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Old 04-07-2011, 09:22 PM
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Eamonn Brennan, Dana O'Neill Podcast

On the latest ESPN U College Basketball Podcast (4/7), Brennan and O'Neill break down coaching hires in college bball. Here's a current link, but I assume they change things around on the Podcenter page:

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/podcast/

They get to Gregory hire for GT at the 31 minute mark....and it's AWESOME. They start laughing, O'Neill gives it a C-, Brennan a D and comtemplates giving it an F

O'Neill claims Gregory had "buckets of talent at Dayton, but never did anything with it". It's pretty sexy when a woman knows basketball like that. It's a decent podcast if no one has heard of it, though they'll probably stop doing them now the season's over. And they make reference to the "Atlanta Weather: Cloudy with a Chance of NIT" sign at the UD house

I'm so pumped for the Archie era, I feel like I'm going to look back at this and wonder how on earth an ACC School took Gregory off our hands after 2 disappointing seasons
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I think it's pretty telling when 2 people with an objective opinion are echoing exactly what the supposed "BG bashers" have been saying all along.
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Old 04-07-2011, 09:42 PM
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I think it's pretty telling when 2 people with an objective opinion are echoing exactly what the supposed "BG bashers" have been saying all along.
You can find an equal number of objective opinions echoing what the supposed red and blue glasses wearers have been saying - you know what they say about opinions

'Georgia Tech hired really good coach in Brian Gregory. He gets after it, and will do a really good job.'
http://twitter.com/JayBilas/status/52448248287342592

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I'm so pumped for the Archie era, I feel like I'm going to look back at this and wonder how on earth an ACC School took Gregory off our hands after 2 disappointing seasons

Sorry, but I can’t equate an NIT Championship with a disappointing season.
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Thumbs down Talk about 2 people with zero creds---wow

Listening to that podcast I felt like there were two reporters who thought they read something somewhere about BG, but they were having trouble remembering what it was.
Then admitted that the GT firing of Hewitt set GT back on their financial heels. Very shallow understanding of the whole situation---both searching and hoping the other could contribute something.
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Who are those two - never heard of either one of them.
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I totally agree, SDF. It was obvious they had little knowledge about BG or the situation. Based on their lack of knowledge and our history of winning an NCAA tourney game and NIT championship within the last 3 years, I was surprised they gave him grades of D and D minus. They must have read the UD Pride board. I was also turned off by their laughter throughout the report.
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Over the last few years, Dana has written some very favorable articles about UD, she is not just winging it. Not saying I agree or disagree, but she is pretty knowledgable.
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I spend $650/yr on seat licenses plus the cost of the tickets. I wasn't any more pleased with how we played the past two seasons than most other fans were. And there was many a time, I was PO'ed about BG's coaching and tactics and the performance of our team.

But I never questioned how hard BG worked for the team and the school or what a good recruiter he was. I personally think the man gave the job everything he had. And he represented the school as well as any coach we've had the past 50 years. He never took shots at the players or the administration or even the fans. He was a coach with dignity and integrity. And a good family man who cared about his players and the community and his actions reflected that.

As a tactician and a developer of talent, he may have not been the best, but he gave it all he had.

For those reasons, in my book, he deserves a lot more respect and appreciation than a lot of people have been giving him and that lack of respect and appreciation reflects very badly on all of us as UD supporters. There seems to be a lot of ingratitude.

I'm calling for a stop to all the BG bashing from this point on. It feels like kicking a man when he's down to continue to gloat over his departure. There's been a change which we don't even know will be successful or not - it remains to be seen. I sincerely hope it does result in an improvement and I truly hope for BG's sake that he's successful at GT, too. He apparently got what he wanted - a change and a BCS school - and we got what we wanted - a new coach with a successful pedigree.

Let's let it go at that and move on. From now on, let's focus on the Michigan kids and the 2 open scholarships and our new style of play.

Let's show some class, say thanks to BG for trying his best, and move on.
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I spend $650/yr on seat licenses plus the cost of the tickets. I wasn't any more pleased with how we played the past two seasons than most other fans were. And there was many a time, I was PO'ed about BG's coaching and tactics and the performance of our team.

But I never questioned how hard BG worked for the team and the school or what a good recruiter he was. I personally think the man gave the job everything he had. And he represented the school as well as any coach we've had the past 50 years. He never took shots at the players or the administration or even the fans. He was a coach with dignity and integrity. And a good family man who cared about his players and the community and his actions reflected that.

As a tactician and a developer of talent, he may have not been the best, but he gave it all he had.

For those reasons, in my book, he deserves a lot more respect and appreciation than a lot of people have been giving him and that lack of respect and appreciation reflects very badly on all of us as UD supporters. There seems to be a lot of ingratitude.

I'm calling for a stop to all the BG bashing from this point on. It feels like kicking a man when he's down to continue to gloat over his departure. There's been a change which we don't even know will be successful or not - it remains to be seen. I sincerely hope it does result in an improvement and I truly hope for BG's sake that he's successful at GT, too. He apparently got what he wanted - a change and a BCS school - and we got what we wanted - a new coach with a successful pedigree.

Let's let it go at that and move on. From now on, let's focus on the Michigan kids and the 2 open scholarships and our new style of play.

Let's show some class, say thanks to BG for trying his best, and move on.
I have one disagreement, BG is not "down" he got a raise and is coaching in the ACC! At one of the top schools in the country! In one of the best cities in the country! Boy the anti-BG'ers really showed him!
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The truth on Dana O'Neill

Here's a link to some of Dana O'Neill's recent work regarding UD. She is a huge supporter of mid-major hoops and has written many positive article on UD in recent times. I'm pretty sure she is a qualified observer of college basketball, and that she would have been one of your favorites had you read one of these two pieces rather than listen to the podcast.

http://search.espn.go.com/dana-o-neil-dayton/
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A BG basher and a BG critic are two completely different people.
Well, in the truest form you're absolutely correct but you'd never know it from the board. Many times after a legitimate "critique", there's the proverbial "well, if you know so much then why aren't you coaching..blah blah .."
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Here's a link to some of Dana O'Neill's recent work regarding UD. She is a huge supporter of mid-major hoops and has written many positive article on UD in recent times. I'm pretty sure she is a qualified observer of college basketball, and that she would have been one of your favorites had you read one of these two pieces rather than listen to the podcast.

http://search.espn.go.com/dana-o-neil-dayton/
All that showed me was that anyone can have a bad day. Her impromptu analysis of BG/GT sucked IMO.
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A BG basher and a BG critic are two completely different people.
Unfortunately there are a ton of posters (on all sides) who refuse to acknowledge this.
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UDan71 -- thanks for the post. And I'm specifically referring to your para's 2, 3 and 4. The bashing, er, criticism, will never end for some....it'll just shift to Archie, Willie and the pep band, or video boards.

Which is why, despite all the thanks you've received on your post, you won't be getting any from a few who's handles come to the top of my balding head.
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BG was an odd hire for GT IMO and I'll leave it at that. However, he certainly was a first class representative of UD while he was here.
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big jordan provides an interesting link; it belongs here.
big jordan provides a commentary; it belongs here too.

"...and it's AWESOME. They started laughing...contemplates giving it an F"

Basher or critique I don't care; words speak enough meaning that these are a reflection of this poster and his viewpoint.

About the viewpoint: I won't be surprised if BG gets better assistants, has
gained knowledge, and significantly improves the GT program.

About the poster's posture: Simple, it's CLASSLESS.
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UDan71 - That may have been the best post of the year. I wasn't sure what to expect when I opened this thread, but did not like the OP's approach to this. You said all I could think to say and more.

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Sorry, but I can’t equate an NIT Championship with a disappointing season.
I actually agree. When a team is a preseason top 25 pick and voted the favorite to win its conference, going 8-8 in conference and winning the consolation bracket is actually a very disappointing season.
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I figured we would get the better part of a year with everyone somewhat moving forward TOGETHER here on this board. Instead, it is hari kari here for seemingly no reason.

I'm hoping Dayton Flyer optimism prevails in the fall. If most of us act like we are focusing on the same basic goals, maybe it will become a habit.

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Sorry, but I can’t equate an NIT Championship with a disappointing season.
Maybe. It did take some of the sting out of a drastically underachieving season with one of the most hyped-up pre-season UD had in a long, long time. Those who use the term disappointing can certinaly make a solid case.
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Maybe. It did take some of the sting out of a drastically underachieving season with one of the most hyped-up pre-season UD had in a long, long time. Those who use the term disappointing can certinaly make a solid case.
I felt better right after it happend. After watching the VCU run to the Final Four I was left thinking....
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The bashing, er, criticism, will never end for some....it'll just shift to Archie, Willie and the pep band, or video boards.
I disagree with this. The bashing will end if AM does well. There will be very little bashing if AM does well. Just wait and see.

Now, if AM does well, the postmortem bashing of BG may only intensify as AM's success would justify the past and future criticism of BG. You're right about that in regards to the bashing.
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I disagree with this. The bashing will end if AM does well.
seems to me it depends on what "does well" means and what kind of a grace period he gets. If the team struggles next year my guess is that will be plenty of complaining.
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seems to me it depends on what "does well" means and what kind of a grace period he gets. If the team struggles next year my guess is that will be plenty of complaining.
While I have criticized BG in the past, Coach Miller's situation is very different. BG inherited a talented, veteran laden team and subsequently did well. Coach Miller inherits a team that is losing its best player (Wright), another key contributor (Searcy), the team's two most talented returning sophomores, and may lose the two incoming freshman. While I will be disappointed if the team does poorly, I am not harshly judging Coach Miller's year 1 (or even year 2) results. It is unrealistic to believe next year's team will even equal the "success" of the 2010-2011 team. As I said in another thread, UD could go under .500 next year and I will not complain.
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[QUOTE=Sea Bass "....If the team struggles..will be plenty of complaining."

Who will there be to complain????

The 'BG critics' will swallow the whistle out of pride (embarrassment) (if not patience)

The 'non-critics' will be obliged to...well, not be negative (else be the kind of persons they criticized in the first place)

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"....If the team struggles..will be plenty of complaining."

Who will there be to complain????

The 'BG critics' will swallow the whistle out of pride (embarrassment) (if not patience)

The 'non-critics' will be obliged to...well, not be negative (else be the kind of persons they criticized in the first place)
you know there are people who bashed BG because they felt he put a poor bball product out there and not because they disliked him. and whether or not a new coach is able to succeed here has no correlation to whether BG was a good or bad coach.

If we continue to under-preform like we have been, I guarantee people will be upset.
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All that showed me was that anyone can have a bad day. Her impromptu analysis of BG/GT sucked IMO.
listened to that podcast after seeing this thread. she knew what she was talking about imo, "buckets of talent" isnt that exactly what people on this board praised BG for? his recruiting was top notch, but couldnt coach them up? shes not wrong there. the thing you left out was she mentioned in that same podcast, she likes BG, but it seemed to her GT went to the right conference, the A-10, but got the wrong coach, ie: should have went after a mack or mooney. though she mentioned hewitts buyout tied their hands because they couldnt spend money, which mack/mooney would want.

didnt seem very uninformed to me...
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and whether or not a new coach is able to succeed here has no correlation to whether BG was a good or bad coach.
No, they are correlated, unless the circumstances of the UD program change drastically under AM's watch. Fair or not, coaches are always going to be compared to each other. There were constant comparisons between OP and BG in the past. Those comparisons will continue, except that now AM will be part of the conversation too. AM will be playing with BG's guys his first three or four years. There is definitely a correlation.

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[QUOTE=NaptownFlyer4; "you know there are people who bashed BG because they felt he put a poor bball product out there..."

Not insulting you, but do you just post and not read posts?

Do I know there are people who bashed BG because they felt
he put a poor bball product out there?

Hmm, I'll have to think hard on that one.
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I disagree with this. The bashing will end if AM does well. There will be very little bashing if AM does well. Just wait and see.

Now, if AM does well, the postmortem bashing of BG may only intensify as AM's success would justify the past and future criticism of BG. You're right about that in regards to the bashing.
What is the purpose of postmortem bashing of BG? Justifying the past and future critcism of BG? Give me a friggin break people....MOVE ON!! BG has.

I don't follow everyone's posting history so I don't know if you were an outspoken critic of BG or not so you may just be stating what you believe will happen. In either case, let it go.
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While I have criticized BG in the past, Coach Miller's situation is very different. BG inherited a talented, veteran laden team and subsequently did well. Coach Miller inherits a team that is losing its best player (Wright), another key contributor (Searcy), the team's two most talented returning sophomores, and may lose the two incoming freshman. While I will be disappointed if the team does poorly, I am not harshly judging Coach Miller's year 1 (or even year 2) results. It is unrealistic to believe next year's team will even equal the "success" of the 2010-2011 team. As I said in another thread, UD could go under .500 next year and I will not complain.
Really? I think the cupboard was much more bare when BG arrived than AM. Yes, BG had a talented senior class but that was it. The cupboard was completely empty after that. AM has talent in the Sr class (Johnson, Williams, Parker, Fab), Jr class (Dillard, Benson), Soph class (Oliver), and two VERY promising recruits.

Take the senior classes out of the equation and outline for me how you think OP's crumbs are better than BG's returnees.
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All that showed me was that anyone can have a bad day. Her impromptu analysis of BG/GT sucked IMO.
I tend to agree. As good she usually is, there was not much substance in anything they said. Sounded like they wanted to talk about something but had no idea where or how to start the conversation.
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Really? I think the cupboard was much more bare when BG arrived than AM. Yes, BG had a talented senior class but that was it. The cupboard was completely empty after that. AM has talent in the Sr class (Johnson, Williams, Parker, Fab), Jr class (Dillard, Benson), Soph class (Oliver), and two VERY promising recruits.

Take the senior classes out of the equation and outline for me how you think OP's crumbs are better than BG's returnees.
You can't just "take out the senior classes." Keith, Sean, and Ramod were better players than anyone on next year's team except possibly Chris Johnson. These players made it easier for BG to initially succeed than Miller.

As to the Junior class, Dillard is a complete unknown. As to the Sophomore class, Oliver played 305 minutes (9.5 per game), I don't know what to expect from him either. Finally, you can not count on the freshman being here until they come out and announce they are staying.

The bottom line is, if the 2 incoming freshman end up somewhere else, Coach Miller has no sophomores or freshman except Oliver from which to build a team. That would make Miller's situation much worse than the one BG inherited.

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All that showed me was that anyone can have a bad day. Her impromptu analysis of BG/GT sucked IMO.
I should have started the sentence like Dana O'Neill starts her commentary, "I really love Dana O'Neill but....all that showed me was that anyone can have a bad day. Her impromptu analysis of BG/GT sucked IMO."

There, that makes it sooo much better.
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What is the purpose of postmortem bashing of BG? Justifying the past and future critcism of BG? Give me a friggin break people....MOVE ON!! BG has.

I don't follow everyone's posting history so I don't know if you were an outspoken critic of BG or not so you may just be stating what you believe will happen. In either case, let it go.
Oh ok, so I'm just supposed to sit here and give BG a free pass? All of the BG lovers are going to be able to get off scot free without having to make any admission whatsoever about how wrong they were about BG? That doesn't seem fair to me at all. I absolutely think there should be some sort of judgment made about who was right, and who was wrong. And, on the other hand, if AM ends up being terrible, and BG looks good in comparison, then I won't have any problem admitting I was wrong about BG being a bad coach.

Yes, I was a critic of BG at times. I'm not sure where I fall in terms of comparison to other posters in terms of the intensity of my criticism. But, I did give BG credit when credit was due.

Yes, BG is in the past, but I don't think there is anything wrong with making a historical judgment about how good or bad he was. This happens in other parts of life all the time, people are always looking at the legacy of a person. And we won't be able to make an accurate historical judgment of BG for at least a couple of years.

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This happens in other parts of life all the time, people are always looking at the legacy of a person. And we won't be able to make an accurate historical judgment of BG for at least a couple of years.
There probably won't be an accurate historical judgment - there are some here who are convinced that OP left the program in outstanding shape with a stable full of studs for BG while others argue beyond the senior class, it was a house of cards ready to collapse; so it's still all open to interpretation
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Oh ok, so I'm just supposed to sit here and give BG a free pass? All of the BG lovers are going to be able to get off scot free without having to make any admission whatsoever about how wrong they were about BG? That doesn't seem fair to me at all. I absolutely think there should be some sort of judgment made about who was right, and who was wrong. . .
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There probably won't be an accurate historical judgment - there are some here who are convinced that OP left the program in outstanding shape with a stable full of studs for BG while others argue beyond the senior class, it was a house of cards ready to collapse; so it's still all open to interpretation
I know BG had Finn, W, and Ramod as seniors, but people always fail to mention that Brooks Hall, Nate Green, and D.J. Stelly were gone, leaving no depth. I fail to see how anyone could say that things were in great shape with Cripe, Spears, Williams, Bennett, Jones, and White. (Scott did come in that year as a freshman.) The 02-03 team had much better personnel than the 03-04 team.
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There are a percentage of Flyer fans that are praying madly for BG to fail at GT. They hitched their wagon to the "BG sucks" train and need reinforcement. Therefore, any slight criticism of him related to Georgia Tech will be parroted here incessantly.

I'm inclined to reserve judgment until I see a larger body of work.

I think BG's program here suffered some bad luck.

I think BG's program also suffered some poor judgment on BG's part.

And you know what? None of it matters a lick to me. I like BG and I hope he succeeds, but I really don't care anymore. He ceased being on my radar about two weeks ago. I'm a UD fan first, last, and only. I don't want or need to be right. All I care is that UD wins and that means Archie Miller is my favorite coach.
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There are a percentage of Flyer fans that are praying madly for BG to fail at GT. They hitched their wagon to the "BG sucks" train and need reinforcement. Therefore, any slight criticism of him related to Georgia Tech will be parroted here incessantly.
I think that there might be a few posters that feel this way, but I believe (and hope) it is far smaller than some are making it out to be. I was critical of BG the past year or two after being pretty firmly in his corner. That said, he should be judged on what he did at UD, regardless of what happens elsewhere. I think he's a good guy and hope he succeeds, but I'm not sure he's walking into the best situation. But generally, I couldn't care less about what happens at GT unless they are playing UD or on the bubble with us.

Now maybe UDEE has reason to care about what happens to BG from here out, but not me.
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You mean that rambling wreck UDEE79?

big jordan, you got slammed fairly hard. On another day I could have mirrored some of what you said. I actually enjoyed your post, for what that is worth.

All is fair in love and war and message boards. Still, I'll provide 'sensitivity' training for a small fee.

Many get caught up in this when the only thing that REALLY matters is Dayton making some good runs in the NCAA, and perhaps being the first non-BCS to win the NCAA in the era. The hell with world peace, that can wait until I'm extinct.

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There are a percentage of Flyer fans that are praying madly for BG to fail at GT. They hitched their wagon to the "BG sucks" train and need reinforcement. Therefore, any slight criticism of him related to Georgia Tech will be parroted here incessantly.

I'm inclined to reserve judgment until I see a larger body of work.

I think BG's program here suffered some bad luck.

I think BG's program also suffered some poor judgment on BG's part.

And you know what? None of it matters a lick to me. I like BG and I hope he succeeds, but I really don't care anymore. He ceased being on my radar about two weeks ago. I'm a UD fan first, last, and only. I don't want or need to be right. All I care is that UD wins and that means Archie Miller is my favorite coach.
I am cheering for BG at GT. I just don't like this notion that some people just want to sweep the BG years under the carpet and forget the past 8 years without ever eventually acknowledging the fact that the BG critics most likely(IMO)were correct about BG not being that great of a coach. That to me seems to be letting the BG defenders off the hook way too easily. A lot of these posters say that we should just let it go and not talk about BG anymore, whereas I say it's ok to compare BG to AM, as a means of evaluating BG's legacy. BG was supposed to elevate this program, and I think he did not accomplish that objective.

This is the same type of thing that happened when the rumors about BG to GT started flying. All those people that dismissed the rumors now have egg on their face. Yet, you don't see those people stepping up and admitting that they were wrong about the veracity of the rumors.

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I am cheering for BG at GT. I just don't like this notion that some people just want to sweep the BG years under the carpet and forget the past 8 years without ever eventually acknowledging the fact that the BG critics most likely(IMO)were correct about BG not being that great of a coach. That to me seems to be letting the BG defenders off the hook way too easily. A lot of these posters say that we should just let it go and not talk about BG anymore, whereas I say it's ok to compare BG to AM, as a means of evaluating BG's legacy. BG was supposed to elevate this program, and I think he did not accomplish that objective.

This is the same type of thing that happened when the rumors about BG to GT started flying. All those people that dismissed the rumors now have egg on their face. Yet, you don't see those people stepping up and admitting that they were wrong about the rumors being true.
And this where you'll find conflicting opinions - to me he did elevate the program by making UD relevant in the post season again. He could have done more but it was nearly two decades since UD won a NCAA game and in the same time frame if we even made the NIT we were losing at home to teams like Tenn Tech - so in 10 years we went from just being happy to get a post season bid to a point where some fans make fun of a NIT championship, so there must have been some improvement for expectations to change that much

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What is this "letting the BG defenders off the hook" crap? What is that even supposed to mean? I don't understand the reasoning/thought process of some people.

Even the most ardent BG "defenders" (I suppose you'd put me in that camp) acknowledge that BG had plenty of weaknesses. But somehow, a couple underachieving seasons followed by the coach leaving is supposed to validate those who disliked and bashed BG? Sorry, not buying it. As ChrisR put it, a BG critic and a BG basher are not the same people.

I submit that if Kwamain Mitchell's prayer had not banked in 2 years ago, we'd have made the NCAA instead of the NIT. Would that one shot have made BG a better coach? No, of course not. Would it have fixed his flaws (rigid adherence to substitution patterns, inflexible offense, lack of creativity on defense)? Of course not. But it sure would have helped his cause, at least in the eyes of many.

Who are these people that are "let off the hook?" That's a bogus claim. Nobody anywhere, said that BG was without faults, or above criticism. Nobody. You can certainly disagree on whether or not BG "elevated the program." I think he did - we won an NCAA game, won the NIT, had plenty of good wins while he was here, got a lot of national recognition/publicity, and *might* get one of his players drafted this year. Certainly, we underachieved in A-10 play the last two years (and I am not interested in debating whether we "should" have won more after Wright's ankle fracture - I think that A-10 season should not enter into a discussion on BG's coaching due to the injuries - that's been picked apart enough elsewhere).

So despite a modestly successful 22-14 season, somehow those of us who think BG is a great guy, a good coach, an outstanding representative of the university, and one of the hardest workers in his profession are "let off the hook" because some people don't think it's valid to compare coaches in a vacuum? Whatever.

OP was great for our program. He brought us out of the ashes, and the 4 seed year was by far the best year the program has had in 20 years. But we flamed out in the tournament, and it ended rather bitterly. Chris Freaking Spears was our entire recruiting class one year. BG has left us with several good players, probably two more coming in, and we got rid of the two cancers on the team. Despite their talents, IMO Staten and Spearman had to go, and it doesn't matter who the coach is/was/will be. If you're that selfish, you can't function well on a team. Period.

So do I think BG was the greatest thing since sliced bread? No. Was he perfect? No. Should we have won more games during his tenure? Yes, I think so. Do I think BG had buckets of talent and never did anything with it? Heck no! That statement simply isn't fair.

So enough with this garbage of "calling out" the BG defenders or people who didn't think he'd end up at G Tech. What is that supposed to accomplish?

I'm looking forward to seeing our Archie Miller-coached Flyers kick some ass. That will neither validate nor 'refudiate' BG's coaching tenure here, just like BG's tenure did not validate OP's.
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Last 8 years not what everyone wanted, including Brian Gregory, but:

Won Maui.
Won first NCAA game since glaciers rolled.
Won the NIT.
Beat X for the first time away from the Arena since glaciers MELTED.
Beat X in the A10 Tournament--ever??
13-5 against BCS programs.

Did all the feel good stuff away from the program better than anyone
not from the Dayton area possibly could be expected to do.

We did not tar and feather him and run him out of town.

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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Last 8 years not what everyone wanted, including Brian Gregory, but:

Won Maui.
Won first NCAA game since glaciers rolled.
Won the NIT.
Beat X for the first time away from the Arena since glaciers MELTED.
Beat X in the A10 Tournament--ever??
13-5 against BCS programs.
I'll give you the X win and the NCAA win, but come on. He beat Central Michigan, Hawaii and San Diego State in Maui (not exactly a gaunlet) and I'm not sure where you got your record against BCS team but by my count he was 14-15. Also, put me in the camp that will not list the NIT as a crowning achievement. That team was preseason top 25.
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I'll give you the X win and the NCAA win, but come on. He beat Central Michigan, Hawaii and San Diego State in Maui (not exactly a gaunlet) and I'm not sure where you got your record against BCS team but by my count he was 14-15. Also, put me in the camp that will not list the NIT as a crowning achievement. That team was preseason top 25.
Not sure how you get 14-15 against BCS conference teams. My count puts it at 14-11. You may be counting some losses to UC and DePaul before they were in the Big East. I think what most people look at is the 12-5 record the past four years. He also won at UC twice in a row.
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I'll give you the X win and the NCAA win, but come on. He beat Central Michigan, Hawaii and San Diego State in Maui (not exactly a gaunlet) and I'm not sure where you got your record against BCS team but by my count he was 14-15. Also, put me in the camp that will not list the NIT as a crowning achievement. That team was preseason top 25.
13-5 was the Big East record one of the DDN articles quoted. As far as Maui, you don't get to pick the year and opponents. The year we beat Villanova and Maryland in the MIT we played well enough to win it, but did not. San Diego State is 3rd in the nation this year in RPI. You pay your money and take your chances. You think UConn gets any less recognition because the "only" bludgeoned Butler.

Did you miss the part where I said the last 8 years was not what everyone wanted? And yes, I do put you in the camp that will be eternally ungreatful.
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Its very cool and respectable some are providing backup for Gregory. I'm more concerned about recruits and the future, and chillin the next few weeks.

Maybe even grab some coladas and beers when I can. Its offseason. Isn't this the quiet no post period for ud priders? LOL
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but come on. He beat Central Michigan, Hawaii and San Diego State in Maui (not exactly a gaunlet)[/QUOTE]

2 of the 3 opponents made the NCAA tournament that season and Ohio State & Villanova lost games in Maui (unlike UD) which is why we didn't play any 'BCS' schools
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2 of the 3 opponents made the NCAA tournament that season and Ohio State & Villanova lost games in Maui (unlike UD) which is why we didn't play any 'BCS' schools
Actually, none of them made the NCAA tournament that year. Two of three had losing records, and the other one made the NIT. We were the only team to make the NCAA tournament that year from the entire field.
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Actually, none of them made the NCAA tournament that year. Two of three had losing records, and the other one made the NIT. We were the only team to make the NCAA tournament that year from the entire field.
You are correct - I looked at the wrong bracket and therefore now agree - the Maui Banner shouldn't count for much; but while we're at it, lets admit while revisiting OP's legacy he doesn't deserve credit for an A10 as we won the conference on our home court and didn't have to play the best team (xavier)
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