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ESPN AP poll shows us at 25 which is the only thing that really matters...this means SportsCenter highlights, more national exposure,etc.

I know it's discussed in the other thread, but with Lunardi having us as a 5 in today's bracketology and now 25 in AP poll...it's nice to get some national recognition on multiple fronts!

Plus Seth Davis calling a Dayton a 'Can't miss stock if there ever was one - Buy Now!'

http://www.si.com/college-basketball...-carolina-duke

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Please UD beat Umass and Lasalle this week and stay for 2 weeks in a row in the poll ... pretty please.
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Originally Posted by 224 View Post
ESPN AP poll shows us at 25 which is the only thing that really matters...this means SportsCenter highlights, more national exposure,etc.
Yeah, and I watch tons of games on ESPN, and I love seeing Dayton on the NCAAM top 25 scroll. And yes, please win the next two at least.
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ESPN AP poll shows us at 25 which is the only thing that really matters...this means SportsCenter highlights, more national exposure,etc.

I know it's discussed in the other thread, but with Lunardi having us as a 5 in today's bracketology and now 25 in AP poll...it's nice to get some national recognition on multiple fronts!

Plus Seth Davis calling a Dayton a 'Can't miss stock if there ever was one - Buy Now!'

http://www.si.com/college-basketball...-carolina-duke
Okay, but doesn't ESPN use the Coaches Poll?? After all, isn't that why it is called the ESPN Coaches Poll? Am I missing something here?
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So for those with iPhones, try asking Siri "what is your favorite college basketball team?". You'll like the answer! (Note: you might have to ask Siri twice to get the "right" answer.

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I think ESPN shows the Coach's Poll, which we are 27.
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Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
or are they?

AP site lists UCLA #25.

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
This one is prettier:

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

The AP site often has errors, which is strange in that its the source, but it doesn't do a good job of translating it correctly.
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its the USA today coaches poll, ESPN uses the AP
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or are they?

AP site lists UCLA #25.

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
AP website changed #25 to your Dayton Flyers!!
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It seems to me that the return of Pierre has helped us move up in the polls.
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or are they?

AP site lists UCLA #25.

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
That was last week's poll, before ucla lost to wash st.
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Old 01-04-2016, 02:53 PM
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Most of the top 15 are clearly a cut above where we are in a decent performance on both sides (as of now).

We would have to play optimally to compete there, but the drop off after the first group is generally noticeable.

ESPN uses the AP poll..
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ESPN AP poll shows us at 25 which is the only thing that really matters...this means SportsCenter highlights, more national exposure,etc.

I know it's discussed in the other thread, but with Lunardi having us as a 5 in today's bracketology and now 25 in AP poll...it's nice to get some national recognition on multiple fronts!

Plus Seth Davis calling a Dayton a 'Can't miss stock if there ever was one - Buy Now!'

http://www.si.com/college-basketball...-carolina-duke
I have read several times about the Sweet 16 run last year. Did I miss something or is it that if you should have not been playing in the First Four but win that and your next game, it counts as a Sweet 16?
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AP website changed #25 to your Dayton Flyers!!
With the old logo as well.


Last year Sweet Sixteen.
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It is all good. But for the fact that from a points stand point, even though UD is 27 in Coaches Poll, we are no where near actually getting in the poll itself. Cal is in the 26 spot, but they have 52 points. So, close chronologically, but not very close in the minds of most coaches doing the voting.
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That is a good point, but in the AP poll we are #25 with 100 points and the #26 team Gonzaga has 61 points. So are we safely in? Not a chance. One loss before the next poll and we are out.
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Hopefully we can win the next few and stay ranked for the duration of the year...if we can get up to the mid to high teens, I think we may be able to take a loss and still stay ranked...seems like the most you drop after a loss is maybe 5? spots or so?

I thought we would have to wait until at least next week to get ranked...I'm real happy seeing the progress that we have made in the ESPN poll after going backwards 2 weeks in a row.

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I'm feeling good about our chances this week for some reason... maybe it's just time we actually win both games a week that we are ranked.
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There's a saying down here in Houston..."Oh, Lord, send us one more boom and we promise not to ****it away!
Seems we have a way of getting in the lime light and immediately stumble!
Anyway, we've a very favorable schedule next week and should maintain status-quo.
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I have read several times about the Sweet 16 run last year. Did I miss something or is it that if you should have not been playing in the First Four but win that and your next game, it counts as a Sweet 16?
Everyone forgets UD's 2 wins last year did not put the Flyers in the Sweet 16. Something I never correct :-)
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This is a good week to be ranked. A home game against a low to mid tier team and a road one vs probably one of the bottom 3 teams in the conference. If we can't manage to get two wins then we are definitely not a top 25 team by any means. We should win these games. Still nervous since we have an awful history with being ranked, but I am optimistic.
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To depress all of you, according to sagarin and kenpom, about a 70% shot to win both games.
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Everyone forgets UD's 2 wins last year did not put the Flyers in the Sweet 16. Something I never correct :-)
Yep, I have heard or read our "sweet sixteen" mentioned at least three times by national media so far this year. The first time I thought they were shortchanging us for 2014, but then the guy named the Boise St and Providence games.
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Is that 70% for each, or 705 to win both??
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Hopefully we can win the next few and stay ranked for the duration of the year...if we can get up to the mid to high teens, I think we may be able to take a loss and still stay ranked...seems like the most you drop after a loss is maybe 5? spots or so?
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It's not a level playing field. We get punished disproportionately for a loss. Especially if we lose the game on the weekend before the vote. A Wednesday loss might be canceled partially by a Saturday win.
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Is that 70% for each, or 705 to win both??
70% to win both.
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AP is the one that gets us scrolled on ESPN, so it is the most important toward publicity.
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So if urban legend prevails, now that we are ranked, we will lose to UMass?
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That was last week's poll, before ucla lost to wash st.
I thought wins and losses don't matter with UCLA, it all about the eye test.
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This is a good week to be ranked. A home game against a low to mid tier team and a road one vs probably one of the bottom 3 teams in the conference. If we can't manage to get two wins then we are definitely not a top 25 team by any means. We should win these games. Still nervous since we have an awful history with being ranked, but I am optimistic.
Everyone acts like UD loses due to pressure of being in top 25(not saying you, but I felt it was a good post to respond to). IMO that's not the case. What is the case is that for the Flyers to get ranked, they have to be on a decent winning streak. All winning streaks end at some time and it's usually due to end when the Flyers get ranked. Last year, I don't consider the Davidson a choke, I consider it a bad mismatch in a road game. The other times we lost when we've been upset, it really was a matter of the Flyers not being as good as they were ranked at the time.

To remain in the top 25, the Flyers will have to move into the teens before they lose and not lose too soon after that. Maybe this is the year, I have doubts because I don't think they're playing as well as they will be as the season goes on, but now would be a great time to step up their game.
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UCLA being ranked was laughable and the universe has righted itself in that regard. Even though I'm glad the local Gamecocks are doing well, their ranking is also a little absurd. They have played one of the worst schedules in college basketball to get to that gaudy but only 34 RPI-worthy 13-0. They haven't played a top-50 team much less beaten one. Their best win is a tie between a neutral court win over 85 Tulsa and 86 Hofstra.
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Everyone acts like UD loses due to pressure of being in top 25(not saying you, but I felt it was a good post to respond to). IMO that's not the case. What is the case is that for the Flyers to get ranked, they have to be on a decent winning streak. All winning streaks end at some time and it's usually due to end when the Flyers get ranked. Last year, I don't consider the Davidson a choke, I consider it a bad mismatch in a road game. The other times we lost when we've been upset, it really was a matter of the Flyers not being as good as they were ranked at the time.

To remain in the top 25, the Flyers will have to move into the teens before they lose and not lose too soon after that. Maybe this is the year, I have doubts because I don't think they're playing as well as they will be as the season goes on, but now would be a great time to step up their game.
No, I think we're mostly projecting the BG years onto this team. We got ranked by the usual formula, rack up a big record out of conference and then play our first couple conference games and. . . . 8-8.
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Top 20, or Top 25?

It's nice to have cracked the Top 25 in the AP poll. It's interesting to look at the vote tallies in both polls. For #1 to about #20 there is consensus, essentially, as reflected by the relatively small reduction in votes as one moves step-by-step down from #1.....that is until you get to about #20-21 in both polls. From that point on there is a sharp drop-off in votes received, indicating that there is much disagreement among voters re teams between about #20 and perhaps #35.

So, to be "secure" in the polls a team has to be ranked higher than about #20. A team that's #17, for example, can sustain a loss and still is likely to be ranked. If you're anywhere in the ~#21-#25 range and lose it's sayonara baby (at least for quite awhile).
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Some more good publicity. We are ranked 23rd in the Power Rankings.

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Originally Posted by hawkoooo View Post
UCLA being ranked was laughable and the universe has righted itself in that regard. Even though I'm glad the local Gamecocks are doing well, their ranking is also a little absurd. They have played one of the worst schedules in college basketball to get to that gaudy but only 34 RPI-worthy 13-0. They haven't played a top-50 team much less beaten one. Their best win is a tie between a neutral court win over 85 Tulsa and 86 Hofstra.
I posted a print out of the Top 25 outside my cube and was having this same discussion with my manager this morning. Don't get me wrong, I think it is great for Frank Martin and the state to have SC playing some good hoops, but it feels like we'll learn who the real Gamecocks are in SEC play.
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No, I think we're mostly projecting the BG years onto this team. We got ranked by the usual formula, rack up a big record out of conference and then play our first couple conference games and. . . . 8-8.
That's somewhat true, but let's not forget, it's happened a couple times in the AM era also. The problem is, once we crack it and then lose, a good record in A10 play doesn't get us back. It's going to be that way even more so this season as we just don't have the Xavier, Butlers, Temples and Shaka Smart VCUs to impress with.

The Flyers are going to have to take care of business for the next 2 weeks (and I mean zero losses) to get a stable position in the rankings.
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Originally Posted by Smitty10 View Post
That's somewhat true, but let's not forget, it's happened a couple times in the AM era also.
Recent AP history:

2009-2010: ranked preseason + week 1, lost in San Juan and never were ranked again. Won the NIT. This was BG.

2010-2011: got a couple votes early in the season and that's it. First round NIT loss.

2013-2014: Ranked in the December 2nd poll, lost on the road to Illinois State. Not ranked for the remainder of the year.

2014-2015: Ranked on the January 19th poll. Lost to Davidson January 20th. Not ranked again for the remainder of the year.

2015-2016: Ranked in the January 4th poll. Next game . . . ???

So, it's happened a couple of times to AM as well.

EDIT: Read the link I was using wrong!!

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Originally Posted by Gazoo View Post
Recent AP history:

2009-2010: ranked preseason + week 1, lost in San Juan and never were ranked again. Won the NIT. This was BG.

2010-2011: got a couple votes early in the season and that's it. First round NIT loss.

2013-2014: Ranked in the December 2nd poll, lost on the road to Illinois State. Not ranked for the remainder of the year.

2014-2015: Ranked on the January 19th poll. Lost to Davidson January 20th. Not ranked again for the remainder of the year.

2015-2016: Ranked in the January 4th poll. Next game . . . ???

So, it's happened a couple of times to AM as well.

EDIT: Read the link I was using wrong!!
One thing that history says about the Flyers is that their most successful seasons have started out in a funk and gradually turned into great tournament runs. This isn't a coincidence as the teams that peak in March are the teams that get the glory. Teams like Ky, Kansas, NC, Mich St. UConn, etc over the years can afford to start out in a funk because they start out at the top of the polls. Now the word "funk" is relative. Sometimes it's losing just one or two games when you're a powerhouse.

This season the Flyers have been handed a golden opportunity. While I wouldn't call the start of the season a "funk", I will say they have lots of room for improvement and can follow that script of peaking in March. The opportunity is the schedule. They can do all this while being ranked in January because their schedule looks to be getting easier as the season moves on. This allows them not to play their best ball while still winning and climbing through the polls.
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Iowa St lost by 4 at Oklahoma and dropped 3 spots in the ESPN Power Rank???
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Really don't remember too many recent funky starts. I do recall good starts and poor in conference play though.
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For those of you interested, see how each AP top 25 voter ranked (or did not rank) Dayton.

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This is great info. Thanks for posting the link.

27 sports journalists ranking UD from as high as 17 (2 journalists) to a low of 25. 38 sports journalists not ranking UD. It's not half the voters, but I think it shows a lot of respect for the program. We know the team has a lot of work to do and needs to be more consistent, but like someone else noted in another thread, who of the unranked teams should be ahead of Dayton?

I also like that there are 3 West Coast journalist in that group of 27 ranking UD. Nice to see coast-to-coast respect.

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@BeckyTXA,

Im really starting to respect you as a good poster and almost always a really good read. I can only assume you are of the fairer sex, making your posts and your knowledge even more impressive. not meaning to sound chauvinistic at all, just letting you know to keep up the great reads.
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Must say that this is the ugliest UD top 25 team I can remember. After Vandy we have been atrocious but winning and bound to get better as the season progresses. Once DP and the other flyers settle in we should be a lot better. Even on bad nights the flyers find the mustard to gut it out for the "W". As the saying goes, "better to win ugly than lose pretty".
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@BeckyTXA,

Im really starting to respect you as a good poster and almost always a really good read. I can only assume you are of the fairer sex, making your posts and your knowledge even more impressive. not meaning to sound chauvinistic at all, just letting you know to keep up the great reads.
Becky is a royal Goddess. She's dominated the VB site for years and we're fortunate she's posting more on the men's bball threads...in fact, 99% of what I know about VB I learned from her.

And who knows...It may not be long until she becomes the 2nd female member of the Royal Roundtable...
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I thought the "U" and the "D" were official roundtable members; pretty sure they were female, no adam apples on those gals
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Noticed this afternoon that ESPN was not showing the Dayton game when they scrolled the top 25 games. It is listed on the website.
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Sort of took a beating in both polls, but not as bad as I thought it would be...#36, 1 point in AP poll...#33, 5 points in coaches' poll...so, honestly, if they put together a winning streak, I can see them climbing back into being ranked.
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Sort of took a beating in both polls, but not as bad as I thought it would be...#36, 1 point in AP poll...#33, 5 points in coaches' poll...so, honestly, if they put together a winning streak, I can see them climbing back into being ranked.
The question is "how long of winning streak?". And once that winning streak is reached, they need to add about 3 more to it to stay.
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Mid to upper 30's is about right. Accept for occasional, and brief, pops into the lower levels of the top 25, we are about where we have been over the years, given that we are having decent years. Appears we can't handle success rankings wise.
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Mid to upper 30's is about right. Accept for occasional, and brief, pops into the lower levels of the top 25, we are about where we have been over the years, given that we are having decent years. Appears we can't handle success rankings wise.
And unfortunately its not just the mens basketball program. Seems all the programs at UD once ranked, tank. Only our two elite 8 runs were successful because there were no pre tourney rankings and we were the hunter and did darn well.

Will more than likely take a 10 year success pattern before the coaches, players etc can handle being the hunted.
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Unfortunately, based on what I've seen so far we are going to lose at least another 5 games in conference even with what looks like a favorable schedule and unlikely to sniff the top 25 unless things really change. We are out of cupcakes as almost every conference game is a legitimate contest and have 8 games on the road. We don't have the offensive firepower to put many teams away. We are really not a good outside shooting team with only CC being reliable. Normally we start three guys who can barely shoot from the outside at all in KP, KD and Big Steve. Our current record contains a lot of luck, see Miami. Even the Vandy win was a miracle comeback. We let teams go on too many big runs and we let them hang around, allowing some games to get away.

On defense we are often weak against penetrators, and virtually impotent without Big Steve who has clear foul issues. Our penchant for playing inexperienced subs together for too long also a recipe for disaster. Seems an opportunity to see what Arch can do with coaching. Something has to change or we are sweating again on Selection Sunday.

Perhaps a poll on remaining wins is in order.
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Perhaps a poll on remaining wins is in order.
I think I will just settle for watching the games and seeing what happens.
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Unfortunately, based on what I've seen so far we are going to lose at least another 5 games in conference even with what looks like a favorable schedule and unlikely to sniff the top 25 unless things really change. We are out of cupcakes as almost every conference game is a legitimate contest and have 8 games on the road. We don't have the offensive firepower to put many teams away. We are really not a good outside shooting team with only CC being reliable. Normally we start three guys who can barely shoot from the outside at all in KP, KD and Big Steve. Our current record contains a lot of luck, see Miami. Even the Vandy win was a miracle comeback. We let teams go on too many big runs and we let them hang around, allowing some games to get away.

On defense we are often weak against penetrators, and virtually impotent without Big Steve who has clear foul issues. Our penchant for playing inexperienced subs together for too long also a recipe for disaster. Seems an opportunity to see what Arch can do with coaching. Something has to change or we are sweating again on Selection Sunday.

Perhaps a poll on remaining wins is in order.
With that kind insight into the future available, I don't understand why we have to wait until mid March to pick the field.

Can you give us what you saw 2 years ago when we started conference play 1-5? An elite eight team I'm sure, right? I mean, we weren't getting any help from our big men, and our freshman weren't hardly contributing at all. Sibert's 3 point shooting wasn't at what was advertised and Pierre was shooting 3s like KD. Oliver's only clutch 3 pointer in 4 years was a luck shot off the glass. Our high heralded transfer from Georgetown was only good enough to come off the bench and our point guard didn't give us many assists or points.
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
Unfortunately, based on what I've seen so far we are going to lose at least another 5 games in conference even with what looks like a favorable schedule and unlikely to sniff the top 25 unless things really change. We are out of cupcakes as almost every conference game is a legitimate contest and have 8 games on the road. We don't have the offensive firepower to put many teams away. We are really not a good outside shooting team with only CC being reliable. Normally we start three guys who can barely shoot from the outside at all in KP, KD and Big Steve. Our current record contains a lot of luck, see Miami. Even the Vandy win was a miracle comeback. We let teams go on too many big runs and we let them hang around, allowing some games to get away.

On defense we are often weak against penetrators, and virtually impotent without Big Steve who has clear foul issues. Our penchant for playing inexperienced subs together for too long also a recipe for disaster. Seems an opportunity to see what Arch can do with coaching. Something has to change or we are sweating again on Selection Sunday.

Perhaps a poll on remaining wins is in order.
Maddog, you are becoming the Mr Negative of the Men and Women's basketball sites. The cups are still half full at this early point of the season.
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Maddog, you are becoming the Mr Negative of the Men and Women's basketball sites. The cups are still half full at this early point of the season.
While Maddog may be considered Mr. Negative by some, nothing is his post is untrue.
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Originally Posted by maddog07 View Post
Unfortunately, based on what I've seen so far we are going to lose at least another 5 games in conference even with what looks like a favorable schedule and unlikely to sniff the top 25 unless things really change. We are out of cupcakes as almost every conference game is a legitimate contest and have 8 games on the road. We don't have the offensive firepower to put many teams away. We are really not a good outside shooting team with only CC being reliable. Normally we start three guys who can barely shoot from the outside at all in KP, KD and Big Steve. Our current record contains a lot of luck, see Miami. Even the Vandy win was a miracle comeback. We let teams go on too many big runs and we let them hang around, allowing some games to get away.

On defense we are often weak against penetrators, and virtually impotent without Big Steve who has clear foul issues. Our penchant for playing inexperienced subs together for too long also a recipe for disaster. Seems an opportunity to see what Arch can do with coaching. Something has to change or we are sweating again on Selection Sunday.

Perhaps a poll on remaining wins is in order.
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While Maddog may be considered Mr. Negative by some, nothing is his post is untrue.
I agree. It is all opinion, so neither true or untrue.
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While Maddog may be considered Mr. Negative by some, nothing is his post is untrue.
Yet. That 5 more losses thing could turn out to be. If he had put an "I predict" in front of it, he would've covered himself.
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Dayton tied for 27th with Clemson in Coaches Poll with 29 points. #25 USC has 103 points.

Dayton 31st in AP poll with 9 points. #25 Indiana has 210 points.

Dayton #28 in the Massey Composite rankings, a synthesis of 38 computer ratings including RPI, BPI, Sagarin, and Pomeroy.
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Speaking of Clemson, they were 263rd in the RPI following their disastrous non-conference schedule... strength of schedule was something like 335, and they still only went 7-5 against it.

After 5 straight ACC wins, including 3 home wins against top-25 teams, their RPI is up to 88 and they are listed as second team out in bracketology while also being #27 in both polls.
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From the 'And where are they now?' files . . .

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Teams of Note:

10 Wichita State (Orlando)
18 Vanderbilt
19 Notre Dame (Orlando)
23 Purdue (Scrimmage)

37 Rhode Island (17 pts)
38 UD (12 pts)
39 Xavier (12 pts)
41 Iowa (6 pts)

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll

5 Xavier L (underrated)
9 Iowa W (underrated)
22 Purdue (as expected)
28 Wichita St (injuries)
30 Notre Dame (overrated)
31 Dayton (as expected)
38 Monmouth W (underrated)
N/A Rhode Island (injuries), Vanderbilt W (overrated)

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5 Xavier L (underrated)
9 Iowa W (underrated)
22 Purdue (as expected)
28 Wichita St (injuries)
30 Notre Dame (overrated)
31 Dayton (as expected)
38 Monmouth W (underrated)
N/A Rhode Island (injuries), Vanderbilt W (overrated)

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UD back into Gary Parish' top 25 (and 1) as the (and 1)...

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...top-25-and-one

He's not an AP voter, but with his Poll attacks feature, I'm sure he's got more than one AP voter at least watching his top 25 & 1.
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Win the next one and maybe get ranked in the coaches' poll.
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24 Butler, 27 Clemson, and 20 Pitt all lost this week so far.

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#25 Southern California also lost yesterday, as pointed out by Glen in the Games of Note thread.
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Could be as many as 4 or 5 "new" teams in this weeks AP top 25.

Southern Cal is almost assuredly out, with 2 losses in the State of Oregon this week
S Carolina lost at Tennessee, and their weak OOC schedule had many doubters to start, I think its safe to say they drop out from #24

Purdue whacked OSU, but lost at Iowa, which means they'll likely loss some ground, but not a ton, may drop out from 22, or to the back of the AP top 25 to 24 or 25.

Duke lost to Syracuse earlier in the week, then righted the ship at NC State, I'm guessing name recognition keeps them in the top 25.

Butler lost twice, its a long way from 18, but they are now like 2-6 in the Big East, wouldn't shock me to see them fall out, their big OOC wins seem like forever ago

Taking their place(all from last week's Others receiving votes):

Notre Dame will almost assuredly jump back into the top 25.
Pitt won at FSU over the weekend, but dropped a home game to NC state earlier, I think they'll hold steady, just outside the top 25 range
Clemson only played once, losing at UVA. No shame there, but no real reason to bump them up if you are a voter. Pitt plays Clemson on Wednesday night, so if either team finds their way into the ranking, or remain at or near the OOC, one of them will get bumped back with a loss on Wednesday.
Wichita St; Van Fleet is back, they picked up a win at N Iowa, I think they jump back in now that they are healthy.
St Mary's won over Gonzaga, could be close to the top 25
Valpo lost across town, may not pick up any votes/points this week
Oregon picked up 2 solid home wins over the LA schools in the Pac12, they're going to be close.

Finally, Dayton; we know what they've done, picking up 2 solid road wins, neither of which will really resonate with the national voters as significant wins, but wins none the less.

ND & WSU should both jump back in for USC and USC.

Between Purdue, Duke & Butler, I'm guessing we see 2 of them drop out, neither Pitt nor Clemson would jump in, so I think Dayton & Oregon come in at #24 & #25 in some order, with Pitt, Clemson & St Mary's just outside the top 25, along with Purdue.

Guess we'll see around lunch. While UD was closer to being ranked in the coaches, I'm guessing it plays out pretty similar this week.
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You may have to wait for the first weekend of the NCAA tourney for that.
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I looked to into the AP/Coaches Polls release time, and I guess it is at 1:00 PM.

So in twenty minutes we'll find out if we're in or out by one or two in AP.
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26th in coaches poll

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i'm fine right there.

but did So Carolina and any other teams drop out???
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but did So Carolina and any other teams drop out???
Butler and USC both are gone
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Oregon over Dayton does not seem right, though not looking at a lot of numbers.
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Oregon over Dayton does not seem right, though not looking at a lot of numbers.
Oregon is 2-1 vs top 25 RPI and 7-2 vs top 50. That is better than Dayton and they play football, so there is that.
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Oregon is 2-1 vs top 25 RPI and 7-2 vs top 50. That is better than Dayton and they play football, so there is that.
Oregon is certainly legit, I have no problem being ranked behind them, I think they will continue to move up while teams like Pitt and South Carolina will drop out soon, both have played terribly weak schedules particularly out of conference.
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Oregon over Dayton does not seem right, though not looking at a lot of numbers.
They are pretty much even. Oregon is 7-2 vs UD 4-2 against rpi top 50. Oregon has 2 losses 59 and 116 against UD's 234 (LaSalle).
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I think Dayton 26-29 in AP based upon ballots tweeted.
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Duke, South Carolina, and Witcita St are the outliers in usatoday.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...on/DUKE/WICHST

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ison/DAYTON/SC
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South Carolina...HA! They haven't even PLAYED a top 50 team. Their best win is 63 Vanderbilt AT HOME. Their RPI is 18 spots below UD and their SOS is an abysmal 208.

Wichita State...HA! 1-2 vs the top 50. RPI 31 spots below UD and SOS at 98.

Pittsburgh...HA! Pretty much the same as WSU except no missing-star-player excuse.

Say all you want about how this is a blessing because we always blow it when we're ranked. Fine. That doesn't change the fact that those teams being ranked over Dayton is patently absurd.
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I like to look at where the polls put teams and where the bracketologists put them. I compared this coaches poll to Jerry Palm.

Indiana at 17 is a 7 seed meaning 25-28
Duke at 20 is a 7 seed also
SC at 22 is an 8 seed meaning 29-32
OR at 24 is actually a 4 seed 13-16
WSU at 24 is a 10 seed 37-40
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I like following the polls and like seeing the Flyers in as much as possible. All the talk about jinx is crap. And the fact that we are #26 in both is crap. Especially with ND and their 14-5, 34 SOS, 2-4 top 50 and Wich St and their 41 SOS and 1-3 top 50 both above us. Would love nothing more than facing either team in the dance.
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Calculating AP ranking by individual voters, it appears UD is #26 with 77 "points". (KYFlyer )

Dayton is on 26 voter's ballots, with a high of 18. (Mark Berman)
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Calculating AP ranking by individual voters, it appears UD is #26 with 77 "points". (KYFlyer )

Dayton is on 26 voter's ballots, with a high of 18. (Mark Berman)
I always liked Mark Berman. (Who does he write for?)
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I think Dayton got jobbed, we were 27th last week in the coaches poll. We were leapfrogged by somebody.
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WSU I get, all their troubles were early in the season with Van Fleet banged up and not playing (as well as a few other injuries) Now that they are healthy, they are playing like many thought they would (seeding come tournament time may be a different story, can't just assume they would have won games when they were out). I thought you'd see either Duke or Purdue drop out, but Purdue actually climbed up 1 spot.
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How about Grand Canyon getting 1 point?
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I always liked Mark Berman. (Who does he write for?)
http://www.roanoke.com/sports/column...10d88ab9f.html
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ND, Indiana and WSU will be interesting to watch.

I don't think either ND or Indiana neither did that well in road or neutral ooc games. I don't think either the big 10 or acc are as strong as they have been in the past and I don't think ND or Indiana have played the best teams in conference.

WSU had the injuries early but now are beating up on teams in the MVC.

All of these teams have good KenPom numbers and I have a feeling that many voters are using those numbers for a basis for their votes. I would bet some have a formula that combines KenPom and RPI then they use their own bias for finalize their ballot.
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Concerning the practicality of exposure and connected pleasure of ESPN scrolls with Dayton's name...

26th is almost zero fan fun

{next week}
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Norte Dame!?!,

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...ison/DAYTON/ND

Btw, both played Iowa, Monmouth, Alabama. ND 1-2 & Dayton 3-0.

ND's 3rd best win of the year is Stony Brook home.

UD 10-2 top 100 and ND 4-5.

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Last week the coaches poll was:

24. Butler, dropped out due to a loss or losses

25. Southern Cal, dropped out due to a loss or losses

26. Gonzaga, lost last week

27. Dayton and Clemson, tied, Clemson lost last week

28. Oregon

29. Wichita State

Oregon and Wichita jumped over us, we were totally jobbed.

We should be #24 this week.

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