except people that had dealings with them? Meanwhile, the Clintons were all over Russia and it's satalite states raising money for their Foundations and their pet causes, while BHO was leading from behind and allowing Vlad to cause all sorts of mischief in the middle East and Eastern Europe. Prior to that, during the WJC Admin, the DNC raised millions from China during his term in Office, all while relaxing the rules on dual use technology trades in goods and services; prior to that the most dangerous place in the world to live was down range from a Chinese missile site...now they'r shooting satellites out of the sky. Yeah, it's all about DJT and the Russians. Where was the Media when all this crap was going on?
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Paul Manafort's Ukrainian ally said Manafort had "absolutely nothing to do with" an op-ed in Kyiv Post defending Manafort. Manafort's tracked changes version of the op-ed, filed in court by Robert Mueller, proves otherwise.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DQjpdIPVwAAHzZo.jpg:large

Meanwhile, Hope Hicks was interviewed by Mueller's team over the last 2 days and they warned her about emails from Russian operatives:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/u...trump-fbi.html

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Do you perhaps have a project around the house that needs done? How long has it been since you have been on an extended vacation uninterrupted by cell phones or computers with Swampy? I am sure you both would love to spend some time with the Grandchildren or some time in Europe now that he has retired.

He does so much to enlighten us we think it would be wonderful if he would share more of himself with his family for a while
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This will make swampy's head explode- the NYT calling out CNN as fake news. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/08/b...-trump-jr.html
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He does so much to enlighten us we think it would be wonderful if he would share more of himself with his family for a while
I'm not retired, Ace.
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I'm not retired, Ace.
My apologies there Swampy. I thought you had posted some while back that you had downsized your home and moved to a condo or something like such and were taking it easy. I must have taken that to mean you had retired.

Here is to hoping if and when you do get to retire it will be a blessed time and you will spend many happy years with your wife and family.
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Laws? What a freakin' joke. How about elections have consequences (to paraphrase one of the Swamps biggest heroes), and it's time to "move on"...but is that only when Democrat Leftists are in power.
Leftists never give up...they simply recirculate the same tired old bromides and charges that are echoed by the major Media outlets day in and day out. The Alt-Left and Progressives have gone to none other than Joseph Goebbels for their blueprint..."Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth".
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Laws? What a freakin' joke. How about elections have consequences (to paraphrase one of the Swamps biggest heroes), and it's time to "move on"...but is that only when Democrat Leftists are in power.
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Yup...because a bunch of old hacks that came into office about the time that the internal combustion engine was invented seem to have a pretty good pulse on the US.

The majority of those in power are useless and ineffective. While watching the news the other day, I just sat there and listened to these old, tired, retreads talk about whatever issue they were talking about....on both sides. Simple regurgitation of nothing. Stale ideas. No passion or effort towards making things better. They all seem to have the answers and they all seem to have everything figured out...yet much of what goes on is ineffective and garbage. This is on both sides.

As you mention...the alt for any category, left or right, believe the information they spew as correct. From left promoting false issues and lies in order to push false narratives, to the right and their misinterpretation of necessary taxation and how government actually operates.

These asshats sit back collecting 174k per year to be ineffective. They also have no reason to be effective as they can camp out for for quite a while. 22 senators with over 15 years in office and 90 members of the house with over 15 years in. Sorry...but I have yet to meet someone who has been in their current leadership position in government for over 20 years that hasn't lost their pep. And the ones that start out full of **** and vinegar..get beat down by the veterans over short periods of time and fall into the same trap of complacency. That is, in essence, the bulk of our federal government leadership.
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Shocka, what you mentioned is why we we really need term limits on all political offices. Too many safe seats, too much hubris, too many Pols chasing special interest money...not enough issue oriented solutions to real problems. We need some real honest discussions of what the problems actually are, what potential solutions can be effective and an open and full hearing of the facts...not selective talking points. It seems all the major issues have devolved into a Debate Team contest...not really trying to solve anything, but trying to score points and win by any means necessary, while keeping the issue alive for the next fund raiser. IMHO, it's quite possible and probable that both the Left and Right have very valid issues that can be accommodated by some common sense compromise, but in this hyper partisan environment, agitated by a rouge Media waving red capes at the bulls of both Parties, we're stuck with what we've got until the Public finally says enough is enough, do your job and get things done.
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Shocka, what you mentioned is why we we really need term limits on all political offices. Too many safe seats, too much hubris, too many Pols chasing special interest money...not enough issue oriented solutions to real problems. We need some real honest discussions of what the problems actually are, what potential solutions can be effective and an open and full hearing of the facts...not selective talking points. It seems all the major issues have devolved into a Debate Team contest...not really trying to solve anything, but trying to score points and win by any means necessary, while keeping the issue alive for the next fund raiser. IMHO, it's quite possible and probable that both the Left and Right have very valid issues that can be accommodated by some common sense compromise, but in this hyper partisan environment, agitated by a rouge Media waving red capes at the bulls of both Parties, we're stuck with what we've got until the Public finally says enough is enough, do your job and get things done.
Bat, I would say that every citizen would be in favor of term limits for Congressman. But you'll not find a Congressman in favor of term limits. And that's the problem.
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I agree with you, foolishpride, but then it will be up to the states to enact this amendment and it will need some grass roots organizing by both liberals (in the traditional sense) and conservatives that want an effective, responsive government. The problem lies in keeping the issue of term limits the main focus and not getting side tracked onto the various other pet projects of each side. I know, a helluva lot easier said than done.
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My apologies there Swampy. I thought you had posted some while back that you had downsized your home and moved to a condo or something like such and were taking it easy. I must have taken that to mean you had retired.

Here is to hoping if and when you do get to retire it will be a blessed time and you will spend many happy years with your wife and family.
With all that said Swampy, do you and your family a good one. Take a sabbatical. Can you imagine what a year traveling Europe would do for you and your wife's relationship? Not that I think you are having problems now mind you

Do it now, while you are young enough to enjoy it. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought I could afford it but I am guessing you have prepared yourself a little better than I did.

We have some friends that just got back from an extended European vacation and they loved it. PM me and I can get their travel agent if you want.

Plus, I am thinking you would fit right in over there. You might just not come back
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Thanks for the advice.

Now take a hike.
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The rapid rise of George Papadopolous:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world...=.804402166911
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/11/cn...sia-bombshell/

The rapid decline of CNN. At what point does the FCC take away their ability to broadcast?? Or rename the network The Onion?
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Hey, Swamp...keep lookin' through that massive pile of manure you and your ex-colleagues at the Baghdad Bob Network have been spreading around...maybe you'll find a "Care Bear" in there, if not an actual pony.
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http://dailycaller.com/2017/12/11/cn...sia-bombshell/

The rapid decline of CNN. At what point does the FCC take away their ability to broadcast?? Or rename the network The Onion?
Seriously, they are worthless. Half of their anti-Trump attacks are fake. The rest are misleading.
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CNN (aka Baghdad Bob Network or BBN) is a cable operator, not an over the air broadcaster, so I don't think they need a "license". However, they should have their credentials challenged if they keep this stuff up, IMHO. Plus once you lose credibility, it's tough to get it back and BNN may have reached the point of no return at this point. SAD.
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Given the nature of the Russia probe and the players involved at DOJ and the FBI, can the legitamacy of this inquiry be salvaged? I really have my doubts. Talk about a tangled web:
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...p-dossier.html
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Who knew what and when during Flynn’s brief time in the White House?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.cf6d6878d4d8

Meanwhile, In the final days before Donald Trump was sworn in as president, members of his inner circle pleaded with him to acknowledge publicly what U.S. intelligence agencies had already concluded — that Russia’s interference in the 2016 election was real. Of course, he did not:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/class...=.46f573c346b2

This in-depth article should scar the living sh*t out of you, regardlless of your political persuasion:

Trump has never convened a Cabinet-level meeting on Russian interference or what to do about it, administration officials said. Although the issue has been discussed at lower levels at the National Security Council, one former high-ranking Trump administration official said there is an unspoken understanding within the NSC that to raise the matter is to acknowledge its validity, which the president would see as an affront.

He sees it as a personal affront rather than a matter of national security.

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