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Skeens xfer to Ball State

Not totally unexpected but sad about what coulda/shoulda been.

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Not sure what the issue was she just didn't see much playing time. Wish her well at Ball State.
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Skeens never seemed to develop into the player we all had hoped for. She is better off bumping down a level.
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She was a good offensive player, just couldn't seem to figure out the defense.
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I'd get to 7 pm games at five she'd be on the court shooting and she'd never miss - shore up that defense and that will be quite a coup for Ball St.
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Skeens never seemed to develop into the player we all had hoped for. She is better off bumping down a level.
Considering the overall quality of WBB in the A10 this year, I'm not sure that going to a MAC school is "bumping down a level."

Wish her well, she seems a hard worker and great teammate.
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Ball State beat Buffalo (twice) and Central Michigan this year -- Flyers lost to both.
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She was a good offensive player, just couldn't seem to figure out the defense.
Good offensively. Was there one of her 11 baskets that was indicative of this or the “grand “ total?
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To be fair look at her high school numbers the ability was there offensively - did it happen at UD no but there is potential. If you watched her shoot two hours prior to games you;d also see the potential. I realize a lot of players at the D-1 level were well over 1,000 points in high school so that may not be the best argument to use but I also don;t think we should ridicule her ability.
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Originally Posted by Barney Sentner View Post
To be fair look at her high school numbers the ability was there offensively - did it happen at UD no but there is potential. If you watched her shoot two hours prior to games you;d also see the potential. I realize a lot of players at the D-1 level were well over 1,000 points in high school so that may not be the best argument to use but I also don;t think we should ridicule her ability.
There are all kinds of great high school shooters and scorers, especially from smaller schools, who never sniff a D1 team. You cannot be just a good shooter. If you do not have the size and/or the quickness and/or the overall skill set, you will end up as a walk on or intramural player. Also thousands of kids never progress physically as they age.

A few years back one of my employees has a kid who led the state of IN in rushing. He played at the second largest level of high schools. He was about 5'9" and 160 lbs and a track star. He received zero D1 offers! He went to a DIII school and rarely played.
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So you bring up a great point, its quite an accomplishment she received a Division One basketball scholarship and yes the percentage of high school athletes to receive one for D1 has to be quite low. One thing the UD program can be proud of is very few players transfer out. I think of Amber Deane but didn't she go to Indiana after being injured as a grad transfer and unfortunately had little impact there.
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Boy I sure missed an obvious one there- great player at Ashland and now a great coach there - went undefeated this year and gave UD quite a tussle in the exhibition game and had two D2 All Americans on the first team.
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Good offensively. Was there one of her 11 baskets that was indicative of this or the “grand “ total?
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Was one of Jordan Siberts 42 field goals and 2.5ppg at Ohio State indicative or was it the "grand total"?
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Was one of Jordan Siberts 42 field goals and 2.5ppg at Ohio State indicative or was it the "grand total"?
Seriously, you are comparing Seibert’ s inability to shine on the ‘10-11 TOSU team that was ranked #1 for seven weeks and finished 34-3!! , and the ‘11-12 team that went to the freaking final four and won 31 games! He played in 49 games.

Compare that to Ella, who couldn’t cut it on two mediocre UD squads that were ranked, oh they were never ranked, sorry- Back to Ella, did you see her play?? She had nothing, nada at this level - one light years below the top of the food chain where Jordan was competing.

Still he managed more than 2x the fg’s 3x the minutes, 2.5x the points over the same period of 2 years. So yes, one might be able to see he had some offensive ability. Whereas it would seem either impossible to deduce that Ella had any ability because of the low sample size, or conclude she had none based on how little she did or how little confidence the coach of this seriously offensively deficient team had in her ability to produce points.
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You're right. 2 is the double of 1. Which is the same as 20 the double of 10. The player that doubled their scoring average in each case must have had the same challenge. Just as hard to go from 1ppg to 2ppg as it is 10 to 20.

You also specifically made the distinction that Siberts numbers were NOT low sample size. Why is his sample size not low but Skeens was? Both were floor mops for two years. Skeens didnt play because she couldnt shoot. She didnt play because she could not defend at an elite level like her teammates which was priority #1. But you already knew that from listening to Green explain it a dozen times in the last 2yrs.
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I am saddened to see Skeens leave. I thought she was one of the few who could create her own shots. She could shoot well. She was a pretty decent rebounder. Yes, her defense was not up to the rest of the team, but why was it like that?

Doesn't some of that fall on the coaches or was it foot speed?

I wish her luck. Yet, there is a lot of new faces coming in and she is better off at Ball State. Good luck Ella!

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Skeens transfers from Ball State to the University of Rio Grande

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I am saddened to see Skeens leave. I thought she was one of the few who could create her own shots. She could shoot well. She was a pretty decent rebounder. Yes, her defense was not up to the rest of the team, but why was it like that?

Doesn't some of that fall on the coaches or was it foot speed?

I wish her luck. Yet, there is a lot of new faces coming in and she is better off at Ball State. Good luck Ella!

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Rio Grande is a very small school,@900 enrollment and a NAIA school for athletics.
She has 2 years of eligibility left if NAIA has similar rules to NCAA. Rio Grande is less than an hour from her hometown. She played a total of 43 minutes this year for Ball St. who played 25 games.
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