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How about we start another thread on recruits. I will list Mr Anderson first. He grew 6" so he could be the next David Robinson in two years
This article lists Alex Anderson at 5' 11" and 175 pounds
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Where is Hawkins? I was hoping to hear an announcement. Didnt he visit Wichita state last weekend?
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Coaching staff is evaluating Carson Shanks, a seven foot center from Minnesota. There's an article about him on the Rivals site if you have subscription.
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Couple thoughts on Alex. I have never seen a 5'5" player who could palm a ball. I believe he is at least 5'10".
He has great moves, but many times he brought the ball down the floor and not once looked for a teammate. Of course he made a shot or they wouldn't have put it in the mix.
And lastly, why no interest in him from Memphis?
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Shorty at St. Joes?
Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
Couple thoughts on Alex. I have never seen a 5'5" player who could palm a ball. I believe he is at least 5'10".
He has great moves, but many times he brought the ball down the floor and not once looked for a teammate. Of course he made a shot or they wouldn't have put it in the mix.
And lastly, why no interest in him from Memphis?
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Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.
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A recent post on heardthisblog.com (no idea who runs the site but he seems pretty tight with all things A10) had this to say:
@PitchersDuel: “What names are you hearing in connection with Dayton?”
They obviously have plenty of targets and I can’t cover them all, but I’ll try to share a few. They missed out on Andre Yates the other day, but picked up a huge piece getting point guard Jevon Thomas. Now their radar screen likely includes Devon Scott (’12), Maverick Morgan (’13), Ray Lee (’12), and Kedar Edwards (’12). Morgan would be a stretch, but Scott and Edwards are real possibilities, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Spuds
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.
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He was a Bonnie but I can't remember his name.
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According to the L'ville Journal-Courrier's Jody Demling, UD has a chance at getting another commit soon. From his twitter:
"Kentucky's top senior Tamron Manning expected to make decision within 24 hours. Final list: Marshall, IUPUI, Duquesne and Dayton."
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Originally Posted by UDEE79
He was a Bonnie but I can't remember his name.
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Marques Green?
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Originally Posted by Spuds
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.
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GW - Shawnta Rogers
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Originally Posted by Spuds
Didn't St. Joes have a player that was extremely short and who wore his shorts down to his ankles? I remember him always double crossing and nailing all of those 3 pointers back in the day...can't remember for the life of me who that was.
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St. Joes had Jameer Nelson, GW had Shawnta Rogers.
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Was Manning specifically interested in a non-BCS school, or was there no interest from the bigger name schools? I'm just surprised to not see any BCS conference schools on the list if he's Kentucky's top senior.
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manning says dayton was still after him even when the new coaching staff came in
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Any flights to Kentucky today from the coaching staff? Or is it Budget Rent-A-Car? Inquiring minds need to know. The suspense is killing me!!!
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Originally Posted by momszer
Any flights to Kentucky today from the coaching staff? Or is it Budget Rent-A-Car? Inquiring minds need to know. The suspense is killing me!!!
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Tamron is from Georgetown so I guess you could fly from Dayton to Lexington, but I would think you'd drive. If the suspense is killing you, don't check Tamron's twitter page whatever you do. He seems intent on building up his decision, retweeting stuff from both dayton and marshall fans.
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I haven't seen any evidence that makes me believe he has an offer.
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The offer that I really question is Duquesne. They have gotten a couple of committments over the last couple of days, and I don't think they have more scholarships to give. I think it comes down to Marshall or Dayton.
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Maybe he thought if he listed Dayton in his final four he could garner an offer from West Virginia.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Maybe he thought if he listed Dayton in his final four he could garner an offer from West Virginia.
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Recruiting is such a mystery. Tamron Manning is rated 89 by ESPN and is a 3 star. Eron Harris was 85 and a 2 star. This board seemed higher on Harris and he is heading to the Big East. We don't know if Manning even has an offer from UD and even though he is a lead candidate for Mr. Kentucky his choices are UD, MU, DU, and IUPUI. That math isn't working here for me, but for some strange reason I can't wait until 6:00 and I'll be bummed if we don't get him. Strange process these days.
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Staten, Harris, Manning= state of West Virginia
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Probably just as well. Would have been impossible to root for a guy who calls himself Tman.
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Originally Posted by Dogdaddy
Recruiting is such a mystery. Tamron Manning is rated 89 by ESPN and is a 3 star. Eron Harris was 85 and a 2 star. This board seemed higher on Harris and he is heading to the Big East. We don't know if Manning even has an offer from UD and even though he is a lead candidate for Mr. Kentucky his choices are UD, MU, DU, and IUPUI. That math isn't working here for me, but for some strange reason I can't wait until 6:00 and I'll be bummed if we don't get him. Strange process these days.
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That's because stars and ranking don't mean squat. These are given by people who watch only certain players and many times these higher "rankings" or whatever they're called are given to players based how many times a guy saw a player versus not seeing a player. They're also given to kids who play for coaches, many times, that the guys doing the rankings like and have previous relationships with.
They're also given to kids based on "potential". Potential means ZILCH once a kid goes away to school, is on his own, and now has to compete at a position with a couple other kids. Other than the few obvious kids, and that's no guarantee, it's absolutely impossible to tell how good a 16-17 year old kid will be by the time he hits 19-20.
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Well, rankings do mean some "squat".
But I concur with your overall point. They are not a means to all ends. For example, in the vast majority of cases, a 4 star player is going to have existing skills that exceed a 2 star. To what degree depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which is whether your team has the shorfalls of the 2 already covered on your roster. Then every year there are one or two prospects that prove that theory wrong.
It just like Consumer Report or JD Powell quality ratings, a 5 rating vs a 6 (out of 10) is too ambiguous to consider, but a 3 vs 9 in a crash test better get one's attention.
The statement about a recruit, "All he can do is shoot 3's", or "He is a shoot first point guard", might be just what your team needs. One man's junk is another man's treasure.
And all the perception and understanding of the above is what separates good coaches and marginal coaches.
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I agree. A lot of it now depends upon visibility in club ball. If someone hasn't competed in club ball they haven't had many chances against great players. They could also be a little bit behind in their development. I wouldn't mind taking a chance on someone who is rough around the edges but has the determination to make himself a great player.
For years we were killed by players from smaller schools. There are a LOT of players out there who can help us that might not be highly recruited. It might not be their first season though...
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Are we actively recruiting any shooting guards for 2012?
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Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer
But I concur with your overall point. They are not a means to all ends. For example, in the vast majority of cases, a 4 star player is going to have existing skills that exceed a 2 star. To what degree depends on a lot of factors, not the least of which is whether your team has the shorfalls of the 2 already covered on your roster. Then every year there are one or two prospects that prove that theory wrong.
It just like Consumer Report or JD Powell quality ratings, a 5 rating vs a 6 (out of 10) is too ambiguous to consider, but a 3 vs 9 in a crash test better get one's attention.
The statement about a recruit, "All he can do is shoot 3's", or "He is a shoot first point guard", might be just what your team needs. One man's junk is another man's treasure.
And all the perception and understanding of the above is what separates good coaches and marginal coaches.
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But the differences, SDF, are that the extremes you're using in variance are widespread in a 3 versus a 9. We all know that variance is much smaller, as in a 1-5, in evaluating in recruiting. Also , who the heck are some of these guys that get to put a star rating by a kid? I know 2 guys who evaluate for scout.com in football who are so unknowledgeable in evaluating that they can't even explain what it means when a DE "crashes down" on backside. These guys strictly go by athletic prowess and projection. The LB/DE at Centerville right now is listed as a top 50 player in the country and a top 5 LB ,yet, the kid hasn't made a play all year long but he runs a nasty 100/220, is 6'4" and 215 lbs who can also long jump 20 plus feet. We also know that projections and forecasting are all abstract when determining success or outcome in the future. thus, the "it's impossible" to determine how good a kid is going to 3-4 years down the road when all of the other intangibles and tangibles come into play like competition, studies, being away from home, work ethic, learning plays, being a "team" guy and not the big superstar, meeting varied and new friends with different interests that might sway a kid's attention, and, most of all, the possible realization that he ain't going to be a NBA/NFL player. How many kids in HS are the absolute best players on their teams, the studs, that are just too small, not as fast, and not as strong as "projections" determine them down the road. Yet, the kid that ain't near the player but 7 inches taller, 25 lbs heavier, and able to jump much higher "project" much higher, thus, are more worthy of being "invested" into by a school.
You're also using "proof" as in ratings that have a long history of saying this/that about a car, etc...If 3000 GM buicks are test-driven for a certain feature and 300 of those don't pass then officially a report can be concurred that that type of car does not perform well at that task or a certain percentage does not. But that evaluation is absolutely impossible when taking a 15-17 year old kid and crystal-balling the guy into what type of player he will be as a 19-20 year old. Can't do it. Now, you can take your chances and say he will but the proof is not there.It's also the biggest reason why HS OL in football are the biggest group of uncertainties when projecting.
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Some good points Steve.
Again, I agree that those who would discriminate with absolutes among recruits who are ranked closely in ANY scale are foolhardy. And I agree that any clown who puts out rankings should not be grouped in the same level of expertise as those who work at it constantly. The big mistake is made by fans who wring their hands over recruits that are a click or two apart.
On the other hand to dismiss the whole rating and ranking process as worthless is also just as foolhardy. You take the 1's and I'll take the 4's and kick your *ss any day of the week. Just have to be wary and smart in using the process as a coach.
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Originally Posted by steve
That's because stars and ranking don't mean squat. These are given by people who watch only certain players and many times these higher "rankings" or whatever they're called are given to players based how many times a guy saw a player versus not seeing a player. They're also given to kids who play for coaches, many times, that the guys doing the rankings like and have previous relationships with.
They're also given to kids based on "potential". Potential means ZILCH once a kid goes away to school, is on his own, and now has to compete at a position with a couple other kids. Other than the few obvious kids, and that's no guarantee, it's absolutely impossible to tell how good a 16-17 year old kid will be by the time he hits 19-20.
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TJ McConnell, the A10 rookie of the year from Duquesne, was a 2 star. In his final high school game, I watched that kid throw in 34 points against a team from Philadelphia that was ranked in the top five in the country in the Pa AAA Championship game. I remember thinking if this kid is a 2 star I'd sure like to see a 5 star.
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Adam Wing (6'3, 195 lb), a SG from Kentucky (reputation as a 3 pt. shooter going 11 for 12 in the last 2 games of teh state tournament this past spring), may be looking to reopen his commitment - Oklahoma State took 2 commitments in a package deal giving them 4 verbals for 3 spots for 2012. Travis Ford visited Wing last week and said the offer was still good for now but if there are no changes in their line-up after this season (transfers, early NBA, etc), he'll be asked to go the prep school route; so Wing may reopen his recruitment in football and basketball (he initially committed to play QB for Marshall before OSU offered). Have no idea if he's the type of player AM would be interested in, or if he would be interested in UD, but another example of a player that unexpectedly could become an option
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We didn't want him anyway, I'll bet we didn't even offer. :-)
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That kind of stinks for Adam Wing - postponing college. If he's a decent student, he could probably earn some college credit at a prep school and then have a smaller class load while in college. If he's not an NBA prospect, playing as a 5th year senior isn't necessarily a bad thing.
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Here's my take on the rating systems. For the elite players they are usually spot on. But as you get out of the top 100 they start to get more and more unreliable. The evaluation is almost entirely based on potential and seems to evaluate more to NBA criteria. Therefore the undersized power forward who can't jump much but is an excellent passer and has a high basketball IQ, isn't going to rate as high as the 6'10" 240 power forward who gets his head above the rim but never learned fundamentals. This is because the first option is close to his maximum potential while the later hasn't even scratched the surface. The evaluators simply expect that the athletic players will learn the other parts of the game. The process will often overlook that the first player could be great in college, regardless of if he makes the NBA or not.
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Deontae Hawkins visited creighton this weekend according to rivals. Is he going to end up playing with Yates after all? That would be a tough loss for us. He would be a nice piece to the puzzle.
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What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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We're done?!?!?!?
Oh my.
You mean to tell me our recruiting for 2012 is concluded? You gotta be kidding me! You're saying that we're out of the running for the guard from Brooklyn (Kedar Edwards) and for Devon Scott?
Man, that is depressing, if true. I thought we were off to a strong start and the Robinson kid from Northland would help us bring in Hawkins, Scott, and Yates. Boy, were such rumors off base. Or was there a good chance of that until the Brooklyn point guard, Thomas, committed and Yates took a U-turn on UD.
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I thought we were off to a strong start and the Robinson kid from Northland would help us bring in Hawkins, Scott, and Yates. Boy, were such rumors off base. Or was there a good chance of that until the Brooklyn point guard, Thomas, committed and Yates took a U-turn on UD.
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I'm wondering the same thing. If we hadn't landed Thomas, would we have gotten Yates? And if we had gotten Yates, would we have landed Hawkins? If Hawkins goes to Creighton it would seem one major reason is that Yates is going there. After all, if he goes to Creighton it's not like he is passing on UD for a BCS conference school.
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What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.
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That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.
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Lots of talk about this kid on the Iowa State boards. But I don't understand the talk that he could join a team this year.
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Pretty much we are back to a 10 scholarship roster for 2012 at this moment. It is hard to believe we won't be able to attract a good SG or combo for 2012. The 2012 roster is only one deep at that position. Still, I would rather see Archie stick to his guns and wait for the right recruit for the team he is building.
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That isn't true. UD is hosting SG Naz Long on his official visit either this weekend or next. He plans on signing in the early period and UD is in his final 4 along with Missouri, Iowa St, and Rice.
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question, is there an official way to see who's visiting and when?
thru grapevine around AD department? campus? Scout or hoops pages?
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i saw some nice hesitation moves , and he seemed good with the dribble.
on down side, NONE of the shots were challenged and there was not a lot of contact on the floor. Hard to tell anything from this vid.
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What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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Giving up on the class of 2012 with 3 open scholarships seems unlikely. They'd only have 10 eligible scholarship players for the 2012-2013 season in that case, and Archie is complaining this year about only having 10 eligible scholarship players. It seems unlikely that Archie would want to repeat this year's scenario.
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Archie has landed five recruits in six months on the job. And every one of those five had been extended and accepted a scholarship offer to a BCS school before landing at Dayton. He's doing fine.
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Perhaps just mincing words, but hasn't Scott said he would be a spring signee?
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Yes. Scott is likely spring. Most schools want a better feel for if he will qualify. And dan get a grip. Starting from where they did with 2012 the staff did fairly well. Class of 2013 lines up better from timing but for schools in UD status it will be 2014 before you get a full sense of how well this staff recruits.
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It's mid-October, the staff isn't going to give up on the November signing period already.
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Recruiting is a numbers game. X number of targets, Y number of official visits, Z number of commits. When you have as many on your target list as Arch, you are going to lose some.
Everyone remembers Babe Ruth hitting 60 home runs, but few recall that he struck out a gazillion times while getting to 60.
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"If I'd just tried for them dinky singles I could've batted around .600."
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Glad Arch is trying for the home runs.
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Initial signing day in Nov 9. Three weeks from Wednesday. And unlike spring, most kids signing in November do so on the first two days.
Giving up may not be the right word, but all signs around the edges is they are largely shifting efforts. Practice has started, fewer visits, less chatter, open talk of holding one or two scholarships - lower odds. Not impossible, but becoming improbable.
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I know AM recently stated that he was planning on holding one scholly for a possible transfer, but I never heard (or thought) that he'd be holding two at the end of this signing period. He and his staff really hit the ground running and got some apparently good kids in a short amount of time. However, I'd be a little disappointed if we're "done" for the Fall at this point, although, he'll still have another shot in the Spring. Having said that, I agree with NorthwestFlyer that he should still wait for the "right" recruit for the team he's trying to build.
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I think with two top recruits having verballed, I think we should be able to get another player or two between the fall and spring signing period. If we have a schollie left, that wouldn't be all bad as I think we only have three available for 2013. If at all possible a center would be most crirical, as we lose both of our present centers next year.
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Where does Naz Long hail from?
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Where does Naz Long hail from?
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Canada, he played at Findlay Prep last year, but he is back home this year (I believe)
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Found naz long on rivals site. Says he has offers from Iowa and Iowa state with a visit to each over the past two weeks. No mention of other schools, but I like to see a 6'4 pg. If he does have a visit next week I hope it is a good one. Sounds like a nice player.
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Originally Posted by Gilchrist's Autograph 2
Found naz long on rivals site. Says he has offers from Iowa and Iowa state with a visit to each over the past two weeks. No mention of other schools, but I like to see a 6'4 pg. If he does have a visit next week I hope it is a good one. Sounds like a nice player.
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According to Dave Telep's twitter, Naz Long to Iowa State
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Oh well. On one hand, I noticed that ESPN only gave him a grade of 83. But, on the other hand, he was a 3 star player on Rivals, and he had other offers from Creighton, Iowa State, Miami(Florida), Missouri, Rice, and Western Kentucky, so he had to have been a pretty good player.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...08423/naz-long
http://rivals.yahoo.com/dayton/baske...th-Long-132535
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Originally Posted by shapanud
According to Dave Telep's twitter, Naz Long to Iowa State
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thanks Shap.
sounds like Hawkins really wants to go away. I'd be happy with Scott and Edwards, those are two guys i think we have a better than average chance with
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If you are largely finished with November you still have spring and jucos. And mid year transfers. It doesn't mean you have 10 again. You might get another commit in fall but I don't think they are real high on that given how top targets have played out.
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It is always possible we are waiting for someone to get grades. Archie mentioned that some players would be diamonds in the rough so I won't be shocked if we take someone with a ton of raw potential but very little skill. But, it would also need to be a guy committed to getting better.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
If you are largely finished with November you still have spring and jucos. And mid year transfers. It doesn't mean you have 10 again. You might get another commit in fall but I don't think they are real high on that given how top targets have played out.
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Are these your top targets, or the coaching staff's top targets? Considering that our three most recent commitments were not even mentioned as potential targets on this board before they committed, I have a hard time believing anyone on this board knows exactly what is going through the coaches heads.
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Originally Posted by bcross
Are these are your top targets, or the coaching staff's top targets? Considering the our three most recent commitments were not even mentioned as potential targets on this board before they committed, I have a hard time believing anyone on this board knows exactly what is going through the coaches heads.
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I guess the guys who are the first home visits and officiL visits aren't top targets. It certainly wasn't any secret to people covering ud that Hawkins and Harris were at or near the top of the list.
And yes nobody here knows for sure.
And everything doesn't have to bright red and blue. At time those with dissenting views have a point.
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Deontae Hawkins, Devon Scott & Kedar Edwards Updates
"The University of Dayton men’s basketball coaches have told Deontae Hawkins that he is their top recruiting priority in the senior class, but they’ll have to fight a former UD coach to land the Dunbar High School star."
There are also updates on Scott and Edwards.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...l-1272838.html
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I understand the urge of a high school senior to want to spread his/her wings and go away to college...heck I encouraged my two kids to go away to school in order to fully appreciate the college experience. However, while I've always enjoyed Chicago (it's a heckuva Town), it gets mighty cold there during the winter (bone chilling, actually) and the DePaul campus (if you can call it that) leaves a lot to be desired...plus their arena is a dump; so stay home Deontae, play in front of family and friends and become a Flyer.
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A few reasons why Hawkins may not want to commit to DePaul:
1) Last year they had a 7-24 record (1-17 in the Big East). In OOC games, they lost to some big name teams:
- Western Carolina
- Oklahoma State
- CSU Northridge
- Stanford
- Indiana State (by 22 points)
- Ball State
2) Their arena in Rosemont, Ill is a is a multi-purpose arena that is rented from the city. It is a 1 hour drive from campus and seats 17,500. Parking costs $11-$20.
3) There is little student interest in attending games. Their 2011 average attendance was 7,676 (rated 67th per ESPN). Dayton's 2011 attendance was 12, 576 (rated 27th).
4) I hear it is pretty quiet in that arena during DePaul games.
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Originally Posted by UD Sam
A few reasons why Hawkins may not want to commit to DePaul:
1) Last year they had a 7-24 record (1-17 in the Big East). In OOC games, they lost to some big name teams:
- Western Carolina
- Oklahoma State
- CSU Northridge
- Stanford
- Indiana State (by 22 points)
- Ball State
2) Their arena in Rosemont, Ill is a is a multi-purpose arena that is rented from the city. It is a 1 hour drive from campus and seats 17,500. Parking costs $11-$20.
3) There is little student interest in attending games. Their 2011 average attendance was 7,676 (rated 67th per ESPN). Dayton's 2011 attendance was 12, 576 (rated 27th).
4) I hear it is pretty quiet in that arena during DePaul games.
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The All State Arena is the worst basketball facility I have ever been in, but I admit my experience is limited. As I mentioned before, the seats slope up from the floor at a very slight angle, so you can be pretty far away from court side and not have the advantage of looking down somewhat on the action. The building was also built on the cheap according to an article in the Chicago Tribune when it was under construction, and it showed it, at least the last time I was there. The roof, incidentally, was made completely of wood (not steel) to save money. And the rest rooms and vending areas were substandard.
On television they keep the lights out in the upper areas of the building (ala Millet Hall at Miami of Ohio) because they don't want you to see the building is way less than half filled. It is a drafty old barn much better suited to tractor pulls and monster truck rallys than basketball.
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Not sure who this DDN writer but it is chock full of recruiting goodness.
http://www.daytondailynews.com/dayto...l-1273173.html
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“I think they’re going to be a Butler-type of program, a mid-major none of the high-majors want to play”
That is wrong. We're already a team the high-majors don't want to play - good enough to possibly beat them but it's still a bad loss (in their eyes). Butler is a notch above us at tihs point - good enough that a loss is a "good" loss.
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
“I think they’re going to be a Butler-type of program, a mid-major none of the high-majors want to play”
That is wrong. We're already a team the high-majors don't want to play - good enough to possibly beat them but it's still a bad loss (in their eyes). Butler is a notch above us at tihs point - good enough that a loss is a "good" loss.
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I thought the same thing when I read it.
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I may be just a wee bit optimistic in my assessment, but IMO we've gotten to the point where we aren't even a "bad" loss anymore. I think that what's been accomplished over the past ten years or so to upgrade our program, along with our participation and competitiveness in some high profile tournaments, has really improved our image; we've also been more consistent in our play. We've also gotten a lot of favorable press, our national profile's been elevated and we provide a first class, high-energy venue for teams to compete. While the A-10 isn't a BCS conference, it is considered to be a "High Major" by the college basketball magazines, such as the "Sporting News", not a "Mid-Major" like the Horizon conference. If Archie can continue to elevate our program, we should be able to put the nightmare years from the late '80s through the '90s to rest and scheduling should get easier.
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I'm not on the Twitter, but this guy committed to Creighton today which could help our chances at landing Hawkins.
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Thanks, Thirt. On Twitter, I'm not sure if there is a way to find the name of a "twitterer" - if so, I'm probably one of the few who doesn't know how. After Googling, I discovered that the recruit who verballed to Creighton today is Tevin Calhoun. Some info on him:
- 6"7' Forward, not ranked on Rivals
- Attends Hill Jr. College in Texas
- In 2009 he verballed to Central Connecticut U before he received his SAT test score. So it sounds like he attended junior college because his SAT score didn't make the grade.
He doesn't sound like the typical Creighton recruit.
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Reading the tea leaves Hawkins wants to play out of town but close. UD best hope is he doesn't like his visit to DePaul, and do othe BCS conference member gets involved. The BCS alure and out of town pull is why I hear chances aren't high.
Did find it interesting that Thomas transferred to improve chances of qualifying. Hopefully he is close and the the split with SJU was not because they thought it was unlikely. Edwards and Scott are nonqualifiers at this point too. Which is why none of three have visited. Maybe UD is going to be a little more accepting of partial and nonqualifiers. That would be a good thing in my mind. But probably a reason November signing period is not at the forefront. Not sure Scott or Edwatds would sign with no official visits or if they even can without a qualifying ACT. Don't think they will have their scores by the signing period in November.
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Update on Devon Scott 6' 9" forward from Columbus Northland
After making an unofficial visit, Devon Scott feels like Dayton has moved to the top of his list. He is considered one of the program's top targets.
See his comments in the DDN article link below.
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Apparently, we were in on a 6-6 small forward from Houston who ended up committing to Oregon.
http://coast2coastrecruiting.net/201...ins-the-ducks/
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Did find it interesting that Thomas transferred to improve chances of qualifying. Hopefully he is close and the the split with SJU was not because they thought it was unlikely. Edwards and Scott are nonqualifiers at this point too. Which is why none of three have visited. Maybe UD is going to be a little more accepting of partial and nonqualifiers. That would be a good thing in my mind. But probably a reason November signing period is not at the forefront. Not sure Scott or Edwatds would sign with no official visits or if they even can without a qualifying ACT. Don't think they will have their scores by the signing period in November.
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I haven't kept up with this. Have Scott and Thomas qualified? I assume Robinson has qualified.
Next year's roster:
1Dillard
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4Derenbecker
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Originally Posted by ud2
I haven't kept up with this. Have Scott and Thomas qualified? I assume Robinson has qualified.
Next year's roster:
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3Sanford
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Yes and Thomas is coming Sat for his official visit by his twitter page
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14 points in the first exhibition. Interesting, this guy can get to the "___________" Fill in the Blank.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
What I hear is UD no longer thinks they are in the hunt for Hawkins and haven't been for almost a month. Right now it looks like they are done with November signing period and are turning to transfers and class of 2013.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Initial signing day in Nov 9. Three weeks from Wednesday. And unlike spring, most kids signing in November do so on the first two days.
Giving up may not be the right word, but all signs around the edges is they are largely shifting efforts. Practice has started, fewer visits, less chatter, open talk of holding one or two scholarships - lower odds. Not impossible, but becoming improbable.
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Any word on why UD was able to get Scott? From your previous posts you were really leaning towards UD not landing anybody in the fall signing period. Did they have a better feel for whether he would qualify or not?
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Any word on why UD was able to get Scott? From your previous posts you were really leaning towards UD not landing anybody in the fall signing period. Did they have a better feel for whether he would qualify or not?
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At this point Arch had nothing to lose. If he doesn't qualify, we pocket the scholarship.
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Ok, so how does this work? If he doesn't qualify, then he has to sit out the 2012-2013 season, and he counts against the 13 scholarship limit for the 2012-2013 season? Or maybe he decides to go to prep school for a year next year to get qualified before he comes to UD? And I guess the same thing can be said about Thomas also.
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The general consensus was Scott was a spring commit if he qualified. I'm glad I was wrong about no more commits in the November period.
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Yes on both counts.
A recruit can either be a partial qualifier or a nonqualifier. Combinations of test scores and core course grades determine if a recruit qualifies (and can play as a freshman), is a partial qualifier (and can receive a scholarship, practice, but not play) or is a nonqualifier (and can't receive a scholarship, can't practice and can't play). The rules could have changed a little around that, but that's pretty much what it was like.
If the recruit is a partial qualifier, pretty sure they count against the 13 limit. If they are a nonqualifier they do not. I don't know what the Big East rules on partial and nonqualifiers are, but some conferences do not permit members to accept partial and nonqualifiers. Surprisingly the SEC has been one of those - if you don't qualify you don't get in. In some cases that's why their are decommits from BCS programs.
So, if one of UD's recruits sign an LOI and then becomes a nonqualifier they: 1) pay their own way at UD and sit out for a year 2) go somewhere else and sit out for a year due to costs (this is what the big kid at Xavier did) or 3) go to prep school for a year to try and get the necessary grades and scores to qualify (this is what Tony Stanley did). Under either 2) or 3) the national letter of intent is meaningless, essentially recruitment is reopened.
Based on the fact neither Scott or Thomas could take official visits prior to the last ACT exam, my guess is if nothing changed they would be nonqualifiers. Partials generally have a high enough score to take officials, but not the right combination of score and grades/courses. I haven't heard anything on whether either are likely to qualify or not, or if their likelihood of qualifying as anything to do with why they decommitted.
I'm in favor of UD pursuing kids who may not qualify - as long as they are convinced the recruit wants to do the class work. Xavier has done pretty well with partial and nonqualifiers over the years - particulalrly partial qualifiers. They've done pretty well challenging status and getting the NCAA Clearinghouse to apply partial qualifier status too. Anectodotal evidence - and some comments I've heard - indicates UD has been too quick to walk away from partial and nonqualifiers. Scott and Holland are the only ones I can recall in the past 15 years. Stanley wasn't admitted until he qualified (either at his or the school's insistence, or both).
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Got a verbal commit
Rumor is Scott.
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11-11-2011, 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by funeralplanner
Rumor is Scott.
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uhh...what? lol
also according to dayton mens basketball twitter jevon signed his NLI
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11-11-2011, 09:56 PM
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Originally Posted by funeralplanner
Rumor is Scott.
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You can bury this one!
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11-14-2011, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Yes on both counts.
A recruit can either be a partial qualifier or a nonqualifier. Combinations of test scores and core course grades determine if a recruit qualifies (and can play as a freshman), is a partial qualifier (and can receive a scholarship, practice, but not play) or is a nonqualifier (and can't receive a scholarship, can't practice and can't play). The rules could have changed a little around that, but that's pretty much what it was like.
If the recruit is a partial qualifier, pretty sure they count against the 13 limit. If they are a nonqualifier they do not. I don't know what the Big East rules on partial and nonqualifiers are, but some conferences do not permit members to accept partial and nonqualifiers. Surprisingly the SEC has been one of those - if you don't qualify you don't get in. In some cases that's why their are decommits from BCS programs.
So, if one of UD's recruits sign an LOI and then becomes a nonqualifier they: 1) pay their own way at UD and sit out for a year 2) go somewhere else and sit out for a year due to costs (this is what the big kid at Xavier did) or 3) go to prep school for a year to try and get the necessary grades and scores to qualify (this is what Tony Stanley did). Under either 2) or 3) the national letter of intent is meaningless, essentially recruitment is reopened.
Based on the fact neither Scott or Thomas could take official visits prior to the last ACT exam, my guess is if nothing changed they would be nonqualifiers. Partials generally have a high enough score to take officials, but not the right combination of score and grades/courses. I haven't heard anything on whether either are likely to qualify or not, or if their likelihood of qualifying as anything to do with why they decommitted.
I'm in favor of UD pursuing kids who may not qualify - as long as they are convinced the recruit wants to do the class work. Xavier has done pretty well with partial and nonqualifiers over the years - particulalrly partial qualifiers. They've done pretty well challenging status and getting the NCAA Clearinghouse to apply partial qualifier status too. Anectodotal evidence - and some comments I've heard - indicates UD has been too quick to walk away from partial and nonqualifiers. Scott and Holland are the only ones I can recall in the past 15 years. Stanley wasn't admitted until he qualified (either at his or the school's insistence, or both).
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Great post. Sim Bhullar was a non qualifier at Xavier and instead chose New Mexico State due to the lower cost of tuition. I'm also in favor of taking players who may not qualify so long as they are commmitted to doing the class work.
Here is a chart that explains what combination of grades and test scores you have to have in order to be a qualifier or partial qualifier. Not sure if that chart is current according to today's requirements.
http://www.ath.umich.edu/compliance/clearinghouse/
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11-16-2011, 01:08 PM
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deontae hawkins signed with wichita state according to jeff borzello of cbssports
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11-16-2011, 03:01 PM
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Hope he enjoys it out on the prairie. It can be pretty at times.
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11-18-2011, 08:04 PM
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looks like archie and co. still working hard.. just spotted this:
http://eye-on-college-basketball-rec...84776/33378273
"Missouri, Washington, Nebraska and Dayton are all showing interest to the 6-foot-6 small forward from Little Rock, Ark."
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11-18-2011, 08:55 PM
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I know we have 2 schollies left, but Arch said willing to pocket one. This guy may be really good, but we really need a shooting guard in the 2012 class. Would Arch use both schollies?
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11-19-2011, 08:20 AM
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interesting. this guy has to be good and and athlete for missouri and washington to be looking.
hmmmm
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