2016 Transfer Market

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer Maybe. Another project at center. Big time offers before choosing State. Good size--shot blocker. Three years after sitting out. Tempting.

I believe he was a McDs all American, no project there

[flyerfan4life]

No thanks on Harris. Cant shoot.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by flyerfan4life No thanks on Harris. Cant shoot.

He shot it a better percentage from 3 his freshman year than Scoochie. Archie would be all over AJ Harris. Heck, he's probably already called Thad this evening.

[SeasonTicketFan]

UD recruited AJ hard for several years. Matta swooped in last minute and landed him. Many schools wanted AJ to get to Kennard.

I often wondered if OSU was the right fit. Cut throat business.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 I believe he was a McDs all American, no project there

Another season of returns are in. They weren't that good, and he wasn't that good. But he could still be a good target for Arch and competition for Steve.

[DallasFlyer]

Spike Albrecht is transferring from Michigan and is immediately eligible. Not a fit for Dayton but kind of hoping some PG-needy A10 program snatches him up.

[jack72]

Not sure Archie takes another point guard in the same class as Crosby. I understand people's bias for local players, but I am sure that would create a mess in more ways than one.

[FlyerNation23]

AJ Harris would have to sit a year so he would be a Sophomore when Crosby in a Junior. Archie must decide if he wants to take the 5'9" Harris or continue to recruit 2017 Pgs: Evan Gilyard (5'8") or Chris Lykes (5'6").

With Scooch and KD graduating, we def need more guards. I doubt we have 2 sub 6 foot guys though

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation23 AJ Harris would have to sit a year so he would be a Sophomore when Crosby in a Junior. Archie must decide if he wants to take the 5'9" Harris or continue to recruit 2017 Pgs: Evan Gilyard (5'8") or Chris Lykes (5'6"). With Scooch and KD graduating, we def need more guards. I doubt we have 2 sub 6 foot guys though

Exactly. While Harris is sitting he would have a year to learn the offense so when Scooch departs, you'd still have 2 PGs on the roster who knew and could run the offense. If the coaches can get Gilyard or Lykes and they think those guys will be better, then go with them, but Harris is a nice fit on paper, especially because having watched Khari Price, Scoochie and Crosby in Archie's system, it's pretty clear to me that it takes some time to really master the offense. And the PG is really critical to the team... probably the most critical piece.

[OSU Flyer]

Drexel freshman Terrell Allen will transfer, source told @CBSSports. Three years of eligibility remaining. Averaged 9.8 PPG.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 4h4 hours ago Coppin State guard Christian Kessee is expected to graduate and transfer, sources told ESPN. Averaged 14.6 points, shot 40% from 3.

@jeffborzello
Coppin State graduate transfer Christian Kessee has heard from Kansas, Washington State, Louisiana Tech, ODU, Middle Tennessee and others.

[FlyerNation23]

What is going on at Ohio State? Their 2015 class was ranked #5 in the country with 5 prospects who were all 4 stars. One of the kids transferred out in December and 3 more announced this week they were transferring. Why would 4/5 freshman transfer after 1 year? I hope everything is okay with Thad Matta. Are these kids jumping ship before bad news breaks?

http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Seaso...etball/Commits

I wouldn't mind landing 1 or 2 of these prospects

[Lifelong Flyer Fan]

Maybe Dane Goodwin (2018) will take note of these transfers and decide he gave his verbal to OSU too soon.

[San Diego Flyer]

First, it was a bad tOSU season by anyone's standard, much less Matta's. Very likely for once, a whole gaggle of potential didn't materialize. I'm guessing they are leaving with his blessing. Great coaches don't stand pat.

Second, HS stars are full of themselves and don't want to be around a loser. Maybe they see the immediate future at tOSU and don't want to be a part of a reload.

Wow, the UD offices must be spinning doing all their homework on available transfers.

[maddog07]

No need for a short guard scoring 2.8 pets for an NIT team. We gotta do much better.
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[TX Flyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 No need for a short guard scoring 2.8 pets for an NIT team. We gotta do much better. Posted via Mobile Device

Yea, because siberts 2.x points/game at OSU sure showed us how good he was

[foolishpride]

I see where tOSU is losing some more to transfer. Daniel Giddens, and Mickey Mitchell, along with hometown AJ Harris. Austin Grandstaff transferred earlier during the season. What's up in Columbus?

[foolishpride]

Sorry, should have been in other thread.

[Chris R]

Remember Jordan Sibert? Didn't do squat at Ohio State. Sometimes all you need is a fresh start.

Sometimes.

[Falcon7]

That recruiting class at OSU was soooooooo overrated...

A.J. can't shoot, and at 5'8 (he is no taller than that) it makes it a lot more difficult.
He would be ok at best, at UD.

[Chris R]

Staten couldnt shoot a lick at UD. He ended up being a Big-12 Preseason POY. He may have been 5-10 in high heels. Shawnta Rogers tore the A10 a new bunghole at about 5-7.

Not advocating or dissing AJ. Just saying I dont think size matters a whole lot if you can play the game.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation23 What is going on at Ohio State? Their 2015 class was ranked #5 in the country with 5 prospects who were all 4 stars. One of the kids transferred out in December and 3 more announced this week they were transferring. Why would 4/5 freshman transfer after 1 year?

Mitchell: 2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 12.8 minutes per game (went scoreless 11 times)
Harris: 2.8 points and 1.7 assists
Giddens: 3.8 points and 3.6 rebounds + team high 108 fouls

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R Remember Jordan Sibert? Didn't do squat at Ohio State. Sometimes all you need is a fresh start. Sometimes.

The thing to remember about Sibert, Harris and Javon Bess for that matter is that Archie knows these guys like the back of his hand. He recruited them and either he believes in their ability to excel in his system or he doesn't. We'll see, but I am the first to admit I thought signing Sibert was dumb. Lesson learned.

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by Chris R Staten couldnt shoot a lick at UD. He ended up being a Big-12 Preseason POY. He may have been 5-10 in high heels. Shawnta Rogers tore the A10 a new bunghole at about 5-7. Not advocating or dissing AJ. Just saying I dont think size matters a whole lot if you can play the game.

Actually Shawnta was 5'4. Thats why he wore 54 in college. If I'm not mistaken his kid is an incoming freshmen at GW next year.


That GW team with Rogers,Koul and Mesherikov(sp?) still gives me nightmares. They kicked our ass up and down the court in their time there. I think we beat them at UD Perryman's senior year. Other then that they kicked our asses

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation23 What is going on at Ohio State? Their 2015 class was ranked #5 in the country with 5 prospects who were all 4 stars. One of the kids transferred out in December and 3 more announced this week they were transferring. Why would 4/5 freshman transfer after 1 year? I hope everything is okay with Thad Matta. Are these kids jumping ship before bad news breaks? http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Seaso...etball/Commits I wouldn't mind landing 1 or 2 of these prospects

Basketball players at tOSU are step-children to the football team. It is sort of like football players at North Carolina. Who wants to be a four-year step-child when you could go to a basketball school and be the privileged son?

[FlyerNation23]

Originally Posted by NCkevi Mitchell: 2 points and 2.8 rebounds in 12.8 minutes per game (went scoreless 11 times) Harris: 2.8 points and 1.7 assists Giddens: 3.8 points and 3.6 rebounds + team high 108 fouls

Crosby: 2.4 pts, 1.4 rpg, and 0.9 ast
Mikesell: 3.0 pts, 1.5 rpg, and 0.8 ast
Miller: 3.2 pts, 1.4 rpg
X man: 2.0 pts, 1.7 rpg

I might be in the minority but when Scooch leaves, I would rather have AJ Harris as my PG over Crosby due to the fact that Crosby looks to get his before getting others involved.

[FLYER5]

Thad's assistants are getting a lot of the blame. I think his health has marginalized his focus. He isn't long for the job imo. tOSU wants to compete for B1G championships in basketball. I look for Gene Smith to aggressively pursue a marquee prospect once the news comes out that Thad is stepping down, which will probably be soon now in light of these events? Something has to give. He just took them to the Final Four in '12. I believe the underlying cause is his chronic back pain and its advancement. The determining factor is do they have a prospect in mind who they feel is better than Thad. Is there one out there. I don't see one.....anywhere.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by TommyGola Basketball players at tOSU are step-children to the football team.

According to my TBDBITL son, the basketball team is also behind the Marching Band.

[jack72]

I think Archie now has higher basketball goals for UD than picking up players who could not start for mediocre teams, just because they are local.

[rollo]

I'd take AJ Harris right f'in now. Scoring isn't his priority...all he cares about is playing time and winning.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation23 I might be in the minority but when Scooch leaves, I would rather have AJ Harris as my PG over Crosby due to the fact that Crosby looks to get his before getting others involved.

Not a matter of one or the other, since they will be in different classes and you need at least 2 pgs on the roster. As Crosby looks to be a scoring PG, it does stand to reason you might want the other to be a dish-first guy.

Originally Posted by jack72 I think Archie now has higher basketball goals for UD than picking up players who could not start for mediocre teams, just because they are local.

So again you think Archie would pass on Sibert now? If Dayton is now at a level where every guy we get is better than that guy, then I'm expecting multiple national championships!

[flyerfanatic86]

How many people here really think Steve would have had better numbers than a lot of those had he played last season? There's something to be said about being a freshman and a coach that can develop talent.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Chris R Staten couldnt shoot a lick at UD. He ended up being a Big-12 Preseason POY. He may have been 5-10 in high heels. Shawnta Rogers tore the A10 a new bunghole at about 5-7. Not advocating or dissing AJ. Just saying I dont think size matters a whole lot if you can play the game.

I could see how a short coach who was a deadeye shooter might agree with you.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by jack72 I think Archie now has higher basketball goals for UD than picking up players who could not start for mediocre teams, just because they are local.

For sure. Every year we hear about a Miami Valley prospect that stands out in another program. Those players, and those only are the local players I would like to see pursued.. Though the area is not the hotbed it once was due to population decline, it still produces its share of blue and red chippers.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer I could see how a short coach who was a deadeye shooter might agree with you.

Harris' height and position is about the only thing he has in common with Archie. Dude is a freak athletically. Archie got by on being tough, smart and a great shooter as you say.

Originally Posted by FLYER5 For sure. Every year we hear about a Miami Valley prospect that stands out in another program. Those players, and those only are the local players I would like to see pursued.. Though the area is not the hotbed it once was due to population decline, it still produces its share of blue and red chippers.

So if AJ Harris had gone to Cleveland State and was tearing it up, you would be more in favor of a guy like that? Although the blue chippers probably aren't going to Cleveland State... so I guess I'm confused what you are saying.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by rollo According to my TBDBITL son, the basketball team is also behind the Marching Band.

So is 98% of all other basketball programs. And every other sport besides football at OSU. TBDBITL is heralded all around the country as the best university marching band. Wherever I've been where the band plays those fans are highly impressed and always make mention of the quality that sets them apart from the other marching bands. I have a friend who has dotted the I three times. The Spring marching band at tOSU is better than most universities' marching bands. There are only a couple other programs which could compete historically with TBDITL and one is USC.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by jack72 I think Archie now has higher basketball goals for UD than picking up players who could not start for mediocre teams, just because they are local.

Bad situations often lead to bad attitudes often leads to bad performance often leads to low playing time. It just is not as black and white as you'd like to make it.

We're dealing with human beings here, not video game characters.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Harris' height and position is about the only thing he has in common with Archie. Dude is a freak athletically. Archie got by on being tough, smart and a great shooter as you say. So if AJ Harris had gone to Cleveland State and was tearing it up, you would be more in favor of a guy like that? Although the blue chippers probably aren't going to Cleveland State... so I guess I'm confused what you are saying.

I'm saying that regardless of where the players reside we should be pursuing the best. Archie has extended the reach in recruiting and if he saw AJ as a top prospect as a prep then he likely still does. The shape of the team may dictate that more now imo.

I thought that was the premise of Jack's post and I just added my angle.

[FlyerNation23]

Ya, I want this guy wearing the red/blue

http://btn.com/2016/03/20/watch-ohio...erize-florida/

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by Gazoo Bad situations often lead to bad attitudes often leads to bad performance often leads to low playing time. It just is not as black and white as you'd like to make it. We're dealing with human beings here, not video game characters.

Dang, reading a lot into that short paragraph, eh Sig?

[224]

Originally Posted by jack72 I think Archie now has higher basketball goals for UD than picking up players who could not start for mediocre teams, just because they are local.

But what if the local kids are really really good? Sibert didn't start at OSU and was a stud.

Heck, if we only got kids from greater Dayton area we would be loaded....the pool of 4/5* kids playing elsewhere from our own back yard is deep...
Kennard from Duke, Vinnie Edwards from Purdue, AJ Harris formerly at tOSU, Justin Bibbs from VaTech, Kyle Ahrens from MSU, Maverick Morgan at UI, Jaaron Simmons from OU, Xavier Simpson who has committed to UM...

If any of those kids wanted to come home I'd take them in a heartbeat!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[runnerup]

Originally Posted by 224 But what if the local kids are really really good? Sibert didn't start at OSU and was a stud. Heck, if we only got kids from greater Dayton area we would be loaded....the pool of 4/5* kids playing elsewhere from our own back yard is deep... Kennard from Duke, Vinnie Edwards from Purdue, AJ Harris formerly at tOSU, Justin Bibbs from VaTech, Kyle Ahrens from MSU, Maverick Morgan at UI, Jaaron Simmons from OU, Xavier Simpson who has committed to UM... If any of those kids wanted to come home I'd take them in a heartbeat!

That would be quite a lineup.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[FLYER5]

Originally Posted by 224 But what if the local kids are really really good? Sibert didn't start at OSU and was a stud. Heck, if we only got kids from greater Dayton area we would be loaded....the pool of 4/5* kids playing elsewhere from our own back yard is deep... Kennard from Duke, Vinnie Edwards from Purdue, AJ Harris formerly at tOSU, Justin Bibbs from VaTech, Kyle Ahrens from MSU, Maverick Morgan at UI, Jaaron Simmons from OU, Xavier Simpson who has committed to UM... If any of those kids wanted to come home I'd take them in a heartbeat!

And Adreian Payne would look really good as the second twin tower inside for us! Probably have eligibility snags but Calipari might try it

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[OSU Flyer]

Jeff Borzello ‏@jeffborzello 6m6 minutes ago Sacred Heart transfer Cane Broome is down to four schools: Cincinnati, Creighton, NC State, Seton Hall. NEC Player of the Year. 23.1 PPG.

[shapanud]

So who is the target audience for this tweet that the UD bball account just sent?:

Transfers succeed w/@Archie_Miller. A transfer has led Dayton in scoring all 5 seasons under coach Miller. #TrueTeam https://t.co/270lI7P5uQ

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by 224 But what if the local kids are really really good? Sibert didn't start at OSU and was a stud. Heck, if we only got kids from greater Dayton area we would be loaded....the pool of 4/5* kids playing elsewhere from our own back yard is deep... Kennard from Duke, Vinnie Edwards from Purdue, AJ Harris formerly at tOSU, Justin Bibbs from VaTech, Kyle Ahrens from MSU, Maverick Morgan at UI, Jaaron Simmons from OU, Xavier Simpson who has committed to UM... If any of those kids wanted to come home I'd take them in a heartbeat!

I don't think you were going there with this post, but even if he could field a team of all great locals, and be a great team, he shouldn't do it. If the local talent started drying up, Archie wouldn't have foothold in other areas like he seems to have in Chicago and hopefully developing in other places like Michigan, NY etc... When a favorite son(Scoochie for instance) of an area makes good at UD, it should widen the possibility of recruiting from that area in the future. Or, if you have an issue like BG had with Staten, it could be very costly to your recruiting if you put most of your resources to that area. Again, I don't think you were suggesting that, I'm just saying it's best to get a good mix from around the country.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[OSU Flyer]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...-transfer-list

Full Transfer List

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 Actually, that's totally false. His minutes didn't climb as the season wore on. In order I'm listing his minutes for each game of the season in order from start to finish: 12 5 4 4 8 7 4 6 16 16 4 10 19 20 6 10 12 6 14 11 15 7 9 6 11 14 9 5 3 12 2 4 So, yes, his minutes increased in the middle of the season where he was playing double digit mintutes(mainly because AM didn't like what he was seeing in Scooch and realized he needed rest regardless of the consequences) and then at the end he played 3 games under double digit, 2 games above and finished with only one double digit game in the final 6. 3 of his final 4 games he played less minutes than any other game during the season. Next time look before you leap.

Finally had a chance to respond to this.

25+8 = 33. You listed 32 games. He did not play against William & Mary. If you're going to list his minutes in each individual game you should at least start by listing each individual game.

Breaking up his season into 3 pieces:
Games 1 - 9 (including 1 game he did not play): JC took 0.3 shots per minute played and played 6.25 minutes per game. His FG% was 33%.

Games 10 - 27: JC took 0.32 shots per minute played and played 11.4 minutes per game. (Yes, his shots per minute actually increased as his minutes increased.) His FG% was. . . you guessed it, 33%.

Games 28 - 33: JC took 0.17 shots per minute played and played 5.8 minutes per game (including 2 games where he played the least minutes of any game all year, excluding W&M where he played 0). Any guesses on his FG%? It was 33%.

Let's reset the argument here: Your point is that JC is a terribly selfish player and had his minutes limited because he shot too much, and my counter point is that AM must have told him to play that way. The stats show that JC took the same number of shots per minute during games 1-9 when he was playing 6.25 minutes per game as he took during the following 18 games when his minutes per game nearly doubled, and his FG% stayed exactly the same!

In the final 5 games his shots per minute plummeted by half, and his minutes plummeted back to 5.8 per game.

Maybe, just maybe, AM liked and encouraged the aggressive 0.3 shots per minute play and rewarded it with more minutes as the season wore on (as I said in my counter argument) since the stats clearly show his minutes per game increasing significantly while his shots per minute increased.

Maybe AM wasn't getting something else he wanted in those 5 last games. Let's explore that.

It's interesting to note that during games 1-9 his TO per minute were 0.18, while in games 10-27 it was 0.05. In games 28-33 his TO per minute went back up to 0.14. Do you think that might have had more of an impact on his minutes than the number of shots he was taking?

During games 1-9 his assists per minute were 0.14, while in games 10-27 it was 0.11. In games 28-33 his assists per minute fell off a cliff to 0.03. Do you think that might have had more of an impact on his minutes than the number of shots he was taking?

Maybe you should look before you leap, Smitty and cj. The stats do not show that JC was benched for the number of shots he was taking, as a matter of fact the stats show that as his shots per minute increased so did his minutes!! In the final 5 games, his turnovers shot up, his assists dropped, and no it's not because he was shooting too much because his shots per minute fell drastically as well.

EDIT: the last 5 games had more to do with SS's play than JC's play I think, and had nothing to do with the number of shots JC was taking.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer So again you think Archie would pass on Sibert now? If Dayton is now at a level where every guy we get is better than that guy, then I'm expecting multiple national championships!

State was 31-8 and 33-3 when Sibert was there, and had a couple of good teams. Last year they were 21-14 and not nearly as good. So again, I don't think Archie should have passed on Sibert. We needed a shooting guard.

I'll put my money on Archie not going after Harris. We need a frosh point guard in 2017, and only a transfer now, if Crosby does not stay. What message would Archie send to Crosby if he brought in a kid who is about the same in talent. On top of that would Harris come here and risk playing behind Scoochie and John. He appears to be upset stuck behind another freshman, Lyle at State.

This whole conversation is a bit silly. We have one scholly and our biggest need is a shooter or a big.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 What message would Archie send to Crosby if he brought in a kid who is about the same in talent. On top of that would Harris come here and risk playing behind Scoochie and John.

So Scoochie will have already graduated. And the message is the same he should be sending every kid. Earn your minutes. Archie's goal in recruiting is to get better at any and every position he can. Competition is part of the game.

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by shapanud So who is the target audience for this tweet that the UD bball account just sent?: Transfers succeed w/@Archie_Miller. A transfer has led Dayton in scoring all 5 seasons under coach Miller. #TrueTeam https://t.co/270lI7P5uQ

I'm hoping the target is Josh Cunningham and the coaching staff sees a complete stud and are challenging him to be the best he can be!

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by FlyerNation23 Crosby: 2.4 pts, 1.4 rpg, and 0.9 ast Mikesell: 3.0 pts, 1.5 rpg, and 0.8 ast Miller: 3.2 pts, 1.4 rpg X man: 2.0 pts, 1.7 rpg

So if any of them transfer it won't be a mystery why - most kid's think they can put up big numbers and when it doesn't happen they sometimes look to move on

[Atlantic 10]

Originally Posted by jack72 State was 31-8 and 33-3 when Sibert was there, and had a couple of good teams. Last year they were 21-14 and not nearly as good. So again, I don't think Archie should have passed on Sibert. We needed a shooting guard. I'll put my money on Archie not going after Harris. We need a frosh point guard in 2017, and only a transfer now, if Crosby does not stay. What message would Archie send to Crosby if he brought in a kid who is about the same in talent. On top of that would Harris come here and risk playing behind Scoochie and John. He appears to be upset stuck behind another freshman, Lyle at State. This whole conversation is a bit silly. We have one scholly and our biggest need is a shooter or a big.

One, Harris has to sit out a year so Scoochie will be gone. 2017 class will have a point guard, unless Harris transfers to Dayton. Archie wanted Harris before and it hasn't changed

[Gazoo]

IMO, great programs recruit the best available players. Don't like it? Get better or go play for another school. We need to be the best we can possibly be next year, and worry about the year after that later.

It's not actually that extreme because you do have to keep an eye out for the future, but that's not too much of an exaggeration.

If we were Wright State we would have to worry about alienating the freshmen because transfers would come at a premium. At the other end of the spectrum is Kentucky who will get 5 new starters each year. We're somewhere in the middle but closer to Kentucky than Wright State.

[DallasFlyer]

Check out this kid who is transferring out of Maine:

http://www.goblackbears.com/sports/m...ann_issac_27aq

Charles Cooke basically.

Speculation is that A10 is a likely destination. See: https://twitter.com/JonAlba

Not sure we could pry him out of New England... but seems worth the effort to me.

[maddog07]

Originally Posted by Chris R Remember Jordan Sibert? Didn't do squat at Ohio State. Sometimes all you need is a fresh start. Sometimes.

Jordan played on a final four team with guys like Sullinger. Far different from Harris who played on a team going ------ nowhere!!!!!!!
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[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Jordan played on a final four team with guys like Sullinger. Far different from Harris who played on a team going ------ nowhere!!!!!!! Posted via Mobile Device

Harris actually played on that team that went nowhere though. Sibert couldn't get off the bench.

[MikeF]

Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 Actually Shawnta was 5'4. Thats why he wore 54 in college. If I'm not mistaken his kid is an incoming freshmen at GW next year.

I just looked him up: 5'-3" Darnell Rogers and he committed to George Washington.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[224]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 I don't think you were going there with this post, but even if he could field a team of all great locals, and be a great team, he shouldn't do it. If the local talent started drying up, Archie wouldn't have foothold in other areas like he seems to have in Chicago and hopefully developing in other places like Michigan, NY etc... When a favorite son(Scoochie for instance) of an area makes good at UD, it should widen the possibility of recruiting from that area in the future. Or, if you have an issue like BG had with Staten, it could be very costly to your recruiting if you put most of your resources to that area. Again, I don't think you were suggesting that, I'm just saying it's best to get a good mix from around the country.

I wasn't really going there. But I can.

Everyone I mentioned is a 4*+ (with exception of Simmons and Morgan, both 3*). All good players. UD recruited each one of those kids hard. While I agree and understand your point of wanting to recruit on a national level, I don't think had we landed any one or two of these kids it would have prevented us from going harder at any of the other kids. In fact, one could argue the opposite and say AM is spending too much time recruiting out of Dayton and letting too many 4* kids walk out of his back yard.

Had Kennard, Edwards, Gibbs and Harris all wanted to go to UD, I think AM would have taken them in a heartbeat. Take the best player you can get.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Check out this kid who is transferring out of Maine: http://www.goblackbears.com/sports/m...ann_issac_27aq Charles Cooke basically. Speculation is that A10 is a likely destination. See: https://twitter.com/JonAlba Not sure we could pry him out of New England... but seems worth the effort to me.

This is the first transfer target that makes me salivate. Great numbers. Mickey D nominee. Good size and probably still growing. I agree with C-Cooke clone.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer This is the first transfer target that makes me salivate. Great numbers. Mickey D nominee. Good size and probably still growing. I agree with C-Cooke clone.

UPDATE: Iona and LaSalle have offered Issac Vann today per a national recruiting analyst who looks to be maybe 9 years old.

https://twitter.com/PatLawless_

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[DallasFlyer]

Milik Yarbrough is transferring from SLU. Won't be going to another A10 program, but he was a decent player. Guess he was not impressed by the Travis Ford hire.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[DallasFlyer]

Kendall Stephens is transferring from Purdue. Great shooter but very much seems in need of a fresh start. I could see him being a guy Archie goes after...

http://www.jconline.com/story/sports...sfer/82480040/

[San Diego Flyer]

I dunno. He took 6 threes/game and made less than 2 per game for what basically was a 20 game season due to injuries and disfavor (4 more games he had minimal minutes on the court). Everything else in his stats is pedestrian. 60% ft shooter. Mid 30's inside the arc. Not much stands out.

I think we have Ryan, DD, Sam, Kyle, Scoochie who could shoot that % next year if Coach gave them the green light to average 6 threes per game. But Arch wouldn't anyway because his style is not to have one player cranking up that many threes and hindering the offensive movement.

And this business of shopping for the best offer while holding open his position to come back is strange team management.

I would pass on it.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer And this business of shopping for the best offer while holding open his position to come back is strange team management.

A bit odd, but in theory I guess I'd rather take a guy in that situation vs a guy who is unwanted by his former team.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Kendall Stephens is transferring from Purdue. Great shooter but very much seems in need of a fresh start. I could see him being a guy Archie goes after... http://www.jconline.com/story/sports...sfer/82480040/

Stephens would have one year after sitting a year. Is known as an excellent outside shooter, but only shot 32% from three. Is buried on the depth chart at Purdue, a team with rather average guards. I am a Purdue fan, and would definitely pass on this kid.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Jeff Goodman ✔ ‎@GoodmanESPN Sacred Heart's Cane Broome is transferring. Put up 23 points per game this past season. 6-foot sophomore guard.

Broome has supposedly narrowed it to two, UC and CU. That is Cincinnati and Creighton.

[kiefaber455]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer This is the first transfer target that makes me salivate. Great numbers. Mickey D nominee. Good size and probably still growing. I agree with C-Cooke clone.

I have a feeling that this kid will end up either at URI, Providence, or BC

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[UD62]

Left team for personal reasons, declined to play in the Nebraska game, has one year left- no thanks.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by UD62 Left team for personal reasons, declined to play in the Nebraska game, has one year left- no thanks.

The fact that Purdue still wants him back though suggests maybe there's more to the story, and he's a good kid.

Originally Posted by jack72 Stephens would have one year after sitting a year. Is known as an excellent outside shooter, but only shot 32% from three. Is buried on the depth chart at Purdue, a team with rather average guards. I am a Purdue fan, and would definitely pass on this kid.

It sounded like he had some things going on off the court that really affected him (not unlike what we've heard about Darrell Davis) but I didn't realize he was a sit one, play one transfer. Those are definitely the least coveted. For that reason alone, I take back what I said. Don't think he's a real likely candidate for Archie to go after with just one scholarship unless Stephens finds a way to graduate and could play immediately.

[DallasFlyer]

Some interesting info on AJ Harris transfer here:
http://www.sportsrappup.com/rapp-aro...etball-exodus/

"At the time of this original posting, Harris’ departure was not yet official but a reliable source told SRU on Tuesday night that news was imminent. The source added that Harris struggled academically and in retaining instruction from coaches.

Another source with inside knowledge of the program went further, saying, “He probably would not be eligible (next season).”

Like the other departing players, Harris also has “too many people in his ear,” according to the same inside source."

[flyer016]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer Some interesting info on AJ Harris transfer here: http://www.sportsrappup.com/rapp-aro...etball-exodus/ "At the time of this original posting, Harris’ departure was not yet official but a reliable source told SRU on Tuesday night that news was imminent. The source added that Harris struggled academically and in retaining instruction from coaches. Another source with inside knowledge of the program went further, saying, “He probably would not be eligible (next season).” Like the other departing players, Harris also has “too many people in his ear,” according to the same inside source."

The article gives an OSU spin to the recent transfers (as to be expected by a long-time OSU beat writer), and any criticisms of Harris should be taken with a grain of salt.

Which isn't to suggest there isn't a grain of truth to the statements. Also, worth noting that after dumping on all the recent transfers, Rapp essentially calls Harris a good kid (he didn't do this for Giddens, Grandstaff or Mitchell).

I'd still love to see Harris at UD. A year off to get his academics in order and mature a bit, and I believe he'd be a three-year catalyst for the program.

Come on home, Amos.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by flyer016 A year off to get his academics in order ... and I believe he'd be a three-year catalyst for the program. Come on home, Amos.

UD has had a lot of experience getting player's academics in order so I'm all for Amos coming home!

[BRob2Perryman3]

Originally Posted by rollo UD has had a lot of experience getting player's academics in order so I'm all for Amos coming home!

Put as only the "King" can put it. I think my favorite part is the paper thin veiled sarcasm

[jack72]

Kevin Dorsey, one of three Minnesota guards suspended at the end of the season after a sex video appeared briefly on social media, is transferring.

He was highly recruited and averaged 6.5 pts as a freshman.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by jack72 Kevin Dorsey, one of three Minnesota guards suspended at the end of the season after a sex video appeared briefly on social media, is transferring. He was highly recruited and averaged 6.5 pts as a freshman.

After all the sex-related drama around the U's basketball program the last few years, no thanks.

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[DallasFlyer]

In comparison to other transfers on the market, there's a lot more film on Dorsey!

[THirt]

Not coming here, but in A10 news, GW sophomore guard Paul Jorgensen is transferring. Bummer for the league.
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[Atlantic 10]

Watching CBS Sports channel , they brought out the Top 25 next year pre season. Dayton at 16 and Rhody at 21

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[OSU Flyer]

Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 8h8 hours ago Worth noting: Valpo’s Alec Peters can likely graduate this summer and transfer, sources told @CBSSports. Averaged 18.4 ppg and 8.5 rpg.

[frisco flyer]

Peters has impressive stats all around. Good size too.

[Buster Goode]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Gary Parrish ‏@GaryParrishCBS 8h8 hours ago Worth noting: Valpo’s Alec Peters can likely graduate this summer and transfer, sources told @CBSSports. Averaged 18.4 ppg and 8.5 rpg.

Wow. Would love to have this guy.

[OSU Flyer]

That's a legit game changer

[Swampy Meadows]

My money is on Peters following Bryce Drew to Vandy

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by DallasFlyer In comparison to other transfers on the market, there's a lot more film on Dorsey!

Yes, but can the film be viewed legally by anyone under the age of 21?
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[frisco flyer]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows My money is on Peters following Bryce Drew to Vandy

How does Vandy look at the Forward position next year? Do they have room for him to get significant playing time?

[Dogdaddy]

Typically, when are most transfers known? I know sometimes they wait til late like Meacham, but in general after what date will we know have a sense whether transfers will have an impact on our roster?

Personally, I would love to see the continuity of no one leaving. There is a lot of talent on this team and another year together could be great. Need to build chemistry and the trip to Europe is a perfect opportunity for that.

[Medford]

I'd say w/n the next month. Many college's will be wrapping up their 2nd semester in the next 6-8 weeks, and starting their summer sessions, not too long after, meaning those players will want to choose their next destination so they can plan for the move, change of scenery, etc... in the short time span that follows.

[UDDoug]

Kornet and Jones were juniors, but widely expected Jones declares.
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[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows My money is on Peters following Bryce Drew to Vandy

From what I hear, this is the case. He and Drew are very close and Peters will likely follow him to Vandy. I have no published sources, just what I hear from the college coaches I have met over the years.

[DallasFlyer]

I know this has been a rumor and it's still just a rumor, but Jaylen Adams transferring from St Bonaventure to Texas would be a pretty big blow to the A10...

https://twitter.com/BonaBlog/status/717403425382772736

EDIT UPDATE: Apparently, he's just messing around, but this isn't the first time he's suggested he might rather be somewhere else: https://twitter.com/BonaBlog/status/717405824151322624

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[Buckleyma]

6'11" Malik Martin wants to transfer from the University of Southern California (USC). In Florida high school, he averaged 19 points and 12 rebounds. He was the fourth ranked player in the state of Florida. He is a sophomore. I know nothing about the guy but just ran accross an article on him and two other players wanting to transfer out of USC. I like the 6'11" part and the scoring and rebounding numbers in high school.
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[THirt]

Unfortunately, a couple more A10 transfers announced today. Miles Reynolds out of SLU and LG Gill out of Duquesne. I never like to see good talent leave the conference. Reynolds is from Chicago, wonder if he will look to end up at Illinois or somewhere similar.
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	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[lhsgolf19]

Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein

Alabama transfer Michael Kessens told @CBSSports that he's considering FIU, UCSB, Pepperdine, Wichita State, Dayton, and UC Riverside.

[priceg75]

Kessens is a 5th year grad student who would be eligible right away. 6'9" forward, averaged 3 pts., 3 rebs. a game. Not overwhelming stats, but would provide another big body at a position we lack.

[rollo]

Originally Posted by lhsgolf19 Jon Rothstein ‏@JonRothstein Alabama transfer Michael Kessens told @CBSSports that he's considering FIU, UCSB, Pepperdine, Wichita State, Dayton, and UC Riverside.

UD would be his 3rd college....Longwood, 'Bama, UD.

Since he's transferred once, he can't redshirt so he's a 1-and-done.

King Rollo's Royal Advice? - Pass.

http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-bas...ns_846500.html

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by rollo UD would be his 3rd college....Longwood, 'Bama, UD. Since he's transferred once, he can't redshirt so he's a 1-and-done. King Rollo's Royal Advice? - Pass. http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-bas...ns_846500.html

I believe he is going to be a grad transfer.

[DallasFlyer]

Yes - one and done grad transfer. From Switzerland.

8 points, 5 rebounds 2 assists against Mizzou
8 points on 4-of-5 shooting vs then-No. 17 Notre Dame
7 points on 3-of-4 shooting in 15 minutes at Dayton
10 points, 7 boards at Ole Miss

I think he could be a useful player, but if they are going the grad transfer route, I'd really like to see them get a guy who can knock down threes. Kessens doesn't do that. Kessens does what Josh Cunningham does.

Maybe coaches like him as a guy who can back up Big Steve at center... but if Dayton is really after this guy then to me, that suggests either:

A) Someone is leaving
B) They really love the guys they are recruiting for 2017 and are just looking for something useful that won't burn a 2017 scholarship.

[Sea Bass]

IMO the use of the grad transfer should only be used to fill a glaring hole, and then only as a last resort. Let the guys who have stayed here and worked hard get the minutes. Pass on Kessens.

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by priceg75 Kessens is a 5th year grad student who would be eligible right away. 6'9" forward, averaged 3 pts., 3 rebs. a game. Not overwhelming stats, but would provide another big body at a position we lack.

He's tall, but 7 of the 12 guys we have on the roster are 6'6 or taller.