Dayton not Going to a Depleted Big East with Limited NCAA Bids in 2014!

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 good post...and i agree. though i can definitely see presidents not all on the same page on who to add. so for me...its not so much that they're going to take this extra year to evaluate us...as much as its how much politics is involved and can curran/wabler convince them to go with dayton say over a richmond. like you i would love to hear them announce the plans all in 1 swoop...but even having to wait until june/july still leaves you worried because again who knows how much politics is going on. so much could change.

I would match Curran up against anyone when it comes to politics on an otherwise level playing field. It's the Jesuit connection that may be the show stopper.

As for contrarian thinking, of the C7, four are not Jesuit schools. Add X and BU to get to nine and then four are Jesuit schools, four are other Catholic orders and one non-Catholic.

Creighton and SLU are Jesuit schools. Does that give them an advantage? Probably with the four other Jesuit schools...but maybe not with the other four Catholics. Maybe not. Depends, I suppose, on how thick the politics really is.

Again, I'm back to footprint. Look at a map. As for area covered, adding UD adds little if anything to the footprint. In contrast, both CU and SLU significantly expand the conference footprint....a word that one hears often in connection with TV.

But, adding any of those schools to get to 12 makes the Big EAST primarily a mid-western conference, with 7 from that area and 5 from the east coast. Would they really want that? Seems to me that a six-and-six arrangement would have more appeal. And I'm not sure these guys want to be thought of as a "Catholic" conference. Adding a Richmond or equivalent to go with Butler would help in that regard.

Sad to say, I can't think of a single thing that UD brings to the table that the C7 wants or needs. Our excellent olympic sports, facilities and fan support are "nice". But those are certainly not C7 "needs",....or primary "wants".

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Rick Scaia These are university presidents making the decisions, here, not diptards from sportstalk radio who lack the attention span and critical thinking ability to synthesize information from longer than 4 days ago.

Yes, university presidents have done such a rational, intelligent job of handling the conference realignments.

[bcross]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer I would match Curran up against anyone when it comes to politics on an otherwise level playing field. It's the Jesuit connection that may be the show stopper. As for contrarian thinking, of the C7, four are not Jesuit schools. Add X and BU to get to nine and then four are Jesuit schools, four are other Catholic orders and one non-Catholic. Creighton and SLU are Jesuit schools. Does that give them an advantage? Probably with the four other Jesuit schools...but maybe not with the other four Catholics. Maybe not. Depends, I suppose, on how thick the politics really is.

Actually only two of the C7 schools are Jesuit, the other five are not.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer I would match Curran up against anyone when it comes to politics on an otherwise level playing field. It's the Jesuit connection that may be the show stopper. As for contrarian thinking, of the C7, four are not Jesuit schools. Add X and BU to get to nine and then four are Jesuit schools, four are other Catholic orders and one non-Catholic. Creighton and SLU are Jesuit schools. Does that give them an advantage? Probably with the four other Jesuit schools...but maybe not with the other four Catholics. Maybe not. Depends, I suppose, on how thick the politics really is. Again, I'm back to footprint. Look at a map. As for area covered, adding UD adds little if anything to the footprint. In contrast, both CU and SLU significantly expand the conference footprint....a word that one hears often in connection with TV. But, adding any of those schools to get to 12 makes the Big EAST primarily a mid-western conference, with 7 from that area and 5 from the east coast. Would they really want that? Seems to me that a six-and-six arrangement would have more appeal. And I'm not sure these guys want to be thought of as a "Catholic" conference. Adding a Richmond or equivalent to go with Butler would help in that regard. Sad to say, I can't think of a single thing that UD brings to the table that the C7 wants or needs. Our excellent olympic sports, facilities and fan support are "nice". But those are certainly not C7 "needs",....or primary "wants".

TV eyeballs is a Need, perhaps the only need, of FOX. And FOX seems to be driving the bus on picking c7 teams. It seems to me that "butts in the seats" and "eyeballs on the the TV" would be highly correlated so how could we deliver the first and not deliver the latter?

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Flyer Dave]

Originally Posted by CE80 Define huge. There are about 6000 alumni that call all of NY, NJ and CT home. In all of IL it is just under 6000. One would probably be better off touting the Cleveland market.

Yes. That are active participants in the Alumni Association. Now add all those grads that are not active members, then yes it is huge.

[415 Kiefaber]

I have seen several university presidents in action. While I believe Curran has done many things to move UD in a positive direction, he is an average "politician" in my humble opinion. I hope that I am way off, but I am concerned that our president does not have the influence needed to sway presidents at the Catholic 7 schools.

My hope is that this will be a great opportunity for Dr. Curran’s leadership and political acumen to show up and shine!

Go UD!

[UD90]

Best advice in this article...

"Stay tuned," he said. "Not much else to tell them, because this is clearly a situation that an event of great significance will either happen or won't happen. In terms of this separation, two halves of the Big East, it certainly feels like it's going to happen, but I've just told them all to sit by and wait until we know whether it does."

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/stor...84&src=desktop

[UDDoug]

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[axehandle]

Originally Posted by UD90 Best advice in this article... "Stay tuned," he said. "Not much else to tell them, because this is clearly a situation that an event of great significance will either happen or won't happen. In terms of this separation, two halves of the Big East, it certainly feels like it's going to happen, but I've just told them all to sit by and wait until we know whether it does." http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/stor...84&src=desktop

Whenever there is uncertainty, N.D. is often swimming in the water. See the quote ""And if they were interested in accommodating us, it would certainly be a viable option."
I believe Fox is pushing for N.D. for the 10th team if only for one year. Also if N.D. could (unlikely) be convinced to join permanently, the ten team league could stand.

Different source but a lot of the same. see below.

Notre Dame wants to talk to Catholic 7
By The Sports Xchange | The SportsXchange – Fri, Mar 1, 2013 10:11 PM EST

As negotiations between the Big East and breakaway Catholic 7 schools proceed, there already is talk of adding another famous catholic school to the newly forming league....

[ud2]

Another jersey guy update this evening. I'll be glad when this is all over, regardless of what happens.


http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5423

[frisco flyer]

Has anyone else heard the rumor that Dayton is looking into joining the remnance of the Big East if we don't get an invite to join the new Big East. I saw this on the A10 board but apparently it originated on another thread.

If the rumor is true, it does not reflect well on the administration's confidence in our chances to make it into the new league.

[UDEE79]

Originally Posted by ud2 Another jersey guy update this evening. I'll be glad when this is all over, regardless of what happens. http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5423

wow the three football schools left standing will get about 25 million each out of this deal. That is a nice consolation prize.

[Chris R]

Originally Posted by frisco flyer Has anyone else heard the rumor that Dayton is looking into joining the remnance of the Big East if we don't get an invite to join the new Big East. I saw this on the A10 board but apparently it originated on another thread. If the rumor is true, it does not reflect well on the administration's confidence in our chances to make it into the new league.

Some person coming up with yet another idea to add to the 50 other possible outcomes. Someone will end up being right if you sling enough mud on the wall.

Going to the football Big East would be an unmitigated disaster. The entire reason that league just shattered into a million pieces is because football schools run roughshot over basketball schools. They cannot co-exist. Basketball schools cannot compete with football money. Dayton would be a sitting duck to have to compete against the bottomless pit of football money. Though whatever money the football Big East now gets will surely be less than it was.

Do you really want Dayton running to a league that saw about 12 schools just abandon ship on? Including 7 hoops only schools? Talk about buying a ticket on the Lusitania. Everyone else is running out the front door of the house fire, and UD wants to move our things in. That would be a doozy to wrap my brain around.

[College B-Ball Fan]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer I would match Curran up against anyone when it comes to politics on an otherwise level playing field. It's the Jesuit connection that may be the show stopper. As for contrarian thinking, of the C7, four are not Jesuit schools. Add X and BU to get to nine and then four are Jesuit schools, four are other Catholic orders and one non-Catholic. Creighton and SLU are Jesuit schools. Does that give them an advantage? Probably with the four other Jesuit schools...but maybe not with the other four Catholics. Maybe not. Depends, I suppose, on how thick the politics really is. Again, I'm back to footprint. Look at a map. As for area covered, adding UD adds little if anything to the footprint. In contrast, both CU and SLU significantly expand the conference footprint....a word that one hears often in connection with TV. But, adding any of those schools to get to 12 makes the Big EAST primarily a mid-western conference, with 7 from that area and 5 from the east coast. Would they really want that? Seems to me that a six-and-six arrangement would have more appeal. And I'm not sure these guys want to be thought of as a "Catholic" conference. Adding a Richmond or equivalent to go with Butler would help in that regard. Sad to say, I can't think of a single thing that UD brings to the table that the C7 wants or needs. Our excellent olympic sports, facilities and fan support are "nice". But those are certainly not C7 "needs",....or primary "wants".

****UAC, I don't get your arguements regarding this issue. I won't check previous postings by you but at one point in either this thread or another---you were arguing that an issue of this nature was of such a lofty level (high level), that it was above Tim Wabler's pay grade and only someone with the clout/expertise etc. of Dr. Curren could be "really" in charge of the process for UD with the other Universities involved in the C7 issue--and that was indeed the case in terms of any discussions!

I believe that was soon after news of our possible inclusion in the new league broke or near that time frame. I know that I commented to you that Tim Wabler was a very capable guy----and that I was sure that Tim Wabler also was instrumental in the "process" on behalf of the University of Dayton. Honestly, you made it sound like only a guy like Dr. Curren (with all of his successes, talent, clout etc.) could be in charge of this for UD........

Now, after the news doesn't seem as rosy (possibly), I come back and there's multiple comments by you making it sound like The University of Dayton quite possibly had "no real chance" of becoming an "invited member" of the "new big east" because of things like the "jesuit" issue, market share, etc.?

Thus, Dr. Curren shouldn't be "blamed" IF we do not get an invite??

Which is it?

It seems apparent that you must work for the guy or something? If we get an invite----Curren deserves all the "credit" but if that doesn't occur---than "we never had a real shot" and it really had nothing to do with Dr. Curren's skill, connections, clout, lack thereof etc?

What am I missing--other than the most recent discussion(s) about our possibly NOT be included OR included?

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by Flyer69ers (There used to be a "Knick Train" from UD to NY for the holidays - maybe still is)

There is absolutely no passenger train service in Dayton. You'd have to head down to Cincinnati, and catch a 3am Amtrak to take 16-20 hours to get into New York City's Penn Station via Washington. I've thought about it, but when I can drive across I80 in 12-13 hours from Dayton to Long Island, there's no need to take 3-7 hours longer on a train.

Or you can go upto Cleveland to grab a train through Albany, or Pittsburgh/Philly.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Chris R Some person coming up with yet another idea to add to the 50 other possible outcomes. Someone will end up being right if you sling enough mud on the wall. Going to the football Big East would be an unmitigated disaster. The entire reason that league just shattered into a million pieces is because football schools run roughshot over basketball schools. They cannot co-exist. Basketball schools cannot compete with football money. Dayton would be a sitting duck to have to compete against the bottomless pit of football money. Though whatever money the football Big East now gets will surely be less than it was. Do you really want Dayton running to a league that saw about 12 schools just abandon ship on? Including 7 hoops only schools? Talk about buying a ticket on the Lusitania. Everyone else is running out the front door of the house fire, and UD wants to move our things in. That would be a doozy to wrap my brain around.

I disagree. The BE football and basketball schools coexisted very successfully for many years. The BE began in 1979. Football was introduced in 1991. That's over 20 years of successful coexistence.

The reason that the BE broke up was because the c7 were not happy with the new additions to the conference, the c7 felt that the new additions were degrading the conference. If some combination of Pitt/Syracuse/West Virginia were still in the BE, the c7 would probably still be in the BE today, and no breakup would have occurred. The BE turning down ESPN's big tv contract offer also played a big part in the breakup.

The new BE, or whatever you want to call it, will still have Cincinnati, Connecticut, Memphis, Temple, and USF. Even if you lose both UC's to the ACC, you still have Memphis, Temple, and USF. In addition, Houston, SMU, and Central Florida may have some potential.

The new A10, depending on what happens, may only have VCU, St. Joe's, and Dayton. Rhode Island, St. Bonaventure, LaSalle, and GW have had some success at times too.

I definitely think UD should consider membership of some sort, whether it be basketball-only or all sports, in the new BE. If the new A10 adds some good schools though, the new BE may end up being of about the same quality as the new A10. Depending on who the A10 adds though, Dayton and Duquesne may end up being the only midwestern schools in the new A10.

Again, the new BE and the new A10 will probably end up being about equivalent in terms of basketball quality if Cincinnati and Connecticut move to the ACC. If both UC's stay in the new BE, then the new BE will be better than the new A10.

New BE:
Cincinnati
Connecticut
Memphis
Temple
USF
Central Florida
Houston
SMU
Tulane




New A10:
Dayton | FlyerHoops.net
Duquesne | OnTheBluff.com
Fordham
Geo. Washington
La Salle
Rhode Island
St. Joseph's
St. Bonaventure
VCU

Potentially gone: Butler, Xavier, Richmond, St. Louis, Charlotte, UMass, and Temple

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by College B-Ball Fan ****UAC, I don't get your arguements regarding this issue. I won't check previous postings by you but at one point in either this thread or another---you were arguing that an issue of this nature was of such a lofty level (high level), that it was above Tim Wabler's pay grade and only someone with the clout/expertise etc. of Dr. Curren could be "really" in charge of the process for UD with the other Universities involved in the C7 issue--and that was indeed the case in terms of any discussions! I believe that was soon after news of our possible inclusion in the new league broke or near that time frame. I know that I commented to you that Tim Wabler was a very capable guy----and that I was sure that Tim Wabler also was instrumental in the "process" on behalf of the University of Dayton. Honestly, you made it sound like only a guy like Dr. Curren (with all of his successes, talent, clout etc.) could be in charge of this for UD........ Now, after the news doesn't seem as rosy (possibly), I come back and there's multiple comments by you making it sound like The University of Dayton quite possibly had "no real chance" of becoming an "invited member" of the "new big east" because of things like the "jesuit" issue, market share, etc.? Thus, Dr. Curren shouldn't be "blamed" IF we do not get an invite?? Which is it? It seems apparent that you must work for the guy or something? If we get an invite----Curren deserves all the "credit" but if that doesn't occur---than "we never had a real shot" and it really had nothing to do with Dr. Curren's skill, connections, clout, lack thereof etc? What am I missing--other than the most recent discussion(s) about our possibly NOT be included OR included?

B-Ball Fan, I think you have misunderstood my meaning. Just as the C7 presidents are calling the shots for that group, I was stating that Dan Curran should be the one at the point for UD.

And if we don't get an invite,....as seems probable,...I will not be "blaming" anyone. I wouldn't be thrilled to learn that UD didn't do everything possible...but, I'm sure that's not the case.

Re the Jesuit issue, previously I had not thought of that. With SLU and CU being Jesuit schools, that's just one more (small?) issue we have to face.

I think the very biggest issue(s) blocking Dayton is our average BB performance compared to X and BU, for example, and...more important, our proximity to those schools. Nothing Curran or Wabler can do about that.

Some Priders have insisted that Dayton's TV situation is as good or better than SLU's (probably no better than CU's, which is a lot like Dayton.) I don't know if that's true or not. But, if true, it could be important if we are significantly better....it's too important to speculate about.

I think UD should hire the most prominent, most respected TV market research firm in the country to thoroughly analyze the market reaslities of SLU, CU and, indeed, all the C7 schools. We may not like the result. But, if it turns out to be favorable, that firm should then prepare an iron clad, bullet proof presentation/proposal for the C7 presidents and Fox to provide an objective, third party factual analysis. (I doubt if the results would favor UD...but it's too important to be guessing about...we've got to know.)

As for my connection with Curran....none,...I am so imopressed with the guy because of how he has transformed our U.)

Hope this helps clarify my views.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Tim Wabler TIM WABLER Current Director of Athletics for the University of Dayton. Took over for Ted Kissell on Jan. 1, 2009, and brings considerable experience and leadership in athletics. Assistant AD for many years and a former standout baseball player for the Flyers, Wabler has Dayton roots and understands the unique paradigm that makes Flyer athletics and the city of Dayton a tremendous relationship.

[ud2]

Looking at the potential scenarios again, if Cincinnati and Connecticut both end up in the ACC, I would think that the new BE may have to merge with Conference USA or the new BE may have to poach CUSA or some other conference. This whole thing is sort of hard to keep track of.

The new BE would be down to 7 full members if both UC's leave:

Memphis
Temple
USF
Central Florida
Houston
SMU
Tulane


Conference USA:

East Carolina-joining new BE for football in 2014
Marshall
Rice
Southern Miss
Tulsa
UAB
UTEP


8 future members of CUSA joining in 2013:

Charlotte
Florida Atlantic
Floirda International
Louisiana Tech
Middle Tennessee State
North Texas
Old Dominion
Texas San Antonio

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[hawkoooo]

You would think CUSA wants nothing to do with the Old Big East after all of this nonsense. Plus if they merged it would be a massive conference (26 teams if you count Navy, ECU, UC, UConn, and USF).

[jpk4ud]

Sorry if this has been posted.

http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...911,full.story

Good read and sounds like UD is in.

[westchesterflyer]

Originally Posted by jpk4ud Sorry if this has been posted. http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...911,full.story Good read and sounds like UD is in.

Looks like this requires a subscription.

[FlyerFanatic08]

Originally Posted by jpk4ud Sorry if this has been posted. http://www.dailypress.com/sports/tee...911,full.story Good read and sounds like UD is in.

ummm anyone else not able to view the article? telling us we gotta sign up for something to read it

[FlyerFanatic08]

browsing over at that holylandofhoops site and saw these two posts from today...

"People think this is fluid whereas I've been told it is not. The teams were decided long ago. Nothing has changed. Lot of details and contracts to draft but the core of the decision has remained constant.

Again, this is just what I'm hearing but what the reports are saying now is pretty much what I heard a couple of months ago."

"I hear the same-3 teams in for next season and UD and STL for the 2014 season-have been hearing it's been a done deal for quite some time."


who knows what anyone knows...just adding to more of the speculation.

[runnerup]

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 ummm anyone else not able to view the article? telling us we gotta sign up for something to read it

No luck here.

[rollo]

I did a quick cut-and-paste in the 5 seconds we were allowed to view the article...here's the key paragraph:

"The so-called Catholic 7 -- basketball-centric, faith-based schools splitting from the old Big East – of Georgetown, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, DePaul, St. John’s and Villanova – are, according to ESPN, set to add the A-10’s Butler and Xavier as early as Wednesday, with perhaps Dayton, Saint Louis and the Missouri Valley’s Creighton to follow."

I'm not sure 'perhaps' means we're in so this article is nothing more than a repeat of everything else we've been reading.

[jpk4ud]

Sorry got it off of twitter feed.

Atlantic 10 commissioner Bernadette McGlade smiled wryly when asked Saturday if someone might declare a cease-fire from college sports’ relentless conference realignment raids.
“If there is a call,” she said, “I haven't gotten the memo yet.”
McGlade huddled with five reporters prior to Saturday’s marquee A-10 basketball game between visiting Butler and VCU, amid reports that at least two and as many as four league schools soon will announce their intention to join the new Big East.

• The so-called Catholic 7 -- basketball-centric, faith-based schools splitting from the old Big East – of Georgetown, Providence, Marquette, Seton Hall, DePaul, St. John’s and Villanova – are, according to ESPN, set to add the A-10’s Butler and Xavier as early as Wednesday, with perhaps Dayton, Saint Louis and the Missouri Valley’s Creighton to follow.

[ud2]

Well, shouldn't that article say as many as 5, not 4, A10 schools going to the c7, unless it has already been determined that Creighton is in?

5: Xavier, Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, and Richmond or VCU.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[FSUFlyer]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer You may be right...FSU is closer to B12 schools than WVU. Interesting that the B12 is sitting still, not with 14 schools, or 12, but with ten! They seem happy with ten. Can that last? Doesn't seem likely. If they move, I agree, FSU would be a likely target. But, suppose the B12 does have its eye on FSU....indeed, FSU is the #1 target. FSU would also jump at an SEC invitation...in fact, that would be much better for them. That being the case, can the B12 sit on its hands thinking that it can nab FSU any time it wants...the way the ACC knows it can have either UC any time it wants? The Big 12 seems so content to sit and watch. Odd.

I think FSU is positioning itself to be the lynchpin of ACC instability. If the SEC and Big Ten truly have their eyes on an ACC expansion, the best way to jumpstart it is to get FSU to leave. The ACC won't be long for the world after it's largest tv revenue generator just bounced. Joining the Big 12 as another other than a last resort would be a colossal failure.


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The Big East just needs to go to 13 by adding Dayton, Butler, Creighton, Richmond, Saint Louis and Xavier. Sets up for a division-less conference where you can play every school 3 times every 2 years with an 18-game schedule.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by ud2 Well, shouldn't that article say as many as 5, not 4, A10 schools going to the c7, unless it has already been determined that Creighton is in? 5: Xavier, Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, and Richmond or VCU.

I think the general consensus is that A) Creighton will be the 10th team and B) VCU is no longer a legitimate candidate (debatable as to whether they actually ever were).

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer The Big East just needs to go to 13 by adding Dayton, Butler, Creighton, Richmond, Saint Louis and Xavier. Sets up for a division-less conference where you can play every school 3 times every 2 years with an 18-game schedule.

Agree. I said awhile back they should just go to 14 and throw in VCU too - giving them seven in the East and seven in the Midwest.

[anthonycharles]

Originally Posted by ud2 Well, shouldn't that article say as many as 5, not 4, A10 schools going to the c7, unless it has already been determined that Creighton is in? 5: Xavier, Butler, Dayton, St. Louis, and Richmond or VCU.

I spoke with someone in the VCU athletic dept. this past weekend. VCU is out, Dayton is in. His words. Take it for what it is worth.

[Sea Bass]

the sad part of this no matter of how it plays out is that if the A14 after Temple and Charlotte were to kick out (Lasalle, Fordham, SBU and Duquesne) it would have been a great conference.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[rollo]

Let me go on the record before an official announcement is made saying that I hope and pray that we get invited to the C7-BE Conference...but not for the reason anyone has ever discussed here.

The one reason we need to be added is so that when the BCS boys decide to start their own NCAA Basketball Tournament, we still have a shot to eventually qualify.

BCS football is what, 119 teams? To qualify for BCS football you need minimum requirements with attendance and scholarships...but you see no restrictions with NCAA D1 basketball...

It is my firm belief that in the future...distant...the big shots in basketball will also want to form their own basketball tournament. Of course the BCS Conference members will be automatically eligible...and there's no doubt they'd have to invite the Marquette's and G'towns of the world, too..and maybe a handful of others (memphis, byu, gonazaga who will also be doing all in their power to move around and up). Anyone who's not in the 4 (or 6) major BCS football/basketball Conferences or C7-BE is potentially going to be on the outside looking in.

If we're left in the A10 it's only a matter of time until we're potentially designated as D1-AA, which due to perception is a program killer.

So if we're invited I'm now on the record as being excited while at the same time saying we don't deserve it, haven't earned it and are going to struggle madly for a long, long time.

But as a fighter, I believe that option is better than being left out of the ring completely.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by ud2 From the Marquette board. C7 featured on ESPN's Outside the Lines Pitino: C7 Deserve the BE name C7 Deserves the MSG tourney home C7 should have been fed up and left 3 years ago C7 is getting a great deal from Fox Football rules sports Katz: Fox Deal is driving this to start '13-14 Fox Insists on Xavier and Butler Fox Working to get Creighton in this year Fox wants to add SLU and Gonzaga GU wants another eastern seaboard program Fox may want 16 teams over time C7 won't cut check; Will leave majority of Tourney Units (Tourney Units pay out over 6 years) Remaining Schools (RS) will need ECU & USNA to come in as full members UND & Louisville will join ACC this fall Andrew Brandt (Sports Law at Nova; former GB Packer Exec) BE Name highly valuable WSJ puts value in excess of $500MM Brand Equity is in Fox Deal C7 will flourish financially

Originally Posted by Buick-Flyer Did anyone else see the 'Outside the Lines' segment to confirm the above? I don't trust anything from the Marquette board.

You were right Buick, the info on the Marquette board was wrong.

Originally Posted by flyerfever No mention of Gonzaga. Ley did mention SLU and Dayton early on in this podcast as additional members in 14/15. No mention of Gtown wanting an east coast member. Everything else was pretty much as has been speculated...Fox wants the splash next season with their new networks. Something may happen in the sponsor roll out on Tuesday. Andy Katz did mention that Creighton's buy out was quite a bit less than what X and Butler have to pay, and they think the Jays are the 10th team Quoted Pitino as mentioned above. Discussed how the money issues may be addressed via the tourney money that is disbursed over 6 years. Check it out...it's about 10 minutes with Ley and Katz.

Thanks.

I have no idea why the stuff posted on the Marquette board was presented as having been actually discussed in Outside the Lines.

I don't get it, it looks like the poster was lying? It doesn't make any sense to me.

I didn't listen to the Outside the Lines show, but it sounds like Gonzaga to the c7 wasn't discussed, GU wanting another eastern seaboard program wasn't discussed, and Fox wanting 16 teams eventually wasn't discussed.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan Agree. I said awhile back they should just go to 14 and throw in VCU too - giving them seven in the East and seven in the Midwest.

If it's "all about money", as seems to be the case, every school that is added above the minimum (nine?) has to result in an increase in the money from TV sufficient to cover the additional slice of the pie that is required.

Understandably, a point is reached where the increase in TV revenue by adding a school reduces the amount the other schools receive because of the extra slice of the pie. When that occurs determines the maximum conference size.

For the new C7 conference is the "tipping point" size 10 schools, 11, 12, 13, 14? I don't know. It may be ten. More likely 12. I cannot envision that it will be financially beneficial for the new league to have more than 12 teams....maybe even that number is too high.

What do you think longtimer?

Re which schools, if all the schools mentioned are added, the conference becomes dominated by mid-west schools. I don't see that as attractive to the five east coast schools. Richmond is a good fit in a number of ways. Seems to me that UD would have no significant advantage over UR...and UR would provide geographic balance. For sure, VCU is a poor fit.

I wish I knew how important fan attendance, facilities and olympic sports are.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[UDDoug]

It's a little more complicated than the typical analysis of the monetary benefits because of how badly the new FOX networks will need programming. More teams provides more programming.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by rollo Let me go on the record before an official announcement is made saying that I hope and pray that we get invited to the C7-BE Conference...but not for the reason anyone has ever discussed here. The one reason we need to be added is so that when the BCS boys decide to start their own NCAA Basketball Tournament, we still have a shot to eventually qualify. BCS football is what, 119 teams? To qualify for BCS football you need minimum requirements with attendance and scholarships...but you see no restrictions with NCAA D1 basketball... It is my firm belief that in the future...distant...the big shots in basketball will also want to form their own basketball tournament. Of course the BCS Conference members will be automatically eligible...and there's no doubt they'd have to invite the Marquette's and G'towns of the world, too..and maybe a handful of others (memphis, byu, gonazaga who will also be doing all in their power to move around and up). Anyone who's not in the 4 (or 6) major BCS football/basketball Conferences or C7-BE is potentially going to be on the outside looking in. If we're left in the A10 it's only a matter of time until we're potentially designated as D1-AA, which due to perception is a program killer. So if we're invited I'm now on the record as being excited while at the same time saying we don't deserve it, haven't earned it and are going to struggle madly for a long, long time. But as a fighter, I believe that option is better than being left out of the ring completely.

Rollo, I agree. At some point in the not to distant future the big boys may decide to go their own way in basketall, as they have done in football. Being in a top 10 conference then may be the only way to survive if that happens.

[axehandle]

I hope we are in and the announcement states as firmly as possible that 2014 is our year. Having said that, I was just reading expansion items on a Buckeye FB board and some poster with, oh yes (inside info) stating that Fox wants ND as a permanent member and is willing to pay $4 M per team.

[UACFlyer]

How could the C7 and new members agree to having Gonzaga as a member? It's clear why Fox would like to add Gonzaga. If that happens we know that the schools have sold their souls.

Traveling 2000-3000 miles to play volleyball, softball?

[FlyerFanatic08]

Originally Posted by anthonycharles I spoke with someone in the VCU athletic dept. this past weekend. VCU is out, Dayton is in. His words. Take it for what it is worth.

this someone you trust, i imagine?

[BRob2Perryman3]

WOW!! Marquette has a real hard on against us. Maybe we ruined Dwayne Wades Marquette legacy his Junior year Is it because of the Chris Wright dunk? Winning 5 of 6? I know Al Mcguire called the Fieldhouse a dump back in the 60's. I just dont understand their opposition and i really dont get G-Town's opposition, they must be scared of us, ive been watching since 92' and we've never played them.

Its becoming apparent who the glass half full guys and glass half empty guys are. The empty guys drain me..........really drain me. They call it "being a realist" but seriously, UD hoops is a getaway from life and stress, just have faith in DC,TW and AM to get the job done. We will return to prominence!!! Anyone else watch Pierre,Robinson and Price go off Saturday!! They are the future.

Keep it upbeat fellas!!

Go Flyers!!!

	Chris Wright CHRIS WRIGHT 6-8 225lb | Trotwood Madison, HS (OH) A10 All Rookie Team. Preseason 2008 2nd Team All A10. Member of the UD Flight Club with a 40+ inch vertical leap. Consensus Top-75 national recruit. Uncle is former Flyer J.D. Grigsby. Nickname is Top Flyght. CAREER STATS 2007-08 10.4ppg 5.7rpg

[MrFlyerFanatic]

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 browsing over at that holylandofhoops site and saw these two posts from today... "People think this is fluid whereas I've been told it is not. The teams were decided long ago. Nothing has changed. Lot of details and contracts to draft but the core of the decision has remained constant. Again, this is just what I'm hearing but what the reports are saying now is pretty much what I heard a couple of months ago." "I hear the same-3 teams in for next season and UD and STL for the 2014 season-have been hearing it's been a done deal for quite some time." who knows what anyone knows...just adding to more of the speculation.

This makes a lot of sense. Also, I believe there will be one announcement. If it is going to be a 2 year phase-in, I think all will be announced together. i.e. Xavier and Butler will join in 2013 and Dayton and SLU will join in 2014. There is no economic advantage to a year of ambiguity. Obviously, with Temple and Charlotte eligible for championship play, the A10 has no rule about preventing teams who are leaving from playing in conference tournaments so there is no punishment for UD and SLU being 1 year delayed.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[longtimefan]

I just hope Notre Dame doesn't come in and screw us over. I'm not sure I could dislike them any more than I already do, but I would certainly try.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Re which schools, if all the schools mentioned are added, the conference becomes dominated by mid-west schools. I don't see that as attractive to the five east coast schools. Richmond is a good fit in a number of ways. Seems to me that UD would have no significant advantage over UR...and UR would provide geographic balance. For sure, VCU is a poor fit.

Wouldn't VCU would be the only public institution if they were invited? That would force the league to open the books to the public, wouldn't it? What other downside issues are there for having a public institution as part of the league? Are there other losses of privacy for the league?

[Avid Flyer]

Have no fear Flyer Fanatics, Dayton is in the Big East, just got it confirmed from a very reliable source. Didn't get his name but he did stay at the Holiday Inn last night.

Hey its as reliable as everything being reported

	Flyer Faithful FLYER FAITHFUL Best college basketball fans in the country. Knowledgeable, enthusiastic, and loyal. Help to create one of the toughest home courts in the nation at UD Arena. Over 12,000 fans a game put the Flyers in the Top-30 nationally in attendance. Fan spirit and support growing to other UD sports and athletic programs as well.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by Fudd Wouldn't VCU would be the only public institution if they were invited? That would force the league to open the books to the public, wouldn't it? What other downside issues are there for having a public institution as part of the league? Are there other losses of privacy for the league?

My comment re VCU being a poor fit was because VCU as an institution is completely different from the C7+.

Of course, the A10 is made up of an institutional mix or state and private, large and small. But, it is a "mix"; there is a degree of balance. VCU would be a single outlier among a group of private schools. Bad fit.

On another topic: Fox may want a large footprint and has a need to fill air time...and Fox writes the checks. But, Fox doesn't send its olympic sports teams from school-to-school to play games. Hopefully, the presidents are not losing sight of such issues.

Even Creighton is a helluva haul from the east coast....SLU's coach complained about that.....Gonzaga? Nuts!

West Virginia fought to join the Big 12, with FB the driver. Probably that's a good thing for WVU. But, the travel distance issue has surfaced after less than one year.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[UDDoug]

Besides the public/private thing, VCU has explored (and according to some is exploring) the possibility of playing FBS football. That would make them a better fit with the football schools.

[bobber]

There is a short interview tape with the VCU AD floating around somewhere, and on it he says it's just a matter of time before they go hard into football. They are, after all, a big, public, southern school. And like Charlotte, they'll have their football come heck or high water.

That alone, plus the freedom of information issues, make VCU an unlikely candidate.

Charlotte, on the other hand is private and very strong academically. But, as the columnist from St. Louis pointed out recently, they have only 3K undergrads and they seldom fill their arena because many alumni are from the northeast and they don't follow the program once they leave Richmond.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[bigudfan]

Not sure if this link has been posted anywhere. Interesting!

http://oneminuteremaining.wordpress....ce-simulation/

[bobber]

Originally Posted by bigudfan Not sure if this link has been posted anywhere. Interesting! http://oneminuteremaining.wordpress....ce-simulation/

Verrryy Interesting.

And did you notice they have Dayton in the East with X in the West?

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by bobber Charlotte, on the other hand is private and very strong academically. But, as the columnist from St. Louis pointed out recently, they have only 3K undergrads and they seldom fill their arena because many alumni are from the northeast and they don't follow the program once they leave Richmond.

The "Charlotte" that's in the A10 is a large, public school with over 20,000 undergrads.

Charlotte is the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer The "Charlotte" that's in the A10 is a large, public school with over 20,000 undergrads. Charlotte is the University of North Carolina at Charlotte.

My bad, meant Richmond.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by bobber Verrryy Interesting. And did you notice they have Dayton in the East with X in the West?

And we finished with a better league record than X. That must be why they want to hold us out of the new BE.

[UACFlyer]

This is like waiting to learn the results from a biopsy!

[ruechalgrin]

Let's hope the NY Post is right ...

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/colle...U9DYdMu5YKicDP

[FlyerFanatic08]

‏@SIPeteThamel
Catholic 7 update: Don't expect an official announcement tomorrow at Fox Upfront. Expect something formal within a week.

‏@SIPeteThamel
The number of C7 teams for next season -- 9, 10 or 12 -- still hasn't been decided. Creighton still percieved leader for No. 10.

that jersey guy blog who has seemed to be on top of this also mentioned in his newest blog post:

http://ajerseyguy.com/

"The frame-work of an agreement which will allow the Catholic 7 group of schools to break away from the Big East by this July as well as take the “‘Big East” name has been reached, with an official announcement expected by Wednesday or Thursday, barring some last-minute snag."


if the announcement of that comes late this week..makes sense something formal from C7 could come early next week from fox/C7 as thamel reported

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08 ‏@SIPeteThamel Catholic 7 update: Don't expect an official announcement tomorrow at Fox Upfront. Expect something formal within a week. ‏@SIPeteThamel The number of C7 teams for next season -- 9, 10 or 12 -- still hasn't been decided. Creighton still percieved leader for No. 10.

There must be some big disagreements to drag it out this long.

[axehandle]

Originally Posted by bigudfan Not sure if this link has been posted anywhere. Interesting! http://oneminuteremaining.wordpress....ce-simulation/

Dayton in the East.... I could live with that. Perhaps for other sports a little imagination with scheduling can help. Also, relatively speaking we are in the middle of the conference geographically. In fact we could have a better travel schedule than the Eastern teams going West or the West teams going East for the non divisional games..

[Rick Scaia]

If divisional play is the way things go in 2014 (they'll do an 18 game/home-and-home-with-everybody schedule, with 10 teams in 2013, no divisions), I don't think anybody needs to waste any time thinking about geography.

If I'm not mistaken, one of the big stinks raised by the Marquettes and/or Georgetowns of the world was how they wanted to always be able to play each other at home, every year, regardless of conference alignment, for box office reasons. Villanova might have been involved, too. Ergo, you're never gonna see Marquette slumming it in a "western" division, where they only get G'Town coming to their home court every other year.

They'll just use divisional play as an excuse to create a "league within a league" where the legacy schools (well, 6 of them, minus lowly DePaul) all stick together in one division, and retain their precious home and homes.Then the new blood can fight among themselves, and only receive a semi-annual visit from the big boys. [Or you can do it with no divisional play, and just use a "pod" system that just so happens to result in the same sort of scheduling.]

It's still shady, old boy network shennanigans, but it beats the hell out of being left out of the new conference entirely...


Rick

[axehandle]

Originally Posted by Rick Scaia If divisional play is the way things go in 2014 (they'll do an 18 game/home-and-home-with-everybody schedule, with 10 teams in 2013, no divisions), I don't think anybody needs to waste any time thinking about geography. If I'm not mistaken, one of the big stinks raised by the Marquettes and/or Georgetowns of the world was how they wanted to always be able to play each other at home, every year, regardless of conference alignment, for box office reasons. Villanova might have been involved, too. Ergo, you're never gonna see Marquette slumming it in a "western" division, where they only get G'Town coming to their home court every other year. They'll just use divisional play as an excuse to create a "league within a league" where the legacy schools (well, 6 of them, minus lowly DePaul) all stick together in one division, and retain their precious home and homes.Then the new blood can fight among themselves, and only receive a semi-annual visit from the big boys. [Or you can do it with no divisional play, and just use a "pod" system that just so happens to result in the same sort of scheduling.] It's still shady, old boy network shennanigans, but it beats the hell out of being left out of the new conference entirely... Rick

Hmmm... you might be on to something.

[hawkoooo]

Notre Dame should just be the 11th member next season. If the ACC implodes it can stay. What is the risk? BE can always add Richmond to even things out.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Medford]

Originally Posted by Rick Scaia If divisional play is the way things go in 2014 (they'll do an 18 game/home-and-home-with-everybody schedule, with 10 teams in 2013, no divisions), I don't think anybody needs to waste any time thinking about geography. If I'm not mistaken, one of the big stinks raised by the Marquettes and/or Georgetowns of the world was how they wanted to always be able to play each other at home, every year, regardless of conference alignment, for box office reasons. Villanova might have been involved, too. Ergo, you're never gonna see Marquette slumming it in a "western" division, where they only get G'Town coming to their home court every other year. They'll just use divisional play as an excuse to create a "league within a league" where the legacy schools (well, 6 of them, minus lowly DePaul) all stick together in one division, and retain their precious home and homes.Then the new blood can fight among themselves, and only receive a semi-annual visit from the big boys. [Or you can do it with no divisional play, and just use a "pod" system that just so happens to result in the same sort of scheduling.] It's still shady, old boy network shennanigans, but it beats the hell out of being left out of the new conference entirely... Rick

If, I repeat, if its UD, slu, creighton, x and butler, I doubt you'll see a old 6 new 6 setup. I'd imagine Marquette would want to play cu and slu. I could see the johnnies wanting UD in town every year, theyd be stupid to avoid a home and home between UD and x, etc... I think you'd see some matching not based on geography nor standing, and no formal divisions ala what the sec did for a season or two

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[sheg]

Originally Posted by Rick Scaia They'll just use divisional play as an excuse to create a "league within a league" where the legacy schools (well, 6 of them, minus lowly DePaul) all stick together in one division, and retain their precious home and homes.Then the new blood can fight among themselves, and only receive a semi-annual visit from the big boys. [Or you can do it with no divisional play, and just use a "pod" system that just so happens to result in the same sort of scheduling.] It's still shady, old boy network shennanigans, but it beats the hell out of being left out of the new conference entirely... Rick

Home-and-away every year with:

Butler
Depaul
Creighton
St. Louis
Xavier

Home game every year against three of the following:

Marquette
Georgetown
Villanova
St. John's
Providence
Seton Hall

Where do I sign up for tickets?

Even better though, a suggestion above which hasn't gotten enough love IMO:

Originally Posted by FSUFlyer The Big East just needs to go to 13 by adding Dayton, Butler, Creighton, Richmond, Saint Louis and Xavier. Sets up for a division-less conference where you can play every school 3 times every 2 years with an 18-game schedule.

This is brilliant. It would mean getting every team at home 3 out of every 4 years. It would also mean giving up annual rivalry games at home 1/4 of the years, but that is a good tradeoff.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Notre Dame should just be the 11th member next season. If the ACC implodes it can stay. What is the risk? BE can always add Richmond to even things out.

I don't want to see any arrangement,...of any kind,....that in any way, shape or form accommodates Notre Dame.....nothing, not a thing that makes ND's life easier.

[UACFlyer]

...will there be reporting from a source,...any source,...that really can be considered accurate, athoritative, credible.....information that we can take to the bank?

[Medford]

How do you know that report hasn't already been written and published? There have been several articles, only a select few know if they are accurate or not, I guess the unwashed masses will know for sure un the next week or so.

[flyerfanatic86]

USA Today reporting Catholic 7 will be Big East and play tournament in MSG. Also indicates ND to ACC in the fall. Good for UD, obviously

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports...tions/1963671/

[ud2]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer If it's "all about money", as seems to be the case, every school that is added above the minimum (nine?) has to result in an increase in the money from TV sufficient to cover the additional slice of the pie that is required. Understandably, a point is reached where the increase in TV revenue by adding a school reduces the amount the other schools receive because of the extra slice of the pie. When that occurs determines the maximum conference size. For the new C7 conference is the "tipping point" size 10 schools, 11, 12, 13, 14? I don't know. It may be ten. More likely 12. I cannot envision that it will be financially beneficial for the new league to have more than 12 teams....maybe even that number is too high. What do you think longtimer? Re which schools, if all the schools mentioned are added, the conference becomes dominated by mid-west schools. I don't see that as attractive to the five east coast schools. Richmond is a good fit in a number of ways. Seems to me that UD would have no significant advantage over UR...and UR would provide geographic balance. For sure, VCU is a poor fit. I wish I knew how important fan attendance, facilities and olympic sports are.

13 must be the point when the payout starts to decrease, otherwise, I don't see why they just can't add all 6(leave out VCU)or 7(VCU included)that they are considering, to get to 13 or 14.

At 10, the payout is $3 million/school.

At 12, the payout is $3.33 million/school.

So, theoretically, you would think that the payout at 13 and 14 schools would just keep increasing, correct?

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Medford]

having 13 means you'll always have a team with a weekend off. Not exactly the best plan. with 10-12 weeks of conference play, that means most everyone would have at least 1 saturday off.

Early in conference play, that's not so bad as you can probably fill that with a buy game or a decent cross conference game. However, towards the end of the season it becomes much harder, and the last weekend of the season, whomever has the bye has no shot of finding a game (the smaller conferences are playing their conference tournaments, the bigger conference teams are probably not going to schedule an OOC game right before their conference tournament). There migt be an exception for an independent or a team ineligible for their conference tournament, but its a problem they'd like to avoid.

[oRed]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer ...will there be reporting from a source,...any source,...that really can be considered accurate, athoritative, credible.....information that we can take to the bank?

starts today...multiple news sources (I heard it on Bloomberg radio early this am) Fox has presser today to introduce Fox Sports 1. Hard to imagine Fox schedules a presser and doesn't have their headline college basketball programming ready to announce...

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by oRed starts today...multiple news sources (I heard it on Bloomberg radio early this am) Fox has presser today to introduce Fox Sports 1. Hard to imagine Fox schedules a presser and doesn't have their headline college basketball programming ready to announce...

Keep tuned into to Bloomberg and keep us ip-to-date.

Thanks

[oRed]

I think it might make more sense to tune into Fox Sports radio

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by oRed I think it might make more sense to tune into Fox Sports radio

or to tune out.

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by oRed I think it might make more sense to tune into Fox Sports radio

What's a "radio?"

[Flyer69ers]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer What's a "radio?"

I think that's where Bucky and Larry live.

[shapanud]

Interesting article on the Fox Sports 1 & ESPN alliance. The article says that Fox Sports will be sublicensing C7/Big East games to ESPN because both are trying to squeeze out NBC Sports. This would make getting into the conference even more important.

http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/J.../ESPN-Fox.aspx

[AustinFlyer]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer What's a "radio?"

It's an app on my iPhone.

[FlyerFanatic08]

apparently there won't be any announcement about the new league...they might mention it off hand at that fox presser..but not details. the BE and C7 have to finish up their divorce first

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Medford having 13 means you'll always have a team with a weekend off. Not exactly the best plan. with 10-12 weeks of conference play, that means most everyone would have at least 1 saturday off. Early in conference play, that's not so bad as you can probably fill that with a buy game or a decent cross conference game. However, towards the end of the season it becomes much harder, and the last weekend of the season, whomever has the bye has no shot of finding a game (the smaller conferences are playing their conference tournaments, the bigger conference teams are probably not going to schedule an OOC game right before their conference tournament). There might be an exception for an independent or a team ineligible for their conference tournament, but its a problem they'd like to avoid.

I don't think that would be a problem. We had at least two weeks this year when we had only one conference game. We did not have a game on Sat, Jan 19, or Wed, Feb 20. Archie said he liked the week between games to regroup and prepare. The only negative about the week off is that it drives the folks on this board crazy.

[AC91]

getting closer?

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-sour...50--ncaaf.html

[Medford]

Originally Posted by longtimefan I don't think that would be a problem. We had at least two weeks this year when we had only one conference game. We did not have a game on Sat, Jan 19, or Wed, Feb 20. Archie said he liked the week between games to regroup and prepare. The only negative about the week off is that it drives the folks on this board crazy.

A weekend w/o a game (w/ the possible exception of Christmas and New Years depending on when that falls is pretty rare. Everyone has a day or 2 off during the middle of the week during conference play, in just about every conference in the country.

Now at UD, that may not matter much, they'll still get 11,000 no matter if its a wedneday, thursday or saturday. I'm not sure if that is true at a place like Depaul, providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, etc... Saturday is also an easier time to host potential recuits.

Its not a huge deal, the ACC ran with 9 schools for a long time, but its not ideal. It would definently suck to have a weekend off right before the conference tournament (well maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, it would definently be different than anything I'm used to while UD has been in the A10)

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by Medford A weekend w/o a game (w/ the possible exception of Christmas and New Years depending on when that falls is pretty rare. Everyone has a day or 2 off during the middle of the week during conference play, in just about every conference in the country. Now at UD, that may not matter much, they'll still get 11,000 no matter if its a wedneday, thursday or saturday. I'm not sure if that is true at a place like Depaul, providence, Seton Hall, St Johns, etc... Saturday is also an easier time to host potential recuits. Its not a huge deal, the ACC ran with 9 schools for a long time, but its not ideal. It would definently suck to have a weekend off right before the conference tournament (well maybe it would, maybe it wouldn't, it would definently be different than anything I'm used to while UD has been in the A10)

In my mind the only thing that matters is whether we are in or not. If those guys announce that they will go with a 9 team league next year, with X and BU added,...and expand to 12 the following year, but without announcing the name of the other.three school, well, that would be....that would be, ..just,...unb......

[bobber]

If posted before, a thousand pardons, Sahib.

http://marquettetribune.org/2013/03/...than-expected/

[ud2]

Originally Posted by bigudfan Not sure if this link has been posted anywhere. Interesting! http://oneminuteremaining.wordpress....ce-simulation/

Wow. With all due respect, I'd like to know what these guys were smoking when they ran this simulation. #3 out of 12 in a hypothetical new BE last year with a NCAA bid? No way.

[UACFlyer]

Without comment...

http://college-basketball.si.com/201...?sct=uk_bf1_a4

[ud2]

http://ajerseyguy.com/?p=5471


Jersey Guy is saying an announcement will be made tomorrow.

The $110 million that the BE has from exit fees and NCAA units has apparently been divided up. Approximately $90 million to Cincinnati, Connecticut, and USF, divided in 3 for $30 million for each of those 3. Approximately $10 million to the c7. Approximately $10 million to the other BE football schools.

The c7 caved, the c7 were trying to get as much as $35 million. Had the c7 waited until next year, the c7 would have gotten significantly more.

Some speculation that Fox may sweeten the c7 deal in order to compensate the c7 for their loss. Sources saying as much as $10-12 million more for the c7 from Fox. That would put the Fox tv deal in the $50-52 million/year range.

[UD90]

I didn't hear anything today as ESPN reported we would ...

* Did Fox make their big announcement today about all of this hearsay yet?
* Did the Xavier, Butler, and Creighton ADs make an announcement voicing their excitement of participating in the new Big East?
* Did I miss it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CQFEY9RIRJA

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[FlyerFanatic08]

ahh come on UD90...i know the speculating is getting tiresome...but its what message boards are for.

also the big east/C7 haven't officially split up yet...hard to announce a new conference when the big east is still in tact

give it till the weekend. hopefully everything shakes out by then and doesn't run into next week.

[UD90]

Nothing wrong with speculation unless it is perceived as the truth before it's fully baked. The oven timer hasn't even been set yet.

[ClevelandFlyer05]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Without comment... http://college-basketball.si.com/201...?sct=uk_bf1_a4

Have you read Outliers? It's on my list, most likely for this summer.

Regardless, the luck component should not be downplayed. Each of those schools had an initial Tournament run that really put it on the map and helped propel it to the next level.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05 Regardless, the luck component should not be downplayed. Each of those schools had an initial Tournament run that really put it on the map and helped propel it to the next level.

And, according to some, two of the three got where they are partly due to taking risks on recruits with academic and/or character issues. And some on here who want to replicate their success don't want to give MK a second chance. I received my Flyer Connection in the mail today and there is a very interesting article by Larry Hansgen stating why he feels MK deserves a second chance to finish his degree and playing career at UD.

	Larry Hansgen LARRY HANSGEN The long-time voice of the Flyers on NewsTalk Radio WHIO, Larry Hansgen provides play-by-play for all University of Dayton men's basketball and football games. Hansgen also serves as News Director for WHIO 1290 AM and 95.7 FM.

[rollo]

I will do a 180 and support Kav's return on one condition...












He has to move in with longtimefan.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by rollo I will do a 180 and support Kav's return on one condition... He has to move in with longtimefan.

Why would you do that to Kavs, he's a great kid and deserves better

[UACFlyer]

Originally Posted by longtimefan And, according to some, two of the three got where they are partly due to taking risks on recruits with academic and/or character issues. And some on here who want to replicate their success don't want to give MK a second chance. I received my Flyer Connection in the mail today and there is a very interesting article by Larry Hansgen stating why he feels MK deserves a second chance to finish his degree and playing career at UD.

Did not receive my Connection yet.

Can you summarize the highlights of Hansgen's reasoning?

As for recruiting: I have no issue with taking a chance with kids that bring with them academic risk,...even if we have to assign a full-time tutor to the kid. Character risk is another matter entirely. Never worth it. Should not be done.

Re MK. whatever Hansgen's reasoning, the good of the U comes first. Suppose we wind up in a new conference with the C7. Do we want to be playing a kid carrying all that baggage as we embark on a new groundbreaking adventure?

I realize that MK will be gone by the time UD joins the new league, if that happens. Nonetheless, if UD is invited to join the C7, that will be one of the most significant developments in the history of Flyer athletics, if not the most significant. Why we would want to muddy the water when we don't have to?

[SeasonTicketFan]

Originally Posted by ClevelandFlyer05 Have you read Outliers? It's on my list, most likely for this summer. Regardless, the luck component should not be downplayed. Each of those schools had an initial Tournament run that really put it on the map and helped propel it to the next level.

Outliers is a great read. It discusses opportunity, being in he right place and preparation. The SI article highlights the preparation. UD has been in the same location, but seems to lack the preparation.

[dcflyer]

Apparently Espn.com is reporting that Creighton will be the tenth team. No mention of whether there will be two more teams added the following year or who they might be.

http://m.espn.go.com/extra/ncaa/stor...Id=9019093&src
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[TA111]

Originally Posted by UACFlyer Did not receive my Connection yet. Can you summarize the highlights of Hansgen's reasoning? As for recruiting: I have no issue with taking a chance with kids that bring with them academic risk,...even if we have to assign a full-time tutor to the kid. Character risk is another matter entirely. Never worth it. Should not be done. Re MK. whatever Hansgen's reasoning, the good of the U comes first. Suppose we wind up in a new conference with the C7. Do we want to be playing a kid carrying all that baggage as we embark on a new groundbreaking adventure? I realize that MK will be gone by the time UD joins the new league, if that happens. Nonetheless, if UD is invited to join the C7, that will be one of the most significant developments in the history of Flyer athletics, if not the most significant. Why we would want to muddy the water when we don't have to?

I think you are overreacting.... A lot. Come on it is hardly "one of the most significant developments in the history" of UD. As I've stated countless times the U should decide the severity of any punishment and the associated penalty which includes whether to rejoin the team. Larry is a lot closer to the situation than anyone on this board so he probably has info we don't. There will be no "muddy" waters.

[rollo]

You'd be surprised how close some people on this board are to the situation.

[shocka43]

There is a difference in taking a chance with an unknown risk and taking a second chance with a proven risk.

[hoch21]

Don't believe everything espn is reporting, there's a reason FS1 and Fox are keeping quiet.
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