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Old 02-03-2017, 11:53 AM
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Yeah, incoming X recruits Kyrylo Natyazhko and Kevin Parrom, the initiator of the infamous Buick/Lexus quote, followed Sean out the door to Arizona.

All 2017 UD recruits would likely be granted releases if Archie leaves, and they then wanted to leave too.

I am pretty sure that there is nothing keeping Kostas here. Kostas sat out this year, so I think he could follow Archie and play next year without having to sit out again.
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A lateral move? You have got to be kidding right? A10 is always a top 5-8 conference even in a bad year like this. The A10 gets 3-6 teams into the dance a year. The MAC gets 1. They lose their conference tournament they are NIT at best.

I did my undergrad at UD, grad school at a MAC school and worked at a MAC school athletic department for 2 years. A10 is a huge step up from the MAC.
I'm a UD alumnus and have attended and taught at B1G, Big East and MVC schools. I have a good sense of what these schools offer academically, athletically and administratively. There's variance, but OU:UD is not the same as Ball State:North Carolina.

Your A10:MAC numbers are off as well. Historically, MAC schools have placed 71 teams in the tournament, while the A10 has placed 145. A clear advantage, but not the 3-to-6 fold difference you're purporting.

Which brings me to my final point. There is a real and noticeable difference between the UD and OU programs. UD's superior, but not by that much. Folks on this board (myself included) have a not-at-all-surprisingly skewed perception of UD. Rightfully so. It's a great place. But were a Jaaron Simmons want to run the risk of transferring (from a program where he is excelling), I'd guess he'd want to go bigger than UD. Certainly there's a hometown appeal, but UD, especially next year's young squad, doesn't offer a whole lot to Simmons that he doesn't already have at OU.

Carry on with the speculation, by all means. But let's try to remain rational. There is a chance that Simmons finds his way to UD, but I'll eat my hat if he does.
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Exactly. Why can't we enjoy what we currently have instead of worrying about what could possibly happen
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Jeez, we really like to look for negatives. Seems like some just can't accept the premise that Archie knows he has a good thing and is willing to go with it for awhile.

Archie seems happy here. UD and donors seem willing to pay what is necessary to basically take money out of the equation. If he's going to leave it won't be for money. I'd image that makes him feel good, not only that he and his family are swimming in cash but also that he is really, really wanted and needed here. Archie is top dog at UD and able to focus on basketball, and basketball only. As good as UD has been the last few years, each year we've had to overcome something that prevents the team from being at full strength. On a personal level, I think I'd want to figure out just how far I could push things at UD with a fully loaded roster. Maybe Archie is different.

Next years team could struggle, but if things go well we'd be loaded up again in two years and pretty well set for a few years after that.

Or maybe I'm wrong and he leaves in April.
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I'm a UD alumnus and have attended and taught at B1G, Big East and MVC schools. I have a good sense of what these schools offer academically, athletically and administratively. There's variance, but OU:UD is not the same as Ball State:North Carolina.

Your A10:MAC numbers are off as well. Historically, MAC schools have placed 71 teams in the tournament, while the A10 has placed 145. A clear advantage, but not the 3-to-6 fold difference you're purporting.

Which brings me to my final point. There is a real and noticeable difference between the UD and OU programs. UD's superior, but not by that much. Folks on this board (myself included) have a not-at-all-surprisingly skewed perception of UD. Rightfully so. It's a great place. But were a Jaaron Simmons want to run the risk of transferring (from a program where he is excelling), I'd guess he'd want to go bigger than UD. Certainly there's a hometown appeal, but UD, especially next year's young squad, doesn't offer a whole lot to Simmons that he doesn't already have at OU.

Carry on with the speculation, by all means. But let's try to remain rational. There is a chance that Simmons finds his way to UD, but I'll eat my hat if he does.
2016 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2015 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2014 A10 6 bids MAC 1
2013 A10 5 bids MAC 1
2012 A10 4 bids MAC 1
2011 A10 3 bids MaC 1
2010 A10 3 Bids MAC 1
2009 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2008 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2007 A10 3 bids MAC 1

So in the last 10 years not including this year, the A10 has 36 bids which is 3.6 per year. The MAC has 10 for 1 per year. And if you are going to go back and pull all time bids for the leagues, the A10 as we know it started in 1982. The MAC started in 1946. A few more chances to get bids on the A10 with its 40 year head start right?

But let's not get facts in the way right?

EDIT: I do not think Simmons is coming here either. But to just throw out that the MAC and the A10 are lateral is just not correct. And teaching at the schools and working in the Athletics Departments is a little different. I've seen the teams budgets, I have worked closely with the coaches in the leagues, and it is not even close to being on par, and that is before you even factor in level of play of basketball.

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Unless I missed it, I don't believe the MAC has had more than one bid since Wally Ball played for Miami in the 90's.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
2016 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2015 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2014 A10 6 bids MAC 1
2013 A10 5 bids MAC 1
2012 A10 4 bids MAC 1
2011 A10 3 bids MaC 1
2010 A10 3 Bids MAC 1
2009 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2008 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2007 A10 3 bids MAC 1

So in the last 10 years not including this year, the A10 has 36 bids which is 3.6 per year. The MAC has 10 for 1 per year. And if you are going to go back and pull all time bids for the leagues, the A10 as we know it started in 1982. The MAC started in 1946. A few more chances to get bids on the A10 with its 40 year head start right?

But let's not get facts in the way right?

EDIT: I do not think Simmons is coming here either. But to just throw out that the MAC and the A10 are lateral is just not correct. And teaching at the schools and working in the Athletics Departments is a little different. I've seen the teams budgets, I have worked closely with the coaches in the leagues, and it is not even close to being on par, and that is before you even factor in level of play of basketball.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
2016 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2015 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2014 A10 6 bids MAC 1
2013 A10 5 bids MAC 1
2012 A10 4 bids MAC 1
2011 A10 3 bids MaC 1
2010 A10 3 Bids MAC 1
2009 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2008 A10 3 bids MAC 1
2007 A10 3 bids MAC 1

So in the last 10 years not including this year, the A10 has 36 bids which is 3.6 per year. The MAC has 10 for 1 per year. And if you are going to go back and pull all time bids for the leagues, the A10 as we know it started in 1982. The MAC started in 1946. A few more chances to get bids on the A10 with its 40 year head start right?

But let's not get facts in the way right?

EDIT: I do not think Simmons is coming here either. But to just throw out that the MAC and the A10 are lateral is just not correct. And teaching at the schools and working in the Athletics Departments is a little different. I've seen the teams budgets, I have worked closely with the coaches in the leagues, and it is not even close to being on par, and that is before you even factor in level of play of basketball.
Look. I get that UD fans are gonna get high on their own UD farts. Nobody here is going to cheer on the guy saying, "Your favorite team is not as good as you think it is." But the Flyers are my favorite team as well.

First, everybody's got their own set of numbers. Your figures happen to include A10 teams that are no longer part of the conference. The A10 isn't as strong as it was prior to Big East expansion.

The A10 at present is more of a 2-3 bid league. Again, better than the MAC, but not vastly superior. You want to know conferences that are significantly better?

Over the past two years, the breakdown goes likes this:

-Big 12 - 14
-B1G - 14
-ACC - 13
-Big East - 11
-PAC 12 - 11
-SEC - 8
-A10 - 6
-American - 5

All of the ACC, B1G and Big 12 have DOUBLE the bids of the A10 over the last couple years. Not to mention the Big East and PAC 12 have significantly more bids.

If I'm a grad transfer guard excelling at my present program (and having already transferred schools once), I'm not looking to make a minor jump from a MAC school to the A10. If I'm running all of the potential professional risk and personal inconveniences, I'm striking out big.

It's also worth noting that NCAA bids may have little to do with a grad transfer's intentions. Perhaps they're looking for a place where they can grab some spotlight and polish up their professional resume. Again, the A10 isn't the spot for that either.

We can quibble about how comparable the A10 and the MAC are, and I've admitted the A10 is superior. But it isn't by much; certainly not relative the real powers in college basketball. I'm not here to convince anyone (because like so many of the fake news consuming jabronis out there, y'all are only going to believe what you find most comforting) but deep down we all know Jaaron Simmons ain't walking through that door.
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Why compare just the last 2 seasons if one of your earlier points is that the prior comparison includes teams no longer in the A10? Why not compare the last 3 seasons, which would also include the A10's high mark and also includes every team currently residing in the A10?

I don't think you'd get an argument that there is a significant jump from the A10 to most P5 conferences save the SEC (outside of Kentucky), everyone recognizes that. But that doesn't mean there isn't another big gap b/w the A10, AAC & Mountain West, to the next run down (missouri Valley and West Coast Conference) then another good gap b/w that level and where the MAC has resided for most of the last decade, somewhere around the 12-14th best basketball conference.

I'll worry about Simmons walking "thru that door" when/if he actually declares his intentions to transfer. I'll agree that the thought of Simmons transferring anywere at this moment is certainly fake news, however the comparison of conferences/programs isn't fake news.

There were rumblings, fairly consistant rumblings when Siebert was a soph at OSU that a transfer to UD and Archie (who recruited him) was a good possibility before that season even ended. Much like Meachem, I'm guessing Jordan already knew that UD and archie would be interested. If Simmons has any intentions of leaving OU at the end of this season, I'm sure he has people he knows digging behind the scenes to figure out what level of interest there would be. Being local, it wouldn't be all that hard for someone to get in the ear of Archie, Thad, UC, Xaiver, etc...and gauge their interst.
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Comparing the MAC to the A10 is preposterous. The A10 is arguably having its worst year since 2005, and it's still better than the MAC's best year since 2005. It's not that the MAC normally only gets one team in, it's that the one team they do get in is typically not inside the bubble and not able to get in without the automatic bid. Now, Akron MIGHT get in this year if they win out and lose in the conference tournament, but probably not, and even if they do that's still a huge rarity for that league.

And it isn't just the quality of play, but the media deals, the resources, and the budget that UD has.

I like the MAC. In fact as a conference I think it probably produces better rivalries and games that are more exciting. But, the teams aren't as good.

As far as Miller leaving, he definitely will some day and it might be after this season. But, when you compare Dayton's facilities, resources, and what they spend to the rest of the league, they're basically in a position to where they should expect to dominate it no matter who the coach is. For that reason, it will always be an attractive job to a lot of good coaches, and the pool of candidates that they can put together in any given year will always be impressive if they know what they're doing.
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Comparing the MAC to the A10 is preposterous. The A10 is arguably having its worst year since 2005, and it's still better than the MAC's best year since 2005. It's not that the MAC normally only gets one team in, it's that the one team they do get in is typically not inside the bubble and not able to get in without the automatic bid. Now, Akron MIGHT get in this year if they win out and lose in the conference tournament, but probably not, and even if they do that's still a huge rarity for that league.

And it isn't just the quality of play, but the media deals, the resources, and the budget that UD has.

I like the MAC. In fact as a conference I think it probably produces better rivalries and games that are more exciting. But, the teams aren't as good.

As far as Miller leaving, he definitely will some day and it might be after this season. But, when you compare Dayton's facilities, resources, and what they spend to the rest of the league, they're basically in a position to where they should expect to dominate it no matter who the coach is. For that reason, it will always be an attractive job to a lot of good coaches, and the pool of candidates that they can put together in any given year will always be impressive if they know what they're doing.
I've said in multiple posts that the A10 is superior to the MAC. My original argument - which seems of less interest to most - is that using your grad transfer to jump from a good MAC team to Dayton ain't worth it. Jumping to an ACC program, sure; but to apply risk in order to play moderately better competition on the CBS Sports Network is a very unlikely scenario.
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I've said in multiple posts that the A10 is superior to the MAC. My original argument - which seems of less interest to most - is that using your grad transfer to jump from a good MAC team to Dayton ain't worth it. Jumping to an ACC program, sure; but to apply risk in order to play moderately better competition on the CBS Sports Network is a very unlikely scenario.
You initially said it would be a lateral move. When that was shot down, you changed your argument.
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Just one more year (at least). I don't want to lose any of the incoming players. This is a crucial class.

Besides, UD can release them from their LOI with restrictions on where they go (i. e. not where they just lost a coach to).


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Besides, UD can release them from their LOI with restrictions on where they go (i. e. not where they just lost a coach to).
That would probably be seriously frowned upon I think. UD would probably get a serious bad rep I think.

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Look. I get that UD fans are gonna get high on their own UD farts. Nobody here is going to cheer on the guy saying, "Your favorite team is not as good as you think it is." But the Flyers are my favorite team as well.

First, everybody's got their own set of numbers. Your figures happen to include A10 teams that are no longer part of the conference. The A10 isn't as strong as it was prior to Big East expansion.

The A10 at present is more of a 2-3 bid league. Again, better than the MAC, but not vastly superior. You want to know conferences that are significantly better?

Over the past two years, the breakdown goes likes this:

-Big 12 - 14
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-ACC - 13
-Big East - 11
-PAC 12 - 11
-SEC - 8
-A10 - 6
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All of the ACC, B1G and Big 12 have DOUBLE the bids of the A10 over the last couple years. Not to mention the Big East and PAC 12 have significantly more bids.

If I'm a grad transfer guard excelling at my present program (and having already transferred schools once), I'm not looking to make a minor jump from a MAC school to the A10. If I'm running all of the potential professional risk and personal inconveniences, I'm striking out big.

It's also worth noting that NCAA bids may have little to do with a grad transfer's intentions. Perhaps they're looking for a place where they can grab some spotlight and polish up their professional resume. Again, the A10 isn't the spot for that either.

We can quibble about how comparable the A10 and the MAC are, and I've admitted the A10 is superior. But it isn't by much; certainly not relative the real powers in college basketball. I'm not here to convince anyone (because like so many of the fake news consuming jabronis out there, y'all are only going to believe what you find most comforting) but deep down we all know Jaaron Simmons ain't walking through that door.
We were not comparing the A10 to the BIG, ACC, and Big12. We were comparing the A10 and MAC. But hey they may have double the A10, but the A10 has triple the MAC if you want to go by that argument. With looking at it that way, that means there is a bigger gap between the A10 and MAC than the top Power5 leagues.

The A10 is just a few years removed from the getting 5 and 6 bids, far from a 2-3 bid league. Maybe this particular season in one of the worst years in over a decade the A10 may only get 2 bids, but in general its a 3+ bid league each year. Again, I do not see your argument holding up. Also, as others have said, your argument has changed (and continues to change) as people prove you wrong.

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We were not comparing the A10 to the BIG, ACC, and Big12. We were comparing the A10 and MAC. But hey they may have double the A10, but the A10 has triple the MAC if you want to go by that argument. With looking at it that way, that means there is a bigger gap between the A10 and MAC than the top Power5 leagues.

The A10 is just a few years removed from the getting 5 and 6 bids, far from a 2-3 bid league. Maybe this particular season in one of the worst years in over a decade the A10 may only get 2 bids, but in general its a 3+ bid league each year. Again, I do not see your argument holding up. Also, as others have said, your argument has changed (and continues to change) as people prove you wrong.
No, you're wrong. I'm looking at the entirety of college basketball in an effort to understand the possibility of a grad transfer. My whole premise is the A10 and MAC are similar conferences relative the larger college basketball landscape.

But people around these parts are so sensitive to anything that could be taken as a gibe that the conversation morphed to A10>>>MAC. For the umpteenth time, the A10 is superior to the MAC, but both conferences are a ways of the elite. If I'm a grad transfer running the risk of leaving a comfortable situation, I want a bigger potential payoff (competition, exposure, etc.).
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FWIW, Simmons put up 38 pts, 10 rbs and 5 assists as OU handed Akron their first MAC loss of the season last night.
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I watched that game. It was a very impressive performance on his part...a man among boys, really.
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May need to change the title of this thread to, Archie to NCSU. Some fan comments in the paper this morning after they blow another game by shooting lights out and playing no defense.

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Gott is toast. He has lost control of his team and the fan base wants him gone.

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Seems that way doesn't it. Gotta say though, I hate it for him. He's got a tough row to hoe to the end of the season. Here's hoping they can find some magic.

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I get bad vibes about NC St. How attractive it is to his better half and there is something strong about the pull of a alma mater.
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Gottfried's seat is beyond hot at NC State right now.

NCSU is down big to FSU tonight and will be underdogs in all 6 of their remaining games. 3-15, dead last in the ACC, and back-to-back losing seasons (1st time in 20 years) are all a distinct possibility. The public outcry is gaining steam already in Raleigh and it would be tough for the school to bring him back if the season continues to go downhill at this pace.

The only other name besides Archie mentioned right now by any NCSU alumni I talk to is Kevin Keatts at UNC-Wilmington. He's done a great job turning around that program, but is in only his 3rd season as a head coach. Archie is certainly the name mentioned first by most alumni.

The Florida and Tennessee jobs were mildly concerning, but I never thought Archie would see those jobs as a destination job. This opening would be the first time that it would not surprise me if Archie left. And the big problem with him leaving this year would be the 5 incoming freshmen that would be let out of their letters of intent. Who knows if any would stay with a new coach, but next year's roster could suddenly look a lot different.

Anyway, enjoy the ride this year because who knows what the future may hold.

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The Duke situation will be interesting. Coach K is near the end. When his assistant filled in, results were terrible. Some think they may go internal, but how did they get Coach K? Not a slam dunk, but I can see Duke coming after Archie when Coach K retires.
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The Duke situation will be interesting. Coach K is near the end. When his assistant filled in, results were terrible. Some think they may go internal, but how did they get Coach K? Not a slam dunk, but I can see Duke coming after Archie when Coach K retires.
If Coach K retires in the next year or two, Archie will not be getting any phone calls for the Duke job.
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right now, I would think Chris Collins is the leading candidate to replace CoachK
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right now, I would think Chris Collins is the leading candidate to replace CoachK
Not so sure about that......He's got to at least get NW to a couple NCAA tournaments...If they go internally at least regarding a former player (which is no slam dunk), they might go after Quin Snyder before anyone else..

This is all a moot point, imo, as I don't see K retiring anytime soon unless for terrible physical issues...Archie could surely end up on the watch list especially if UD has more tourney success in the next couple years..
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Not so sure about that......He's got to at least get NW to a couple NCAA tournaments...If they go internally at least regarding a former player (which is no slam dunk), they might go after Quin Snyder before anyone else..

This is all a moot point, imo, as I don't see K retiring anytime soon unless for terrible physical issues...Archie could surely end up on the watch list especially if UD has more tourney success in the next couple years..
Seriously? Quin Snyder? While Quin has worked extremely hard to restore his credibility as a basketball coach over the last decade, Duke is the face of NCAA basketball with an image and reputation that is basically beyond reproach. Quin's closet has more skeletons than most graveyards. I'd have a hard time believing that Duke would even consider the baggage that could come with Snyder, even if it's a decade old.
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The person hiring the next coach at Duke will be Coach K and he will hire a current or former assistant coach. End of story.
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Coach K could care less about where the coach comes from. He will remember how he was hired, as an unknown and against all the alumni wishes. Great leaders do what is right, not what is popular.
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Coach K could care less about where the coach comes from. He will remember how he was hired, as an unknown and against all the alumni wishes. Great leaders do what is right, not what is popular.
You would be wrong. Coach K has said how much of an honor and a privilege it is to be representing Duke University. So I would be shocked if it's someone who hasn't played and or assisted Coach K.
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I get bad vibes about NC St. How attractive it is to his better half and there is something strong about the pull of a alma mater.
I was not exactly sure where Morgan was from...looks like she is from that area...that obviously does not help.



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Ohio State and NC State have always, always been my biggest concerns. Indiana was on the list too because of their rollercoaster couple of seasons. But NC State and Ohio State both give us a lot of reason to worry, and the alma mater/wife's hometown factor looms pretty large for NC State.

I was never overly concerned before, maybe for Florida, but I always figured it would happen at one point or another. I hope he's hear as long as possible and will enjoy the heck out of this season, but if it happens I think those 2 schools are the most likely destinations.
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Morgan Cruse, a track and field and cross-country athlete, arrived at N.C. State in 1999. Before she enrolled, she and her father Steve visited the school. Steve Cruse noticed Archie shooting in the gym and said hello.

Morgan and Archie were connected long before they met, although they didn’t know it at the time. John Miller played baseball at Pfeiffer College in Salisbury, N.C., for a man who also coached Steve Cruse’s American Legion baseball squad.

Steve Cruse told his daughter, “I think I met the guy you’re gonna date next year.”

Morgan brushed off the comment, but soon after her arrival on campus as a student, one of Archie’s teammates arranged a blind date between the two. She called her father and told him she was going on a date. With “Arch.”

“See, I told you so,” he said.
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I was not exactly sure where Morgan was from...looks like she is from that area...that obviously does not help.



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The optimist in me says Archie is here 6 more years, until his daughter is out of school.

The super optimist in me says that by that time, we will have had another major conference shake up, a newly remodeled arena, and UD will be a top 20 destination job. Archie stays here and retires a Flyer.

The super super optimist in me says Archie flirts with Coach K's all time win record, all of which come at UD.

The super super super optimist in me says I hit the Power Ball drawing tomorrow night.
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Love to be top 20, but that is unrealistic. Tough to displace teams with the name of the state on the front and perennial superpowers. How many of these programs could we pass??

Duke,NC, KY, Mich St., Villanova, Florida, Kansas, Ucla, Arizona, Virginia, Oregon, Baylor, Purdue, Maryland, Ohio State, Syracuse, Louisville, West Virginia, Notre Dame, Gonzaga, Uconn, Wisconsin, Stanford, Indiana, Ark, Tenn. That's 26.

And this doesn't include, Pitt, Xavier, Marquette, FlaSt, Georgia, NCSU, Cincinnati, SMU, Texas, Butler, Creighton, Miami, Wake, LSU, Clemson,Michigan, Georgetown, Cal,USC. (Both), Oklahoma, Iowa, and a whole bunch of others that are at minimum our equal.
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The super super super optimist in me says I hit the Power Ball drawing tomorrow night.
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The optimist in me says Archie is here 6 more years, until his daughter is out of school.

The super optimist in me says that by that time, we will have had another major conference shake up, a newly remodeled arena, and UD will be a top 20 destination job. Archie stays here and retires a Flyer.

The super super optimist in me says Archie flirts with Coach K's all time win record, all of which come at UD.

The super super super optimist in me says I hit the Power Ball drawing tomorrow night.
The Royal optimist in my says you started drinking at lunch, haven't stopped but have room for at least 8 more.
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I don't know. I really could see it going either way. If he doesn't go to NCSU, where would he go? I think he just may stay a Flyer. Wishful thinking, perhaps.

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I don't know. I really could see it going either way. If he doesn't go to NCSU, where would he go? I think he just may stay a Flyer. Wishful thinking, perhaps.

http://www.backingthepack.com/2017/2...-archie-miller
"Because there is nothing that a State fan loves more than pure, unadulterated hope tied up in the form of a coach that we will inevitably fire in 5-7 years."

That quote from the article would make me seriously question a move to any big time school, especially one that is struggling. You've got 5-7 years before they turn on you and you're looking for the next job. Suddenly you're looking at consultant work.
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"Because there is nothing that a State fan loves more than pure, unadulterated hope tied up in the form of a coach that we will inevitably fire in 5-7 years."

That quote from the article would make me seriously question a move to any big time school, especially one that is struggling. You've got 5-7 years before they turn on you and you're looking for the next job. Suddenly you're looking at consultant work.
Just for fun let's compare salaries, Gottfried contract goes to 2020 base salary 760,000 and supplemental compensation 1.7 mill total 2,5 mill annually. Archie contract goes to 2022 base salary 690,000 now as for supplemental compensation it's not reported because UD is a private school compared to a state school. Speculation is Archie is making over 2 mill annually with supplemental compensation added in. I believe the university will be coming out with something new this year on Archie's contact,
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Archie only needs to look at Texas and the struggle that Shaka is having. Great coach who competed well and was loved at VCU. Now Smart is about a bad season away from renting a Uhaul.
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Unless you want to go coach men in Denmark!
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Unless you want to go coach men in Denmark!
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NCST not good enough for Archie

Short bit on this week's CBS Eye on College Basketball pod where they discuss NC State and Archie. Essentially they said NCST isn't a good enough job for Archie to bolt to. Unfortunately they said Ohio State would be.

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Archie to Ohio State? What?

In other news, sky is blue,grass is green and water is wet.

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Seriously, what's up with that?
There is something up with that but it's not like anyone follows the women's team closely enough to actually dig a little deeper. I questioned the situation in a thread I'll link below. Something about the whole situation is very strange.

http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=29698

1st post: To me the whole situation seems strange. I can completely understand him resigning for health/family reasons, and from the one article it seems like he was putting a large amount of pressure on himself. What I can't understand is taking a job in Denmark just 3 months after resigning. He leaves his wife of less than a year and a half back in Dayton which certainly seems odd. If I were the players or Neil Sullivan I would certainly be angry because in a way it seems like he bailed on them when he didn't think they would be a great team.

2nd post: I'm sorry but the optics of going to Denmark this soon are just bad. He leaves his doctors and family completely behind if health/family were his reasons for leaving. If he was feeling better and offered to volunteer at a local small college or high school that would seem much more reasonable to me.

If I were a player I would have understood his reasons for resigning at the time, but the minute I found out that he's gone to Denmark to coach I would be angry and feel like he quit on his team. Also if I'm an AD at a college I would have serious reservations about hiring him as a head coach
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Smells like marital problems. My wild guess.
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Smells like marital problems. My wild guess.
Definitely something rotten in Denmark.
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ABC in Raleigh is reporting that the decision has been made to fire Gottfried and NC State has already sent out "feelers" to Archie

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Dear Archie,

When, not if, NC State comes calling (like they haven't already) Follow these simple steps , 1. Open your laptop. 2. Type "google.com" into your browser. 3. Search: Smart, Shaka, Head Coach, Texas. 4. Search Wade, Will, Head Coach, VCU

5. Return to business as usual at UD

You do not leave a Top Job in a basketball centric Conference where your sport is king to run a middling Power 5 program that plays second fiddle to football and will NEVER be better then the 3rd best program in the state.

NC State is folly.

Carry on.
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Dear Archie,

When, not if, NC State comes calling (like they haven't already) Follow these simple steps , 1. Open your laptop. 2. Type "google.com" into your browser. 3. Search: Smart, Shaka, Head Coach, Texas. 4. Search Wade, Will, Head Coach, VCU

5. Return to business as usual at UD

You do not leave a Top Job in a basketball centric Conference where your sport is king to run a middling Power 5 program that plays second fiddle to football and will NEVER be better then the 3rd best program in the state.

NC State is folly.

Carry on.
ps...your job at Dayton is not done! ;-)
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As we like to say: In Archie we trust. Go Flyers!

""I've said many times, I am thankful and honored to be the head men's basketball coach at the University of Dayton. We can continue to do great things here. The University, the community, and our loyal fans have given our program the opportunity to compete with the best, and I look forward to pursuing consistent success and delivering first-class results both on and off the court for everyone associated with our program.""

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As we like to say: In Archie we trust. Go Flyers!

""I've said many times, I am thankful and honored to be the head men's basketball coach at the University of Dayton. We can continue to do great things here. The University, the community, and our loyal fans have given our program the opportunity to compete with the best, and I look forward to pursuing consistent success and delivering first-class results both on and off the court for everyone associated with our program.""

http://www.daytondailynews.com/event...xodbrP6X2xOJM/
I'm not saying Archie is leaving after this season, or next season, or 5 years from now, but EVERY coach says this kind of stuff. Many say that the same year they end up leaving for another job. Heck...a lot have said that, then denied they are interviewing with other schools and then left a week later. It's athletics, coaches are going to say those things because it looks good and is the right thing to say.

Edit: To those who messaged me, I have no inside info on this. I'm just saying don't put your eggs in the basket of comments made to the local paper. Again, not saying I think he is going to leave. In fact, I personally do not think he leaves for NC State. But if he loved it there like I loved my time at UD he would have to at least hear them out. Just don't put your eggs in the basket of most comments made to the paper by any coach. 90% of the time it's pure coach speak.

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I'm not saying Archie is leaving after this season, or next season, or 5 years from now, but EVERY coach says this kind of stuff. Many say that the same year they end up leaving for another job. Heck...a lot have said that, then denied they are interviewing with other schools and then left a week later. It's athletics, coaches are going to say those things because it looks good and is the right thing to say.
I said this last year too...See Steve Alford when he signed a long term extension at New Mexico and said how happy he was there and how he and the University were cmitted to each other for the long haul. Oops took the UCLA job less than two weeks later.

I could also go way back k to Pitino when he was at Providence and said it was his dream job and wanted to be there for ever only to leave about a month later. Trust me PC fans still hate him for this.

Now I'm not saying Archie is going to do this but I think we would all be niave to think he wouldn't go somewhere else if it was the right situation regardless of what he has or will say in the future about UD.

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I said this last year too...See Steve Alford when he signed a long term extension at New Mexico and said how happy he was there and how he and the University were cmitted to each other for the long haul. Oops took the UCLA job less than two weeks later.

I could also go way back k to Pitino when he was at Providence and said it was his dream job and wanted to be there for ever only to leave about a month later. Trust me PC fans still hate him for this.

Now I'm not saying Archie is going to do this but I think we would all be niave to think he wouldn't go somewhere else if it was the right situation regardless of what he has or will say in the future about UD.
Absolutely and in no way, should AM pack up this year and take another job, that he's all of a sudden some "bad guy" (although plenty on this board will trash him ). I hope the guy is as giddy as we are to watch/coach the Greek freak's brother along with Cunningham and a litany of pretty special talent coming in. I hope to hell his wife and daughter love this area and want to stay at least thru his child's early school years as has been mentioned. I hope to hell that the UD admin. and some special donors step up and tear up the existing deal and give him a package they never even dreamed of ever giving a coach.

Hope all that happens but, if not, then so be it...UD and Miller has brought an excitement to this city and program they've not seen in decades....He's also made this a job alot of really really good coaches would love to have.
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If it should happen, I know we are looking at the assistants but given the talent in place and the new recruits, this would be an opportunity that many coaches would envy. Maybe someone from the outside that could keep the new recruits.
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Report: N.C. State puts out ‘feelers’ to Archie Miller
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On WTVD, @ArmstrongABC11 reports State decided over weekend to fire Gottfried at conclusion of season & has sent feelers to Archie Miller.
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NCSU is slamming these reports, calling them "incorrect and blatantly irresponsible".


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NCSU is slamming these reports, calling them "incorrect and blatantly irresponsible".


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Fake news?
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If history is any indication, UD has probably already discussed an extension and/or pay raise. 3 years ago, when many were down on Archie and things looked their bleakest, UD was already talking with Archie about an extension, suddenly a few months later as UD is gearing up for the Sweet 16 it breaks that he had already signed an extension just as rumors of other "big time" jobs started popping up based upon UD's victories over OSU & Syracuse. Somewhat quietly, at least nationally, UD even stepped up again a month or so later and upped the pot for Archie, at a time when most coaching vacancies had been filled, and there was no need to, UD recognized the talent they had in Archie and his staff and made a goodwill gesture of increased pay as a "thankyou" for the elite 8 and the pub it generated.

a season later, when down to 6 scholarship players and UD still chugging along, it was reported near the end of the season that UD had been in negotiations w/ Archie from the middle of the season on about a payraise, extension; finalizing it shortly after the Oklahoma game. Ditto last season, IIRC correctly. If you go back and listen to the interviews both locally and nationally heading into the elite 8, just after word had spread that he and UD had already agreed to an extension a few months back, you could hear in his voice inflection just how much he appreciated that. While many fans were down on the program and UD after the slow start to A10 play, mainly due to memories of BG's annual .500 show, the administration at UD showed faith in Archie, his vision and what he was doing. If/when Archie leaves it won't be about money and what UD provides him in either pay or facilities/support. There are only a handful of schools that currently pay their basketball coach significantly more (relatively speaking) than what Archie is making today, and all of those coaches have won national titles. If/When he leaves it will be about things that UD can't control, perhaps conference, perhaps its the school he graduated from or the city he grew up in. Perhaps its an opportunity for his wife and daughter to be closer to family (you have to consider how much time away a college coach spends from his family and you realize that could be a very big factor, though perhaps she's found "family" in centerville), it could be a school that offers immediate access to higher end recruits and a realistic chance at a national title. We don't know when or why or even if, but when he does move on, similar to OP & BG I'll wish him well and root like heck for him. He's advanced the program beyond what the previous coach accomplished, just as BG moved it beyond Purnell and Purnell rebuilt it up from the dumpster fire it became.
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I know what i posted earlier is coachspeak and history has shown that can change at any time. however, i guess this entire thread irks me a bit. we are in the middle of a terrific season where vere high aspirations are definitely within reach and a stpried program is on the cusp of doing something it has never done before. we have a school that is behaving very differently than it used to ini terms of stepping up and making real commitments to its coach to make him feel welcome and to keep up with his marketability. They are finding ways of getting facilities and equipment that keep up with thebest programs in the country. We have a coach that seems to be very appreciative of these facts. We also have increasing example of coaches also remaining very successful by staying put (Few, Mack, Martelli, et al) while others have gone for the bright lights only to struggle achieving anything more than they did at their "smaller" jobs. We have a coach that has accomlished so much with his first true recruiting class and despite some major personnel setbacks beyond anyone's control, he has to believe as much as anyone that the potential to do anything he wants is right here, without any real institutional competition for resources from anywhere (ahem, football). The fact that we are even spending so much time worrying and discussing this in the middle of the season some times says to me that we as a fan base can sometimes struggle to keep up with the vision and potential we actually have and use a bygone perspective to drive these discussions. We are well on our way to truly becoming the program (in accomplishment and stature) that we have wanted. we have every signal from the coach and administration that they are on the same page and have a real vision on how to continue this trajectory. UD right now is truly a basketball coach's destination that in on par with anyone. With all that in mind I choose to focus on what we are doing ratherthan pure speculation. maybe naive, but i just don't know what point it serves to view it otherwise. Just enjoy the ride...maybe it just finally is our turn.

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I know what i posted earlier is coachspeak and history has shown that can change at any time. however, i guess this entire thread irks me a bit. we are in the middle of a terrific season where vere high aspirations are definitely within reach and a stpried program is on the cusp of doing something it has never done before. we have a school that is behaving very differently than it used to ini terms of stepping up and making real commitments to its coach to make him feel welcome and to keep up with his marketability. They are finding ways of getting facilities and equipment that keep up with thebest programs in the country. We have a coach that seems to be very appreciative of these facts. We also have increasing example of coaches also remaining very successful by staying put (Few, Mack, Martelli, et al) while others have gone for the bright lights only to struggle achieving anything more than they did at their "smaller" jobs. We have a coach that has accomlished so much with his first true recruiting class and despite some major personnel setbacks beyond anyone's control, he has to believe as much as anyone that the potential to do anything he wants is right here, without any real institutional competition for resources from anywhere (ahem, football). The fact that we are even spending so much time worrying and discussing this in the middle of the season some times says to me that we as a fan base can sometimes struggle to keep up with the vision and potential we actually have and use a bygone perspective to drive these discussions. We are well on our way to truly becoming the program (in accomplishment and stature) that we have wanted. we have every signal from the coach and administration that they are on the same page and have a real vision on how to continue this trajectory. UD right now is truly a basketball coach's destination that in on par with anyone. With all that in mind I choose to focus on what we are doing ratherthan pure speculation. maybe naive, but i just don't know what point it serves to view it otherwise. Just enjoy the ride...maybe it just finally is our turn.

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Agreed, though I'm guilty of speculating too. Bottom line, he's happy here and the school has done everything they can to keep him here and happy. Still, there are 5-10 dream scenarios I'm assuming that he would leave for. If one of those comes up and he's offered, he's probably gone. Until then, I agree with above...let's appreciate him and enjoy the season. If it happens, it happens.
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I know what i posted earlier is coachspeak and history has shown that can change at any time. however, i guess this entire thread irks me a bit. we are in the middle of a terrific season where vere high aspirations are definitely within reach and a stpried program is on the cusp of doing something it has never done before. we have a school that is behaving very differently than it used to ini terms of stepping up and making real commitments to its coach to make him feel welcome and to keep up with his marketability. They are finding ways of getting facilities and equipment that keep up with thebest programs in the country. We have a coach that seems to be very appreciative of these facts. We also have increasing example of coaches also remaining very successful by staying put (Few, Mack, Martelli, et al) while others have gone for the bright lights only to struggle achieving anything more than they did at their "smaller" jobs. We have a coach that has accomlished so much with his first true recruiting class and despite some major personnel setbacks beyond anyone's control, he has to believe as much as anyone that the potential to do anything he wants is right here, without any real institutional competition for resources from anywhere (ahem, football). The fact that we are even spending so much time worrying and discussing this in the middle of the season some times says to me that we as a fan base can sometimes struggle to keep up with the vision and potential we actually have and use a bygone perspective to drive these discussions. We are well on our way to truly becoming the program (in accomplishment and stature) that we have wanted. we have every signal from the coach and administration that they are on the same page and have a real vision on how to continue this trajectory. UD right now is truly a basketball coach's destination that in on par with anyone. With all that in mind I choose to focus on what we are doing ratherthan pure speculation. maybe naive, but i just don't know what point it serves to view it otherwise. Just enjoy the ride...maybe it just finally is our turn.

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Agree with most of this. However, it isn't the thread that should irk you, it is (if true) the irresponsibility of "representatives" from other schools, be they in an official capacity or overzealous alum/booster/donor making overtures while games are still being played. Not fair to Gottfried, to Archie, to the players, or the fan base(s).
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I know what i posted earlier is coachspeak and history has shown that can change at any time. however, i guess this entire thread irks me a bit. we are in the middle of a terrific season where vere high aspirations are definitely within reach and a stpried program is on the cusp of doing something it has never done before. we have a school that is behaving very differently than it used to ini terms of stepping up and making real commitments to its coach to make him feel welcome and to keep up with his marketability. They are finding ways of getting facilities and equipment that keep up with thebest programs in the country. We have a coach that seems to be very appreciative of these facts. We also have increasing example of coaches also remaining very successful by staying put (Few, Mack, Martelli, et al) while others have gone for the bright lights only to struggle achieving anything more than they did at their "smaller" jobs. We have a coach that has accomlished so much with his first true recruiting class and despite some major personnel setbacks beyond anyone's control, he has to believe as much as anyone that the potential to do anything he wants is right here, without any real institutional competition for resources from anywhere (ahem, football). The fact that we are even spending so much time worrying and discussing this in the middle of the season some times says to me that we as a fan base can sometimes struggle to keep up with the vision and potential we actually have and use a bygone perspective to drive these discussions. We are well on our way to truly becoming the program (in accomplishment and stature) that we have wanted. we have every signal from the coach and administration that they are on the same page and have a real vision on how to continue this trajectory. UD right now is truly a basketball coach's destination that in on par with anyone. With all that in mind I choose to focus on what we are doing ratherthan pure speculation. maybe naive, but i just don't know what point it serves to view it otherwise. Just enjoy the ride...maybe it just finally is our turn.

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You may not like it, but lets be honest, UD is not "truly a basketball coach's destination that i[s] on par with anyone". Unless Kentucky, Kansas, Duke, etc.. are not "anyone" I love UD basketball and it would be my wildest dream to have Archie (or anyone for that matter) take UD to the heights that it would be considered on par with the school mentioned above, but it is not and unless there is a conference shift on the horizon or several other A10 programs ready to take several steps up, its not likely to get there anytime soon.

Now that doesn't mean that Archie is going to move on. I don't know the man, I have no idea what his intentions or dreams are. I don't know what his family's dreams are; no matter the destination, there is always stress associated with changing jobs, even more so when that change requires you to move cities, if not states. Perhaps Archie is happy at Dayton and has no real desire to leave, rather has ambitions to take this program to the final 4 and beyond before he hangs them up. Its obvious he's not in coaching just to climb up the ladder as quickly as possible, otherwise he'd already move on. There are not a ton of highly successful coaches that have moved from job to job. Pitino and Cal are the 2 that come to mind, but Coach K was at army before Duke, Roy william's only head coaching job was at Kansas prior to UNC, Tom Izzo has been at MSU as an assistant or head coach for nearly my entire life; Jim Boehim has literally been coaching at Syracuse longer than I've been alive, and was an assistant there prior. In otherwords, if/when Archie changes jobs, he's best to know that it is the right fit in every capacity if he wants to have a successful career. It sounds like his father recognizes this, and lets his sons know this.

No matter if Archie is the head coach at UD for another 2 months or another 20 years, you can expect his name to be a topic of consideration when coaching jobs come up. For now, there will always be fans as some mid-tier P5 school that think because UD is in the A10 they can just offer Archie 1 mil and he'll jump at that kind of money not realizing that UD already pays him more than they coach they just fired. Beyond that, as long as he's successful at UD, you can expect his name to circulate anytime a true blue blood job opens up or is speculated about. Mark Few has been at Gonzaga since I was in middle school in one capacity or another and his name still comes up as a wishful name every season. God Love Archie, but he hasn't accomplished half of what Mark Few has to this point.

I doubt Archie is worried too much about it. I'm sure he has his moments where he wonders if the grass is greener elsewhere, but he appears to be a gym rat at heart and I doubt he gives any potential opening much consideration mid-season. As far as fan's go, there is no harm in wondering what the destination might be, when it might be. I can fully enjoy this season and the ones to come and still wonder what potential recruits are in the pipeline, how a PG or PF that barely see the floor this season might progress over the season and improve over his UD career, or where UD's head coach is going to be next season.
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A good friend, who claims to be well connected and have inside information tells me that Archie is Illinois #1 target and that Archie will be going to Illinois.

What is the over / under on number of schools Archie will be going to in the next 6 months?
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A good friend, who claims to be well connected and have inside information tells me that Archie is Illinois #1 target and that Archie will be going to Illinois.

What is the over / under on number of schools Archie will be going to in the next 6 months?
This honestly would shock me. Even BG turned down Illinois once...maybe even twice? People out that way also keep mentioning Missouri. I think that is another job that would be a hard pass. Both schools lack in the facilities department and are stuck in the bottom half of their conference.

The schools I would worry about this year are Indiana, OSU (Only if Matta retires, I do not think he will be fired anytime soon) and NC State which obviously has already been rumored. I do not think Michigan will open this year, but there is starting to be a lot of heat from fans. The admins there seems content with their current situation. There are also always a couple of unexpected jobs that come open each year. Nobody expected Texas or Florida to come open 2 years ago. Last year nobody expect Pitt or Vandy to come open. I am sure there will be another job that comes open that will be attractive.

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A good friend, who claims to be well connected and have inside information tells me that Archie is Illinois #1 target and that Archie will be going to Illinois.

What is the over / under on number of schools Archie will be going to in the next 6 months?
1 - I would be shocked if the Illinois job is NOT open by March 15th.
2 - I would be just as shocked is Arch took off for the Illinois job
3 - NCState and tOSU scare the crap out of me
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This honestly would shock me. Even BG turned down Illinois once...maybe even twice? People out that way also keep mentioning Missouri. I think that is another job that would be a hard pass. Both schools lack in the facilities department and are stuck in the bottom half of their conference.

The schools I would worry about this year are Indiana, OSU (Only if Matta retires, I do not think he will be fired anytime soon) and NC State which obviously has already been rumored. I do not think Michigan will open this year, but there is starting to be a lot of heat from fans. The admins there seems content with their current situation. There are also always a couple of unexpected jobs that come open each year. Nobody expected Texas or Florida to come open 2 years ago. Last year nobody expect Pitt or Vandy to come open. I am sure there will be another job that comes open that will be attractive.
1/100 goes to Illinois. Ohio State and Indiana 1/2. NC State 1/20. Yep I said NC State real long shot. Remember Sean turned down Pitt and NC State fired Archie mentor Sendek. Also will Archie be able to compete for national championships every year at NC State = no.
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1/100 goes to Illinois. Ohio State and Indiana 1/2. NC State 1/20. Yep I said NC State real long shot. Remember Sean turned down Pitt and NC State fired Archie mentor Sendek. Also will Archie be able to compete for national championships every year at NC State = no.
The other strike I believe NC State has against it is Debbie Yow their AD. First I'm not sure how liked/respected she actually is, and she is supposed to retire in 2018. If I'm a coach I want to know who I will be working for. A new AD could come in and if a coach is struggling that AD will want to hire their own guy many times no matter what the buyout on a contract is.
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Wasn't John Groce, Illnois current coach, under consideration or at least rumored for the UD job before AM signed on the dotted line?

Agree with ruechalgrin 100%. I live in IL and there has been talk of AM coming here. I dont see it at all.

Some thoughts on Illinois:

1. Champaign, IL not exactly an upgrade to Dayton. I have been there.
2. Football school (OK, they such but they are at least more of one than UD)
3. Groce upgraded to IL from Ohio U. Illinois could go a similar route and get a successful coach from a lesser school (like Ohio).
4. Maverick Morgan from Springboro went there to play in the Big10 and go to the tourney. Spurned a UD offer. He is a senior, is not going this year, and only went in 2013. He would have gone all 4 years at UD.
5. Illnois did hire Lovie Smith as their football coach, so they can get creative.
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Russell Steinberg of the SBNation site Mid Major Madness weighed in on the likelihood of Miller moving on from Dayton:

Miller is one of those dream candidates that every major school puts on their list when they have a vacancy. By now we know Miller’s not going to jump ship unless the offer is really, really enticing. What can Illinois offer that bigger schools have not? Nothing that I can see. But if, somehow, the Illini were able to get this done, they’d get a coach who is a proven winner and who has had recruiting success in the Chicago area, having brought in Kendall Pollard and Kyle Davis. But it seems very unlikely at this point.

http://www.thechampaignroom.com/2017...groce-hot-seat

Another link. Also mentions Cuonzo Martin as a top candidate and I have heard that on sports talk radio as well.

https://writingillini.com/2016/02/24...oce-is-gone/5/

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FWIW, this quote is at the end of Jeff Goodman's ESPN article tonight about Gottfried likely being fired by NC St:

"If NC State does make a coaching move, it's likely that Dayton coach and NC State alum Archie Miller would be high atop the list, although sources told ESPN that Miller is unlikely to take the job."

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FWIW, this quote is at the end of Jeff Goodman's ESPN article tonight about Gottfried likely being fired by NC St:

"If NC State does make a coaching move, it's likely that Dayton coach and NC State alum Archie Miller would be high atop the list, although sources told ESPN that Miller is unlikely to take the job."

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-bas...ing-late-surge
And my guess one of those sources was Archie himself. Said it repeatedly in this thread, Archie extremely unlikely going to NC State. 1/20 chance.
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What is the over / under on number of schools Archie will be going to in the next 6 months?
I am a Clemson football fan and I lurk on their message boards... they want him to replace Brad Brownell there. If he's not going to NC State, no way he's going to Clemson.
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"unlikely" is not the definite "no" that I want to hear. Throw more money and options on the table and "unlikely" can change to "maybe" to "likely" to "yes" very fast. I have been to the Raleigh \ Cary, NC area and it's not a bad place to be.

Having said that, I think Illinois is more likely. OSU has basketball history and I think students \ alumni at OSU want immediate results. If they don't get an immediate change, they will be screaming.

I don't think that Illinois has such immediate basketball expectations only that the next coach put the program on the right track. Archie now brings a name and with Archie's recruiting experience in Chicago area and Midwest he could give that program a shot in the arm and take a program starting at the bottom and moving it up.

Again having said all of the above, Archie, stay here!!!
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Why would he take a demotion and go to Illinois? Not gonna happen. He's got one of the top fan bases in the country and can go to the tourney every year.
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Archie Miller to NC State is too obvious right?


Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 10h10 hours ago

Not. Gonna. Happen.


Jeff Goodman ‏@GoodmanESPN 10h10 hours ago

This would scare me if I was a Dayton fan. NC State opening would not.
(talking about the O$U job if it were to open up)

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Illinois is a joke. No way Archie even talks to them.

OSU with the loss last night is a log away from a dumpster fire, and NCSt is a big dumpster fire. Of Gottfried's first 12 recruits, 5 have now transferred and two left early. If Archie wants a challenge, he can get it at those two schools. Some people love those turnaround challenges, and others want no part of them.
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Ohio St and Indiana are the two places UD fans should worry about. All the rest are just noise and opposing fans wishing for a coach they aren't going to get. The only way NC State can get in the race is if they fire their AD Debbie Yow right now too.
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Ohio St and Indiana are the two places UD fans should worry about. All the rest are just noise and opposing fans wishing for a coach they aren't going to get. The only way NC State can get in the race is if they fire their AD Debbie Yow right now too.
Yow has already already announced she is retiring, I believe in the summer of 2018. Because of that, I do not think they will fire her. This alone hurts the coaching search because no big name coach will want to go to a school where they will not know who their AD will be in the future. Also, at least as an AD, Yow does not have the best reputation. So that is 2 strikes against NC State right there.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45 View Post
Yow has already already announced she is retiring, I believe in the summer of 2018. Because of that, I do not think they will fire her. This alone hurts the coaching search because no big name coach will want to go to a school where they will not know who their AD will be in the future. Also, at least as an AD, Yow does not have the best reputation. So that is 2 strikes against NC State right there.
They are honestly in a horrible spot for those exact reasons. I mentioned somewhere that a coach wants to know who they are going to be working for and NC state can't provide that.
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