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found this article on Camryn leaving the UK staff.

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/colle...e74199257.html
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then I found this about her being hired as the new coach at NKU.

http://www.nkunorse.com/news/2016/5/...ead-coach.aspx

All this made me wonder what is going on at UK. Zero assistant coaches and only seven players.
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Somewhat dated but still some good insight here -- Mitchell even mentions current Flyer assistant coach Jeff House.

http://www.kentucky.com/sports/colle...e74179052.html
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I'd like to think this was exaggerated but you never know these days....




Behind Closed Doors: Abuse In Northern Kentucky University Women's Basketball Program

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Cant draw any conclusions with one side of the narration. I take it seriously and digest it, but thats as far as I can take it until the other side has their day in court.

I do tend to believe that coaches that constantly have to yell at players to get them to do what they want are not great communicators. I tuned out every coach that yelled at me. I just thought they were adult babies. If I need to do something different, just tell me. Im mature enough to handle intel and apply it because I want to please you as my coach. Not that I couldnt withstand the yelling, I just thought it was juvenile and odd that I was the one acting like the adult in the room. I admit some kids dont respond to simple communication and unless you crack the whip the mule wont move. I was not one of those kinds of kids. Tell me to move or move faster and I would. I respected you even more for not using the whip on me, which made me even more eager to listen and please you. The trust you had in me to do what you said simply by asking or telling me went far with me.
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I seriously doubt this is made up. I’d suspend this vulture with pay while an investigation is done. This is how I’m treated at my workplace so I side with the author.

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NKU says they have "addressed" the issue.

https://www.wvxu.org/post/nku-aware-...coach#stream/0
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WOW and coming from a parent this substantiates things quite a bit. If the "evil vulture" could get jail time I root for it, it's not enough to bar her from coaching again and to throw the "Deaf Ears" AD out.
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I think we all just learned something from the Mueller investigation. Let's not lock her up and throw away the key without some due process
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Due process is fine then lock her up. And anyone who did nothing about it at NKU lock them up as well. Problem is proving it since much was behind closed doors. Still she can not be around student athletes at this point.
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Christy Macioce defended her on Twitter. Says she was a great coach and never crossed any forbidden lines.

Like I said. Need more intel. Both experiences could be correct. Or, just correct through their own filter.
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Oh please, there is a huge difference between being an assistant or being the head ciach. As assistant she has to follow someone else's rules. As head coach she sets the rules.

I'm sure she was fine at UD. Power has been known to change people. To be honest the tales out of NKU don't fit the person we all got to know, but situations and circumstances do change sometimes for the better sometimes not.
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Christy Macioce defended her on Twitter. Says she was a great coach and never crossed any forbidden lines.

Like I said. Need more intel. Both experiences could be correct. Or, just correct through their own filter.
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Camryn was probably good in the assistant role. Head coach brings much more pressure and it doesn't seem she knows how to handle it. I am happy she had accepted the NKU position (May 2016) before ours opened up (Set. 2016). I don't know, but she may have been considered otherwise.
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This is why they need do due process. In doing so they will be able to determine if it's sour grapes by one or two individuals or if there is more to the reports.

Apparently this went public because neithere the AD or title1X did anything about it. If so it's sad to air something that could cause damage to a coaches image. So the the U according to report had the power to keep it in house.

As it stands it's not good for the U, the coach or the player. Interviewing each player and assistants needs to be conducted to get to the truth.
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A good rule to follow is never do an interview alone, have someone present. Back in the day when we interviewed we used the same room for all interviews. The room had a camera in each corner with sound. Our process required 3 interviews with 3 different interviewers/evaluators. Always protect yourself and expect the unexpected.
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Looks like this is a "thing" now.

https://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-dismisses-joseph/
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Winning 11 games may be a contributing factor.
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Wining 11 games could be result of players not buying into her rules and or behavior. As mom always said it will come out in the wash.
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Looks like this is a "thing" now.

https://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-dismisses-joseph/
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If you recall when Dayton played them in the Bahamas she went nuts with two technicals and was ejected. I’d like to think her record had nothing to do with this.
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So tell me this how can nku keep her she is toxic and can no longer recruit. Doesn’t matter what the investigation shows.
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I know none of the facts and I bet no-one here does either.

Condemn all you want.
As we saw in the Muller Investigation let us have our collective bias take over.

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I would never compare alleged cruelty of student athletes to alleged political corruption. Just because Christy said glowing things about Whitaker in a tweet doesn't exonerate her. As noted above, her methods becoming head coach could change drastically.
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I know none of the facts and I bet no-one here does either.

Condemn all you want.
As we saw in the Muller Investigation let us have our collective bias take over.

Just be glad no one has laid any claims on you ........................ yet!
Exactly, we could throw in the fiasco in Chicago with the false attack. Easy to damage someones rep.. Claim may be true or not, but one thing is certain, jumping to conclusions is an olympic sport on the interent.
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Tennessee fires head coach. (not suggesting it was about abuse )

https://247sports.com/college/tennes...alz-130585683/

After Tennessee’s season-ending loss to UCLA in the first round of the NCAA Tournament this year, point guard Evina Westbrook was very candid about whether changes to the coaching staff were needed.

“Most definitely,” Westbrook said. “I just think off the court stuff. Steps need to be taken with our staff and just overall off the court with this team.”
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UT fans have wanted Warlick fired from day one -- never easy to follow a legend.
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Looks like this is a "thing" now.

https://ramblinwreck.com/georgia-tech-dismisses-joseph/
For what it's worth, here are the ugly details of the GT investigation.

https://media-beta.wsbtv.com/documen...457_ver1.0.pdf

And here is the coach's response:

https://www.kmblegal.com/sites/defau...edacted%29.pdf

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As I said, two sides to every story. Two possible double standards here: female coaches are not allowed to be as vulgar, tough, and direct as men. And female athletes are presumed to be unwilling or unable to handle similar coaching as men and need a softer paddle.

We'll never know the full truth from these reports, allegations, and coaching dismissals. Impossible to pass judgment when I dont have all the facts.
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Also if it were a male coach title IX would have been all over it. Apparently go softly on female coaches.
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So as this discussion goes around and around two fold question here:
1) At this point, should Whitaker have access to ANY student athletes or should she be suspended with pay during the investigation?
2) If you are a parent would you still have your daughter consider NKU?
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I pose these questions because some previous posts suggest these are "made up" allegations or sour grape allegations and yes it may be difficult to prove the allegations to be true, doubting their claims is quite sad.
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To do it properly they should follow GT lead an hire independent counsel to interview all players and coaches.

What happened in closed door sessions may be hard to proved but the fact she told the players not to associate with a particular player is a red flag and smoking gun.

There is definitely something there, to what degree needs further investigation
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To add to that she shouldn't be allowed on the NKU campus.
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Eight players signed it, meaning seven players dudnt. Interesting. The U should have had an independent counsel investigate like GT did. Don't think anything got solved really. So 8 players will see playing time, the others ?
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Eight players signed it, meaning seven players dudnt. Interesting. The U should have had an independent counsel investigate like GT did. Don't think anything got solved really. So 8 players will see playing time, the others ?
Their website shows only a 13 player roster, and of those 13, 2 were on the news as making complaints. So really 8 of 11 signed the latest manifesto. Not sure that means anything, but in a situation like this, accuracy is important.

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Ok then that's 5 that didn't support the coach. 2 on news and 3 that chose not to sign. We don't know where they stand. That's why you have 3rd party do the investigation.

What us significant is 3 chose not to support her. Could mean something or not.

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Remember a lot of this happened behind closed doors so many if not all of the eight saw nothing. This article means nothing.
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The second article means just as much as the first one. Without an independent investigation and review of the entire womens program, the real truth may not ever be known.

Bottom line, don't cast stones until all sides have been heard from and each fact properly evaluated.
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Unfortunately by not allowing an independent investigation this keeps a cloud over Whitaker the players the program and the school. Lack of transparency as the school conducted it's own investigation with no findings to validate claims or vindicate the coach. Such cloud could affect recruiting and or team chemistry as 8 feel one way, 2 feel the other and 3 just present.
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UNC has placed it's entire coaching staff on paid leave to conduct an investigation of its women's basketball program. Reasons are sketchy at this point. Seems there us more smoke regarding female head coaches. Never seen this much ado over coaching staffs for women's basketball

Perhaps she/they were forcing players to attend classes.

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'I now understand why college athletes commit suicide,’ ex-NKU basketball player says.

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Posted tonight. NKU going to pay for outside investigation.

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Posted tonight. NKU going to pay for outside investigation.

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Seems like a epidemic with all the reports coming forth. Good for NKU for finally realizing they have to get to the bottom of these alligations to clear the air one way or the other.
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The entire coaching staff on leave? That's interesting.
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One of the alleged complaints: 'Lack of quality coaching' -- LOL!

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On the surface yes this one seems awfully week especially when you look at her credentials...
Hatchell, a 2013 Hall of Fame inductee, is the winningest women's basketball coach in Atlantic Coast Conference history. She has a career record of 1,023-405 and is 751-325 mark in 33 years at UNC with a national title in 1994.

Hatchell became the third women's coach in Division I with 1,000 career victories in 2017, made her 23rd career NCAA Tournament appearance last month and is the only coach with national championships at three levels -- AIAW, NAIA and NCAA.

She was diagnosed with leukemia in 2013, underwent chemotherapy through March 2014 and returned the following season to lead the Tar Heels to a 26-9 finish.
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What the heck is going on in women's college basketball. It appears that the disgruntled are out to cry and complain about their perception of mistreatment. A very sad time, when they attack the likes of Coach Hatchell. Good coaching involves giving honest feedback to your players and being the team boss. If this is true abuse, then let the heads roll, but if this is some immature kids not being able to take coaching, then clean house and start over.
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I will say I wouldn't compare the cases of NC and NKU at this point.
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Geno had this to say which I think is pure crap - coaches are not "afraid" of their players, nonsense

"The majority of coaches in America are afraid of their players," Auriemma said. "The NCAA, the athletic directors and society has made them afraid of their players. Every article you read: 'This guy's a bully. This woman's a bully. This guy went over the line. This woman was inappropriate.'


"Yet the players get off scot-free in everything. They can do whatever they want. They don't like something you say to them, they transfer. Coaches, they have to coach with one hand behind their back. Why? Because some people have abused the role of a coach."
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Geno had this to say which I think is pure crap - coaches are not "afraid" of their players, nonsense

"The majority of coaches in America are afraid of their players," Auriemma said. "The NCAA, the athletic directors and society has made them afraid of their players. Every article you read: 'This guy's a bully. This woman's a bully. This guy went over the line. This woman was inappropriate.'


"Yet the players get off scot-free in everything. They can do whatever they want. They don't like something you say to them, they transfer. Coaches, they have to coach with one hand behind their back. Why? Because some people have abused the role of a coach."
You and I can second guess the all time best coach in women's basketball, but he is experiencing it and talks to other coaches. If he says it, take it to the bank.
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The Dayton Daily News FINALLY posted a story about this with Macioce's comments - talk about coming in late on a story.

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Geno needed to hear the allegations against Hatchell before making his inane comments - mentioning tree and noose, playing athletes who were hurt. These are serious!
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Geno needed to hear the allegations against Hatchell before making his inane comments - mentioning tree and noose, playing athletes who were hurt. These are serious!
What does Hatchell have to do with the comments Geno made, other than by association, as she is a coach. He never mentioned her name in what was quoted on this post. He is making an entirely different point about many coaches being scared of what players are saying and the way they push back and transfer.

"Connecticut coach Geno Auriemma told reporters this week that coaches have become afraid of upsetting players in fear that they will transfer.

“The NCAA, the athletic directors and society has made them afraid of their players,” he said, according to ESPN. “Every article you read: ‘This guy’s a bully. This woman’s a bully. This guy went over the line. This woman was inappropriate.’

“Yet the players get off Scot-free in everything.”
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Association yes, he heard a prominent coach has allegations against her and he started in with the players are in control blah blah blah. His last line above is equally inane that the players get off scot-free in everything. What the hell does that mean?
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One of the local news stations down here, the most liberal of the three, who is all about grievances, interviewed three of Coach Hatchell's star black former players. The bottom line is the players said the charges are ridiculous. They said they never saw or heard any suggestion of playing hurt or anything racial. One lady said the most hateful ridiculous thing was to say that Hatchell had an ounce prejudice in her. She said Coach was like a mother to all of us. The three played over a period of 10 years, and are/were WNBA players.
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Sylvia Hatchell resigned at UNC. I doubt we will ever know the truth about the accusations, but we could hear her singing "Take this job and shove it" as she walked out. Not a way to treat a legend, who gave 33 years to the program, including fighting through cancer. Lately, the very vocal complaining minority has had a huge negative influence on that school... sad.
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UNC wanted her gone. Didn't have to fire her.
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External review finds abuse allegations against WBB coach ‘unfounded’

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Good to hear, but these cry babies have done damage to this coach's and the school's reputation, and will walk away with no consequence for what they did.
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So Barney, you going to back off your comments?

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Just because the "investigation" bears no blame onto Whitaker doesn't mean NOTHING happened. Please note, a lot of the alleged mistreatment occurred behind closed doors in her office and can't be proven in an "investigation." I just hope Whitaker has learned a lesson to treat the student athletes better than they have been treated.
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Originally Posted by Barney Sentner View Post
Just because the "investigation" bears no blame onto Whitaker doesn't mean NOTHING happened. Please note, a lot of the alleged mistreatment occurred behind closed doors in her office and can't be proven in an "investigation." I just hope Whitaker has learned a lesson to treat the student athletes better than they have been treated.
So even if the allegations were "unfounded' she is still guilty. Sounds an awfully lot like one of our political parties, which shall remain unnamed.
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I didn't say if the allegations were unfounded she's still guilty but we still can't be sure there wasn't some truth to them.
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