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Mislav Brzoja will be on campus today and tomorrow. He visited UK last week but speculation is that UK has decided not to offer him a scholarship. Probably because Calipari is striving for his entire roster to be one and dones.
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i forget who else was interested, thought i read marquette, think a few others. i'll say this, archie and co. are getting after it. seems like every other day the past few weeks we have had a recruit or 2 on campus. all over the map as well. nice to hear/see
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if you see mislav around campus, say "zdravo" (hello) and "dobro" (good). or, just go with dobro. i'm sure the recruits are aware of who else is soon to or has visited. i have to believe we get another commit within the next 1-2 weeks. with uk not offering, mislav may jump if offered today.
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Originally Posted by FlyerFanatic08
i forget who else was interested, thought i read marquette, think a few others. i'll say this, archie and co. are getting after it. seems like every other day the past few weeks we have had a recruit or 2 on campus. all over the map as well. nice to hear/see
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Care to give a summary of who they are? I can only think of a handful of names...
Mislav
Sibert
Levert
Taylor
Barnette
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
Care to give a summary of who they are? I can only think of a handful of names...
Mislav
Sibert
Levert
Taylor
Barnette
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Price. That's quite a few for this time of year.
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Originally Posted by FlyingArrow
Care to give a summary of who they are? I can only think of a handful of names...
Mislav
Sibert
Levert
Taylor
Barnette
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price as well though he committed
well thats what i meant...mainly the ones we have heard about...not sure if others or not, just simply saying its nice to see getting some of these recruits on campus hopefully meaning we're closer to adding some pieces. thats all.
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Landing Brzoja would be a huge get in my opinion. He can play.
http://johnclay.bloginky.com/2012/04...-usa-u19-team/
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For those of you with ESPN Insider here is a link to their Rumors page. To summarize, they think that Sibert's comments about his visit to UD are very promising especially considering that Xavier and Missouri have lots of guards on their roster and he would be in a similar situation as he was in at OSU. They also threw in a little tidbit about Brzoja. They are hearing that he is not athletic enough for Calipari.
http://insider.espn.go.com/mens-coll...eatures/rumors
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
Mislav Brzoja will be on campus today and tomorrow. He visited UK last week but speculation is that UK has decided not to offer him a scholarship. Probably because Calipari is striving for his entire roster to be one and dones.
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Speaking of UK, our old thug friend Lyons is visiting there and has them in his final three. Wonder if UK has him in their final 3. Read the Cincinnati Enquirer article if you want to vomit.
http://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...iness-decision
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/nkysport...sits-kentucky/
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Any news on how Mislav's visit went?
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I checked the links, and all I can say is WOW!!!! 2 Mason High School staffers were the latest to quit!
Oh, yeah, and there was that stuff about Lyons checking out UK, too.
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Sorry, not impressed
Miraslav only averaged 6 points a game and 22 turnovers to 9 assists through the tournament in which they beat the US. We need someone more athletic and a not a TO machine. Sounds a lot like Jimmie Binnie.
I'll take LeVert, Wilbut, Edwards, or Moore over this young man - or else save the schollie.
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if UK is taking a look i'm not going to put much stock into some of those stats. calipari isn't going to waste his time giving jimmie binnie's official visits.
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Quick comment - I have to defend Binnie. He is commonly referred to here when someone gives an example of a nonperformer. Binnie was a very good high school player with high shooting percent. And when he graduated from UD and played overseas, he has been successful with an excellent shooting %. His nonproduction at UD, in my opinion, is because our coach chose Binnie to be the quarterback on the court. Binnie seemed to be looking at the bench for instructions more often than he looked at the court....especially in close games. That would make it hard to concentrate and play your game.
Sorry for the interruption. Back to recruit talk.
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Originally Posted by UDan71
Miraslav only averaged 6 points a game and 22 turnovers to 9 assists through the tournament in which they beat the US. We need someone more athletic and a not a TO machine. Sounds a lot like Jimmie Binnie.
I'll take LeVert, Wilbut, Edwards, or Moore over this young man - or else save the schollie.
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Man, I really like what I have seen from him in the limited amount of video I watched. Turnovers are more of a concern in my mind when evaluating a point guard. I think you are probably looking at a tournament in which he tried to do a little too much at times playing with a group of guys with whom he may or may not have been accustomed to playing with. As previous posters have noted, Calipari's interest is noteworthy. Marquette has been doing a great job in recruiting of late and their involvement is also a good sign.
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Originally Posted by UDan71
Miraslav only averaged 6 points a game and 22 turnovers to 9 assists through the tournament in which they beat the US. We need someone more athletic and a not a TO machine. Sounds a lot like Jimmie Binnie.
I'll take LeVert, Wilbut, Edwards, or Moore over this young man - or else save the schollie.
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The tournament where Mislav only avg 6 pts was when he played up a year. (A years ahead of his age)
He led the Croatian national team in scoring when he played on the correct team for his age.
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So whats the story with the Canadian kid, Dyshawn Pierre, who was on campus today? He is pretty highly rated by ESPN. Looks like he led Canada's national u19 team in scoring (16.9) and rebounding (8.3) Per his twitter, it was his second official visit. He tweeted this photo: http://instagr.am/p/KIF4T3xhzc/
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/ba...dyshawn-pierre
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I know nothing about this kid other than what I just read. Hoping him tweeting the picture he tweeted and taking a second visit is a good sign for us. Could he possibly have committed today, thus the picture he posted. Could be an interesting couple of days.
As for reading about him, numerous quotes and articles to be found on the following site-
http://northpolehoops.com
Triple double in a tourney game-
http://northpolehoops.com/2012/03/06...triple-double/
Also read on this site where he is the second highest rated player (4th highest in another article) coming out of Canada right now and that "he presents major match up problems for defenders as they can not stop him on his dribble penetration."
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LMAO at him wanting the "keys to the car"...First off, that's something that needs to be "earned" and it has more to do than just being a great player/scorer..Scolding your teammates, not listening to your coaches, and continuing mocking opponents ain't an endearing way to gain the respect of your teammates and be "the man"...Secondly, I don't see PG mentality in him as he's a 2 guard that can get to the rack and hit deep jumpers from the wing...Gotta let the game come to you more as the PG and read and react based on that versus the other way around........Mack ain't no idiot and did not want to lose his team again..
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Here's a tweet from Jeff Goodman at CBS posted this morning...
Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanCBS)
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Ohio State transfer Jordan Sibert leaning towards Dayton, sources told CBSSports. Ex-Teammate J.D. Weatherspoon looking at Toledo, Temple.
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Here's a tweet from Jeff Goodman at CBS posted this morning...
Jeff Goodman (@GoodmanCBS)
5/3/12 10:03 AM
Ohio State transfer Jordan Sibert leaning towards Dayton, sources told CBSSports. Ex-Teammate J.D. Weatherspoon looking at Toledo, Temple.
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Now that is some good news! With that extra schollie I would love to get a transfer like Sibert
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Pierre, Sibert, LeVert, Taylor, Mislav
Any 3 of the above sounds great.
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Also read on this site where he is the second highest rated player (4th highest in another article) coming out of Canada right now and that "he presents major match up problems for defenders as they can not stop him on his dribble penetration."
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I wonder if we could get the highest ranked downhill skier from Jamaica as well. Maybe the 3rd highest ranked defensive tackle out of Thailand for the football team?
In other words, without knowing anything else besides what was written above, I'd rather have the highest ranked off-season transfer guard from tOSU whose last name starts with an "S". That might be the wrong call, it's just that Canada is not the most fertile recruiting ground generally speaking. He could be a world-class player for all I know but often it's not really something to brag about to say "we got the 4th highest ranked recruit in Canada."
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Our last Canadian averaged 10 points and 6 rebounds for career at Dayton. Played on the Canadian National team. Lots of awards. Solid player.
Kendel Ross.
If there is a guy out there from Canada that could give us that, I'd take it.
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
I wonder if we could get the highest ranked downhill skier from Jamaica as well. Maybe the 3rd highest ranked defensive tackle out of Thailand for the football team?
In other words, without knowing anything else besides what was written above, I'd rather have the highest ranked off-season transfer guard from tOSU whose last name starts with an "S". That might be the wrong call, it's just that Canada is not the most fertile recruiting ground generally speaking. He could be a world-class player for all I know but often it's not really something to brag about to say "we got the 4th highest ranked recruit in Canada."
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Seriously?
34 + million people in Canada, has to be a few good ball players
TWO (2) first round NBA picks in last years draft were from Canada
http://northpolehoops.com/2011/06/24...ians-in-draft/
21 NBA players are from Canada, more than any other foreign country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gn_NBA_players
And part of my post where you cherry picked this from included web sites with stories and information on this kid, including an article where he dominated in an AAU tournament in Pittsburgh. Do we need to also avoid players (or coaches) who come from the Keystone State?
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Seriously?
34 + million people in Canada, has to be a few good ball players
TWO (2) first round NBA picks in last years draft were from Canada
http://northpolehoops.com/2011/06/24...ians-in-draft/
21 NBA players are from Canada
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gn_NBA_players
And part of my post where you cherry picked this from included web sites with stories and information on this kid, including an article where he dominated in an AAU tournament in Pittsburgh. Do we need to also avoid players (or coaches) who come from the Keystone State?
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Thailand has close to 70 million (who knew?). We ought to be in good shape with the 3rd best DT.
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Thailand NO
Considering their average height is 5' 6" (guessing), they can keep their DT. ;-)
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And 75 percent of that 34+ million (25.5 million) live within 100 miles of the U.S. border. I think there's a very good chance that in any given year the 4th highest rated recruit out of just the greater Toronto area could be a better player than one of the last guys off the bench at OSU. This isn't meant as a knock on Sibert but if I have to make a choice blindly every year give me the 4th best recruit from the entire country of Canada every time.
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St. Bonaventure also recruiting Pierre. (They didn't have too bad a year.) They already have two other Canadians on the roster, apparently. And Andrew Nicholson fared pretty well for a Canadian (lives 45 minutes from Pierre).
Check out comments on their chatlist:
http://bonabandwagon.proboards.com/i...y&thread=10123
If Archie likes him, I like him.
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Seriously?
34 + million people in Canada, has to be a few good ball players
TWO (2) first round NBA picks in last years draft were from Canada
http://northpolehoops.com/2011/06/24...ians-in-draft/
21 NBA players are from Canada, more than any other foreign country.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...gn_NBA_players
And part of my post where you cherry picked this from included web sites with stories and information on this kid, including an article where he dominated in an AAU tournament in Pittsburgh. Do we need to also avoid players (or coaches) who come from the Keystone State?
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First, NO, not seriously. I wasn't picking on you, just joking around, only 1/2 serious. The line from Good Morning Vietnam comes to mind.
The population of Canada is less than that of California with 1 important difference: basketball ranks behind pro hockey, college hockey, minor league hockey, semi-pro hockey, high school hockey, lacrosse, baseball, football, and soccer. OK it's not that bad, basketball is actually pretty popular, but you guys really take yourselves too seriously.
Again, I don't have any idea how good this kid is. It just struck me funny to say we might get the 4th best player in Canada. Hence the in my original post.
EDIT: 21 players aren't currently from Canada, that's 21 all-time, and the dang game was invented by a Canadian. There are currently 6 out of about 450 (30 teams, 15 man rosters), or about 1.3%.
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And 75 percent of that 34+ million (25.5 million) live within 100 miles of the U.S. border. I think there's a very good chance that in any given year the 4th highest rated recruit out of just the greater Toronto area could be a better player than one of the last guys off the bench at OSU. This isn't meant as a knock on Sibert but if I have to make a choice blindly every year give me the 4th best recruit from the entire country of Canada every time.
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I'll take the top rated from about 2/3 of the states before the 4th from Canada.
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I'll take the top rated from about 2/3 of the states before the 4th from Canada.
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In most cases we all would, but how often are we getting the top rated from any of the 2/3 of the states on your list? Plus, we would need three of these top rated from one of your 2/3 of states every year to maintain a roster of 12.
I think he is better than a few of our other options we are looking at and will be an asset to our program.
Plus ESPN gives him a 91, higher than most or our current recruits.
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How was Andrew Nicholson rated in Canada. I think there are more good Canadian hoopsters than we think.
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How was Andrew Nicholson rated in Canada. I think there are more good Canadian hoopsters than we think.
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Texas and Zona have done pretty good by Canada players
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Although a ways out, this guy doesn't look too bad... and speaking of Canadians, not necessarily Flyer recruits.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.c...sp?CID=1361829
"It's an honor coming from Canada and being classified as the top prospect in another country," Wiggins told Rivals.com. "I just try to stay humble and it means another year of hard work for me because I know there are other hungry kids out there who want to be No. 1, too."
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Found an update on Brzoja from an LSU site.
Mislav has made three official visits to Bradley, Kentucky, and Dayton, in chronological order.
Per his coach, he is expected to take all 5 of his visits and is also considering visiting Marquette, Providence and Utah. His coach also said that the visits would come very quickly and that he would make a decision in the next week-plus.
So here's what I think we know:
1) Kentucky decided not to offer so his finalists are likely Bradley, Dayton, Marquette, Providence and Utah.
2) Caris Levert's decision is expected as early as Monday or Tuesday. If Caris commits, Brzoja's offer could be off the table.
Next week should be interesting!
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Also, an update of sorts on Caris with a couple of quotes from his coach.
"He had his visit to Purdue earlier this week and was at Michigan yesterday and today," Francis told The News on Thursday. "He has prom on Saturday and we'll get together on Monday, so (the decision) might be next week."
"He's a great fit (for Michigan)," Francis said. "He has a great ability to score and a tremendous upside. Playing with other great players would make it easier for him."
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Well, I think it's pretty clear to all as to good Coach Francis's motives in this process. He seems determined to take Caris to the Big 10. He must love seeing his name in print.
Hopefully, Caris and his mom will be independent thinkers in the decision-making process.
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there is little doubt that his coach wants him in the B10.
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Willie Moore has narrowed his choices to Virginia Tech or South Carolina. I'm surprised by the ruling that he would have to sit out a year if he went to another A10 school. Given that we need a guard who can play right away, he's not a good fit. Time to move on.
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Per the BBR via Corey Albertson, Moore committed to Oregon.
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based on his coach's comments, i have to believe caris is bound for um. i understand that players play better with better talent around them, but, if the other guys on the bench have more talent, the player may get a limited opportunity. it will be truly sad if we see caris looking to transfer after 1-2 years at um.
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based on his coach's comments, i have to believe caris is bound for um. i understand that players play better with better talent around them, but, if the other guys on the bench have more talent, the player may get a limited opportunity. it will be truly sad if we see caris looking to transfer after 1-2 years at um.
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I wouldn't necessarily assume that..I've found no parallel surface to show what his coach says and what Caris actually believes or insinuates....There's alot of "let me make the decision for you "type posturing by Francis based on his likings but nothing backing that up by the kid himself unless I'm missing something.
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Maybe the coach wants to make it clear that his guy could play at UM.
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I wouldn't necessarily assume that..I've found no parallel surface to show what his coach says and what Caris actually believes or insinuates....There's alot of "let me make the decision for you "type posturing by Francis based on his likings but nothing backing that up by the kid himself unless I'm missing something.
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its best just not to read into any comments by anyone, even the kid himself. nobody knows whats running through an 18 yr old kids head.
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Maybe the coach wants to make it clear that his guy could play at UM.
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The coach could just say nothing(as in the large majority of cases, we here comments from a coach after the commitment) and let Caris speak for himself when he decides. There is no reason to talk unless their is an agenda. I don't know what it is but if he didn't have one who wouldn't have to say a word.
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yeah, i know that caris is the one who makes the decision, and we need to hear from him. i also know that coach's speak doesn't necessarily reflect what the kid is thinking. but, my thought, again these are just mine...no empirical evidence, is that francis has been a mouthpiece for caris throughout the process. caris tweeted about his visit to ud. then, it disappeared. i have to believe that his decision was guided by francis. i doubt that his mom told hiim he should remain quiet. he visited iowa despite the fact that caris doesn't want to be too far from his home. it's what we've seen with caris that leads me to believe that francis is wagging the recruit. so, yeah, i think he ends up at um. that said, of course we should wait to hear his decision. sometime this upcoming season i'm sure i'll say that i think ud will win a game. similarly, we'll need to let them play the game.
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The coach is acting more like an agent than a mentor. No reason at all for him wag his tongue. It just shows that more than the recruit get caught up in the bright lights.
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Per the BBR via Corey Albertson, Moore committed to Oregon.
Obviously, Oregon either became involved at the last minute, or Oregon was involved earlier in the process.
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More on Moore. Sounds like Oregon got involved at the last minute. Moore's high school coach knew an Oregon coach who used to be a coach at UC.
http://cincinnati.com/blogs/recruiti...its-to-oregon/
Aiken senior combo guard Willie Moore committed to Oregon Friday morning on his visit to the campus, according to Aiken basketball coach Leon Ellison.
Moore, an Enquirer Divisions II-IV all-area selection this past season, averaged 16.8 points, 9.1 rebounds and four assists.
“He felt comfortable with the facilities, the staff, the academics,” Ellison said. “…It was just a good fit for him.”
Moore, who is 6 feet 3, also considered South Carolina, Virginia Tech and Tennessee Tech among his finalists, Ellison said.
Oregon offered Moore April 22 and the Ducks made a connection to Moore through Oregon assistant Tony Stubblefield, who was a UC assistant and the Bearcats recruiting coordinator from 2006-10, according to Ellison. Ellison has known Stubblefield since his days at UC.
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So much of this decision process is timing and connections. That's another reason why a dark-horse has a shot at recruits. It doesn't surprise me at all when a kid commits to a school that wasn't even on his final list. The longer thought process drags, the greater chance of something weird can occur. Would never have guessed Henton to Providence as an example. Something just clicks.
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Way too many here are attempting to villify Francis. If it doesn't go UD's way, move on. It's not the end of the world. Is Francis influencing him? Maybe? Does it really matter in the end? No, it shouldn't. Levert has a family and, ultimately, they are going to make a decision. There are people whispering in EVERY RECRUIT'S ear.
So...what happens if Maverick Morgan's dad makes a similar comment about OSU, Vandy, Minnesota, or USC as Francis has made about Iowa or UM? I guarantee there will be posters on here whining about how he is "trying to live vicariously through his kid". I can assure you that nothing is further from the truth.
Morgan will make a decision that is best for him. Levert will make a decision that is best for him. If either choose UD, great. If not, get over it and move on.
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i'm not sure that francis is being villified. i think he has a bias that may be personal to him and perhaps not in caris' best interest, but i haven't villified him. i simply believe that francis is in caris' ear at a level well above a whisper, and that he appears to have influence. in light of francis' bias, i see caris going to um. i don't like it and hope to be surprised.
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Kyle Wiltjer, a freshman who played significant minutes for Kentucky this past season, has competed internationally for Canada. His father was a member of the Canadian national basketball team in the 1984 Summer Olympics.
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Originally Posted by springborofan
Way too many here are attempting to villify Francis. If it doesn't go UD's way, move on. It's not the end of the world. Is Francis influencing him? Maybe? Does it really matter in the end? No, it shouldn't. Levert has a family and, ultimately, they are going to make a decision. There are people whispering in EVERY RECRUIT'S ear.
So...what happens if Maverick Morgan's dad makes a similar comment about OSU, Vandy, Minnesota, or USC as Francis has made about Iowa or UM? I guarantee there will be posters on here whining about how he is "trying to live vicariously through his kid". I can assure you that nothing is further from the truth.
Morgan will make a decision that is best for him. Levert will make a decision that is best for him. If either choose UD, great. If not, get over it and move on.
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If LeVert's Dad made comments similar to comments that Francis has made, that would be fine in my opinion. He's the Dad....not the coach. I don't believe Francis is trying to live vicariously throught LeVert, but he certainly enjoys the spotlight, and is getting a lot of attention from LeVert's recruiting saga. He reminds me of a politician.
18 y.o. kids can be influenced by a coach when making a college choice. If his coach favors a particular school and recommends the kid go there because it's a BCS school that will win a lot of games because it has a great coach and very good players, in my opinion the recruit is likely to choose that school in most cases. The only downside is that it will also be more difficult to get playing time.
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I doubt he was looking here or vice versa. We will not take 2 transfers unless we sign no one else for next year. He wanted to be closer to home. UD was not much closer than WK, and his other choices were.
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So much of this decision process is timing and connections. That's another reason why a dark-horse has a shot at recruits. It doesn't surprise me at all when a kid commits to a school that wasn't even on his final list. The longer thought process drags, the greater chance of something weird can occur. Would never have guessed Henton to Providence as an example. Something just clicks.
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recent eastern or western kentucky guard to UMass. wasn't even in his top 4 list awhile back.
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@GoodmanCBS : Dayton has landed Ohio State transfer Jordan Sibert, source told CBSSports.
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@GoodmanCBS : Dayton has landed Ohio State transfer Jordan Sibert, source told CBSSports.
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Good to hear - now we landed him twice!
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Good to hear - now we landed him twice!
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Two scholarships remaining and lots of possibilities. I would be happy getting taylor even if he cannot play until the following year. We have what we absolutely need for next season so banking two scholarships wouldn't be a terrible thing. But, I think we will sign at least one more player.
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http://www.daytondailynews.com/blogs...to_dayton.html
Sibert transfer seems to be official per Doug Harris.
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I'd take Taylor if he had to sit a year, but I would still want one more player who can play next year.
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Good input from Sibert. He sounds like a baller. A "do some of everything" player with court savvy. A would take as many Brooks Hall's as we could find.
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We have a bunch of guys with offers. I wonder how the conversations go when we have our sights set on someone like LeVert. Do guys know enough where they stand to not commit if we are going after someone else?
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We need another guard. Combo or pure SG, that can play this year. I will not be comfortable until that is the case. Banking one is fine, but we need a SG.
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We aren't desperate at guard next year. We have derenbecker and DMO who could fill in unless someone is out for an extended period. Getting another guard would be great but I wouldn't want to settle for someone without upside.
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I am going to throw out another name. Has anyone in the know heard anything about 6'8" forward Tyler Harris who is transferring from Archie's alma mater? He's another guy who was a highly regarded recruit coming out of high school (ESPN grade of 92) that didn't see much playing time. I have no evidence that Dayton is recruiting him, but Harris and Miller just started following each other on twitter. I find that a bit odd since Archie doesn't tweet and Harris doesn't follow other non-NC State head coaches. Harris has 3 years of eligibility remaining.
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I am going to throw out another name. Has anyone in the know heard anything about 6'8" forward Tyler Harris who is transferring from Archie's alma mater? He's another guy who was a highly regarded recruit coming out of high school (ESPN grade of 92) that didn't see much playing time. I have no evidence that Dayton is recruiting him, but Harris and Miller just started following each other on twitter. I find that a bit odd since Archie doesn't tweet and Harris doesn't follow other non-NC State head coaches. Harris has 3 years of eligibility remaining.
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if the Flyers don't get Pierre or Taylor who could be a nice option.
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I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult.
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I can't tell if that's a compliment or an insult.
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I'm good with it. I admit to searching current recruits names on twitter to see what the buzz is. I won't actually follow or tweet to any of these guys though, cause that's where I draw the line on being creepy. In this case, I actually stumbled on an NC State fan's tweet who noted that Harris and Miller had started following each other. I never would have connected those dots otherwise.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
I am going to throw out another name. Has anyone in the know heard anything about 6'8" forward Tyler Harris who is transferring from Archie's alma mater? He's another guy who was a highly regarded recruit coming out of high school (ESPN grade of 92) that didn't see much playing time. I have no evidence that Dayton is recruiting him, but Harris and Miller just started following each other on twitter. I find that a bit odd since Archie doesn't tweet and Harris doesn't follow other non-NC State head coaches. Harris has 3 years of eligibility remaining.
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His brother is Tobias Harris who spent one year at Tennessee and then went on to the NBA. Both went to Half Hollows HS West and were stars. Tobias was certainly the class of the family.
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
I'm good with it. I admit to searching current recruits names on twitter to see what the buzz is. I won't actually follow or tweet to any of these guys though, cause that's where I draw the line on being creepy. In this case, I actually stumbled on an NC State fan's tweet who noted that Harris and Miller had started following each other. I never would have connected those dots otherwise.
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It was a compliment. I usually end up with things I'd rather not know about regarding my kid's friends.
I admit to following Archie so this may be a stupid question but why does he have 1700+ followers if he doesn't ever tweet?
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To me it is evident that AM is not leaving any stone unturned. Will we miss on many of these that we contact, Yes. Will they come perhaps via the transfer route and have to sit out, Yes. Will the ones that come occasionally bust or not live up to our high expectations, Yes. If we were an elite BCS school perhaps we could write our own script. But as we are, we have to dig and fight for the Jimmies and Joes that will help us improve. As discussed in other threads, we do get the kind of athlete that we need for success. What we don't get is enough at any one time.
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I think, as fans, we will have to take a wait and see approach. We are getting transfers that would not have given us much of a look, or any look at all, during their high school recruitment. However, aside from Derenbecher, none of them have had any success at the collegiate level. Were they just overrated coming out of high school or were they just placed in the wrong system/underutilized? We will know a lot more after this year after we see what Vee does.
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The thing about these transfers is they have all had a chance to go through the "golden boy recruit" stage with a big program and they are at least a year older and wiser, and in some cases have had a dose of humility. Arch has been selective and these guys can hit the ground running. They have a more veteran feel to them.
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I think, as fans, we will have to take a wait and see approach. We are getting transfers that would not have given us much of a look, or any look at all, during their high school recruitment. However, aside from Derenbecher, none of them have had any success at the collegiate level. Were they just overrated coming out of high school or were they just placed in the wrong system/underutilized? We will know a lot more after this year after we see what Vee does.
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I'm very curious and optimistic about Vee - partly because Georgetown fans seemed to think he could still have become a very good player there. Of course, recent history with Mickey Perry is something many of us have in the backs of our minds. But, if memory serves, I think Wisconsin fans were largely indifferent when Mickey left in comparison to the Georgetown reaction over Vee's transfer.
With Sibert, I think it's a safe bet to assume it was some combination of an inflated rating, a bad fit and also injuries that led to his lack of production. When you have an injury, part of the recovery is getting your confidence back in your physical ability and to do that, you need playing time. Sibert didn't get it. So Matta's system (short bench) certainly did him no favors.
The reason I say the ratings for Sibert were inflated is because I just don't think it's possible for him to actually perform like a top 40 national recruit, 7th best shooting guard in his class nationally. He maybe could have developed into that player had things gone a little differently, but I don't think he could possibly live up to that billing now. And I don't think any Flyer fan is expecting that. That said, I think it's possible he could play like a top 150 guy, and be an awesome player for Dayton. I hope that's the case.
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I'm very curious and optimistic about Vee - partly because Georgetown fans seemed to think he could still have become a very good player there. Of course, recent history with Mickey Perry is something many of us have in the backs of our minds. But, if memory serves, I think Wisconsin fans were largely indifferent when Mickey left in comparison to the Georgetown reaction over Vee's transfer.
With Sibert, I think it's a safe bet to assume it was some combination of an inflated rating, a bad fit and also injuries that led to his lack of production. When you have an injury, part of the recovery is getting your confidence back in your physical ability and to do that, you need playing time. Sibert didn't get it. So Matta's system (short bench) certainly did him no favors.
The reason I say the ratings for Sibert were inflated is because I just don't think it's possible for him to actually perform like a top 40 national recruit, 7th best shooting guard in his class nationally. He maybe could have developed into that player had things gone a little differently, but I don't think he could possibly live up to that billing now. And I don't think any Flyer fan is expecting that. That said, I think it's possible he could play like a top 150 guy, and be an awesome player for Dayton. I hope that's the case.
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I think Mickey Perry could have done better with a different team/coach. Mickey was a shooter. A shooter needs to shoot and to shoot he needs to play some consecutive minutes. BG's system did not suit him. Vee will get more playing time with Archie. My bet is that it works out.
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With Sibert, I think it's a safe bet to assume it was some combination of an inflated rating, a bad fit and also injuries that led to his lack of production. When you have an injury, part of the recovery is getting your confidence back in your physical ability and to do that, you need playing time. Sibert didn't get it. So Matta's system (short bench) certainly did him no favors.
The reason I say the ratings for Sibert were inflated is because I just don't think it's possible for him to actually perform like a top 40 national recruit, 7th best shooting guard in his class nationally. He maybe could have developed into that player had things gone a little differently, but I don't think he could possibly live up to that billing now. And I don't think any Flyer fan is expecting that. That said, I think it's possible he could play like a top 150 guy, and be an awesome player for Dayton. I hope that's the case.
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Sibert's ratings were probably inflated as are any guard's ratings who is playing with a good big man. Sibert played at Columbus Northland with Sullinger and then AAU on All Ohio Red with Sullinger (and Staten, Weatherspoon ....).
I think he is a good complementary team player, but not the all-star that his high school ratings would make it seem. If we had 5 Jordan Siberts, UD would be a very good team. UD has to build a complementary team of good players without the draw of the one-and-done superstars.
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Sibert's ratings were probably inflated as are any guard's ratings who is playing with a good big man. Sibert played at Columbus Northland with Sullinger and then AAU on All Ohio Red with Sullinger (and Staten, Weatherspoon ....).
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Apparently you are right since 3 of them are heading for their second college already and that big man is turning pro.
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05-08-2012, 04:34 PM
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Steve Nash is taking over as GM of the Canadian men's national team. Dyshawn Pierre mentioned as one of the top talents.
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Originally Posted by Furio
Sibert played at Princeton High School.
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Oh sh.. you are right. Total brain fart. Crossing wires with both Jalen and Devon....
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05-08-2012, 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by DallasFlyer
I'm good with it. I admit to searching current recruits names on twitter to see what the buzz is. I won't actually follow or tweet to any of these guys though, cause that's where I draw the line on being creepy. In this case, I actually stumbled on an NC State fan's tweet who noted that Harris and Miller had started following each other. I never would have connected those dots otherwise.
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If you ever want to see who UD is recruiting, check out who Coach Kuwik is following on twitter. He seems to be the most "social media friendly" coach and follows any player UD is recruiting that is on twitter. Plus, he often follows those who are close family/friends/coaches of players UD is recruiting. For instance, his latest follow appears to be the girlfriend of LeVert. It may not seem like much to us, but for many high school kids getting as many followers as possible is a big deal so this can't hurt.
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Is that not stalking?
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05-09-2012, 11:48 AM
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I quoted UDDan's post in an old Sibert thread, but it sounds to me like there might be another recruit possibility - 7 footer, Jordan Dickerson. Since he's a recruit, I'll post here as well. He took an unofficial in June. Just received a qualifying test score. From Brookyn. Goes to IMG where Alex went. I assume Dayton is still interested? Some sources believe he's a future first round NBA draft pick. http://vuhoops.com/2012/05/09/recrui...dan-dickerson/
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It would be tough to turn down an athletic seven footer
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05-09-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by GoSteelers
Sibert's ratings were probably inflated as are any guard's ratings who is playing with a good big man. Sibert played at Columbus Northland with Sullinger and then AAU on All Ohio Red with Sullinger (and Staten, Weatherspoon ....).
I think he is a good complementary team player, but not the all-star that his high school ratings would make it seem. If we had 5 Jordan Siberts, UD would be a very good team. UD has to build a complementary team of good players without the draw of the one-and-done superstars.
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That's a negative.....He played at Princeton and if you saw him actually play you'd never assume that...Kid was a stud both before and after the broken leg....Jumped out of the gym, good handle, fast, shoot deep, etc..
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Originally Posted by steve
That's a negative.....He played at Princeton and if you saw him actually play you'd never assume that...Kid was a stud both before and after the broken leg....Jumped out of the gym, good handle, fast, shoot deep, etc..
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Not saying that he couldn't play. He certainly has skills. I am just saying that his rating may have been inflated due to his AAU play on a fantastic team. If you saw him play in high school, would you have given him that high of a rating?
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If he rating was inflated it was likely due to a commitment to tOSU.
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Here comes the 1 1/2 year debate on how good Sibert is until we actually see him on the floor as a flyer. Maybe it deserves it's own thread now that he is no longer a 'recruit'.
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Originally Posted by Gilchrist's Autograph 2
Here comes the 1 1/2 year debate on how good Sibert is until we actually see him on the floor as a flyer. Maybe it deserves it's own thread now that he is no longer a 'recruit'.
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I would think that we will see him at the Red and Blue game this year, and then the speculation will go full throttle.
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Originally Posted by GoSteelers
Not saying that he couldn't play. He certainly has skills. I am just saying that his rating may have been inflated due to his AAU play on a fantastic team. If you saw him play in high school, would you have given him that high of a rating?
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Most definitely would have....I saw him play from soph. year on and he was an above-the-radar player then and a rather highly ranked underclassman as well. I agree that many high rankings are based on some real outlandish information. Today, kids get ranked in S&S magazine as early as in 8th grade and many get ranked just because they commit to a high profile school at a young age but really don't get much better, so there's certainly a degree of nostalgia/old information that might remain front and center, but I thought he was a fantastic player in HS and athlete.
What really gets parlayed too much,by many, is just how a kid might turn out in college after just 2 years. OSU is known to play a short bench under Motta and has been so the "bench warmer/3 mpg" player gets stamped on a kid. The way I look at it is Seibert was coveted by one of the great programs in the country, almost always a top 5 team, and by a coach that is regarded as a top 2-3 recruiter who had years to watch and measure the kid..
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Dyshawn Pierre making his choice this weekend via his twitter:
Dyshawn Pierre @DyshawnPierre
Making my decision this weekend
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Assuming LeVert is going to Michigan, I would be happy to get Pierre or Brzoja, and then Dickerson would be gravy.
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