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I will be VERY disappointed in Archie if he leaves. He has said he wants to be here for a long time. He could answer the question of leaving with some coach speak without saying he wants to be here for a long time. He could say he loves it here and he likes what he is building here but he wouldn't have to say he plans to be here for a long time. If you don't mean it, don't say it. I actually think he WILL be here for a long time, but I may be a sucker.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
I will be VERY disappointed in Archie if he leaves. He has said he wants to be here for a long time. He could answer the question of leaving with some coach speak without saying he wants to be here for a long time. He could say he loves it here and he likes what he is building here but he wouldn't have to say he plans to be here for a long time. If you don't mean it, don't say it. I actually think he WILL be here for a long time, but I may be a sucker.
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If Shaka had a top 10, Archie at least has a top 3 or 4. And Florida and NCST would be two of them. The more you say you are not interested, the more they chase you and the bigger the offer gets. Arch would be a fool to not even listen to what they had to say.
Watch for these words if he does. "No one could have convinced me they would offer that kind of package. I really loved it at Dayton and I had no intention of leaving".
Get real, folks. We are Dayton. They are Florida.
I just hope they brought Anthony Grant in as the heir apparent.
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How in the world would you know what Archie's top 3-4 coaching gigs are?
I mean NC State makes sense as a possibility b/c he and his wife went to school there, but not everyone wants to be at their alma mater, especially if its not their "dream job" and if Archie is honest with himself, he knows the coach at NC State is facing an uphill battle vs UNC, Louisville, Syracuse and Duke in the ACC every season, not to mention their own back yard.
On the other end, Florida makes sense, as they have the resources that easily put them in the top 3 of the SEC (I think most would say 2nd only to UK) and it much, much easier to win big there than it is at NC State, however, who knows if he even likes the idea of living in central florida, with ungodly hot summers, in a part of the state that is "real" florida, not the touristy parts that most of us see along the beaches or in Orlando.
Both could presumably offer more money than UD and easier access to top recruits, more national TV games, etc... so I would be foolish to rule either spot out, but I wouldn't just assume either school (or really any school unless Archie has specifically told them) is his ideal "destination"
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How in the world would you know what Archie's top 3-4 coaching gigs are?
I mean NC State makes sense as a possibility b/c he and his wife went to school there, but not everyone wants to be at their alma mater, especially if its not their "dream job" and if Archie is honest with himself, he knows the coach at NC State is facing an uphill battle vs UNC, Louisville, Syracuse and Duke in the ACC every season, not to mention their own back yard.
On the other end, Florida makes sense, as they have the resources that easily put them in the top 3 of the SEC (I think most would say 2nd only to UK) and it much, much easier to win big there than it is at NC State, however, who knows if he even likes the idea of living in central florida, with ungodly hot summers, in a part of the state that is "real" florida, not the touristy parts that most of us see along the beaches or in Orlando.
Both could presumably offer more money than UD and easier access to top recruits, more national TV games, etc... so I would be foolish to rule either spot out, but I wouldn't just assume either school (or really any school unless Archie has specifically told them) is his ideal "destination"
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When Urban left ,their football program went south quickly. Who knows what happens if Billy leaves Florida
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Sure sounds like it's Kevin Ollie's job if he wants it. He has a relationship with OKC management, and most importantly Kevin Durant. OKC can't afford to lose him in free agency, so my guess is who Kevin wants, Kevin gets. No relationship with Billy Donovan.
http://zagsblog.com/articles/unocals...s-no-1-target/
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I'm with the group that thinks he will be here a while. Couple more years at least.
That said, this one is an interesting test. IF Donovan leaves. IF Florida is interested and offers him a deal. IF he says no...then I think a lot of people will relax. It draws a pretty firm line in the sand as to what kind of job he would leave for.
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Just pay Archie...just like Texas, basketball is a red-headed step-child in Florida.
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In the state of Florida maybe, but not at the University of Florida. They are fully invested in basketball, emotionally and financially. Which is why they are undertaking a costly redo of their whole arena.
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I'll bet there is a juicy buyout clause for any institution that would court Archie...wouldn't be surprised if it's in the neighborhood of $10M the first year.
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Just pay Archie...just like Texas, basketball is a red-headed step-child in Florida.
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AM's making a lot! It won't be a lack of $$$ or a lack of "respect" from the administration, etc. if he leaves!
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You would have to be insane not to listen to an offer of a multi-year package of upwards to $4 MM per year at a first class institution in a major conference; and in the case of Florida, a jurisdiction with no state income taxes. It is especially important for a family's financial security in a profession that is notorious for a lack of job security. We all love UD (and I'm sure AM really is content here...at least for now) but, C'MON, let's be serious...this type of contract affords the type of financial security that no one in his/her right mind could ignore if offered.
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Archie is not leaving this year. How many times does he have to say it?
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Just pay Archie...just like Texas, basketball is a red-headed step-child in Florida.
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I feel like a lot of people who are fans of "basketball schools" beat their chests, making arguments like this, without ever considering what it means to have big-time football.
I saw Rick Barnes, who pre-Texas, a long time ago was part of coaching staffs at Providence, George Mason and Davidson explain it this way, paraphrasing, but something to the effect of: "I've been at schools without football. Trust me when I say you want football. It's so much easier to recruit when you have football."
In recruiting, I feel like half the battle is just getting the recruit to take a visit. What kid wouldn't jump at an opportunity to go to a big-time game?
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In the state of Florida maybe, but not at the University of Florida. They are fully invested in basketball, emotionally and financially. Which is why they are undertaking a costly redo of their whole arena.
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Wife is a Gator & UF is no longer just a football-spring football school. Hoops is very big there now, and so are the non-revenue sports. Heck, my wife just went nuts when their women's gymnastics team won another national championship.
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And Gainesville is a great town. UF is a top notch opportunity. Hope OK hires Ollie and not BD. Love Archie and I really think he loves UD but UF would be a hard one to say no to.
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Originally Posted by Viperstick
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Wife is a Gator & UF is no longer just a football-spring football school. Hoops is very big there now, and so are the non-revenue sports. Heck, my wife just went nuts when their women's gymnastics team won another national championship.
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Hoops might be big when played IN Gainesville but not when the show goes on the road, as demonstrated by the small following in Memphis last year, despite having a title contender. Hoops is big because BD made it big. Take BD away and unless you bring in the names mentioned earlier...not so much.
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If NC State ever offered Archie, there's no way he would decline. Not a chance.
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If NC State ever offered Archie, there's no way he would decline. Not a chance.
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How do you know for sure? There are not all that many coaches coaching where they played. Coach K left Army, Thad left Butler, Billy D never took the Providence job, etc... He may leave UD for it, but if its not where he wants to be long term, and he feels confident where he wants to be long term will be available in the next couple of seasons, it wouldn't be wise to move and have to start somewhere where things are likely "down"
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Florida was the number 1 overall seed in the NCAA tourney last year. They also have a top 10 recruiting class coming in. Florida has been a top 10 basketball program for the past 15 years, no reason why it will drop off. I am concerned if Donovan leaves for OKC that Arch is gone.
Donovan makes $4 million a year with Florida. Gregg Marshall is currently making $3.3 million at Witichia State. Does anybody know what Archie is making with his new contract? Does anybody know the first year buyout?
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
I will be VERY disappointed in Archie if he leaves. He has said he wants to be here for a long time. He could answer the question of leaving with some coach speak without saying he wants to be here for a long time. He could say he loves it here and he likes what he is building here but he wouldn't have to say he plans to be here for a long time. If you don't mean it, don't say it. I actually think he WILL be here for a long time, but I may be a sucker.
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I try to believe someone until I see a reason not too. But, there aren't too many people that you can totally rely on when they say "I give you my word". And for people who say it is security I say that someone who is making $1 million a year should be pretty secure in the future.
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Originally Posted by UDBrian
I try to believe someone until I see a reason not too. But, there aren't too many people that you can totally rely on when they say "I give you my word". And for people who say it is security I say that someone who is making $1 million a year should be pretty secure in the future.
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And for people who say it is security that someone who is making $1 million a year should be pretty secure in the future really don't know what they're talking about as you simply can't lump every presumed rich person in here......Until you know their lifestyles (for good or bad), geographical regions, their situation, expenses, who they might be supporting from a family standpoint, etc..
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Originally Posted by UDBrian
I try to believe someone until I see a reason not too. But, there aren't too many people that you can totally rely on when they say "I give you my word". And for people who say it is security I say that someone who is making $1 million a year should be pretty secure in the future.
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This is the kind of things people say that sounds reasonable until you do the math.
If you made $1M per year for the next 30 years, then sure, you've almost surely got enough money.
But AM is, what, 38 years old? If he made $1M per year for the last 5 years (on average) and was fired next year, and couldn't find another job, he would end up nearly destitute. Even if he SAVED $3M out of the $5M (extremely likely since taxes alone would consume 30%+), it's not likely that $3M cash lasts you and your family for the next 40-50 years.
If he was out of coaching in the next 2-3 years he absolutely could not stop working with enough savings to last until age 85. Is that a likely scenario? Not in the least. Is it likely that you will lose your job and not be able to find any work at all for the next X years until you're 85? Also not likely, but, I'll bet you worry about it some nights. Some people worry more than others.
When your wife looks at you and says "it sure would be disappointing to retire in Bethany Village instead of a beachside 10,000 square foot mansion in Florida like our friends the Johnson's" you're wise to consider your options. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, it's just something to consider, that's all.
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This is the kind of things people say that sounds reasonable until you do the math.
If you made $1M per year for the next 30 years, then sure, you've almost surely got enough money.
But AM is, what, 38 years old? If he made $1M per year for the last 5 years (on average) and was fired next year, and couldn't find another job, he would end up nearly destitute. Even if he SAVED $3M out of the $5M (extremely likely since taxes alone would consume 30%+), it's not likely that $3M cash lasts you and your family for the next 40-50 years.
If he was out of coaching in the next 2-3 years he absolutely could not stop working with enough savings to last until age 85. Is that a likely scenario? Not in the least. Is it likely that you will lose your job and not be able to find any work at all for the next X years until you're 85? Also not likely, but, I'll bet you worry about it some nights. Some people worry more than others.
When your wife looks at you and says "it sure would be disappointing to retire in Bethany Village instead of a beachside 10,000 square foot mansion in Florida like our friends the Johnson's" you're wise to consider your options. That doesn't make anyone a bad person, it's just something to consider, that's all.
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Those frickin' Johnson's and Jones's. Making my life miserable.
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Originally Posted by FlyerNation23
Florida was the number 1 overall seed in the NCAA tourney last year. They also have a top 10 recruiting class coming in. Florida has been a top 10 basketball program for the past 15 years, no reason why it will drop off. I am concerned if Donovan leaves for OKC that Arch is gone.
Donovan makes $4 million a year with Florida. Gregg Marshall is currently making $3.3 million at Witichia State. Does anybody know what Archie is making with his new contract? Does anybody know the first year buyout?
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The $1.5 is a little short from what I hear
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Doug we may have a similar source, as I heard salary is a little north of your $1.5 number and buyout close to double that. The buyout is a BIGGGGGG number.
But if Florida wants Archie, they make it work. Florida is a really good job. A lot of dominos have to fall for it to happen as we are speculating on Archie taking a job that isn't even open, but if it does, and he takes it, can't blame him.
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Florida's facilities are top shelf in every sport. They aim for National Championships to start, and settle for SEC Championships often. Then there is the girls. Have you seen the Dazzlers!!
The place is like an Olympic training grounds. I was accepted into their grad school as a cave man when the place looked like Antioch. Ended up going to Iowa. What was I thinking?
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Now being reported Ollie has withdrawn his name from consideration.
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Doug we may have a similar source, as I heard salary is a little north of your $1.5 number and buyout close to double that. The buyout is a BIGGGGGG number.
But if Florida wants Archie, they make it work. Florida is a really good job. A lot of dominos have to fall for it to happen as we are speculating on Archie taking a job that isn't even open, but if it does, and he takes it, can't blame him.
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Over a mill short,plus that doesn't included other perks for Archie
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Which is code for OKC is targeting Billy D. and Ollie was not their first choice.
Florida had to make a record 7 million dollar buyout to Colorado St. for their football coach only 3 months ago. I know they have plenty of funds, but do they want to pay another large payout to UD or Wichita St. for basketball?
Florida was nothing before Billy D and Lon Krueger. Their first NCAA appearance was in 1987. They made the tourney 3 times before Lon's arrival and were placed on probation because of those years. Yes, they have been great under Billy D. I don't consider them a top 4 program.
If Florida comes calling, Archie and Morgan should give Urban Meyer and his wife a phone call. I've read Shelley Meyer wasn't a fan of Gainesville, FL.
With all of that said, I hear Gregg Marshall and Scott Drew are GREAT coaches, much better than Archie and would be a much better fit in Gainesville than Arch.
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I am concerned if Donovan leaves for OKC that Arch is gone.
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Sports Illustrated published this list of potential Donovan replacements last July, so take it for what is worth. Archie and Marshall are not on the list.
- Shaka Smart (he's obviously out)
- Kevin Ollie (wouldn't think so but who knows)
- Anthony Grant (interesting since he's now a UF assistant & friends with AD)
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- Josh Pastner
- Andy Enfield
- John Pelphry (Florida assistant)
- Matt McCall (likely out as he was hired 2 weeks ago as Chatanooga HC)
- Chris Caputo (Miami assistant)
Article: http://www.si.com/college-basketball...l-replacements
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I said when Archie was hired that I hope he's gone in five years. That was nothing to do with him personally, and was only because it meant had achieved enough to move on quickly.
I hope that doesn't turn our to be true
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I'm a UF Gator... grad school major ... Gainesville is a big campus. It is not upscale like Sean has in Arizona. It is not cosmopolitan. It is a small town with a huge college and suburbs and strip malls.
I'm not dreaming on going back to live there.
As a student ... we talked about the best thing about Gainesville was ... it was hours from Gulf and Atlantic. On week ends students left town.
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Sports Illustrated published this list of potential Donovan replacements last July, so take it for what is worth. Archie and Marshall are not on the list.
- Shaka Smart (he's obviously out)
- Kevin Ollie (wouldn't think so but who knows)
- Anthony Grant (interesting since he's now a UF assistant & friends with AD)
- Richard Pitino
- Josh Pastner
- Andy Enfield
- John Pelphry (Florida assistant)
- Matt McCall (likely out as he was hired 2 weeks ago as Chatanooga HC)
- Chris Caputo (Miami assistant)
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For Arch not to be on that list at all is laughable. Sports Illustrated has reached the bottom on their subject matter and their so called "swimsuit" issue.
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You can be assured Archie is on all their lists now. He heads some I would bet. If he is offered and doesn't take it, I still wouldn't put much into it. I believe a job will present itself that he will accept in the next two to three years. I think it is a solid bet he is gone after three years. Then it will be, "farewell Archie, we barely knew ye" It will be a sad day for sure.
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You can be assured Archie is on all their lists now. He heads some I would bet. If he is offered and doesn't take it, I still wouldn't put much into it. I believe a job will present itself that he will accept in the next two to three years. I think it is a solid bet he is gone after three years. Then it will be, "farewell Archie, we barely knew ye" It will be a sad day for sure.
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For Arch not to be on that list at all is laughable. Sports Illustrated has reached the bottom on their subject matter and their so called "swimsuit" issue.
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Possible that they know something that we don't - like Archie has told someone in no uncertain terms that he is not leaving this year - period?
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Originally Posted by CE80
Possible that they know something that we don't - like Archie has told someone in no uncertain terms that he is not leaving this year - period?
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Based on the timing of that list, I think it's more likely he wasn't viewed as experienced enough and that the E8 may have been an aberration. Last season erased that for many in the national press.
There's no hiding now. Archie is a legitimate national contender for almost any opening. What we experienced at the beginning of this off season is the new reality and will be as long as we are successful and Archie is here.
There is a level of anxiety every off season. Better this than can we get to a winning season.
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Originally Posted by CE80
Possible that they know something that we don't - like Archie has told someone in no uncertain terms that he is not leaving this year - period?
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I wouldn't give SI that much credit, but I do believe that is a possibility. Technically all requests go through Wabler, and possibly he & Arch have a pact.
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Here's my take -- I think Archie is so focused on Dayton and very happy, so he's not entertaining other jobs. He's more than happy to agree to extensions, because he is just focused on Dayton. But I am sure he knows that he doesn't have to look for other opportunities. Other ADs, or representatives of schools, will hunt him down. And he may get offered a job he can't refuse. But I think he's not looking for it, not now at least. My guess is that Archie feels the timing isn't right to leave now. That said, there's always danger in him being made that offer he can't refuse, knowing that particular opportunity won't come around again. Don't know if Florida would be that offer if it came. Maybe.
From the sound of things, Ohio State's job might be opening up in a year or two with Thad's health, and that timing might be more what Archie has in mind. With as close as Archie and Thad are, I think Archie probably knows what Thad's intentions are as well as anyone, whether it matters or not.
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He may leave, he may not. Is it that inconceivable that he stays as long as Dayton will keep him around? Archie isn't blind - he sees coaches 'move up' and then get fired all the time. At Dayton, he can stay in one spot his whole career, compete at a high level without the worry of being fired due to a stretch of 3 or 4 bad seasons, and be a legend. If Dayton pays him a ton, money doesn't have to be an issue.
Not saying he will stay forever. But money doesn't have to be an issue. It could be. Level of competition doesn't have to be an issue. It could be. And if legacy is what he wants, staying at Dayton is the best place for that.
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There's a reason for that I won't go into here, but let's just say it wasn't the weather.
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Why can't we just take Archie for his word when he says "I like it here".
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Why can't we just take Archie for his word when he says "I like it here".
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Because, we are all like the guy that gets the girl we never thought we would get. Once we have her we drive her away with jealous antics proving we were never good enough. Rather than accepting and enjoying what we have we would prefer to drive her away so that we can say I told you so.
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Originally Posted by cralford
Because, we are all like the guy that gets the girl we never thought we would get. Once we have her we drive her away with jealous antics proving we were never good enough. Rather than accepting and enjoying what we have we would prefer to drive her away so that we can say I told you so.
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maybe some but not all
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I should have said the naysayers rather than all. I think most of us are just enjoying this baby
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Why can't we just take Archie for his word when he says "I like it here".
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I think he would leave for his alma mater in a heart beat. Other than that I am not so sure.
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Originally Posted by Medford
How do you know for sure? There are not all that many coaches coaching where they played. Coach K left Army, Thad left Butler, Billy D never took the Providence job, etc... He may leave UD for it, but if its not where he wants to be long term, and he feels confident where he wants to be long term will be available in the next couple of seasons, it wouldn't be wise to move and have to start somewhere where things are likely "down"
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He played for NC State. NC State is in a better conference. His wife was a student-athlete at that same school. I assume they have resources to offer more money. If he didn't take that job, he should have his head examined. Here end of story.
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode
He played for NC State. NC State is in a better conference. His wife was a student-athlete at that same school. I assume they have resources to offer more money. If he didn't take that job, he should have his head examined. Here end of story.
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Plus he knows how they did his friend Herb Sendeck at NCState too
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Originally Posted by Buster Goode
He played for NC State. NC State is in a better conference. His wife was a student-athlete at that same school. I assume they have resources to offer more money. If he didn't take that job, he should have his head examined. Here end of story.
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I am just not convinced...compete with Duke, UNC, Louisville, Syracuse...haven't been really big since Valvano...ran out Sendek...sort of 3 strikes.
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Does anyone know what type of relationship Archie has with Don Donoher? I wonder what type of advice Don would give to Archie, given that Don's coaching path is somewhat different in that he has roots in the area, basically never left his alma mater and only had one coaching job in his career, and is now a hall of fame coach?
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I still would not discount the hometown team. One brother goes away while the other stays near home.... is not an unlikely scenario imo. Dad is getting older and because Pitt is the hometown team I only see a bit of irony with it being brother Sean's alma mater. Jamie Dixon would seem ripe for the picking and I could see Archie being that target. They complete the northern Bermuda triangle for me consisting of Pitt, tOSU, and NC ST. as the most likely (threatening) destinations. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up farther away from home than Sean. This coming season is viewed as a double-edged sword by some because the better we do the more attention Archie gets. Another E8 and this place will be crawling with trolls. One thing is for sure in my mind, if and when he leaves the program will be in better shape than when any previous UD coach vacated the position. Go Flyers
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Originally Posted by FLYER5
I still would not discount the hometown team. One brother goes away while the other stays near home.... is not an unlikely scenario imo. Dad is getting older and because Pitt is the hometown team I only see a bit of irony with it being brother Sean's alma mater. Jamie Dixon would seem ripe for the picking and I could see Archie being that target. They complete the northern Bermuda triangle for me consisting of Pitt, tOSU, and NC ST. as the most likely (threatening) destinations. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up farther away from home than Sean. This coming season is viewed as a double-edged sword by some because the better we do the more attention Archie gets. Another E8 and this place will be crawling with trolls. One thing is for sure in my mind, if and when he leaves the program will be in better shape than when any previous UD coach vacated the position. Go Flyers
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My gut feeling is when Matta steps down Archie is the top choice at the Scarlet and Gray and takes the job
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My gut feeling is when Matta steps down Archie is the top choice at the Scarlet and Gray and takes the job
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If UD was proactive, they would offer Thad a lifetime supply of free acupuncture and chiropractic services...
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I love my job but if someone comes offering a better package financially with more perks im Outta here. Now if i was older and near the end of my career I would stay. But right now Archie is still to young to pass up a great opportunity at a true blue blood school
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Looks like Florida could be looking for a coach if OKC wants Donovan...
Almost everyone I have spoken to close to Billy Donovan believes he will take the OKC job -- if/when it's offered.
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Donovan: Also understand this could come down to family decision. Does wife want to go to OKC, son is h.s. senior, has younger daughter.
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Originally Posted by FLYER5
I still would not discount the hometown team. One brother goes away while the other stays near home.... is not an unlikely scenario imo. Dad is getting older and because Pitt is the hometown team I only see a bit of irony with it being brother Sean's alma mater. Jamie Dixon would seem ripe for the picking and I could see Archie being that target. They complete the northern Bermuda triangle for me consisting of Pitt, tOSU, and NC ST. as the most likely (threatening) destinations. I also wouldn't be at all surprised if he ends up farther away from home than Sean. This coming season is viewed as a double-edged sword by some because the better we do the more attention Archie gets. Another E8 and this place will be crawling with trolls. One thing is for sure in my mind, if and when he leaves the program will be in better shape than when any previous UD coach vacated the position. Go Flyers
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Maybe it helps keep Archie away from Pitt since they just hired as their new A.D. the infamous 2015 Selection Committee Chair Scott Barnes. Tough to work for a guy who tried to keep your well-deserving team out of The Dance. This is only half tongue-in-cheek btw. Is there an icon for that?
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This is only half tongue-in-cheek btw. Is there an icon for that?
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I like how the same thing is said over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over on this thread. here is my thought: Archies going to OSU, Archies going to Pitt Archies going to NC State,Archie has said he likes it here,Archie will see thru the Scooch,KP,KD class. Also i think we should play Wright State on MLK day. CBS would pick that game up. Sometimes this board reminds me of "700WLW guy" Fire Marvin! Fire Dusty! Get someone better! "We should trade Brandon Phillips and Homer Bailey for Mike Trout"
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I don't know if that is all sarcasm but anyhow I like how you said it over again. Everything you said I agree with, except the part about playing teams that would have the potential impact to keep us from dancing. By not scheduling teams that will allow us to waller through the bottom-feeders in the A-10 and still impress The Committee enough for a bid. UD was the last team in the tourney last season. It should serve as a reminder what will happen if we schedule bad teams in the future.
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Wake me when we sign a player this spring/summer. The kid wouldn't sign at this point if he had any thought Arch was leaving soon.
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Originally Posted by FLYER5
I don't know if that is all sarcasm but anyhow I like how you said it over again. Everything you said I agree with, except the part about playing teams that would have the potential impact to keep us from dancing. By not scheduling teams that will allow us to waller through the bottom-feeders in the A-10 and still impress The Committee enough for a bid. UD was the last team in the tourney last season. It should serve as a reminder what will happen if we schedule bad teams in the future.
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Perhaps if we had beaten the Dukes and Explorers at the end of the regular season there would not be any doubt about making the dance.
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Hey, this is true. But that doesn't justify scheduling ooc patsies. Perhaps we shouldn't get upset on the road like every other team in the ncaa. Plus those teams you mentioned have been on a downslide. They've been competitive in the current five-year span. They are way above the team mentioned still. If you look through conference standings you will surely find where the doormats in leagues have upsets of top teams in their respective conferences among their few wins. It almost always happens. Couple that with the stat that more than 75% of home teams win. I'm not making excuses I'm just trying to rationalize the situation and prepare you for more road upsets this upcoming season. And every year following.
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Originally Posted by FLYER5
I don't know if that is all sarcasm but anyhow I like how you said it over again. Everything you said I agree with, except the part about playing teams that would have the potential impact to keep us from dancing. By not scheduling teams that will allow us to waller through the bottom-feeders in the A-10 and still impress The Committee enough for a bid. UD was the last team in the tourney last season. It should serve as a reminder what will happen if we schedule bad teams in the future.
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it was sarcasm from start to finsih. Especially the Wright State nonsense.
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I thought it was all sarcasm at first but when I reread I talked myself out of it when you started using the word "I" mid-paragraph. Should've stayed on but you threw me off the merry-go-round.
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Interesting that ESPN rated Miller an A hire in 2011. Nice call on a 32 year old with no head coaching experience!
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Georgia Tech's coaching hire got a D. Is this writer the best at seeing the future or what?
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The guy ran an offense that included Devin Searcy and Kurt Huelsman repeatedly catching the ball in the weave offense 30 feet from the hoop....the hire deserved an F. Great defensive coach, great toughness guy. Rebounding,defense and recruiting were his HUGE plusses, Offense,free throws and his player development were equal detriments.
Average coach. Great guy. I truly hope this dude heads back to East Lansing as an Associate Head Coach and enjoys the success he can contribute too.
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Originally Posted by cralford
Because, we are all like the guy that gets the girl we never thought we would get. Once we have her we drive her away with jealous antics proving we were never good enough. Rather than accepting and enjoying what we have we would prefer to drive her away so that we can say I told you so.
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Some folks lack of moral fiber, low self esteem, etc. and these views are inferred on Archie. Some folks get it and some don't understand the Renaissance man.
Some folks need to understand that the big jobs come with big social requirements. You have to meet, greet, and kiss ass of the big donors. Archie looks at this and cringes. Some folks might like this but Archie is not one of them. Watch his TV show, if you are a donor and attends Dr. Levitt's picnic you will know what I'm talking about.
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This thread is an Archie Rumors thread?
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Eli Carter, a Florida player, is transferring. I can't help but wonder if he knows something that the public does not know. TFWIW
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Eli Carter, a Florida player, is transferring. I can't help but wonder if he knows something that the public does not know. TFWIW
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I doubt it. Kid committed to St. Bona, went to Rutgers, them transferred to Florida. Since high school he will have played for or committed to 4 colleges and a prep school. In high school he played for Bobby Hurley, so look for him to end up at ASU. Although, once upon a time, in his Brewster Prep days, Dayton actually recruited Eli Carter.
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I heard Archie actually took an afternoon off from working and cracked a smile one day last week.
OK, so I made that up, but at least I am more on topic than most of the posts!
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This is not a rumor. On Sunday night, Archie was inducted into the Beaver County Hall of Fame.
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Some folks need to understand that the big jobs come with big social requirements. You have to meet, greet, and kiss ass of the big donors. Archie looks at this and cringes. Some folks might like this but Archie is not one of them. Watch his TV show, if you are a donor and attends Dr. Levitt's picnic you will know what I'm talking about.
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So does this mean that Archie might look at UD as a better long term fit for him personally? Great facilities, great fan base/support, great financial package, great administration support, ability to recruit successfully, ability to win at a high level, AND, less pressure to "press the flesh" and make public appearances than would be required at any power 5 conference school?
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Archie has said that UD gave him a chance when his record was 0-0. IMO that means a lot to him and hopefully it means that if/when he leaves it won't be all about the money but about what is in his heart.
If you are making 7 figures is doubling going to impact any lifestyle choices?
Interesting in looking at his brother. He left X for Arizona and more money, has he gotten closer to a national championship in his time at UofA then he did at XU?
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Archie has said that UD gave him a chance when his record was 0-0. IMO that means a lot to him and hopefully it means that if/when he leaves it won't be all about the money but about what is in his heart.
If you are making 7 figures is doubling going to impact any lifestyle choices?
Interesting in looking at his brother. He left X for Arizona and more money, has he gotten closer to a national championship in his time at UofA then he did at XU?
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What’s in his heart = his wife and kids. For a basketball coach who eats, sleeps, breathes basketball, lifestyle may not change much. Does 2 million vs 4 million change things? To a coach's wife, maybe she says, "honey, you can retire earlier."
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I think if you were to double anyone's lifestyle, it impacts their life, or at least their opportunities. From retiring much earlier, to setting up his children for life financially, to philanthropic endeavors, to perhaps carving out a spot for some possession he's always dreamed of, but always figured would be truly out of reach, etc... None of us really have any idea what is in Archie's head and heart, sure he says all the right things, but so do most coaches, so I've learned to take that with a grain of salt. The far better test is how long his name is mentioned with various job openings. For the near future, his name will always crop up anytime there is a power 5 opening from the various media types. However, if it never makes it past that stage, that means that Archie himself isn't taking the phone calls or politely declining the interest from other schools. That is what you've seen each of the last 2 off seasons, lots of media mentions, but never anything beyond those early mentions which would indicate that neither Archie nor his agent are listening to any offers. Perhaps an opening at Florida would change that, perhaps Archie has a list of schools that he would entertain, and has no interest in anything beyond that small list.
Retire early? I'd be shocked if Archie ever, voluntarily retired early for anything beyond health reasons. The guy is a complete gym rat, and he strikes me as the type who would never be happy doing anything other than coaching basketball, especially now that he's tasted a certain level of success, and solidified a darn fine salary that will have him living comfortably as long as he likes.
Is Sean closer to a title? On court success would say he's basically gone roughly the same distance as he did at Xavier, however, he's brought in national, top 25 type recruits, he's got what some consider to be the 2nd or 3rd best class this year. He's raised the talent level that he's competing with, but he's also had to deal with a bunch of 1 & dones, he's yet to have the David West type guy who sticks around 4 seasons and is the glue to a lot of success before becoming a lottery pick in the NBA. Has that all been worth it to him? Living further away from his roots, spending the summer in the hot dessert sun, in a dry, arid climate? Who knows, the paycheck is bigger, the opportunity is bigger, but neither guarantee success or personal happiness.
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I have heard that AM is not nearly as "warm and fuzzy" as BG was. BG was as nice and genuine as any person could ever be under that kind of daily pressure cooker. I've heard that AM just doesn't really enjoy the small talk with uneducated schmucks like most of us. And for that, who could blame him.
Maybe he's got a little Bobby Knight in him and can see through the people who just want a piece of the action / politics and UD has agreed to protect him from that stuff? That might be worth a few $$ to a guy with a certain personality.
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I do find it interesting that the team that has taken out UofA each of the last 2 years is one that for the most part does it with 4 year players that were not top recruits coming out of HS.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
Archie has said that UD gave him a chance when his record was 0-0. IMO that means a lot to him and hopefully it means that if/when he leaves it won't be all about the money but about what is in his heart.
If you are making 7 figures is doubling going to impact any lifestyle choices?
Interesting in looking at his brother. He left X for Arizona and more money, has he gotten closer to a national championship in his time at UofA then he did at XU?
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It meant an awful lot more when they gave him another chance with 1-5 A10 record in Jan 2014..
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BG was the CEO of the Dayton Flyers Basketball Program - liked the bright lights, the recognition, the community outreach, etc. AM is more like the COO who stays behind the scenes and works his butt off to deliver on what the CEO ( Wabler CEO of Athletic Deprtment) has envisioned. He just wants to win basketball games and help his players e successful. I will take an AM type person every single time!
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Agree.
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I have heard that AM is not nearly as "warm and fuzzy" as BG was. BG was as nice and genuine as any person could ever be under that kind of daily pressure cooker. I've heard that AM just doesn't really enjoy the small talk with uneducated schmucks like most of us. And for that, who could blame him.
Maybe he's got a little Bobby Knight in him and can see through the people who just want a piece of the action / politics and UD has agreed to protect him from that stuff? That might be worth a few $$ to a guy with a certain personality.
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Archie is more totally focused on the task. I've read nothing that says he is unapproachable. He simply has had his plate full with all that has gone on. I mean really, W's pay a lot better than "warm and fuzzy" ever will.
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It's really more of a case of an Introvert vs. an Extrovert.
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Mark Few of Gonzaga gives us hope that there is a chance.......
Does anyone think Sean would throw his brother a bone and agree to a 2 for 1 after next year if(when) we make the Dance next year?
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3
Mark Few of Gonzaga gives us hope that there is a chance.......
Does anyone think Sean would throw his brother a bone and agree to a 2 for 1 after next year if(when) we make the Dance next year?
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No I don't. Neither want to play each other if they don't have to. The last thing they would want to do is agree to do so for the next three years.
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Billy Donovan in talks with the Thunder today.
"Donovan's Gators just endured a 16-17 season in which they failed to qualify for postseason play for only the second time in his 19-year Florida career. Sources say he has grown weary of the college recruiting grind, which apparently has increased his interest in jumping to the NBA."
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Billy Donovan in talks with the Thunder today.
"Donovan's Gators just endured a 16-17 season in which they failed to qualify for postseason play for only the second time in his 19-year Florida career. Sources say he has grown weary of the college recruiting grind, which apparently has increased his interest in jumping to the NBA."
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http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/12...ching-position
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UF basketball message boards not quite waking up yet (it is, after all, spring football season), though the few gator fans talking bball definitely want Archie or Marshall. Some are suggesting that Grant was brought onboard in case Donovan bolted. I don't agree, with Pelphrey already sitting on their bench.
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If Donovan bolts to the NBA, at the very least Grant can serve as an interim head coach for a season until their #1 candidate becomes available...
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My guess IF Donovan goes, Grant will go with him to the NBA. Pelphrey will get interviewed for the job, but Florida will also extend feelers to both Archie and Gregg Marshall.
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If Marshall turned down Alabama I doubt he has an interest in Florida.
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Although, when I actually look at it, Grant seems like a MUCH better hire than Pelphrey. Maybe they'd both get interviewed...
Grant's record as head coach of Alabama in 6 seasons - 117-85. Overall, his coaching record was 193-110.
Pelphrey's record as head coach of Arkansas in 4 seasons - 69 - 59. Overall, his coaching record was 149-126.
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass
If Marshall turned down Alabama I doubt he has an interest in Florida.
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It kind of seemed like Marshall wanted to take it but his family nixed it. I think Florida is a better gig than Bama, and money should be the same. Doesn't change the fact that I think his kids want to finish high school where they are (they were tweeting to basketball pundits), but I can definitely see Marshall wanting the Florida gig if he can convince his family.
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Florida is all about Billy D and football money. There were nothing before he got there. Alabama was a really good basketball program back in the 70s and 80s when Newton and Sanderson were coaching. In the SEC everyone is going to play third fiddle to football and UK basketball. It's all about the money, which is almost always the case.
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