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Old 06-19-2016, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Ready Action View Post
Gov. Bevin kicked out U of L's board of trustees of which several members wanted Ramsey out as with other sweeping changes. The debate now is could a Gov. legally kick out an entire board? The Gov. will hand pick a new board and lawsuits will be a flyin'. Upon the formation of the new board Ramsey is to resign/retire. However, it is widely speculated that the new board more than likely will not accept his resignation and the status quo will prevail. So if any coach wants to be part of that mess...GOOD LUCK!
Pitino is probably more powerful than the University President, the Board, and the Governor.
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Pitino is probably more powerful than the University President, the Board, and the Governor.
Probably the second most powerful guy in the state next to Calipari
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Pitino does have health issues and is not getting any younger. As in every summer he is evaluating his future.

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I think I, like most on this board, tend to be sports nuts who focus on that paradigm for every issue, but this may have little to do with the basketball program. Time will tell.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...tics/86032440/
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Old 06-20-2016, 03:40 PM
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http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...er-40.html#g22

Notice his number 1 goal is to win a national championship
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Old 06-21-2016, 11:23 AM
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Yeah, and if he continues on his trajectory he will get one here with the support and facilities....i'd rather see it sooner then later. I would hope its his number 1 goal
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Old 06-21-2016, 11:55 AM
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http://www.bizjournals.com/dayton/ne...er-40.html#g22

Notice his number 1 goal is to win a national championship
Along with another hundred+ D1 coaches...
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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
I think I, like most on this board, tend to be sports nuts who focus on that paradigm for every issue, but this may have little to do with the basketball program. Time will tell.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...tics/86032440/
Basketball is probably not an issue in the decision. The stacking of the university system trustees with Democrats was a campaign issue. Something like Democrats had about one third more representation than they were supposed to. Bevin had said he would rebalance the boards.
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Basketball is probably not an issue in the decision. The stacking of the university system trustees with Democrats was a campaign issue. Something like Democrats had about one third more representation than they were supposed to. Bevin had said he would rebalance the boards.
It's a mess and I am sure he'll do what the Democrates did after 2008 when it was illegally stacked with Republicans and shift it back to the other side. They also have a racial inequality as the board is to reflect the state's make-up there as well as political affiliation so curious to see if he fixes that as well. THough by Kentucky law university board members can’t be fired or dismissed without cause so tht will confiund things even more
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Old 06-22-2016, 08:35 AM
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Very likely they over reach the other way. Fletcher stacking boards etc with political appointees was an issue in his 2007 re-election (which he lost to Beshear). Ky politics has been rife with appointments of friends for years.
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Old 07-08-2016, 11:01 AM
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Larry Brown resigning at SMU.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...h-smu-mustangs
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Larry Brown resigning at SMU.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...h-smu-mustangs
Didn't read the article so I do not know if it was mentioned, but they have already named his replacement.
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Larry Brown resigning at SMU.


http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...h-smu-mustangs
http://www.cbssports.com/college-bas...-way-possible/
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Ohio State is 0-4 in the BIG and with MSU on the horizon, will soon be 0-5.
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Ohio State is 0-4 in the BIG and with MSU on the horizon, will soon be 0-5.
I always thought Louisville or Indiana would open up before OSU, but with the way this season is going at OSU (and actually the last few seasons), that may be the first big-time "local" job to open up.

Who knows what the interest level would be on either side, but I'm sure Archie's name would come up in the conversation.
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Old 01-13-2017, 08:21 AM
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FWIW, NC State is 1-3 in the ACC including a 106-57 loss to UNC last week.
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Michigan may be opening soon as well. Michigan fans are growing very impatient with John Beilein. The bad loss the other night to Illinois did not help his cause.
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Michigan may be opening soon as well. Michigan fans are growing very impatient with John Beilein. The bad loss the other night to Illinois did not help his cause.
As a born Michigan sports fan, I would say yeah we are a little impatient... But the Athletic Department loves Coach Beilein it sounds like, so that job won't open up any time soon, well at least I don't think so ha
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As a born Michigan sports fan, I would say yeah we are a little impatient... But the Athletic Department loves Coach Beilein it sounds like, so that job won't open up any time soon, well at least I don't think so ha
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FWIW, NC State is 1-3 in the ACC including a 106-57 loss to UNC last week.
IW mentioning...I received text from family member who lives on tobacco road informing me that the NCSt/Archie Miller rumors are resurfacing.
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Ohio State fans I know are hearing rumors of Chris Jent taking over.
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Ohio State fans I know are hearing rumors of Chris Jent taking over.
Let's all pray this happens lol
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No way he leaves with the Crosby era just about to begin.
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Maybe Coach Miller will jump for a big school, but from my view here in Richmond, past VCU coach's provide a cautionary tale: Jeff Capel, Anthony Grant, and now Shaka Smart.

Texas is 7-9 (1-3 conference) and its next three games are WVU (Home), Baylor (Away), and Kansas (Away). The AD who hired Smart was fired so nobody has his back in year two--and today's Texas supporters don't seem to have much patience.

At Dayton, Miller has a LONG leash, a lot of well-earned cred, and his what appears to be a great incoming class. The ability to coach without a lot of second-guessing, make a lot of dough, and have some semblance of a life may outweigh the siren song of a bigger school.
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Maybe Coach Miller will jump for a big school, but from my view here in Richmond, past VCU coach's provide a cautionary tale: Jeff Capel, Anthony Grant, and now Shaka Smart.

Texas is 7-9 (1-3 conference) and its next three games are WVU (Home), Baylor (Away), and Kansas (Away). The AD who hired Smart was fired so nobody has his back in year two--and today's Texas supporters don't seem to have much patience.

At Dayton, Miller has a LONG leash, a lot of well-earned cred, and his what appears to be a great incoming class. The ability to coach without a lot of second-guessing, make a lot of dough, and have some semblance of a life may outweigh the siren song of a bigger school.

Indeed, leaving UD is riskier than most people think. Archie is a basketball guy 24/7, and very few towns or schools are as passionate and genuinely interested in college basketball as Dayton. Archie has it made in Dayton right now, just like Shaka had it made at VCU.

I posted on this board (against popular convention) that Shaka would not do well at Texas. He still has plenty of opportunities to turn it around, of course, but I just do not see that as a great fit.

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Indeed, leaving UD is riskier than most people think. Archie is a basketball guy 24/7, and very few towns or schools are as passionate and genuinely interested in college basketball as Dayton. Archie has it made in Dayton right now, just like Shaka had it made at VCU.

I posted on this board (against popular convention) that Shaka would not do well at Texas. He still has plenty of opportunities to turn it around, of course, but I just do not see that as a great fit.
Plus he (Shaka) just suspended his leading scorer for the second time this season. And it seems that once you dip your toe in the deep end of a Power 5 conference and don't succeed (Capel, AG, BG) it's tough landing anything else Div I.
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Plus he (Shaka) just suspended his leading scorer for the second time this season. And it seems that once you dip your toe in the deep end of a Power 5 conference and don't succeed (Capel, AG, BG) it's tough landing anything else Div I.
Capel, AG, BG do not have the resume of Shaka. No tournament success and long streak of making the tournament like Shaka. I would bet Shaka would still find a head job even if things do not work at Texas.
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Capel, AG, BG do not have the resume of Shaka. No tournament success and long streak of making the tournament like Shaka. I would bet Shaka would still find a head job even if things do not work at Texas.
Look at Travis Ford of SLU. No where near the resume of Shaka, as I think Travis has only one victory in the NCAA tournament. Yet Travis lands on his feet at SLU and has some awesome recruiting wins in just the last 6 months. They stink this year, which should be 2 easy wins for UD, but they'll be better next year and extremely relevant near the top of the conference in 2 years.
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Agree, Shaka would almost definitely be able to score another decent head coaching job if things don't work out at Texas, but not sure he'd find a cozier situation than he had at VCU.
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McDermott of Creighton is an example.

Success at UNI
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Success at Creighton (somewhat dependent on his son, but not this year)
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Maybe Coach Miller will jump for a big school, but from my view here in Richmond, past VCU coach's provide a cautionary tale: Jeff Capel, Anthony Grant, and now Shaka Smart.

Texas is 7-9 (1-3 conference) and its next three games are WVU (Home), Baylor (Away), and Kansas (Away). The AD who hired Smart was fired so nobody has his back in year two--and today's Texas supporters don't seem to have much patience.

At Dayton, Miller has a LONG leash, a lot of well-earned cred, and his what appears to be a great incoming class. The ability to coach without a lot of second-guessing, make a lot of dough, and have some semblance of a life may outweigh the siren song of a bigger school.
Not to mention "what could have" had UD not gone thru some very unfortunate things led by Big Steve's death and a couple others that obviously pale in comparison. Point is that this years team could have (and still may do very well) been an elite 8 team with all the pieces in place, with another tremendous class to follow, and pretty steep pockets that seem to be very very proactive in awarding AM bigger and better contacts...This team could be,and is not not too far away, from being a perennial type Butler/Gonzaga type team....Grass ain't always greener...
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I sat in on the talk Shauna Green gave Sunday. I am glad to see the success the women are having (next year may be tough) but Mike Kelly also spoke and he had a question about Archie.

You've heard from numerous people but Archie is focused on success. He doesn't like the PR stuff that goes with the job and hopes to keep it to a minimum. Mike spoke that Archie is focused on one thing, and that is this years team. He isn't even thinking about another job. What UD does a great job of is keeping the distractions out of his way, just the way he likes it. He has an AD that he is in tune with and they roll out the carpet and let him run.

He just doesn't care about all the stuff floating around out there. Might he leave? I don't know and neither does anyone else because Archie isn't thinking about it.

So the takeaway is not to worry about it, Archie isn't.
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The AD at NC State will be a deterrent for Archie at NC State. I think AD/Coach relationship is just as important as the important as the school itself. UD's developed a great relationship with NCAA. Arch is well respected among coaching circles. The school up the road could be the right school assuming Matta wants to step down. Personally, I would rather coach in the B10 over the ACC. It's the time of year that the speculation of the "hot seat" looms.
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Quite frankly, Archie has not done anything significant enough to warrant a Blue Blood job. And I doubt he would take a non-Blue Blood job. As long as he sees nothing at UD that is impeding his ability to improve his teams, he will stay put....
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Originally Posted by Sea Bass View Post
McDermott of Creighton is an example.

Success at UNI
Failure at Iowa State
Success at Creighton (somewhat dependent on his son, but not this year)

Good example, although I'm not totally sold just yet. Creighton always seems to wet the bed in big games when it really counts. In fact, they have never won two consecutive games in the NCAA tournament. McDermott has won three tournament games in his six years at Creighton (all when his son was there and all in the Round of 64), but each time they got obliterated in the next round (three losses by a combined 60 points).

Creighton needs to win two consecutive games in the NCAA tournament to get over that hump...
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Quite frankly, Archie has not done anything significant enough to warrant a Blue Blood job.
Steve Alford would like to have a word...

Archie racked up more NCAA tourney wins in this first trip than Alford did in 12 years, 5 bids and a slew of single-digit seeds at Iowa and New Mexico.

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Every year Archie is here, I become less concerned about him leaving. Not because I think he will stay for many years to come but because he has raised the profile and made the job more desirable.

If he stays... it would be ideal. If not, I will wish him the best of luck and hope that the decision makers at UD select a coach that allows us to continue our ascent.
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Every year Archie is here, I become less concerned about him leaving. Not because I think he will stay for many years to come but because he has raised the profile and made the job more desirable.

If he stays... it would be ideal. If not, I will wish him the best of luck and hope that the decision makers at UD select a coach that allows us to continue our ascent.

Agree, and I hope that the coach to continue our ascent is already here and on our staff. This is how both Butler and the school down 75 maintained their success through multiple coaching changes.
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Quite frankly, Archie has not done anything significant enough to warrant a Blue Blood job. And I doubt he would take a non-Blue Blood job. As long as he sees nothing at UD that is impeding his ability to improve his teams, he will stay put....
Archie has done more with less. Every year he has had teams that were short handed or worse. A lot of smoke and mirror wins.

He has landed talent that put UD at the top 1/4 of the A10 each year.

He has handled himself very well on the national stage.
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Archie has done more with less. Every year he has had teams that were short handed or worse. A lot of smoke and mirror wins.

He has landed talent that put UD at the top 1/4 of the A10 each year.

He has handled himself very well on the national stage.
I AGREE 1000%, but .... the Blue Blood teams are going to go after a coach with a long, sustained, history demonstrating winning at the highest level..... There are many current coaches with better credentials than Archie. Not trying to be critical, but Archie has not even been able to win the A-10..... manages to lose to a bottom dwelling A10 team every year.
Again, don't get me wrong! I LOVE Archie, and I want him to stay at UD forever!
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Quite frankly, Archie has not done anything significant enough to warrant a Blue Blood job. And I doubt he would take a non-Blue Blood job. As long as he sees nothing at UD that is impeding his ability to improve his teams, he will stay put....
Archie has absolutely turned the Dayton program -- a top 40 program -- around. He is on the short-list of every blue blood job that comes-up. He will not be considered for a top 5 job like Kentucky, Duke, NC, Kansas, etc. -- they will be looking for coaches from top 5-20 programs like Sean Miller when those jobs turnover.

But every other top 15 job he will be in the mix. He has taken a program with a rabid base and great history back into the national spotlight. 5-3 in NCAA games, an Elite 8 appearance, possibly 4x in a row NCAA for the first time in the school's history. Archie is one of the top coaches under 50 in the game right now. If and when Louisville, Ohio State, Michigan, and Indiana come-up, Archie Miller will be on the sort-list. He has earned it and is so well-respected in college basketball. Hope Archie stays if offered one of these positions, but I would not blame him if he left -- opportunity to compete for a national championship every year with those types of programs.

It has been a great 6 years with Archie, hope we get more years, but I am simply savoring every year.
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LOL!!!!!!!!

What you meant to say was the Mckinley Wright or Graduate Transfer to be named later era.
Are you kidding? There's a whole thread dedicated to the legend of Kyle Ahrens out there.....
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I AGREE 1000%, but .... the Blue Blood teams are going to go after a coach with a long, sustained, history demonstrating winning at the highest level..... There are many current coaches with better credentials than Archie. Not trying to be critical, but Archie has not even been able to win the A-10..... manages to lose to a bottom dwelling A10 team every year.
Again, don't get me wrong! I LOVE Archie, and I want him to stay at UD forever!
One thing that places Arch in the top 5 of every list is the p5 programs all are arrogant enough to think this, " If Ryan Archie Miller can do what he has done at Dayton of all places, think what he could do with our draw power in the Big Fifteen Conference". In many cases they are wrong that recruits will suddenly flock to their sad sack program, but they are willing to fork out the money to find out. In a few cases, they are probably correct.
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Are you kidding? There's a whole thread dedicated to the legend of Kyle Ahrens out there.....
I almost managed to forget about the future NBA All-Star Kyle Ahrens! Thanks for reminding me of my huge oversight! I think UD should just recruit players from the MAC to boost attendance and assert our dominance of college basketball!
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So there's a doofus somewhere in Arkansas tweeting under the handle @Archie2Arkansas. Not going to happen, but I find this rather amusing.
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So there's a doofus somewhere in Arkansas . . .

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You've heard from numerous people but Archie is focused on success. He doesn't like the PR stuff that goes with the job and hopes to keep it to a minimum. Mike spoke that Archie is focused on one thing, and that is this years team. He isn't even thinking about another job. What UD does a great job of is keeping the distractions out of his way, just the way he likes it. He has an AD that he is in tune with and they roll out the carpet and let him run.
You know if Archie has enough people who know the ropes of college basketball keeping him grounded, there's a good chance he could stay at UD for a very long time. We've all worked for bad bosses in bad jobs that paid well, right? A big part of growing up to be a big-boy professional is being intentional about what you want and don't want, not just chasing the biggest paycheck.

Coming from his background / family connections, it's entirely possible that AM knows what he wants: give me budget, give me fans, give me facilities, don't judge me on a single year's performance, and don't suck up my time with fluffy stuff with donors. I have to imagine that a different AD who required him to glad-hand more or attend "department meetings" wouldn't be worth the extra salary.
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You know if Archie has enough people who know the ropes of college basketball keeping him grounded, there's a good chance he could stay at UD for a very long time. We've all worked for bad bosses in bad jobs that paid well, right? A big part of growing up to be a big-boy professional is being intentional about what you want and don't want, not just chasing the biggest paycheck.

Coming from his background / family connections, it's entirely possible that AM knows what he wants: give me budget, give me fans, give me facilities, don't judge me on a single year's performance, and don't suck up my time with fluffy stuff with donors. I have to imagine that a different AD who required him to glad-hand more or attend "department meetings" wouldn't be worth the extra salary.
UD delivers everything you referenced above. And, they have been out ahead in anticipating future needs. Virtually everything is where it should be including all of the necessary financial resources. Period. The only thing that they cannot control is league affiliation. If Archie feels that he cannot attract the players he wants due to this fact, that might be a reason to move. We all debate the pros/cons of the NBE, but it is a major conference and that opens doors that the A10 cannot. That said, consistent winning and consistent deep NCAA runs does help. Recent injuries and tradigies while unpredictable, obviously do not.
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UD delivers everything you referenced above. And, they have been out ahead in anticipating future needs. Virtually everything is where it should be including all of the necessary financial resources. Period. The only thing that they cannot control is league affiliation. If Archie feels that he cannot attract the players he wants due to this fact, that might be a reason to move. We all debate the pros/cons of the NBE, but it is a major conference and that opens doors that the A10 cannot. That said, consistent winning and consistent deep NCAA runs does help. Recent injuries and tradigies while unpredictable, obviously do not.
I have zero proof to back this up, but this has been my belief all along. Yes UD does deliver, without question, as much or more than many schools, including the so-called Power 5. And it's not only the opening of doors the A10 cannot, it's the fact that you are leading one of 2 or 3 A10 programs that gives a [insert here] about competing in their meal-ticket sport...basketball. UD, VCU, and occasionally St Louis, are propping up the rest of the A10. How many years do the Flyers need to go into the hell-hole gyms like Fordham, LaSalle, and SBU...or the half empty URI, UMass, and Geo Mason? Only DePaul and maybe Seton Hall offer that level of "support" in the NBE.
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I have zero proof to back this up, but this has been my belief all along. Yes UD does deliver, without question, as much or more than many schools, including the so-called Power 5. And it's not only the opening of doors the A10 cannot, it's the fact that you are leading one of 2 or 3 A10 programs that gives a [insert here] about competing in their meal-ticket sport...basketball. UD, VCU, and occasionally St Louis, are propping up the rest of the A10. How many years do the Flyers need to go into the hell-hole gyms like Fordham, LaSalle, and SBU...or the half empty URI, UMass, and Geo Mason? Only DePaul and maybe Seton Hall offer that level of "support" in the NBE.
Even DePaul, at 5,500 per game, the worst in the BE, out draws almost all of the A10, except for UD, SLU, Richmond, and VCU.

A10 attendance is poor in comparison.

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The only thing that they cannot control is league affiliation. If Archie feels that he cannot attract the players he wants due to this fact, that might be a reason to move. We all debate the pros/cons of the NBE, but it is a major conference and that opens doors that the A10 cannot.
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So there's a doofus somewhere in Arkansas tweeting under the handle @Archie2Arkansas. Not going to happen, but I find this rather amusing.
So this must be the brightest person in the State. He/She capitalized Archie and Arkansas and he spelled it correctly. Therefore, he is in the nut house under guard to prevent him from infecting his brethren.
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I agree with all that was said about the Big East, such a shame we are not in.

What I considered a very knowledgeable source well connected to the UD program told me at the time the new Big East was formed, that it was all but a done deal that Dayton and St. Louis would be added to the Big East by year 3. I have always wondered if Rick Majerus was still around and coaching the Billikens, thus they more than likely would still be a strong program and not the **** poor team Crews turned them into, if the rumor I was told would have indeed become a reality and we would be in the Big East?

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I was also told by a person close to the Providence program that we were indeed ticketed for the Big East by year three. He also said that XU played a factor in why we weren't invited initially. Not sure what has changed since then.
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I agree with all that was said about the Big East, such a shame we are not in.

What I considered a very knowledgeable source well connected to the UD program told me at the time the new Big East was formed, that it was all but a done deal that Dayton and St. Louis would be added to the Big East by year 3. I have always wondered if Rick Majerus was still around and coaching the Billikens, thus they more than likely would still be a strong program and not the **** poor team Crews turned them into, if the rumor I was told would have indeed become a reality and we would be in the Big East?

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I was also told by a person close to the Providence program that we were indeed ticketed for the Big East by year three. He also said that XU played a factor in why we weren't invited initially. Not sure what has changed since then.
I am sure that there are a few big reasons that this never happened. First, SLU going down the gutter hurt us. We needed them to at least stay competitive under Crews, and they totally fell apart. When SLU fell apart, so did their only real viable option for that spot. There are not many more of the private schools that do not play major football, but are good basketball left that really fit the conference footprint. Until another realistic option comes available, I do not see us getting in.

Secondly, the Big East has out performed their expectations. With so many teams being ranked, and getting as many in the NCAA field as they have since year 1, the Big East doesn't want to mess with what is currently working. And honestly, who can blame them at this point with Villanova winning the title last year and being #1 most of this year. They have been a top 3 or 4 team in Conference RPI. I do not see them expanding again until their current formula stops working.

Finally, recruiting has been great for the Big East. For the most part, many of these schools have been winning their recruiting battles. I know one of the fears with adding Dayton is that Dayton would start recruiting higher rated players. Dayton currently recruits the Big East footprint hard, and many of these schools may not want to add another school that can steal recruits that they normally would get, unless the school would be a big upgrade to the league. While UD would be a good add to the Big East, we would need a second good addition to make it worth the Big East's time.
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I agree with all that was said about the Big East, such a shame we are not in.

What I considered a very knowledgeable source well connected to the UD program told me at the time the new Big East was formed, that it was all but a done deal that Dayton and St. Louis would be added to the Big East by year 3. I have always wondered if Rick Majerus was still around and coaching the Billikens, thus they more than likely would still be a strong program and not the **** poor team Crews turned them into, if the rumor I was told would have indeed become a reality and we would be in the Big East?
I heard a slightly different version in that there were not going to be any adjustments until the 17-18 season. This was precipitated by initial low ratings at FS1 and the fact that some of the NBE members were experiencing serious budgeting issues with adequately fielding all of the required sports. X was cited specifically as one of the schools. UD and SLU were supposedly the next 2 teams in consideration.

SIDE NOTE - I just noticed that our current Arena Seating Plan expires at the end of this season. I know UD is taking a very hard look at improvements to the arena, so get ready to grab your ankles and you wallet.
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Illinois would be a worrisome job opening.
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the worrisome job openings are OSU and NCSU. Illinois is not.
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Illinois would be a worrisome job opening.
Even BG turned down Illinois, I do not think we have to worry about Archie.
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I do not see them expanding again until their current formula stops working.
If/When their current formula stops working, I surely don't think the addition of Dayton or any comparable school to the BE would be a fix.

If not added under the current formula that is working, the only pairings I see that include Dayton would be if there was a completely new realignment where the NBE split and the realignment of 2 current conferences was completed or new conferences formed. I don't see that happening either.

Unfortunately I think the BE ship has sailed and instead of hoping/wishing that the BE comes knocking, the A10 needs to do what is best for them and drop dead weight. Let the A10 be the ones to realign with like and similar schools. There are a handful of powerful "mids" that could form one hell of a conference if need be.
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the worrisome job openings are OSU and NCSU. Illinois is not.
There may be a few others, but they are power schools...not just schools from power conferences...
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Illinois would be a worrisome job opening.
LOL. Talk about a lateral move. 10 years ago maybe.
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Let the A10 be the ones to realign with like and similar schools. There are a handful of powerful "mids" that could form one hell of a conference if need be.
Something our new president should be advocating for with A10 leadership...especially if the plan is to launch a new Arena upgrade.
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Unfortunately I think the BE ship has sailed and instead of hoping/wishing that the BE comes knocking, the A10 needs to do what is best for them and drop dead weight. Let the A10 be the ones to realign with like and similar schools. There are a handful of powerful "mids" that could form one hell of a conference if need be.
I agree 100% that more than likely that ship has sailed. Those were just my observations and what I have heard through the grapevine on why it didn't happen. I also agree that the best move going forward for the A10 is to dump 2 or 4 schools and get back down to 10 or 12. Fordham and Duquesne are no brainers, and then after that you can have a debate over the last two to dump or stay at 12.
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LOL. Talk about a lateral move. 10 years ago maybe.
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I can only imagine that the legalities, costs and logistics of the A10 booting Fordham, Duquesne or anyone else is going to prohibitive to the point where its not realistic. What the A10 needs is a couple of schools to step out into the limelight and remain there. Top 25 all season long, for multiple seasons, regular long runs in the tournament, etc... At its peak, when UD first joined, there was Calipari, Marcus Camby and UMass, there was John Chaney and Temple, GW, Mike Jarvis and a band of kids from all around the globe. A few years later there was F'n David West, Delonte West and Jameer Nelson.

When was the last time the A10 had a national player of the year candidate? Seems like it wasn't all that long ago that you'd see a kid or two in the conversation every couple of seasons. When was the last time the A10 had a program up in the top 25 all season long, head to the NCAA tournament as a protected seed?

No matter how many teams you slice, if you are not strong at the top as mentioned above you will never be received as anything more than the next tier down. Hopefully Archie is the "John Chaney" of the future A10, perhaps Kostas is that nationally known name, perhaps it happens at VCU or St Louis, but it needs to happen and it needs to happen at multiple schools before the A10 can elevate itself back to the level it was viewed at in the mid 90s.
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The Butler coach would leave for Illinois?
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I can only imagine that the legalities, costs and logistics of the A10 booting Fordham, Duquesne or anyone else is going to prohibitive to the point where its not realistic. What the A10 needs is a couple of schools to step out into the limelight and remain there. Top 25 all season long, for multiple seasons, regular long runs in the tournament, etc... At its peak, when UD first joined, there was Calipari, Marcus Camby and UMass, there was John Chaney and Temple, GW, Mike Jarvis and a band of kids from all around the globe. A few years later there was F'n David West, Delonte West and Jameer Nelson.

When was the last time the A10 had a national player of the year candidate? Seems like it wasn't all that long ago that you'd see a kid or two in the conversation every couple of seasons. When was the last time the A10 had a program up in the top 25 all season long, head to the NCAA tournament as a protected seed?

No matter how many teams you slice, if you are not strong at the top as mentioned above you will never be received as anything more than the next tier down. Hopefully Archie is the "John Chaney" of the future A10, perhaps Kostas is that nationally known name, perhaps it happens at VCU or St Louis, but it needs to happen and it needs to happen at multiple schools before the A10 can elevate itself back to the level it was viewed at in the mid 90s.
I agree with your statements regarding the strength of the conference and having teams stay at the top...but disagree with the ability to realign the entire conference. The A10 had teams in the limelight...and they moved on.

There may be money involved and contracts, but the conference isn't ran by just one individual and the schools have say so. It may take time, but I am willing to bet that with a ratified vote of presidents, decisions can be made that influence teams. If the big dogs within the BE can vote and petition to make decisions, then why can't the A10 force universities to invest in certain areas of athletics? Make it unaffordable for certain schools to not invest in basketball or facilities. Calling up the perennial bottom dwellers and telling them they are on their one come December obviously doesn't fly. But why can't the conference require certain things be done by a certain time or face consequences? Duquesne is a team that was in the national spotlight in the late 60's, yet has been stuck in the virtual Jim O'Brien years for four over 4 decades. Certain Philly schools may not have huge facilities, but they have competitive teams. St. Joes for example has a small but refreshed arena. They are a competitive team year in and year out.

There has to be recourse for schools that continually don't get it done or schools that refuse to invest in their programs. SLU is one that has fantastic facilities and we see where they are now. They will be back, but they have also invested in their basketball program.
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I can only imagine that the legalities, costs and logistics of the A10 booting Fordham, Duquesne or anyone else is going to prohibitive to the point where its not realistic. What the A10 needs is a couple of schools to step out into the limelight and remain there. Top 25 all season long, for multiple seasons, regular long runs in the tournament, etc... At its peak, when UD first joined, there was Calipari, Marcus Camby and UMass, there was John Chaney and Temple, GW, Mike Jarvis and a band of kids from all around the globe. A few years later there was F'n David West, Delonte West and Jameer Nelson.

When was the last time the A10 had a national player of the year candidate? Seems like it wasn't all that long ago that you'd see a kid or two in the conversation every couple of seasons. When was the last time the A10 had a program up in the top 25 all season long, head to the NCAA tournament as a protected seed?

No matter how many teams you slice, if you are not strong at the top as mentioned above you will never be received as anything more than the next tier down. Hopefully Archie is the "John Chaney" of the future A10, perhaps Kostas is that nationally known name, perhaps it happens at VCU or St Louis, but it needs to happen and it needs to happen at multiple schools before the A10 can elevate itself back to the level it was viewed at in the mid 90s.
I agree, it would be extremely difficult to kick teams out. The more practical way would be for the top teams to leave and start a new conference and bring in the other teams like Wichita St.
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I agree with your statements regarding the strength of the conference and having teams stay at the top...but disagree with the ability to realign the entire conference. The A10 had teams in the limelight...and they moved on.

There may be money involved and contracts, but the conference isn't ran by just one individual and the schools have say so. It may take time, but I am willing to bet that with a ratified vote of presidents, decisions can be made that influence teams. If the big dogs within the BE can vote and petition to make decisions, then why can't the A10 force universities to invest in certain areas of athletics? Make it unaffordable for certain schools to not invest in basketball or facilities. Calling up the perennial bottom dwellers and telling them they are on their one come December obviously doesn't fly. But why can't the conference require certain things be done by a certain time or face consequences? Duquesne is a team that was in the national spotlight in the late 60's, yet has been stuck in the virtual Jim O'Brien years for four over 4 decades. Certain Philly schools may not have huge facilities, but they have competitive teams. St. Joes for example has a small but refreshed arena. They are a competitive team year in and year out.

There has to be recourse for schools that continually don't get it done or schools that refuse to invest in their programs. SLU is one that has fantastic facilities and we see where they are now. They will be back, but they have also invested in their basketball program.
Can it happen? Sure. It wasn't all that long ago that the A10 had performance metrics written into their by-laws. I'm not sure if that was just scheduling metrics, I seem to recall it requiring facility upgrades or minimums, but can't recall for sure.

anyways, here is your biggest problem. The teams that would be pushing this the hardest are also the teams that probably feel like they have the best chance of getting an invite to the Big East or potentially AAC (though in a case where they would invite a current A10 school likely means that they've lost one or more of their strong basketball programs to the Big 12, 10, ACC, etc... which would make the current A10 setup stronger than the current AAC basketball set up, if its not already).

The teams most likely to get an invite are easily recognizable, Dayton, VCU & St Louis. You could also make a case for Richmond since its private and would fit the school profile of the Big East better than VCU while maintaining the same market. Anyhoo, if you are St Joe's, St Bona's, George Mason, Davidson, etc... are you going to tie your shop to Dayton or VCU knowing that they would leave in 2 seconds, probably quicker if the Big East invited them? Would you risk alienating the ADs and presidents at Fordham or Duquesne or LaSalle, the 3 clearest targets without some sort of guarantee from Dayton, VCU & St Louis?

Its very careful water you are forced to tread, not only do you risk tying you school to the wrong boat, but you could potentially tie your own career to the wrong boat. These guys/gals all have connections to the presidents and ADs at other schools. How many of the current presidents or ADs in the A10 ultimate aspirations end with their current job?

You also have to consider that their current relationships with those presidents and ADs play a roll. Fordham may suck in basketball, but you like the guy running the show personally and are in his foursome every year at the A10 meetings. There are a ton of politics involved, what looks easy on paper is likely very, very difficult and potentially very, very expensive. Ultimately, its my belief that unless the teams at the top get stronger nationally, it doesn't make a difference how many teams you lop off from the backside, its still going to be viewed as a conference a rung or two down from the top 6.
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UD and the other "top" schools in the A10 need to get together and start to throw their weight around. Together they can effect minimum standards that lift all boats, or they band together and leave to form a new league. Either way, it's in our best interest to do something. Sitting around waiting for our "date" to arrive is not a plan.
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So, you are going to spend all that time, energy and resources to build a league that will largely look like the A10 with the full knowledge that there is a chance 1 or more schools bolt for the Big East w/n the next 5 seasons? Not going to happen.
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What does all of this have to do with Archie not leaving for any job opening? Yeah, I get it in regards to league affiliation etc. I'm of the mindset that the more you talk or wish about something not happening, it inevitably does.

This thread need to be taken to an open field and put out of it's misery.
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