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The Atlantic Ten is a hodgepodge of different types of institutions, but ultimately I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that it is a hodgepodge of different athletic philosophies.
Institutionally, La Salle and Fordham are very similar to Xavier and Dayton. Athletically, there are a few planets in between.
Air Force could not possibly be more different as an institution than Colorado State, San Diego State and UNLV. When it comes to athletics, though, it works. Same with Wake and NC State. Same with Creighton and Wichita State. Same with Liberty (who institutionally is not similar in any way to any place else) and UNC Asheville. Institutions that couldn't possibly be more different can still be similar when it comes to athletics, and it works.
I just can't think of a reason that VCU would be considered a detriment. Not one. It seems ludicrous to think that they would be.
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This may have already been posted. There is some speculation that Cincinnati and Connecticut could be joining the new C7 conference in all sports but football.
I don't know how realistic the chances of this actually happening are. If those 2 schools were added to the C7 conference, then that would certainly hurt UD's chances of getting picked.
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St. Joe's isn't even being considered because of sharing Philly w/ Nova even though they have more tournament bids than any other potential candidate by far.
Knowing that, I don't see ANY chance of this new conference taking Cincinnati, Xavier, and Dayton.
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Well, it looks like "ajerseyguy" has now touched on every conceivable outcome. As someone Posted earlier in this Thread, nobody knows, but everyone has a theory and one of them is bound to be right. I'm a little surprised he didn't include UD in any of his scenarios, but IMHO, it's unlikely that Cinci and X could co-exist in harmony (so I'm kinda with Hawkooo on this.) BTW, that's the first I've heard of a "rivalry" between Providence and UConn.
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This may have already been posted. There is some speculation that Cincinnati and Connecticut could be joining the new C7 conference in all sports but football.
I don't know how realistic the chances of this actually happening are. If those 2 schools were added to the C7 conference, then that would certainly hurt UD's chances of getting picked.
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It wont happen, why let someone in who would bolt to the Big 12 or ACC for football. No way
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo
St. Joe's isn't even being considered because of sharing Philly w/ Nova even though they have more tournament bids than any other potential candidate by far.
Knowing that, I don't see ANY chance of this new conference taking Cincinnati, Xavier, and Dayton.
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What's left of the Big East is by no means elite. Perhaps it's not even "major." It's still a lot better than God-Awful, though.
Cincinnati, UConn and Memphis are solid basketball programs. None of them a re strangers to the rankings. If you have three teams that are consistently in the rankings, you're doing a lot better than most. South Florida and UCF aren't bad either. UCF can't be in the tournament this year because of sanctions (similar to UConn), but they probably would have been if they were allowed to be. South Florida just opened a new arena, and have built themselves up to where they are consistently a fringe tournament team.
The football is crap, but where is anyone going to go that's any better?? UCF, Houston, Cincinnati and UConn are at least semi-decent. It's not as good as the other major conferences, but it's probably better than the MAC, SBC and what's left of the WAC. I think their best bet is to try and make what they have work. It's not too far fetched to think that it could work, at least to the level that it's better than any other existing option.
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The Big East has always been a hodgepodge of public/private.
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...and looked what happened to the Big East. It blew up. Epic debacle.
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Football is changing the landscape. Not institutional fit. The public/private mix always has worked.
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It's worked because it's been forced to work, not because it makes sense or is desirable. Indeed, football is driving this nonsensical madness. But why let football dictate everything?
Catholic basketball-centric league.* Take control of your own destiny. Sensible. Stable. Institutionally sound and consistent. Back to the roots. Stand out from the crowd. Inevitable. Make it happen.
* I'll admit I'm a softie for Butler, so I'll personally overlook any institutional differences. You know, Hoosiers, Hinkle Fieldhouse, state of Indiana basketball tradition, etc.
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Originally Posted by xubrew
The Atlantic Ten is a hodgepodge of different types of institutions, but ultimately I don't think that's the problem. I think the problem is that it is a hodgepodge of different athletic philosophies.
Institutionally, La Salle and Fordham are very similar to Xavier and Dayton. Athletically, there are a few planets in between.
Air Force could not possibly be more different as an institution than Colorado State, San Diego State and UNLV. When it comes to athletics, though, it works. Same with Wake and NC State. Same with Creighton and Wichita State. Same with Liberty (who institutionally is not similar in any way to any place else) and UNC Asheville. Institutions that couldn't possibly be more different can still be similar when it comes to athletics, and it works.
I just can't think of a reason that VCU would be considered a detriment. Not one. It seems ludicrous to think that they would be.
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Good points, but the Catholic-basketball conference would be similar both institutionally and in athletic philosophy. Two for the price of one...
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10
The 5 are Dayton,X,Butler,VCU and St Louis joining the league
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How is it that several posters know exactly what is going to happen yet the mainstream media is seemingly in the dark?
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Whoever the new members are, don't be surprised if Marquette finds a way to be in the same division as G-town and Nova, despite the obvious geography being grouped with the midwest schools.
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main stream media/several posters
Reality is that several in the main stream media-----do have it right----but so many are reporting about "it" that it's more than muddled on the whole!
How long do you guys think this has been in the works? Since December---October---August----June---December 2011??
Many "problems" with some of the "mainstream" media opinions and other stuff being reported is that most of those reporting have clear "favorites" of there own, are reporting what they are from there "sources" both inside and out side of a number of programs interested in joining a new conference, OR might just be looking to sell newspapers, etc.
There was a report this weekend that the Creighton AD confirmed that he hadn't been approached---fact or fiction (based upon what someone posted above?)--you make the choice! Some folks blew right past that....we'll see...
Reality is that some folks are friends with people at UD that they speak to regularly about these types of things and many others. There NOT relationships that were made over night--and trust is an essential element---fact NOT fiction.
I think some folks on this forum and several others have those kinds of contacts and have been told things that lead them to believe that UD is going to be invited or has been invited to join---pending some final work to make it all happen!
We'll knnow in time, but lots of reasons why the Flyers are a firm fit in this potential new league---despite all the experts and prognosticators who think that the loss to VCU mattered at this point?
It's never DONE until the ink is dry----and things always can change right---we'll see how it all shakes out. Go Flyers
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...and looked what happened to the Big East. It blew up. Epic debacle.
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the blow up of the Big East had nothing to with the private/public mix. Heck, one of the private Catholics started the whole mess by noting to the ACC. If this was about private/public then BC would have stuck with the C7.
The tensions in the Big East are driven almost entirely by football. Prior to this everyone who left did so for football. And the C7 are leaving now because of who is coming in for football. And the lack if a payday to stick with the remaining football schools.
As to why football is driving - like everything else in college sports it us $.
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It seems likely that the new league was in the development stage for months, if not years, before the press started reporting on it.
It seems likely that the new league could not be negotiating a TV contract without having a solid, defined product to offer.
It also seems likely that the participants will remain silent until all the "i's" are dotted and the "t's" crossed and a Commissioner and a name are secured or decided upon.
It also seems likely that many of us will go insane before any definitive announcement is made regarding membership in the new conference.
Aaaaaggghhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!
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the blow up of the Big East had nothing to with the private/public mix.
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True, it had to with a combination of factors -- including football-centric vs. basketball-centric schools -- but none of which would really afflict the C10 (or 12).
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If he has one (and he might, I agree with the post above that some here do have inside knowledge), he isn't going to cite it. That would be the end of that info.
And it could be someone pretending to have inside info they don't possess.
The days of everything being sourced are over. It's the way of the world today, love it or hate it. But it just is.
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
True, it had to with a combination of factors -- including football-centric vs. basketball-centric schools -- but none of which would really afflict the C10 (or 12).
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it isn't even football centric or basketball centric. Louisville isn't football centric. Neither is Syracuse. And in the remaining Big East, UConn, Cincinnati and Memphis are not football centric. Those are all first and foremost basketball schools. They play BCS football, but they are basketball schools. There is just too much money in football.
The public/private mix works fine in the ACC. Duke, Wake, Miami, Notre Dame and BC get along just fine with UNC, Florida State, Virginia and NC State because they have similar athletic programs. If they split it will be for $, not a public/private issue.
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There have been very reliable sources state what teams will be included...those posted seem to be very much in line with those.
UD hasn't been sitting on certain things because they are unsure about future finances and investment into facilities without a "plan".
UD hasn't been "working tirelessly" because they are just trying to get their foot in the door.
TV deals and negotiations behind closed doors remain behind closed doors because they aren't subject to public record or media. However, they won't have a problem discussing it with someone who isn't holding a camera, mic, or tape recorder....that may just chat with a supporter of the program.
There is a ton going on right now. A TV deal won't be in place without teams. Teams and commitments from them would come before any multimillion dollar.
We will most likely see a dog and pony show with the teams, and/or divisions, media rights and details of contracts, to come out all at once. I would bet some of the details are pretty much set pending closing of other deals....
As Doug said...many aren't going to source their information out of respect....when someone in the media says, "speaking on a condition of anonymity"...there is a reason for it...posters do the same.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
If he has one (and he might, I agree with the post above that some here do have inside knowledge), he isn't going to cite it. That would be the end of that info.
And it could be someone pretending to have inside info they don't possess.
The days of everything being sourced are over. It's the way of the world today, love it or hate it. But it just is.
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I wasn't expecting an answer. I just thought I would ask. But, I have posted a couple of things over the years that I got from a source "close to the program." Of course, I would never reveal a name, and I didn't expect him to, but he could give us a hint of where he got the info without revealing a specific source.
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did someone call in a dirty sanchez sighting to the proper authority? Or maybe it is Dustin Daamond impersonating dirty.
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SLU over Creighton would be a baffling choice. Hell, even SLU over Wichita State doesn't make much sense. At least with WSU you would get another public school to pair with VCU. Maybe the C7 doesn't feel as comfortable raiding the MVC as they do the A10?
I know the Lou is a better market than both Omaha and Wichita, but other than that SLU is a real head-scratcher with both Creighton and WSU ready and willing to come on board.
If this new conference is really about being the "best of the best" in the basketball world, I think SLU over the two MVC powers is a really questionable move.
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Saint Louis is easier to get to than Omaha or Wichita. I also think the Saint Louis market is playing a role. It shouldn't, but it will.
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The wild conjecture still flourishes on other fan boards. You'd think UD was trashed as a member a long time ago, and now the idea of adding Gonzaga and St. Mary's is, as they say, trending.
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Forget whether we are in this new league, whether we are liked in this new league, and whether we sold our souls to the devil to be in this new league.
Can we COMPETE in this new league? I think that remains highly in doubt. At least to the competitive level that we all desire. Finishing in the bottom half of that league every year will not be considered acceptable. But is finishing in the top half of the league considerable probable? I see the Top-6 in the new C12 no better or worse than the Top-6 in the current A10. And we practically need Moses to come down and part the sea for us to finish in the top-6 of the A10 in the last decade. The historical body of work suggests we would struggle in this league as well on a mens basketball front.
In other sports -- I see some benefits. VBall would still be a favorite. Womens soccer would step it up and do fine. Mens soccer could probably make a step up. Womens hoops? No doubt. But all of these programs is not like the other -- they earn hardware and postseason bids.
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I think we will be able to compete in the new league. Finish in the top 4 consistently, probably not, but I think we will have a better chance of attracting the talent we desire to move up, and a top 6 finish probably gets a bid come march in this new league.
I am not sure why folks have gotten so sour so quickly about the direction we are headed. AM has 1.5 years under his belt. Grabbing a new coach with an "almost" team is almost always going to be a set back and take a few years to rebuild I would suspect. I looked at this year as a rebuilding year. We have done better than expected at times, and worse. We are inconsistent and for the most part young with an obvious changing in the guard between coaches.
Moving into a new league while potentially expanding our midwest rivalaries (Chicago and Milwaukee) and maintaining an east coast presence during conference play, and having a several more name brand colleges come to the arena every year... I can't figure out what is not to like about the potential of joining this new conference.
I wish the A10 would stay as it is for a few more years, but it is going to get picked. I don't want to miss the ship. If we do, the sentiment will change to fire the AD.
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Can we COMPETE in this new league? I think that remains highly in doubt. At least to the competitive level that we all desire.
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Swim in the middle of the A10 for spare change, or swim in the middle of the C7 for lottery money?
I won't say that association guarantees the best players and results, but I think it helps us more than it helps those that have already been on that level. We can invest more into certain things that people want to get there. (coach, staff, etc...) Much easier on UD to invest BCS type salaries to coaches than it is now.
As a fan it will add more excitement. But who knows what the end results will be. Noting guarantees we are the best every year in a revised A10 either.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
it isn't even football centric or basketball centric.
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Okay, how about we word it basketball-centric schools vs. schools that play BCS football?
Any way you want to parse it, the conference was a hodgepodge of institutional oddballs just waiting to explode. Their differences ultimately could not be reconciled.
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The public/private mix works fine in the ACC. Duke, Wake, Miami, Notre Dame and BC get along just fine with UNC, Florida State, Virginia and NC State because they have similar athletic programs. If they split it will be for $, not a public/private issue.
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What do you mean by "works"? Sure, they'll make money and play in a good conference for awhile, but should Notre Dame really be in the ACC? I tend to agree with XUBrew that in ten or fifteen years, people will look back and wonder how we all thought this football-driven hodgepodge nonsense would be a good idea.
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VCU over Creighton? I'm so confused...
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Originally Posted by Chris R
Forget whether we are in this new league, whether we are liked in this new league, and whether we sold our souls to the devil to be in this new league.
Can we COMPETE in this new league? I think that remains highly in doubt. At least to the competitive level that we all desire. Finishing in the bottom half of that league every year will not be considered acceptable. But is finishing in the top half of the league considerable probable? I see the Top-6 in the new C12 no better or worse than the Top-6 in the current A10. And we practically need Moses to come down and part the sea for us to finish in the top-6 of the A10 in the last decade. The historical body of work suggests we would struggle in this league as well on a mens basketball front.
In other sports -- I see some benefits. VBall would still be a favorite. Womens soccer would step it up and do fine. Mens soccer could probably make a step up. Womens hoops? No doubt. But all of these programs is not like the other -- they earn hardware and postseason bids.
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You may only be looking at our conference record the past decade. Maybe if you look at our record against the BCS schools or just the Big East schools, things may look a little better.???
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Creighton is a good school and Catholic. But..............it is way, way West of St. Louis. The Eastern schools are not likely to want to send their olympic sports teams hundreds of miles West of the Mississippi. That would be costly and time-consuming.
VCU isn't private or Catholic, but......it does not have football ambitions, it has a decent sized TV market, and it seems willing to invest in its existing athletic program. And geographically it fits in nicely with the other C7-12 schools.
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You may only be looking at our conference record the past decade. Maybe if you look at our record against the BCS schools or just the Big East schools, things may look a little better.???
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Whos to say we beat those teams however if they are now conference matches where half the games are on opposing home courts and none of this neutral court stuff.
We all know what January 1 does to this program.
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Moses was too busy those other years . .
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. . . we practically need Moses to come down and part the sea for us to finish in the top-6 of the A10 in the last decade. . .
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Dayton's historical record in the A-10:
Year (number of teams) finish postseason (top six finish in bold)
95/96 (12) - 4th (West)
96/97 (12) - 4th (West)
97/98 (12) - 3rd (West) - NIT
98/99 (12) - 6th (West)
99/00 (12) - 1st (West) - NCAA
00/01 (11) - 6th - NIT
01/02 (12) - 3rd (West) - NIT
02/03 (12) - 2nd (West) - NCAA
03/04 (12) - 1st (West) - NCAA
04/05 (12) - 3rd (West)
05/06 (14) - 12th
06/07 (14) - 7th
07/08 (14) - 8th - NIT
08/09 (14) - 3rd - NCAA
09/10 (14) - 7th - NIT
10/11 (14) - 9th - NIT
11/12 (14) - 7th - NIT
12/13 (16) - ? - ?
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Dayton's historical record in the A-10:
Year (number of teams) finish postseason (top six finish in bold)
95/96 (12) - 4th (West)
96/97 (12) - 4th (West)
97/98 (12) - 3rd (West) - NIT
98/99 (12) - 6th (West)
99/00 (12) - 1st (West) - NCAA
00/01 (11) - 6th - NIT
01/02 (12) - 3rd (West) - NIT
02/03 (12) - 2nd (West) - NCAA
03/04 (12) - 1st (West) - NCAA
04/05 (12) - 3rd (West)
05/06 (14) - 12th
06/07 (14) - 7th
07/08 (14) - 8th - NIT
08/09 (14) - 3rd - NCAA
09/10 (14) - 7th - NIT
10/11 (14) - 9th - NIT
11/12 (14) - 7th - NIT
12/13 (16) - ? - ?
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Hmm...
When did we eliminate East and West divisions and go to an unbalanced scheduled? 2006? Since the elimination of divisions - We've finished 12th, 7th, 8th, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 7th for an average place of 7.57
I'll say it again. The pod system has killed us. The year we finished 3rd was the year we were named the luckiest team by Pomeroy because of all of our close wins.
Revisiting this again .... On our 3rd place finishes prior to 2006 - you have to account for the fact that our 3rd place finishes were the equivalent of finishing 5th or 6th out of a 12 team conference. Not much different than finishing 7th or 8th out of a 14-16 team conference.
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Hmm...
When did we eliminate East and West divisions and go to an unbalanced scheduled? 2006? Since the elimination of divisions - We've finished 12th, 7th, 8th, 3rd, 7th, 9th, 7th for an average place of 7.57
I'll say it again. The pod system has killed us. The year we finished 3rd was the year we were named the luckiest team by Pomeroy because of all of our close wins.
Revisiting this again .... On our 3rd place finishes prior to 2006 - you have to account for the fact that our 3rd place finishes were the equivalent of finishing 5th or 6th out of a 12 team conference. Not much different than finishing 7th or 8th out of a 14-16 team conference.
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So true about the pod system. We seem to find a pod with some of the best teams that racks up an additional 1 or 2 loses on the record, but maintain an upper RPI to keep from dropping from some of the really low RPI teams in the conference. A lot of those 7th place finishes are that way because of tie breakers with teams with identical records.
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Football is changing the landscape. Not institutional fit. The public/private mix always has worked. Posted via Mobile Device
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I don't think anyone is debating that. Money and/or necessity can make just about anything "work." Money's funny that way. The Big East "worked" because of money, and then it blew up because of money. The current A-10 (arguably) "works" out of necessity.
But what some us are saying is that we would prefer to be in a conference with institutionally similar schools. We're not saying that a private/public mix absolutely can't work; it already "works" (arguably) with the A-10. But the C-10(12) makes even more sense (arguably, of course) and provides a logical unity and cohesion not often found in modern day conferences. Providence just simply makes more sense than Rhode Island.
You're right that institutional fit isn't driving the changing landscape. But what you're missing is that's precisely the point and the problem...
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Not missing it, just don't think it matters nearly as much as a fit with similar athletic interests. That's why the ACC "works". Even though there is public/private difference, the athletic departments have nearly identical interests despite their insitutional differences. I just think that's all that matters, and VCU is a better fit than Creighton because of geography.
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Can we COMPETE in this new league? I think that remains highly in doubt. At least to the competitive level that we all desire.
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Definitely in doubt. But I tend to agree with Shocka that it may help a lot more than it hurts. I think there are a number of issues with recruiting kids to Dayton (city, smaller talent base in area than a Philadelphia, surrounding programs more appealing). A stronger conference, with more television exposure and more name recognition may overcome some of that. And the money can't hurt.
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I just think that's all that matters, and VCU is a better fit than Creighton because of geography.
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Creighton's geography certainly poses an issue. VCU is an enticing fit. I could certainly live with that.
I agree with Cleveland, though, that Richmond is still an overall better fit than VCU. I know we're probably in the minority on that one, though...
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Creighton's geography certainly poses an issue. VCU is an enticing fit. I could certainly live with that.
I agree with Cleveland, though, that Richmond is still an overall better fit than VCU. I know we're probably in the minority on that one, though...
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Yes, definitely so.
The best thing Richmond has going for it is Chris Mooney. When it comes to the two athletic departments, I think VCU's is better in pretty much every single area. If Mooney every leaves, there is nothing to indicate that Richmond will continue to be successful.
I like Richmond. If I had my druthers, SLU, Butler, UD, XU, Richmond, VCU and Saint Joe's would be leaving the Atlantic Ten and forming our own conference rather than joining up with the BE7. But, if I had to choose between the two, it's VCU all day long.
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Yes, definitely so.
The best thing Richmond has going for it is Chris Mooney.
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...and a nicer campus, better academics, a private school, a larger basketball arena...
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...and a nicer campus, better academics, a private school, a larger basketball arena...
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Ehh, I tend to ignore things like that.
In all seriousness, I probably should value things like that more. I tend to focus on the personnel, and only the personnel.
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I'll say it again. The pod system has killed us. The year we finished 3rd was the year we were named the luckiest team by Pomeroy because of all of our close wins.
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Forgive me UD90, this isn't directed at you.
When the pod system was first announced, I remember fans fretting that we'd get stuck playing bottom feeders Fordham & SBU home-home which would annihilate our RPI. Well, we got paired with SLU & Charlotte/ Duquesne, some of the better teams in our league. Folks complained that we played too tough a schedule.
We ***** & moan about no-names coming to the Arena, but we fail to beat them (Weber State, ISU, Buffalo, ETSU). We pitch a hissy fit that we can't get BCS teams home-home on the schedule, but when we do (USC) we lay an egg when we have a legit shot at a road win, or fail to defend our floor (Seton Hall).
The pod system didn't kill us, our bad schedule didn't kill us, our good schedule didn't kill us. We killed ourselves by not rising to the challenge like a truly good basketball team should. You don't see X/ Temple/Butler complaining about their schedule. Good teams win instead of worrying about looking good in the shower.
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That's been the problem. UD has been above average, but not good.
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Richmond hasn't been all that since Anderson and Harper said goodbye. Just sayin'.
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Hasn't it only been a year and a half since those guys left?
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That's been the problem. UD has been above average, but not good.
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Honestly I think this is one of the reasons the C7 should want us in a new league. The arena is always filled and looks good on TV and we are just good enough that losing to us isn't an RPI killer.
Now don't get me wrong I don't want us to be just average, I want to be great. If we get in the new league (and it proves better than the current A10) it may help us get over the hump. I would rather try then be content with where we are.
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Hasn't it only been a year and a half since those guys left?
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Richmond has 2 all league players iand over those two years they went 55-17.
Over the rest of the Mooney era they are 84-92.
Richmond was 16-16 last year is 11-6 this year and certainly doesn't look like an NCAA team at this point.
Mooney would be catching a lot of flack at UD, 2 NCAA appearances in 8 years.
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Hasn't it only been a year and a half since those guys left?
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Yeah. But that has been Richmond historically. A good years or so when they get a class with a Harper and Anderson. And down years when they do not. Richmond has been at the top and a bottom feeder. So has GW, UMass, URI, SLU, SJU and SBU. LaSalle, Charlotte and Duquesne have ridden up and down between bottom feeder and fourt or so.
The other four longer term members have been far more consistent performers. Xavier and Temple at the top, Fordham at the bottom and UD in the middle.
Personally, if I can't be Xavier or Temple I would rather be where UD has been. At least I can hope to get over the hump to get to their level. If I have some good years and some really bad years I really have little reason to believe I could ever sustain a top level.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Not missing it, just don't think it matters nearly as much as a fit with similar athletic interests. That's why the ACC "works". Even though there is public/private difference, the athletic departments have nearly identical interests despite their insitutional differences. I just think that's all that matters, and VCU is a better fit than Creighton because of geography.
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I tend to focus on the personnel, and only the personnel.
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Richmond hasn't been all that since Anderson and Harper said goodbye. Just sayin'.
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Prior to VCU's 2011 Final Four run (the year Richmond went to the Sweet Sixteen), VCU won one NCAA tournament game in the previous 25 years.
If Wright State suddenly scores a great athletic department, has a few good seasons, sneaks into the First Four, and then makes a run to the Final Four, should they be added to the A-10 or C-10(12)?
Why not? VCU and Wright State are both relatively large, urban-style public research universities. Obviously, we wouldn't be able to say geography was a problem, since Wright State is right down the road from UD.
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Yeah, that's what it takes. See Butler. See George Mason too.
Don't discount the fact that VCU has one of the most young, dynamic coaches in the country. They have a rabid fan base (see the game last week?) and a suitable facility.
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Don't discount the fact that VCU has one of the most young, dynamic coaches in the country. They have a rabid fan base (see the game last week?) and a suitable facility.
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Yes, indeed. Shaka Smart is great. They have a rabid fan base because they are winning. It's not out of the question that Wright State could score a Shaka Smart-esque young coach. Then, if they made a run like VCU did, I'm sure their fan base would also become rabid, since they are located in the basketball crazy town of Dayton, Ohio. After all, Dayton is where VCU started their magical run. And, of course, the Nutter Center is more than a suitable facility, way better than many venues in the A-10 and probably even C-10(12).
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Creighton is going to be in the new conference.
After Xavier and Butler, they are the closest thing to a lock remaining.
Who knows how the last two spots will end up.
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Yeah, that's what it takes. See Butler. See George Mason too.
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Butler has been a Top 15 team six of the last seven years.
That is so rare that juxtaposing others is sort of absurd.
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Prior to VCU's 2011 Final Four run (the year Richmond went to the Sweet Sixteen), VCU won one NCAA tournament game in the previous 25 years.
If Wright State suddenly scores a great athletic department, has a few good seasons, sneaks into the First Four, and then makes a run to the Final Four, should they be added to the A-10 or C-10(12)?
Why not? VCU and Wright State are both relatively large, urban-style public research universities. Obviously, we wouldn't be able to say geography was a problem, since Wright State is right down the road from UD.
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Of course not. I've gone out of my way to state that they've done so much more than just go to a Final Four. George Mason went to a FF, and I'm not saying they should be considered. If Wright State scores a good athletic department and is able to keep it, then maybe. But, if the slot machine just happens to once in a blue moon come up all sevens with the right coach and the right set of players and the right match-ups in the NCAA Tournament, then not necessarily.
I think the difference is that VCU has sustained their success for ten years, and have been trending up throughout that entire time. They went from being a .500 or below program most of the time, to being routinely a top 80, 20+ win program over the last ten years. They've undergone multiple coaching changes and personnel changes in the athletic department, and have remained good. Not only that, but they've been incrimentally improving that entire time. They're program is now at a point to where it is expected that they will be an at-large caliber team. They've been trending up, and they're still trending.
You keep bringing up the FF run as if it's the only thing they've done. You seem to imply that everyone who likes them is being fooled by a fluke run. If anything, I think it is you that is being fooled by their FF run because you're under the impression that it's the only thing they've done. The FF team probably wasn't even VCU's best overall team in that ten year stretch. A program that has improved year after year after year the way VCU has is a solid program that can stand on its own. They have the things in place that they need to have in order to stay successful. I don't think Richmond does. To be fair to Richmond, I don't think there are many schools that do....at least not to the exten that VCU does.
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You keep bringing up the FF run as if it's the only thing they've done. You seem to imply that everyone who likes them is being fooled by a fluke run.
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Not at all. In fact, I like VCU. I thought their Final Four run was the best thing since sliced bread.
But I deal in facts. Prior to that run, they won one NCAA tournament game in 25 years. I'm not saying it was a fluke. Many people were saying that VCU did not even belong in the NCAA tournament that year (I disagreed). Three years ago, most people would have thought you were crazy discussing adding VCU to the Big East.
The point is, if that's all it takes to be invited to the C-12, why not Wright State?
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Not at all. In fact, I like VCU. I thought their Final Four run was the best thing since sliced bread.
But I deal in facts. Prior to that run, they won one NCAA tournament game in 25 years. I'm not saying it was a fluke. Many people were saying that VCU did not even belong in the NCAA tournament that year (I disagreed). Three years ago, most people would have thought you were crazy discussing adding VCU to the Big East.
The point is, if that's all it takes to be invited to the C-12, why not Wright State?
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Boy, you are obsessed with Wright State. If that's your team, fine, but stop asking our permission to include them in the discussion based on a mythical Final Four run that will likely never happen.
If {insert mid-major school name here} makes a final four run this year, they might be a great candidate for the C-12.
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If {insert mid-major school name here} makes a final four run this year, they might be a great candidate for the C-12.
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Hasn't it only been a year and a half since those guys left?
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About Anderson and Harper ( Richmond studs).
Each competitive winning team needs at least 2 star players to be viable and win anything in college. They had these 2 and a nice role player in Geriot.
Remove the Stars two years later and it makes competing tough. Even Butler, the Ultimate Team, has Rotnei who got injured, Dunham, and perhaps another "name" to give them polish and leadership.
We have Dillard part of the year. A mix of Vee/Oliver. And incompletes all around the other positions. That's like 1 and a half "stars" and even those are debatable. HOpefully ARch can get our guys on the same page.
2-3 stars and 3-4 additional guys who know their roles. That's generally what it takes
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Of course not. I've gone out of my way to state that they've done so much more than just go to a Final Four. George Mason went to a FF, and I'm not saying they should be considered. If Wright State scores a good athletic department and is able to keep it, then maybe. But, if the slot machine just happens to once in a blue moon come up all sevens with the right coach and the right set of players and the right match-ups in the NCAA Tournament, then not necessarily.
I think the difference is that VCU has sustained their success for ten years, and have been trending up throughout that entire time. They went from being a .500 or below program most of the time, to being routinely a top 80, 20+ win program over the last ten years. They've undergone multiple coaching changes and personnel changes in the athletic department, and have remained good. Not only that, but they've been incrimentally improving that entire time. They're program is now at a point to where it is expected that they will be an at-large caliber team. They've been trending up, and they're still trending.
You keep bringing up the FF run as if it's the only thing they've done. You seem to imply that everyone who likes them is being fooled by a fluke run. If anything, I think it is you that is being fooled by their FF run because you're under the impression that it's the only thing they've done. The FF team probably wasn't even VCU's best overall team in that ten year stretch. A program that has improved year after year after year the way VCU has is a solid program that can stand on its own. They have the things in place that they need to have in order to stay successful. I don't think Richmond does. To be fair to Richmond, I don't think there are many schools that do....at least not to the exten that VCU does.
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Creighton is going to be in the new conference.
After Xavier and Butler, they are the closest thing to a lock remaining.
Who knows how the last two spots will end up.
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Not at all. In fact, I like VCU. I thought their Final Four run was the best thing since sliced bread.
But I deal in facts. Prior to that run, they won one NCAA tournament game in 25 years. I'm not saying it was a fluke. Many people were saying that VCU did not even belong in the NCAA tournament that year (I disagreed). Three years ago, most people would have thought you were crazy discussing adding VCU to the Big East.
The point is, if that's all it takes to be invited to the C-12, why not Wright State?
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No, it's not all it takes. That's why Richmond isn't considered, or George Mason.
It's not all about how many NCAA games you won in the last 25 years. It's also about how you might do in the next 25 years in the new conference. And they aren't looking for flukey runs at places that show they don't really have the ability to at least be competitive in years runs don't occur.
Despite what you seem to think, VCU has done that over the past 10 years. They are always at a level that is at least close to an NCAA bid if they don't get one. It isn't just one or two years like Richmond. Richmond had two years in the NCAA, and a bunch of years when they struggled just to be .500. VCU is seldom near .500.
And that's what gets looked at with UD. They haven't gotten over the top to be in the NCAA every year, but they've been at least in the discussion most years.
VCU meets the criteria. Richmond doesn't. Creighton is close, but a long way off geographically. SLU hasn't consistently met it. Dayton usually. Xavier and Butler virtually all the time.
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Basically you are saying VCU has been able to do what UD has not been able to do.
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Actually a little better, but not a ton. I don't know that VCU will be a perennial NCAA team. But they are pretty consistent at NCAA or NIT level. Something Richmond had not done.
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And that's what gets looked at with UD. They haven't gotten over the top to be in the NCAA every year, but they've been at least in the discussion most years.
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Well, that, and the little fact that the "C" in C-7(12) stands for Catholic.
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Catholic is as much coincedence than plan. Obviously if VCU and Butler are in the discussion, but St Joes isn't that's not the main factor. Nor is Detroit in the discussion.
The discussion is centered around schools with similar athletic philosophies who have the resources to compete.
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01-15-2013, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
Forgive me UD90, this isn't directed at you.
When the pod system was first announced, I remember fans fretting that we'd get stuck playing bottom feeders Fordham & SBU home-home which would annihilate our RPI. Well, we got paired with SLU & Charlotte/Duquesne, some of the better teams in our league. Folks complained that we played too tough a schedule.
We ***** & moan about no-names coming to the Arena, but we fail to beat them (Weber State, ISU, Buffalo, ETSU). We pitch a hissy fit that we can't get BCS teams home-home on the schedule, but when we do (USC) we lay an egg when we have a legit shot at a road win, or fail to defend our floor (Seton Hall).
The pod system didn't kill us, our bad schedule didn't kill us, our good schedule didn't kill us. We killed ourselves by not rising to the challenge like a truly good basketball team should. You don't see X/Temple/Butler complaining about their schedule. Good teams win instead of worrying about looking good in the shower.
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Great locker room coach speech, but when one win is the difference between 3rd and 7th in the league, perhaps we should have been looking at a slightly different strategy when we requested our pods. But I do agree, they just need to get it done, overcome and grab that last win against a good team on the road.
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Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf. |
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01-15-2013, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Catholic is as much coincedence than plan. Obviously if VCU and Butler are in the discussion, but St Joes isn't that's not the main factor.
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...but it's certainly a factor. It's quite a stretch to say that the Catholic 7 just randomly all fell together through coincidence, like oops, whoopsy daisy! How'd that happen?
It's probably also not a coincidence that at least 80-90% of the conference will likely be institutionally similar schools, and it's plausible that the entire conference will be comprised of private schools, mostly Catholic. St. Joe's is not in the conversation because of Villanova's trump card.
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Do you realize there are only two Catholic colleges/universities that have Division I BCS Football?
Notre Dame (the worst #1 team in the history of college football) and...um...duh...Boston College (they haven't been really relevant since Doug Flutie played 30 years ago).
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Originally Posted by jumpin' joe
Do you realize there are only two Catholic colleges/universities that have Division I Football?
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Are you asking me? Sure, I realize that.
I guess that's just a wild coincidence too?
Or is that why the Catholic basketball schools tend to stick together?
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01-15-2013, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer
Great locker room coach speech, but when one win is the difference between 3rd and 7th in the league, perhaps we should have been looking at a slightly different strategy when we requested our pods. But I do agree, they just need to get it done, overcome and grab that last win against a good team on the road.
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If we had Temple's POD we might have danced two more times. That's not an excuse, it's just a fact. Even the UD Administration realized that and was taking a look at it. But I also agree we just need to get better.
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01-15-2013, 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
Are you asking me? Sure, I realize that.
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It was more of a statement than it was a question to you. I could have worded it better.
I wish Dayton could play in an all-Catholic football conference. Georgetown, Duquesne, San Diego, and Villanova would be a good start. Holy Cross would be a nice addition. Fordham? Not so sure.
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Religious affiliation a factor? Not!
Of course, the seven BE BB schools are being referred to as the C7....they all happen to be Catholic.
But, in my opinion, the religious affiliation (if any) of schools to be added is of no consequence whatsoever.
And, oh how I wish my memory was better. Shortly after UD joined the A10 I was speaking with TK. Just off the top of my head, with no thought at all, I mentioned how nice it would be if the Catholic BB schools formed a conference. Without a moment''s hesitation Ted explained why a conference comrprised of Catholic schools only would be undesirable....and he explained why.
It's the "why" that I don't remember. I think it had something to do with recruiting, but I'm not at all sure of that. What I am sure of is that TK exxplained to me the disadvantages of having only Catholic schools in a conference.
I'm sure his reasoning made sense at the time. If it still does some ~15 years later, the C7 may have a surprise or two waiting for us when they announce their target schools.
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01-15-2013, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by jumpin' joe
Do you realize there are only two Catholic colleges/universities that have Division I Football?
Notre Dame (the worst #1 team in the history of college football) and...um...duh...Boston College (they haven't been really relevant since Doug Flutie played 30 years ago).
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Don't you mean BCS football? UD plays D1 football (FCS) don't they?
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01-15-2013, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
Of course, the seven BE BB schools are being referred to as the C7....they all happen to be Catholic.
But, in my opinion, the religious affiliation (if any) of schools to be added is of no consequence whatsoever.
And, oh how I wish my memory was better. Shortly after UD joined the A10 I was speaking with TK. Just off the top of my head, with no thought at all, I mentioned how nice it would be if the Catholic BB schools formed a conference. Without a moment''s hesitation Ted explained why a conference comrprised of Catholic schools only would be undesirable....and he explained why.
It's the "why" that I don't remember. I think it had something to do with recruiting, but I'm not at all sure of that. What I am sure of is that TK exxplained to me the disadvantages of having only Catholic schools in a conference.
I'm sure his reasoning made sense at the time. If it still does some ~15 years later, the C7 may have a surprise or two waiting for us when they announce their target schools.
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I think it has something to do with limbo and purgatory.
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01-15-2013, 05:10 PM
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Since much of the discussion about who should be in the new league is based upon which schools have been sucessful most recently. And since over time most of the schools are up and some are down ie UD in fifties and sixties up and in late 80s and 90s down. Perhaps the best formula for a new league is a floating league.
Ie the 12 best teams from the combined A-10 and C7 and maybe the MVC in the past five years based upon some objective criteria ie NCAA appearances, wins and losses, how deep in tourney the team progresses are part of the "premier Basketball conference" in that year and the rest play in the "so so conferences". The "Premier Conference" would change year by year based upon the changing rankings. The "Premier conference" would get the big bucks TV contract and the money would be split up only among the "Premier Conference" members in that year. Premier Conference teams would never play the teams in the So So conferences.
Get a bad coach or have a weak recruiting year and very shortly find yourself out of the premier league. Luck into a hot coach and find yourself quickly in the premier league. Who's to complain it is all objectively based.
Is it a stupid idea with no consistency, probably; but it seems to fit the ideal league concept presented by some on this board better than a single snapshot based on the formation of a league at the time it is formed. That is who are the best teams currently.
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Originally Posted by CE80
Don't you mean BCS football? UD plays D1 football (FCS) don't they?
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Yes...edited and corrected.
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01-15-2013, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
Are you asking me? Sure, I realize that.
I guess that's just a wild coincidence too?
Or is that why the Catholic basketball schools tend to stick together?
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They stick together because they were together and they have similar athletic interest (no BCS football). It isn't because they are Catholic, and they aren't identifying potential conference members based on the religious affiliation of the school or whether or not they are private or public.
You might prefer they do, but they aren't.
Resources to compete and similar athletic interests (meaning primary focus is men's basketball, no BCS football, resources to compete).
I'm done.
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01-15-2013, 08:40 PM
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Jimmy Hoffa is buried somewhere in North Jersey.
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It's extremely cold this time of year in the UP.
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Al Roker sharted in the White House.
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Juwan Staten is a coach's problem child.
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01-15-2013, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode
Al Roker sharted in the White House.
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I know I will get chastised for going off topic but, can you believe he actually admitted to that.
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That's funny, Buster. I just get tired of people saying things as if they are true when they probably don't know any more than anybody else.
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This might come as a shock, but I'm actually with longtime on this one.
I understand why people would not want to cite their sources, but it is understandable why their credibility would be questioned if they didn't, especially if they don't have a history of being right with their prognostications.
That being said, if someone knows they're right in regards to something that has not yet happened, they really shouldn't care if anyone believes them or not. If you're right, then eventually you'll be proven right. Source or not.
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Originally Posted by xubrew
This might come as a shock, but I'm actually with longtime on this one.
I understand why people would not want to cite their sources, but it is understandable why their credibility would be questioned if they didn't, especially if they don't have a history of being right with their prognostications.
That being said, if someone knows they're right in regards to something that has not yet happened, they really shouldn't care if anyone believes them or not. If you're right, then eventually you'll be proven right. Source or not.
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And as I said above, I can understand why someone wouldn't want to reveal a specific name, but they could let us know they are not just blowing smoke out of their a$$ by giving us some indication of where the information came from. I have posted a couple things over the years I heard from a source "close to the program." I would never say who it is, but by saying that I am indicating I am not just making something up or giving my opinion. When people say something and don't even state they have a source the obvious conclusion is that they are simply expressing their opinion. So someone should at least state that they have a source - if they do.
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I'm guessing he didn't care so much when the ACC was breaking apart the Big East when it added Miami, BC, VTech, Pitt & Syracuse. Now that the B10 has taken Maryland, and the constant rumors of FSU, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Virginia and/or VTech moving on to the SEC, B10 and/or B12 "its a shame".
If he cared about Maryland and their fans, perhaps he should have insisted that Duke keep mayrland as one of its protect rivals. I read somewhere that Maryland's protected pod was BC, VTech & Pitt. Hardly what the maryland "ACC fan" grew up with. Finally, he says that Maryland was in the heart of ACC country. Sure that might be true "today" but just a few short years ago, they were at the northern edge of the ACC and if not for expansion north along the coast and into the heartland, Maryland would have never been at the heart of any conference.
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The Richmond topic seems to have passed, but I spent several years in Virginia and my impression of Richmond was that Richmond = Dayton. Similar size and demographics. URichmond = UDayton. VCU = Wright State. Basketball results are radically different of course, and Richmond is a capital, but overall it seemed a lot like Dayton.
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My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal. Word is that the AD at Grand Lakes University is ****ed.
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Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05
My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal and Dayton got hosed for those joker schools.
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And who are your sources?
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01-17-2013, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05
My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal. Word is that the AD at Grand Lakes University is ****ed.
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So, in other words, our non-conference home schedule.
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And who are your sources?
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Gutter is my guess, that dude stumbles into everything
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Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05
My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal. Word is that the AD at Grand Lakes University is ****ed.
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Faber's on double secret probation. No way they get in.
Their frats are legendary, though.
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Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05
My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal. Word is that the AD at Grand Lakes University is ****ed.
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What! No Ferris State? Unbelievable!
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Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05
My sources are telling me that the five will be Port Chester University, Faber College, South Central Louisiana State University, Harrison University, and Coolidge College.
It's a done deal. Word is that the AD at Grand Lakes University is ****ed.
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The athletes at South Central Louisiana State University are very well hydrated...H2O!
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The athletes at South Central Louisiana State University are very well hydrated...H2O!
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they get the high quality stuff.
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Interesting they SLU/St. Louis is rated higher than Dayton. Eveyone in Dayton knows about the flyers. In St. Louis SLU is only mentioned when the Cardinals, Blues, and Rams are not playing or relevant. Larger market but they still cannot fill their 10K arena even for rivaly games.
Dayton while a smaller market has more eyes watching the Flyers than St. Louis does watching the Bilikins.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
Interesting they SLU/St. Louis is rated higher than Dayton. Everyone in Dayton knows about the flyers. In St. Louis SLU is only mentioned when the Cardinals, Blues, and Rams are not playing or relevant. Larger market but they still cannot fill their 10K arena even for rivalry games.
Dayton while a smaller market has more eyes watching the Flyers than St. Louis does watching the Bilikins.
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Did I miss something? I didn't see anything that said St Louis is rated higher than Dayton. I just read one St Louis guy's opinion when he said, Don't be surprised if Dayton isn't far behind. A Dayton writer could have said, Don't be surprised if St Louis isn't far behind Dayton.
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Originally Posted by oldfan
Since much of the discussion about who should be in the new league is based upon which schools have been sucessful most recently. And since over time most of the schools are up and some are down ie UD in fifties and sixties up and in late 80s and 90s down. Perhaps the best formula for a new league is a floating league.
Ie the 12 best teams from the combined A-10 and C7 and maybe the MVC in the past five years based upon some objective criteria ie NCAA appearances, wins and losses, how deep in tourney the team progresses are part of the "premier Basketball conference" in that year and the rest play in the "so so conferences". The "Premier Conference" would change year by year based upon the changing rankings. The "Premier conference" would get the big bucks TV contract and the money would be split up only among the "Premier Conference" members in that year. Premier Conference teams would never play the teams in the So So conferences.
Get a bad coach or have a weak recruiting year and very shortly find yourself out of the premier league. Luck into a hot coach and find yourself quickly in the premier league. Who's to complain it is all objectively based.
Is it a stupid idea with no consistency, probably; but it seems to fit the ideal league concept presented by some on this board better than a single snapshot based on the formation of a league at the time it is formed. That is who are the best teams currently.
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Actually, you just described team relegation from the European soccer leagues.
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