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Welcome to the Family Elijah Weaver!
We are off the schneid! ha
Sit 1, Play 2... Really good by the Staff... The 6'6" USC Guard out of Florida was #44 in the 2018 247 Class, #58 on Rivals.
The combo guard is a big time athlete... Is he the greatest shooter in the world? No, hopefully that continues to improve in the transfer year... But still one heck of a get for UD.
Will probably be our go-to player in 2021.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
We are off the schneid! ha
Sit 1, Play 2... Really good by the Staff... The 6'6" USC Guard out of Florida was #44 in the 2018 247 Class, #58 on Rivals.
The combo guard is a big time athlete... Is he the greatest shooter in the world? No, hopefully that continues to improve in the transfer year... But still one heck of a get for UD.
Will probably be our go-to player in 2021.
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Can't wait to see him in a Flyers uniform. He and Cohill together will provide much excitement for the Flyer Faithful.
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Weaver said Coach Greer and CAG were the reasons he committed. Also Ibi, Jalen and the rest of the team. Jordy joined his IG live video
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Can't wait to see him in a Flyers uniform. He and Cohill together will provide much excitement for the Flyer Faithful.
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Two 4-star guards leading the way in 2021-22 with several 2-star high ceiling, athletic sophomores backing them up and learning what it takes to be a Flyer. And, just like that, guard play for 2021-22 is no longer a concern. Great job by the coaching staff and love hearing the players were so engaged.
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
Coach Greer is a future star in his industry... gonna have to pay up to keep him at some point.
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No doubt CAG takes care of the man. Same with Niel. Weaver seemed like a smart young man during the committment video. Seems like the type of kid that would immediately gravitate towards CAG and his style. With Frazier, Brea, Weaver we have some serious height at the guard positions in 2021 and beyond. If we can get Frazier and Brea to develop and handle better that crew could be very dangerous in a couple years.
Imagine having two 6'5ish lefties bring the ball up.
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Originally Posted by EliteEight
Imagine having two 6'5ish lefties bring the ball up.
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We love lefties! Remember when we had W, Ramod, Nate, and Stelly all on the same team.
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Maddog is not happy. We signed a former 4-5 star recruit. Great job by CAG and his staff!
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We love lefties! Remember when we had W, Ramod, Nate, and Stelly all on the same team.
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college basketball history, and he was a lefty...
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I believe this is the highest ranked recruit we've ever landed? Need a fact check on that.
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So I guess the answer to:
should I be concerned about our guards
we heard this time and again, but
we already knew the answer...
N to the O...no!
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Maddog is not happy. We signed a former 4-5 star recruit. Great job by CAG and his staff!
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It just hit me why maddog visited the volleyball thread towards the end of the season last season. Dayton MBB is getting too good for him to continue to post negative comments. He was looking for a new home to spread his “cheer”.
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Originally Posted by hawkoooo
I believe this is the highest ranked recruit we've ever landed? Need a fact check on that.
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In the transfer thread someone pointed out Sibert was highly ranked. I think the argument could be made for each player. Someone will have to dig out all the numbers. Weaver was ranked a 5-star by 24/7 and 4-star by three others. I don’t think UD has ever had a 5-star. Rankings are also impacted by the other talent in your class. Clearly Weaver represents one of the Top 2-3.
He needs to come in ready to get after it. Give 110% everyday. And let this talented coaching staff and great teammates get him back to one of the best guards in the country and NBA-ready.
Seriously, three years ago Dayton and NBA-ready players just wasn’t in the conversation, and look at us now.
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Supposedly a good defender and good at attacking the basket. I'm sure after a redshirt year the shooting %s will be rebound
He was ranked 58th by Rivals, 45 by 247 & 37th by ESPN out of high school. Per LHS 2nd highest rated guy out of high school behind Sibert to end up here this century
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
In the transfer thread someone pointed out Sibert was highly ranked. I think the argument could be made for each player. Someone will have to dig out all the numbers. Weaver was ranked a 5-star by 24/7 and 4-star by three others. I don’t think UD has ever had a 5-star. Rankings are also impacted by the other talent in your class. Clearly Weaver represents one of the Top 2-3.
He needs to come in ready to get after it. Give 110% everyday. And let this talented coaching staff and great teammates get him back to one of the best guards in the country and NBA-ready.
Seriously, three years ago Dayton and NBA-ready players just wasn’t in the conversation, and look at us now.
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4 star on 247 but still a top 50 guy
https://247sports.com/Player/Elijah-...school-212384/
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Weaver was ranked 58th by Rivals, 45 by 247 & 37th by ESPN
Sibert was 41 on 247 composite, 39 on Rivals 82nd on ESPN
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I picked up the 5-star ranking from this Clemson site when they offered him in high school. Don’t know if he was ever a 5-star or if this is just a mistake? Thanks for the 24/7 link.
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Originally Posted by OSU Flyer
Weaver was ranked 58th by Rivals, 45 by 247 & 37th by ESPN
Sibert was 41 on 247 composite, 39 on Rivals 82nd on ESPN
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isn't this a great discussion to have?!
I love it...
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247 Write Up
"I chose Dayton because I honestly believe in coach [Anthony] Grant and the plan he and the assistant coaches have in place for me," Weaver said. "They have been doing something special over at Dayton and I just want to be a big part of what’s next to come."
"His honesty," Weaver said when asked about Grant. "He was straight forward and really showed me he cared about not only my basketball career but as a person."
Due to the current NCAA transfer rules, Weaver will be forced to sit out next season before having two years of eligibility at his future destination. Weaver is, however, expected to apply for a waiver for immediate eligibility.
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I picked up the 5-star ranking from this Clemson site when they offered him in high school. Don’t know if he was ever a 5-star or if this is just a mistake? Thanks for the 24/7 link.
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He might have been. The recruiting rankings change over time. 247 had him at 22nd in the country earlier in his career
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Net out is AG’s positionless offense will be in good hands with Weaver-Cohill (two 4-star guards) taking over the team from Chatman-Crutcher in two years. When Weaver named his final 3 programs he made a point to say Grant’s offensive system fit his talents.
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Tony Stanley was like #37 by Prep Stars. Rodney Horton was Top-40 on a couple lists too.
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21-22 there's some sort of veteran core now. Cohill, Weaver and 2 redshirt Sophs in Sissoko and Zimi
Potential to trot out some serious size for an A10 team at the guard position with Luke, Koby, RJ, Weaver
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Tony Stanley was like #37 by Prep Stars. Rodney Horton was Top-40 on a couple lists too.
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Chip Hare was really high?
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Originally Posted by lhsgolf19
We are off the schneid! ha
Sit 1, Play 2... Really good by the Staff... The 6'6" USC Guard out of Florida was #44 in the 2018 247 Class, #58 on Rivals.
The combo guard is a big time athlete... Is he the greatest shooter in the world? No, hopefully that continues to improve in the transfer year... But still one heck of a get for UD.
Will probably be our go-to player in 2021.
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Now, it's official.
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Maddog is not happy. We signed a former 4-5 star recruit. Great job by CAG and his staff!
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Originally Posted by BeckysTXA
It just hit me why maddog visited the volleyball thread towards the end of the season last season. Dayton MBB is getting too good for him to continue to post negative comments. He was looking for a new home to spread his “cheer”.
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Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud? You’re no better than him at this point. I could not care less about some people’s negativity. I just want to win
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Check out Weaver going through this defender's legs in some street ball.
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Very good news. Sounds like a very talented player, but more importantly a great fit with the guys already in our program. CAG has proven that he wants guys who fit well in his system and program, and Elijah Weaver looks like he’ll be a great fit.
Welcome to The University of Dayton, Elijah!
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Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud? You’re no better than him at this point. I could not care less about some people’s negativity. I just want to win
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we have to setup our spikes at the net
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Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud? You’re no better than him at this point. I could not care less about some people’s negativity. I just want to win
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TXFlyer, since you posted a question mark behind the comment, “Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud?” So I’ll answer that question. Can’t speak for Monster, but my post was directed at maddog in fun... nothing more or less. I was very happy he started following the volleyball thread last fall. I’m always happy when UD fans find the volleyball program and hopefully actually like the sport, learn more about it and become a long term follower. Come one come all.
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Coach Grants staff has established and followed a plan to find talented HS players who may have lost their way for a year or two on a P5 pine bench or similar sub role. What I like is that circumstances have made them sit a year or two and morphed into grown men who embrace hard work and cherish a role on our squad.
Can't say enough about the tenured talent we had this year surrounding Obi Toppin. These guys embraced our younger players and assisted in their development.
Have no doubt Grant will continue the same plan looking forward.
Weaver just seems such a great piece to round out the roster even if he doesn't get the waiver. (A Weaver Waiver )
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Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud? You’re no better than him at this point. I could not care less about some people’s negativity. I just want to win
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I just won a $5 bet on your post. If you couldn't care less, why did you post?
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TXFlyer, since you posted a question mark behind the comment, “Instead of being happy y’all just want to throw mud?” So I’ll answer that question. Can’t speak for Monster, but my post was directed at maddog in fun... nothing more or less. I was very happy he started following the volleyball thread last fall. I’m always happy when UD fans find the volleyball program and hopefully actually like the sport, learn more about it and become a long term follower. Come one come all.
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me too! mine was in fun,
tried to post some smiley faces
but couldn't figure it out, lol at me...
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Those are some sick numbers !
Weaver was the Class 6A state player of the year as a senior, averaging 23.1 points, 8.2 rebounds, 8.7 assists and 4.3 steals.
wow. Still trying to digest the Senior year Elijah had.
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I’m very happy and I think maddog can handle a little bit of mud-slinging.
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I hope he’s great for us. Sitting a year makes a big difference for some. But as to his “stars” - that ancient history. He was a 1 Star at SC.
I love how on one hand some are gaga over his stars in high school over TWO years ago. When we show interest in a no or low star they point to Obi or DO. Not everyone we recruit is golden boys. We have had a lot of success with transfers, mostly those who were little utilized elsewhere. We’ve also had a bunch of wiffs. I remain optimistic but skeptical of a kid who played a lot and did little.
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Very excited for Weaver. Talented young man, with smarts and whole lot of Dayton basketball ahead of him. Cheers to CAG and staff. I love our young guard height
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I hope he’s great for us. Sitting a year makes a big difference for some. But as to his “stars” - that ancient history. He was a 1 Star at SC.
I love how on one hand some are gaga over his stars in high school over TWO years ago. When we show interest in a no or low star they point to Obi or DO. Not everyone we recruit is golden boys. We have had a lot of success with transfers, mostly those who were little utilized elsewhere. We’ve also had a bunch of wiffs. I remain optimistic but skeptical of a kid who played a lot and did little.
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Yes we have all piled on the Obi-development bandwagon because it was one heck of a ride. But player development has not been a one-hit wonder under AG. Crutcher’s development under this coaching staff has been amazing. Last year at this time there were posters saying if Chip and Trey were starting we were in trouble. And the most impressive “development” of all was getting the entire team to buy-in to a team-first environment, even the NPOY. Very rare.
I believe AG & Co will continue to be some of the best at helping players reach their max potential. With the combination of highly recruited older players and young athletic high ceiling guys in this freshman class, the next 1-3 years will certainly be an opportunity to solidify this belief, or prove me wrong.
I don’t think we are done yet. I think AG will get a player available to play this season. I believe in the coaches and AGs system of building this thing the right way. Three years into this, I just can’t see an argument that comes to any other conclusion. Everyone is all-in at this point and that too is rare. Even with Jhery transferring this season, everyone wanted him to stay, but understood his need to go somewhere he could get more minutes and more offensive opportunities. Nothing but best wishes left with him from top to bottom.
It was a good day to be a Flyer today, but I think time will prove the best day to be a Flyer was the day AG became the head coach.
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We now have three four-star players--Cohill, Nwokeji, and now Weaver. Gotta be the first time we've ever had that.
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We now have three four-star players--Cohill, Nwokeji, and now Weaver. Gotta be the first time we've ever had that.
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In the future when we tally up how much impact the historic season of 19-20 had on recruiting, we will have to count both Zimi and Elijah in the final assessment. Neither have played a minute in a Flyer uniform so we will have to wait to see how it plays out. But right now we can say AG leveraged this dream season to land two 4-star recruits.
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I guess that this means that Koby Brea and Elijah Weaver will be sitting on the end of the bench, not playing? As Brea will red shirt and Weaver must sit out as a transfer.
Ok, now let’s see who can play next year, shall we?
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Did a little digging and found this to be interesting...
So Elijah Weaver moved around high schools but he finished up at Rockledge High, where he was something of a legacy. Elijah's father Maurice "Mo Mo" Weaver was throwing down one-handed dunks and knocking down threes at a better than 50% clip in the early 90s there at Rockledge. The 6'4" guard was averaging 23 points and 9 rebounds. Those are some impressive stats, but what's even more impressive/crazy is the fact that Elijah put up almost the same stat line in his senior class 6A player of the year campaign. His line: 23.1 points, 8.2 rebounds (with 8.7 assists and 4.3 steals per game for added measure).
Here's an article about Elijah's pops: https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...125-story.html
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I guess that this means that Koby Brea and Elijah Weaver will be sitting on the end of the bench, not playing? As Brea will red shirt and Weaver must sit out as a transfer.
Ok, now let’s see who can play next year, shall we?
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How do we know Brea is RS? Did I miss something?
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Hawk000: You are correct. I have not seen any formal announcement that Brea will redshirt. But, I have read this strong possibility in several places. Also given that on several web sites; he only weighs 170 lbs. on a frame of somewhere between 6’4” and 6’5” plus he is only 17 years old; I am speculating that it would be best for him to redshirt. Otherwise, Grant has over recruited for that position of shooting guard. We have Watson, Cohill, Blakney and Frazier.
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How about our guard height in 2021-22?
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Besides Cohill (6'2) everyone's 6'4" to 6'6".
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I hope he’s great for us. Sitting a year makes a big difference for some. But as to his “stars” - that ancient history. He was a 1 Star at SC.
I love how on one hand some are gaga over his stars in high school over TWO years ago. When we show interest in a no or low star they point to Obi or DO. Not everyone we recruit is golden boys. We have had a lot of success with transfers, mostly those who were little utilized elsewhere. We’ve also had a bunch of wiffs. I remain optimistic but skeptical of a kid who played a lot and did little.
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I believe this is the highest ranked recruit we've ever landed? Need a fact check on that.
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I'm showing my age here but I think Roger Brown was the highest ranked player UD ever recruited. My understanding is that he and Connie Hawkins were considered the top two coming out of high school in 1960....and Roger outplayed him head-to-head in the NYC HS championship game. Of course the type of ranking used now did not exist then. What might have been......sigh.....
Might have been us instead of Texas Western taking the 1962 NCAA crown.
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I'm showing my age here but I think Roger Brown was the highest ranked player UD ever recruited. My understanding is that he and Connie Hawkins were considered the top two coming out of high school in 1960....and Roger outplayed him head-to-head in the NYC HS championship game. Of course the type of ranking used now did not exist then. What might have been......sigh.....
Might have been us instead of Texas Western taking the 1962 NCAA crown.
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That Texas Western (now UTEP) win over Kentucky was in 1966, not 1962.
In 1962 the Flyers won their first NIT.
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Originally Posted by Don
I'm showing my age here but I think Roger Brown was the highest ranked player UD ever recruited. My understanding is that he and Connie Hawkins were considered the top two coming out of high school in 1960....and Roger outplayed him head-to-head in the NYC HS championship game. Of course the type of ranking used now did not exist then. What might have been......sigh.....
Might have been us instead of Texas Western taking the 1962 NCAA crown.
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I thought Steve Smith - Incoming class of 84/85 - was the only McD All American - He definitely did not live up to the hype - but I thought he might be the highest rated recruit we had.
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I thought Steve Smith - Incoming class of 84/85 - was the only McD All American - He definitely did not live up to the hype - but I thought he might be the highest rated recruit we had.
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Originally Posted by Don
I'm showing my age here but I think Roger Brown was the highest ranked player UD ever recruited. My understanding is that he and Connie Hawkins were considered the top two coming out of high school in 1960....and Roger outplayed him head-to-head in the NYC HS championship game. Of course the type of ranking used now did not exist then. What might have been......sigh.....
Might have been us instead of Texas Western taking the 1962 NCAA crown.
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Yes, after that game, Roger Brown was named the #1 high school player in the country. Even if there had been rating services, I have no doubt that would still have been his ranking.
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Originally Posted by Don
I'm showing my age here but I think Roger Brown was the highest ranked player UD ever recruited. My understanding is that he and Connie Hawkins were considered the top two coming out of high school in 1960....and Roger outplayed him head-to-head in the NYC HS championship game. Of course the type of ranking used now did not exist then. What might have been......sigh.....
Might have been us instead of Texas Western taking the 1962 NCAA crown.
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You might be thinking of Loyola-Chicago in 1963. My dream front line would have been in 63-64. Henry Finkel, Roger Brown, and Bill Chmielewski, had he stayed. And throw in Henry Burlong for some quality minutes. That is National Championship material.
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College basketball transfer rankings for 2020-21 and 2021-22
Spring sit-out transfers eligible for the 2021-22 season
33. Elijah Weaver, 6-6, 210 pounds, SG, Soph., USC
Committed to Dayton
Former top-40 recruit in the 2018 class, Weaver started 19 games during his two seasons with the Trojans. Florida native averaged 6.6 points and 2.3 rebounds last season.
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Elijah to me has the size, strength, length, and quickness to be a cross between Ibi and Trey in the Anthony Grant puzzle park.
For those wanting to compare recruits to Obi, maybe we need to reboot. Elijah can be a great chip in our lineup, and with his 3 years of experience can replace some of the maturity we enjoyed this season by 21/22.
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Tweet from @JonRothstein
Dayton's Elijah Weaver will redshirt during the upcoming season and not file a waiver with the NCAA seeking immediate eligibility, per Anthony Grant.
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Tweet from @JonRothstein
Dayton's Elijah Weaver will redshirt during the upcoming season and not file a waiver with the NCAA seeking immediate eligibility, per Anthony Grant.
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I wonder out loud if Obi's path of being 22 years old and standing out among the competition will play into anyone's decision to not be in such a hurry all the time.
You can be 19 and enter the draft with nothing more than a 42" vertical leap and a chucker's jump shot, or, you can actually develop your skills and excel at being a fully developed player. If both are paths to the NBA, more guys will hang around.
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I wonder out loud if Obi's path of being 22 years old and standing out among the competition will play into anyone's decision to not be in such a hurry all the time.
You can be 19 and enter the draft with nothing more than a 42" vertical leap and a chucker's jump shot, or, you can actually develop your skills and excel at being a fully developed player. If both are paths to the NBA, more guys will hang around.
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Could also be PT. Why spend a year of eligibility playing behind established players when you could be the star when they are gone?
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I'd bank more on this scenario. If both waiting or playing sooner are paths to the NBA, who wouldn't jump in and make fat cash sooner, and likely for a couple years longer? I would, but you also have to be a big time stud.
But, why waste a year of a scholarship riding pine behind another guy if waiting gives you a better chance to develop and prove yourself if you're not quite at that level of stud?
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sitting out gives him a year or two to be showcased. He steps in as a lead guy in the back court
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I'd bank more on this scenario. If both waiting or playing sooner are paths to the NBA, who wouldn't jump in and make fat cash sooner, and likely for a couple years longer? I would, but you also have to be a big time stud.
But, why waste a year of a scholarship riding pine behind another guy if waiting gives you a better chance to develop and prove yourself if you're not quite at that level of stud?
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Problem is all of these kids think they are at stud level because that's what they are told time and time again growing up. So they don't always make the best or most rational decisions.
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Also, if I'm him I'm riding out this year and seeing what happens. Who knows if the season will happen and if it does, at what capacity. If it gets shortened or canceled altogether, who knows what NCAA will do in terms of eligibility. Better not to waste a year and come back when exposure is back to something more normal and when NBA scouts can actually come to games, etc.
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I thought the NCAA already said this year would not count towards eligibility, or maybe its just fall sports.
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Basically all transfers are being given immediate eligibility. Rhody got like 5 of them. Maybe Elijah should ask for the waiver, unless he's unwilling to come off the bench.
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Basically all transfers are being given immediate eligibility. Rhody got like 5 of them. Maybe Elijah should ask for the waiver, unless he's unwilling to come off the bench.
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thought I read where he had considered,
discussed with Coach Grant and is not asking
for the waiver... He is trusting Coach Grant
wise choice, could help him and UD tremendously
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Basically all transfers are being given immediate eligibility. Rhody got like 5 of them. Maybe Elijah should ask for the waiver, unless he's unwilling to come off the bench.
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I'm not sure why he would want to play behind Crutcher and Chatman for a season, and then have only one year left. He would be better off sitting out this season and then starting for two seasons (and so would the team).
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thought I read where he had considered,
discussed with Coach Grant and is not asking
for the waiver... He is trusting Coach Grant
wise choice, could help him and UD tremendously
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This has been determined. Weaver is sitting out this year. Dayton is not filling a waiver. Elijah discussed this with CAG and this year is a development year. Weaver will be seriously talented when he hits the UD Arena court in 14 months.
I don't understand the rush, take the year. Develop and get another year in school. Only 1.2% of college players get drafted.
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Basically all transfers are being given immediate eligibility. Rhody got like 5 of them.
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In this pandemic era with limited on-court time, URI will have it's handful meshing that many new faces into the mix. With all the newbies, and looking at a likely shortened season, I see them as a mid-pack team. Fatts didn't help that chemistry issue last season, and he is back.
Just saying that the Coach will have his hands full.
I like the Grant/Weaver plan for the future.
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OCFlyer85 brought this up in the Cohill thread but I think it is something that deserves discussion. Originally, Weaver was going to just sit a year because of the significant grouping at guard but does it now make sense to apply for his immediate eligibility? Two things have happened that change this year's circumstances: Cohill injury and the additional year of eligibility for all winter sports participants. We could use the help and it is a win-win with the extra year. I wouldn't be surprised if UD has already looked into it.
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My understanding is the additional year is only for those who are in their last year of eligibility this year.
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Per the NCAA:
"Winter sport student-athletes who compete during 2020-21 in Division I will receive both an additional season of competition and an additional year in which to complete it, the Division I Council decided. The same flexibility was provided to student-athletes after the spring season was canceled in 2020 and the fall season was seriously impacted by the COVID-19 pandemic."
Every other place I looked referred to "all." I was a little unsure myself, but I haven't found anything that says seniors. One thing they haven't talked about is how do you handle the scholarship limit. You will have signed guys in November and won't know if your seniors are returning until after the season.
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So let’s say he would be eligible for the extra year would he ask for the waiver , since Cohill is hurt thus giving him 3 years including this year ?
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From Jablonski's twitter thread on UD bball zoom press conference today...
Anthony Grant on whether Dayton is pursuing a waiver for USC transfer Elijah Weaver: "We're talking about that." No decision yet, he said.
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If he for sure can get that extra year, I’d do in a heartbeat especially with Cohill out... I want to maximize our chances with more than likely our last year with Jalen, Rodney and Ibi.
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Not sure what is difficult about this decision. Get 'er done AG!
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I bet it isnt as clear cut as just asking at this point. You usually have to have a valid reason to request the waiver. I would think that the fact that he didn't request one when he first transferred would hurt him. An injury and an extra year of eligibility seems like he is now wanting to "game" the system. Now, with that being said, the NCAA does seem to be granting a lot of the requests which have only recently been made so this might not be a hindrance at all. I certainly hope that he is able to see the court this year as he would be a big difference maker.
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I bet it isnt as clear cut as just asking at this point. You usually have to have a valid reason to request the waiver. I would think that the fact that he didn't request one when he first transferred would hurt him. An injury and an extra year of eligibility seems like he is now wanting to "game" the system. Now, with that being said, the NCAA does seem to be granting a lot of the requests which have only recently been made so this might not be a hindrance at all. I certainly hope that he is able to see the court this year as he would be a big difference maker.
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Has the NCAA actually denied any of these waiver requests? I've definitely seen a ton being approved, but haven't been paying close enough attention to notice.
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Originally Posted by Flyer Al
I bet it isnt as clear cut as just asking at this point. You usually have to have a valid reason to request the waiver. I would think that the fact that he didn't request one when he first transferred would hurt him. An injury and an extra year of eligibility seems like he is now wanting to "game" the system. Now, with that being said, the NCAA does seem to be granting a lot of the requests which have only recently been made so this might not be a hindrance at all. I certainly hope that he is able to see the court this year as he would be a big difference maker.
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is losing a player for the entire year a valid reason
I wonder? why not? it sure seems like in this Covid
era, they are leaning on the side of the player, yes?
that may outweigh usually...
they very well may have a case...
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The rules have changed since he transferred. It wasn't like he asked and was turned down. They just have delayed the request.
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11-06-2020, 03:56 PM
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Since Jacob Toppin was cleared, then there is no reason to think Weaver wouldn't be as well.
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11-06-2020, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by thachief
Since Jacob Toppin was cleared, then there is no reason to think Weaver wouldn't be as well.
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agree, the only factor in a different outcome would be the name of the school the player plays for.
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11-06-2020, 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Has the NCAA actually denied any of these waiver requests? I've definitely seen a ton being approved, but haven't been paying close enough attention to notice.
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Granted, not many have. This LINK is a month old and I know there has been at least one more since then. So, eight to ten versus what seems like 150 or so?
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11-06-2020, 09:41 PM
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Imagine this small ball lineup:
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11-07-2020, 08:21 AM
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Originally Posted by EliteEight
This has been determined. Weaver is sitting out this year. Dayton is not filling a waiver. Elijah discussed this with CAG and this year is a development year. Weaver will be seriously talented when he hits the UD Arena court in 14 months.
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What a difference a week makes in 2020. What's the latest?
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11-08-2020, 12:25 PM
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Perhaps he doesn’t want to play this year. First it is not going to be normal year with fewer games, cancelled tournaments, few fans, and it is more likely to get worse than better, etc. Second, he won’t be a featured player and might not even start- when next year it would seem highly likely after Chatman and Crutcher are gone. He gets another free year of tuition, room and board and an opportunity to get bigger and better. And, that’s what he signed up for when he transferred.
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11-08-2020, 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by maddog07
Perhaps he doesn’t want to play this year. First it is not going to be normal year with fewer games, cancelled tournaments, few fans, and it is more likely to get worse than better, etc. Second, he won’t be a featured player and might not even start- when next year it would seem highly likely after Chatman and Crutcher are gone. He gets another free year of tuition, room and board and an opportunity to get bigger and better. And, that’s what he signed up for when he transferred.
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If he plays this season he could still play two more seasons after this one. This year won't count against eligibility.
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11-09-2020, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by maddog07
Perhaps he doesn’t want to play this year. First it is not going to be normal year with fewer games, cancelled tournaments, few fans, and it is more likely to get worse than better, etc. Second, he won’t be a featured player and might not even start- when next year it would seem highly likely after Chatman and Crutcher are gone. He gets another free year of tuition, room and board and an opportunity to get bigger and better. And, that’s what he signed up for when he transferred.
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I don't think that lines up with the facts, as longtime fan said.
I think AG believes USC screwed him up so badly he needs a year to break bad habits. Rebuild from the ground up with no pressure, a full reset for the young man.
If that's true, that's really putting the kid first and a good sign for future recruits.
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Sadly, I don't believe this season will consist of enough games to really matter.
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11-09-2020, 11:24 AM
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I think Gazoo makes a great point. It may be CAG and Elijah have a long term plan and the belief is that year of refinement/development of his game is in both parties long term interests
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11-09-2020, 12:31 PM
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Hopefully we do not have another injury to one of our best guards. That would make a Weaver decision not to play this year a bad one.
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11-09-2020, 01:26 PM
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I just don't see what the down side is to him playing this year if he could get a waiver. Doesn't every coach always say there is no experience like game experience?
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11-09-2020, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by springborofan
I think Gazoo makes a great point. It may be CAG and Elijah have a long term plan and the belief is that year of refinement/development of his game is in both parties long term interests
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Even if he gets the waiver, he doesn't have to play. And either way, he still has 2 seasons left because this year doesn't count against eligibility. It makes no sense to not get the waiver. If circumstances change (more injuries are possible but hope not), then he could play. If they don't apply for the waiver, that eliminate the option.
He gets the waiver and plays -> 2 seasons left after this year
He gets the waiver and doesn't play -> 2 season left after this year
He doesn't get the waiver -> 2 season left after this year.
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11-09-2020, 03:38 PM
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Originally Posted by shapanud
Even if he gets the waiver, he doesn't have to play. And either way, he still has 2 seasons left because this year doesn't count against eligibility. It makes no sense to not get the waiver. If circumstances change (more injuries are possible but hope not), then he could play. If they don't apply for the waiver, that eliminate the option.
He gets the waiver and plays -> 2 seasons left after this year
He gets the waiver and doesn't play -> 2 season left after this year
He doesn't get the waiver -> 2 season left after this year.
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right here... there is no reason why
not...IMO
go Flyers!
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