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Old 12-21-2016, 09:47 PM
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Grayson Allen has to be Suspended by C. K

A terrific player. But, twice tripped players last year and nothing happened.
Said he learned from those mistakes. And, then does it again against an
Elon player tonight. Sit him down and show that repeated bad judgements DO have consequences.
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No doubt about it, a clear trip. He needs to be suspended to send him a message. Let's see if Coach K is a man.
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Old 12-22-2016, 12:46 AM
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Coach K basically said in the postgame that he's not going to suspend him. He said Allen did the right thing by apologizing to the other team/player after the game. (And I'm serious that Coach K said that)

It's going to be up the ACC to suspend Allen.
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The **** thing is he apologized on National Television this year before a game on his actions, boy if a oposing player did this to one of the Duke players. Coach K would be all over it
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Would Archie suspend Scoochie for doing the same thing?

Doubt it...nor would I expect it.

If the refs do their job, this is something that should be handled on the court. Whether it be a Technical or ejection, the refs should make this call.
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I disagree. Given similar circumstances (multiple offenses) I think Archie would let a player watch a game or two in street clothes.

For Allen, it's becoming habitual. The cries for suspension aren't just for last night...but the two in Feb as well. And yes, it's also a Duke and Coach K thing. Remember, his highness Shashefski yanked the Oregon player aside for showboating in the NCAAs, saying it was beneath him. Can't have it both ways, Mikey!
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I disagree. Given similar circumstances (multiple offenses) I think Archie would let a player watch a game or two in street clothes.
He's done nothing for worse violations, so I have to disagree. Especially if it were this season where every game counts!
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He's done nothing for worse violations, so I have to disagree. Especially if it were this season where every game counts!
I'm shocked.
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I would be interested to know what the deal was with his temper tantrum on the bench. Literally looked like the kid was well onto the spectrum at that point. Or having a literal conniption fit.
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The kid ought to get something that will discourage him from doing it again. He endangered another players career.

That said, the punishment walks a thin line. This was a flagrant foul, not a felony. The refs should have kicked him out if they were compelled to look at the screen a second time.
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ESPN is announcing that (due to political pressure) Grayson is being indefinitely suspended by Duke. Stay tuned.
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I am truly shocked Coach K/Duke have suspended Allen. I really thought the ACC would have to do it. My guess is that Duke saw the outcry and realized they had to suspend him, or the ACC commissioner called Duke and told them that he was going to suspend Allen unless Duke did it themselves.
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Rolling out a hypothetical about what Archie would do to Scooch is a complete non-starter.

This is about Allen and Duke. I don't know what they need to do to get it under control but it hasn't worked so far.
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Not sure I understand why he would be suspended. A foul is a foul. A trip is literally a type of foul called in the game. If he punched a guy or directed that kick to a specific area that might be a different story. Plus who cares about Duke?
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Because eventually he is going to hurt someone. This is similar to what Green in doing in the NBA with the kicking.
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I am truly shocked Coach K/Duke have suspended Allen. I really thought the ACC would have to do it. My guess is that Duke saw the outcry and realized they had to suspend him, or the ACC commissioner called Duke and told them that he was going to suspend Allen unless Duke did it themselves.
Too bad the ACC can't tell Louisville or UNC the same thing for fabricating classes/grades and hookers in dorms.
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Green has an obvious p*nis fetish

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Because eventually he is going to hurt someone. This is similar to what Green in doing in the NBA with the kicking.




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Not sure I understand why he would be suspended. A foul is a foul. A trip is literally a type of foul called in the game. If he punched a guy or directed that kick to a specific area that might be a different story. Plus who cares about Duke?

Correct

However, this is about the integrity of the game and sportsmanship, which believe it or not, should still exist in this world.
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Not sure I understand why he would be suspended. A foul is a foul. A trip is literally a type of foul called in the game. If he punched a guy or directed that kick to a specific area that might be a different story. Plus who cares about Duke?
Intentional act that has a high likelihood of causing injury.

A hard foul is a hard foul. Cheap shots and things of this nature are different in my opinion.

Accidental trips or trips that are part of a game action get called as fouls...intentional acts have to be treated differently. Hard intentional fouls...yes they are part of the game and are sometimes called as such. But an intentional trip has no part in the game.

If Scooch did something like this once...maybe it's an accident or heat of the moment...twice...WTF? A third time...come on man.
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I am truly shocked Coach K/Duke have suspended Allen. I really thought the ACC would have to do it. My guess is that Duke saw the outcry and realized they had to suspend him, or the ACC commissioner called Duke and told them that he was going to suspend Allen unless Duke did it themselves.
Damage control. 100%. Coach K and Duke had no choice. The fact that Grayson played in the second half (sitting the first 4 minutes only as punishment I believe) and taking his post-game press comments into consideration, Coach K likely didn't realize how big a firestorm it was going to be. If he could have looked the other way and moved on, he probably would have. But when he got home last night and saw how heavy both the media and general public were coming down on himself, Grayson and his program, he was left no other option. Absolutely, none. I think Coach K probably cares as much about his legacy as he does anything else at this point, and issuing a suspension was definitely in his best interest there.
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He's done nothing for worse violations, so I have to disagree. Especially if it were this season where every game counts!
Like what? I don't remember players doing worse in a game once, let alone 3 times.
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Intentional act that has a high likelihood of causing injury.

A hard foul is a hard foul. Cheap shots and things of this nature are different in my opinion.

Accidental trips or trips that are part of a game action get called as fouls...intentional acts have to be treated differently. Hard intentional fouls...yes they are part of the game and are sometimes called as such. But an intentional trip has no part in the game.

If Scooch did something like this once...maybe it's an accident or heat of the moment...twice...WTF? A third time...come on man.
The suspension is for the pattern of unsportsmanship. He wasn't really punished for the first two. But he's tripped players intentionally three times. If he was spitting on people, kneeing guys in the groin, stepping on players when they've hit the floor, even making obscene/inappropriate gestures, etc. with the same frequency that he's tripping guys, the outcome/outrage would be essentially the same.

It's sort of similar to the football player, Suh, who has repeatedly been caught stepping on guys. That's really the most similar example I can think of, though I am sure there are others. People will compare to Draymond Green's propensity for kicking his leg out, but I find that one debatable whether it's actually intentional. There's no doubt that Grayson is taking cheap shots and you just can't have that.
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Like what? I don't remember players doing worse in a game once, let alone 3 times.
Off court violations...let's leave it at that.
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Like what? I don't remember players doing worse in a game once, let alone 3 times.
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Off court violations...let's leave it at that.
I can't recall much in the way of unsportsmanship happening with a Dayton player ever either. Off the court stuff is not a like comparison. In the grand scheme of things and off the basketball coart, absolutely there are a million things you could do, criminal acts included, that are way worse than tripping a guy. Those things are generally best punished by the university and/or legal process though. Sanctions for the on-the-court transgressions like that committed by Grayson, or things like showing up late for practice, obviously fall to the coach. They are different in nearly every way, and the penalties imposed for each really shouldn't be compared to each other. If you want to compare off-the-court suspensions to each other, or basketball-related suspensions to each other, that's fair I think. But you can't compare two entirely different things.
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ESPN is announcing that (due to political pressure) Grayson is being indefinitely suspended by Duke. Stay tuned.
Jay Williams called for a 5 game suspension, now this is from a former Duke player on ESPN
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I do not like Coach K these days because he has become a liberal crybaby on the whole bathroom issue, but on post game interviews I heard last night on the local news he stated that he would deal with Allen's punishment. So I do not think he is going to wait for the ACC. He also took Allen after the game to apologize to the player and his coach. Not many coaches would do that.
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I don't know about the suspension but another occurrence should result in dismissal from the program.
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Jay Williams called for a 5 game suspension, now this is from a former Duke player on ESPN
Not a big fan of him as an announcer, but it was refreshing to see Duke guys - especially those in the media - calling for harsh punishment.
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The Raleigh paper just reported that Grayson is indeed suspended indefinitely.
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To me this is nothing more than a personal foul would be in football. How many football players get suspended after their 3rd penalized late hit on a QB or a 3rd leading with the helmet tackle??

FWIW, I think Grayson is an immature punk and should have been severely punished the first time he tripped someone. But as most of you understand, rarely do coaches/fans/ADs think similarly to me.
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The key word I think many are overlooking is "indefinitely." This could mean anywhere from 24 hours to the rest of his career. Knowing Coach K these days, and how much he puts himself and the Duke program above the rest of the college basketball world, I'm not expecting much more than a one or two game suspension. After hearing what he said after the game, I wasn't expecting any kind of suspension, so I'm figuring this is all coming from outside pressure. I have little doubt if an opposing player had tripped one of his guys, he would be singing an entirely different tune.

Having said that, Duke needs to get this kid some help. He obviously has some anger issues he simply can't control on the court at times. His temper tantrum on the bench was one for the ages. Made the situation 100X worse than it already was.
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He also took Allen after the game to apologize to the player and his coach. Not many coaches would do that.
Coach K was very quick to bring that up in the post-game presser. By orchestrating that, I think he was at least in-part trying to put a bow on it, so he could just say things were dealt with. But like I said before, I'm sure Coach K didn't fully grasp the outrage/firestorm that was brewing.
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To me this is nothing more than a personal foul would be in football. How many football players get suspended after their 3rd penalized late hit on a QB or a 3rd leading with the helmet tackle??

FWIW, I think Grayson is an immature punk and should have been severely punished the first time he tripped someone. But as most of you understand, rarely do coaches/fans/ADs think similarly to me.
Leading with the helmet, late hits to a QB, hitting guys a step out of bounds are generally errors of timing/execution. In game ejections or fines for the pros are the ways this is legislated. In basketball, the equivalent is an excessively hard foul on a guy going to the hoop or swinging the elbows. Flagrant fouls can lead to ejection. The football comparison is to Suh, who keeps getting caught stepping on players on the ground. Suh has been fined and did serve a two game suspension for one of his more egregious trampling offenses.
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I can't recall much in the way of unsportsmanship happening with a Dayton player ever either.
Not common but I remember Tom Crosswhite giving a Miami star a hard elbow to the face as they crossed center court. This was back in the day of 2 refs and they didn't catch it (and I'm guessing there wasn't replay).
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We are talking college not the pros. I don't know that exact rule but I believe targeting or leading with the helmet in college football gets you kicked out for that half you are playing in and one more half. I consider intentional tripping like that to be along the same lines, maybe worse. In leading with the helmet the player is still trying to make a football play. Sticking your leg out in basketball is not. Grayson should have not played the rest of the game last night.
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If the same guy in the same program, on 3 different fast breaks over the course of 12 months, shoved a guy into the 3rd row after shooting a layup...would there be punishment outside of a personal/flagrant foul? I would think yes and I think there should be.

There are violations of rule that are part of the game and strategically part of the game...like fouling. There is no room in sports, "amateur" sports for sure, for actions that are intentional and serve no purpose other than being out of frustration and can injure someone.

As others have stated...it is the unsportsmanlike conduct that is more of the problem than the contact on the floor.
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Grayson is a punk and left unchecked, he will eventually hurt someone and jeopardize their future in the game. I am glad they decided to suspend his azz. His kind of systemic behavior needs to be professionally treated, and until he gets his head wrapped around this, he belongs on the bench.
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Only saw the replay of last night's incident, not the previous ones, but when you see his behavior on the bench you wonder if there is not some sort of a deeper psychological issue. His reaction seemed to be way beyond what you might expect. He seemed genuinely violent and had to be restrained.
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After Allen apologized to the player, the kid said that he accepted his apology and understood things happen in the heat of the battle and I get hyped up that way sometimes. K jumped in and said sure, but you keep your composure and Grayson needs to. Bet Grayson feels pretty low today, but as many have said he needs therapy. I'm sure that will be a condition of his returning.
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There is a big difference between hard shots and cheap fouls. I agree 100% with Shocka that a cheap shot that can cause injury. I've been in those situations. If Grayson did that to me or my teammate, I would have and have responded. Hard to stay cool when someone is deliberately attempting to hurt you. A trip is nothing more than a cheap juvenile way to hurt someone.

Showing other flagrant fouls by NBA players does not justify that one.

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Green was mentioned earlier because he kicks people a lot. some people believe he cannot help himself. But it only occurs when someone blocks his shot or takes a rebound from him, it is simply an angry reaction. at some point he could easily break someone's jaw or something else and knock them out for weeks. What will his suspection be when this happens?
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If the same guy in the same program, on 3 different fast breaks over the course of 12 months, shoved a guy into the 3rd row after shooting a layup...would there be punishment outside of a personal/flagrant foul? I would think yes and I think there should be.

There are violations of rule that are part of the game and strategically part of the game...like fouling. There is no room in sports, "amateur" sports for sure, for actions that are intentional and serve no purpose other than being out of frustration and can injure someone.

As others have stated...it is the unsportsmanlike conduct that is more of the problem than the contact on the floor.
Well said!

To say nothing of the fact that the kid appears to be a colossal DB.
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Green was mentioned earlier because he kicks people a lot. some people believe he cannot help himself. But it only occurs when someone blocks his shot or takes a rebound from him, it is simply an angry reaction. at some point he could easily break someone's jaw or something else and knock them out for weeks. What will his suspection be when this happens?
What I recall seeing was a bunch of clips strung together of players kicking out their legs on jumpers and Green's didn't seem all that unusual to me. But I really don't care enough to look at video again. I know Draymond has argued they are unintentional. But no one is suggesting Grayson is tripping dudes on accident, so this is on another level in my opinion. Much more similar to Suh.
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Driving this morning I caught Dan Patrick's interview with Mike K. The interview was previously scheduled, but focused on Allen because of last night's events.
Click on Hour 3, starts about the 15:30 mark.
http://www.danpatrick.com/2016/12/22/

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Fairly contentious interview with Coach K. Patrick tried to press Coach K a bit, but then backed off when Coach K got riled up a bit.
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Coach K ridiculous in the interview. Basically states everybody has made the same mistake 3x in their life and goes after Dan Patrick.

Lose more respect for Coach K every year ....
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Coach K ridiculous in the interview. Basically states everybody has made the same mistake 3x in their life and goes after Dan Patrick.

Lose more respect for Coach K every year ....
This.

DP asks how Allen explains his behavior and K gets all indignant thinking that the question was, "How does something like this happen?" Dan corrects him regarding what he actually asks and then Tool tries to turn it back on Dan saying, "Have you ever done something wrong more than 3 times?" WTF?! I also enjoyed hearing him say that teaching will help him stop with the tripping. Nice job on that one so far, coach!
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Coach K didn't suspend him the A.D. or school president did. He's making it worse.
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Grayson Allen

may have a serious mental illness. He knows what he is doing is wrong but the pressure of competition results in him repeating his violent behavior. Coach K comes off looking like a pushover. This young man needs professional help and not from a basketball coach. The talking Sports Heads are having fun with the Duke "Bad Boy" story line but the player needs
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Allen is on the bench in street clothes and VaTech taking it to Duke so far. VaTech up 52-38 16 min left in game
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Coach K to miss 4 week with back surgery. Wonder if he'll tell Grayson, I'll get with you about your return when I get back?

I reup my prediction that this could be his last year coaching. Duke - don't be snifffing around our coach.
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I reup my prediction that this could be his last year coaching. Duke - don't be snifffing around our coach.
Whenever Coach K does retire he will be the one telling the Duke AD who will be his replacement. It will be somebody from his coaching tree and not an outsider. Archie to Duke is something that will never happen. If Chris Collins can get Northwestern to the NCAA tournament I think he is the most likely replacement especially since so many other former Duke assistants have not been that successful as head coaches.
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Whenever Coach K does retire he will be the one telling the Duke AD who will be his replacement. It will be somebody from his coaching tree and not an outsider. Archie to Duke is something that will never happen. If Chris Collins can get Northwestern to the NCAA tournament I think he is the most likely replacement especially since so many other former Duke assistants have not been that successful as head coaches.
These four weeks will be an audition for Jeff Capel. If he passes, he would be first inline for the job.
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These four weeks will be an audition for Jeff Capel. If he passes, he would be first inline for the job.
Capel is going to fall flat on his face. There's just no way Grayson can sit on the bench without extending a leg at an opportune moment.
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BTW this is Coach K's fifth surgery in the past year. That is tough on a 70 year old.
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So indefinite suspension lasted all of one game.
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So indefinite suspension lasted all of one game.
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Krzyzewski is a hypocrite...and he learned from one of the best. Holier than thou...until someone or something in his own program torpedoes his own preachy philosophy. Even Jay Bilas jumped his case a little bit during the broadcast last night, saying that he's never seen anything like the G. Allen situation of habitually tripping player and also saying that the scrutiny over the situation, including the suspension, is fair.
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Krzyzewski is a hypocrite...and he learned from one of the best. Holier than thou...until someone or something in his own program torpedoes his own preachy philosophy. Even Jay Bilas jumped his case a little bit during the broadcast last night, saying that he's never seen anything like the G. Allen situation of habitually tripping player and also saying that the scrutiny over the situation, including the suspension, is fair.
You're being too generous....Nothing like loosing a league game which was the only game Allen missed and knowing you're going to be missing the next month or so due to surgery, and needing to leave the next guy in charge (Capel ) with a full arsenal at hand...

Just an embarrassing and bush-league move by the dick-wad coach and, more so, the ACC for letting that POS levy the punishment in the first place....
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The real hypocrite is the NCAA. The ACC is just too big and important to be disciplined! Although the situation with Duke is stupid, look at NC where they don't even try to pretend these are "student athletes" and you'll never see anything happen here. Don't forget about Louisville either. Only the "little guys" get sanctioned.
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I wonder whether the ACC would have levied additional games had Duke come out and just said it was one game? I could see the ACC saying "well, it's been handled" when they suspended him indefinitely. They can't really do anything now.
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There is no doubt in my mind that 99% of you would think the same penalty is way overboard if the situation involved Scoochie, Archie, UD and the A10.

IMRO, Duke handled it appropriately. One game suspension and permanently stripping Grayson of his captain/leadership status should be enough.

Recall that Devon Scott was voted Captain AFTER dragging his baby-momma to the street where he also tossed her laundry and most of you defended him.
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There is no doubt in my mind that 99% of you would think the same penalty is way overboard if the situation involved Scoochie, Archie, UD and the A10.

IMRO, Duke handled it appropriately. One game suspension and permanently stripping Grayson of his captain/leadership status should be enough.

Recall that Devon Scott was voted Captain AFTER dragging his baby-momma to the street where he also tossed her laundry and most of you defended him.
One difference: Archie didn't (and doesn't) go out of his way to tell other programs and other players how THEY should behave.
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There is no doubt in my mind that 99% of you would think the same penalty is way overboard if the situation involved Scoochie, Archie, UD and the A10.

IMRO, Duke handled it appropriately. One game suspension and permanently stripping Grayson of his captain/leadership status should be enough.

Recall that Devon Scott was voted Captain AFTER dragging his baby-momma to the street where he also tossed her laundry and most of you defended him.
A third attempt on the court to attempt to injure another player is a serious offense. The tripping is nothing more than an attempt to injure an opponent.
I know plenty of players that if tripped like that by an opponent in a pick up game, rec league, or higher would come back up swinging.

Justifying a weak suspension because other commit flagrant fouls elsewhere is not right. Just because Green made dirty plays, that does not make Grayson's OK. I would want Archie to deal with it more severely , regardless of the player.

I find it very hypocritical that you can blast UD whenever the punishment does not meet the crime, but look the other ways and seem to justify if when other programs (college and NBA) that do not address flagrant attempts to injure opponents.
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Most flagrant plays in sports are written off under the guise of 'competition' and sometimes I agree. The Grayson trip was in impulsive reaction that I'm sure he immediately regretted and paid a price for. That is was the 3rd time bothers me the most. But worse things happen during games.

Did you see the Clemson football player who, after a tackle and in the scrum, tried to twist/rip the balls off the OSU player last week? That's taught, not impulsive...that, to me, is an obvious suspension violation, but nobody is saying squat about it...in fact, most are joking around about how often it happens, calling it 'checking the oil'.

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Most flagrant plays in sports are written off under the guise of 'competition' and sometimes I agree. The Grayson trip was in impulsive reaction that I'm sure he immediately regretted and paid a price for. That is was the 3rd time bothers me the most. But worse things happen during games.
Your royal charm notwithstanding...to say "worse things happen during games" doesn't float with me. Allen's most recent offense very easily could have led to a major injury, even worse than the Clemson vs OSU oil check. Then what?

Agree to disagree on this one. The third offense in less than a year raises the stakes on punishment. If I'm ACC, I let the coach handle it...after the third, the league should take over since even the Almighty Coach K's handling of the situation (gasp) did not work.

As Jay Bilas said the other night...this is unprecedented in terms of a repeat offender tripping opponents during games. Which makes for good message board chatter/debate...
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Did he try it again?

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Did he try it again?

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It was not a trip. A kick? Yes.
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Every game he manages to do something requiring video review. Unbelievable!

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Every game he manages to do something requiring video review. Unbelievable!

http://thebiglead.com/2017/01/10/gra...ay-area-video/
And the title of the report said this was "gray area". I saw nothing gray about it. Allen's shove of the assistant coach needs a comic strip balloon with the words "GTF out of my way!" At least, that's what I gleaned from his body language. What a spoiled brat of an asshat!
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Every game he manages to do something requiring video review. Unbelievable!

http://thebiglead.com/2017/01/10/gra...ay-area-video/
On Mike & Mike this morning they said this was grey area. I disagree. Nobody goes out of bounds and throws an elbow like that. It's totally unnatural.

This kid has problems and they need to sit him before he hurts himself or others. He clearly needs to get his life together.
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He is defiantly a distraction and no longer can be given the benefit of the doubt. It’s on to the next play. Usually these things all workout in the end and with them losing last night and mostly likely again on Saturday the working out part will be upon them as you know he's going to do something crazy.

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This guy is a complete hoops jerk. He needs to be suspended for the rest of the year in my book. I have never seen such a chronic basketball jack-ass in my life. Some players do stupid things on the court, but they learn from their errors. He doesn't and Coach K needs to be held responsible for his lack of basketball class by continuing to play him.
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The Florida State coach doesn't think the play was dirty for what it's worth.

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It doesn't matter what the facts are, he has put himself in the same bag as Dennis Rodman, Odell Beckham, Vontaze Burfict, the kid from Ok St, and many others. Those guys will be put under a microscope and judged as guilty for everything that is close to wrong. Hopefully the kid has a strong disposition because he will need it. The NBA guys will antagonize him till he bends. In the end he made his bed. Probably just one more reason for Coach K to strongly consider retirement.
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