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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
Are you suggesting X should have fouled, rather than give up an open three?
I am suggesting that they should have guarded against any 3 more aggressively. I watched the highlight, Baldwin just dribbled down the court and drained the 3, almost no effort to stop him. Bad coaching. OT should have been the worst case scenario, even if you give up a layup, you still do not lose in regulation.

I've seen other teams lose like this also, makes no sense to me to lose like that.

I am also a proponent of fouling on purpose when leading by 3 with only a small number of seconds remaining.

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We are a much better team than the Flyers were in Maui. I know, we launched a super season there. But we had no idea that Georgia would have 16 losses, and Virginia Tech would have 15 losses. Tack on Colorado's 10 losses and it shows at that place and time we actually had to kiss a few frogs to get where we are today. All 3 of them are looking at more losses before it is over. Fools gold.
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Colorado not doing us any favors. They seem to only show up two out of every three games.
We don't need favors from the Buffs. For once how our opponents do is not a big factor. We built our resume on our own. Normally we would be concerned about SOS and opponent records, but not this year, feels good.
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Here's the Baldwin shot.

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I’ve watched it several times. The guy from Butler sets a very good (effective), yet very questionable screen to get Baldwin a pretty good look. I’m not a Steele fan, but I find it difficult to pin this on poor coaching.
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I’ve watched it several times. The guy from Butler sets a very good (effective), yet very questionable screen to get Baldwin a pretty good look. I’m not a Steele fan, but I find it difficult to pin this on poor coaching.
I have complete disdain for Norwood, but I must say that this was a moving screen. He literally bulled over the defender. I watched the actual game and I agree, they should have pressured Baldwin much more in the back court.
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I have complete disdain for Norwood, but I must say that this was a moving screen. He literally bulled over the defender. I watched the actual game and I agree, they should have pressured Baldwin much more in the back court.
Which makes it all the sweeter
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Originally Posted by SLUFLYER View Post
I’ve watched it several times. The guy from Butler sets a very good (effective), yet very questionable screen to get Baldwin a pretty good look. I’m not a Steele fan, but I find it difficult to pin this on poor coaching.
It never should have been that close, I have seen other teams defend this play the same way, and I disagree with the strategy. They should have double-teamed Baldwin, he had 36 points, and they should have been running everybody else off the 3 point line/overplay the 3 point line/over-defend the 3 point line. If you give up a layup and go to ot as a result, then so be it.

You could see the Butler ball screener coming from a mile away too, the play was totally telegraphed.

At least with SLU, we didn't need the 3, only a 2, so SLU had to defend everything and couldn't afford to run Crutcher off the 3 point line.

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A moving screen no doubter. The screener never stopped.
No, I thought the screen was legit. Nothing illegal there imo. Rollo? The Butler screener set the screen and then moved to his right, nothing illegal there imo.
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The initial screen was good. For the continuation, I would have expected to see a Caterpillar logo on his backside.
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Wow - the Horizon League is bad. I used to think of them as a mid-major conference, but with those numbers they look like a low-major conference. Every team but 2 has at least 15 losses.

I use mid-major to mean conferences outside the main football conferences + Big East, but that regularly (not necessarily every year) put more than one team in the NCAA tournament. A-10, MWC, WCC, MVC might be the only ones left to fit that definition. The AAC maybe belongs in that category, too. They play football, but seems like the AAC is usually rated more like those 4 conferences than they are like the other power conferences. I used to include some others in that definition: CUSA (but all their good teams went to the AAC), Horizon (but nobody's left there either), and MAC (who probably still qualify but barely). I'd call the rest of the conferences (the one-bid conferences) low-major.
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Tomorrow's Summit League championship looks to be an intrastate match-up: North Dakota vs North Dakota State.
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Nice win for St. Marys over BYU. Hope they can repeat it tomorrow night over the zags.
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Scores for Monday, March 9

A-10 scores:
No A-10 games scheduled

Flyer's OOC opponents:
Saint Mary's (26-7) 51 @ #14 BYU (24-8) 50
→ WCC tournament semifinal

Other games
Ranked teams:
San Francisco (22-12) 77 @ #2 Gonzaga (30-2) 81
→ WCC tournament semifinal

On the bubble:
Wofford (19-16) 58 @ East Tennessee State (30-4) 72
→ SoCon tournament final - ETSU wins the SoCon autobid

Local interest:
UIC (18-16) 73 @ Wright State (25-7) 56
→ Horizon League tournament semifinal - congrats to Wright State on a Horizon League regular season title and NIT autobid


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Wofford (19-16) 58 @ East Tennessee State (30-4) 72
→ SoCon tournament final - ETSU wins the SoCon autobid
We should maybe look at ETSU for a home and home, q1 road game or q2 home game 3 out of the last 5 years.

ETSU rpi last 5 years starting with this year...23, 68, 92, 55, 86...assuming the rpi and net are roughly similar

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Belmont would be another good option, they are lead by sophomores primarily, so they should be pretty good the next 2 seasons, would get Crutcher kind of close to home (or at least closer, I'm guessing its about 2 hours from home to Nashville for his family?)
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The Ivy League cancelled their conference tourney due to the coronavirus, the regular season champ Yale gets the auto-bid. Very unfair to the other teams.
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The Ivy League cancelled their conference tourney due to the coronavirus, the regular season champ Yale gets the auto-bid. Very unfair to the other teams.

The Ivy League used to always give their auto-bid to the regular season champ.
They're used to it.

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The Ivy League used to always give their auto-bid to the regular season champ.
They're used to it.

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I am suggesting that they should have guarded against any 3 more aggressively. I watched the highlight, Baldwin just dribbled down the court and drained the 3, almost no effort to stop him. Bad coaching. OT should have been the worst case scenario, even if you give up a layup, you still do not lose in regulation.

I've seen other teams lose like this also, makes no sense to me to lose like that.

I am also a proponent of fouling on purpose when leading by 3 with only a small number of seconds remaining.
Defender needed to pick him up at half court. NO DOUBT
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I hear the A10 tournament is not going to let fans in . . . but since no one shows up, no one actually noticed.
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Scores for Tuesday, March 10

A-10 scores:
No A-10 games scheduled

Flyer's OOC opponents:
Saint Mary's (26-8) 66 @ #2 Gonzaga (31-2) 84
→ WCC tournament final - #2 Gonzaga wins the WCC autobid
North Carolina (14-18) 78 @ Virginia Tech (16-16) 56
→ ACC tournament - first round
Grambling (17-15) 62 @ Texas Southern (16-16) 75
→ SWAC tournament - quarterfinal

Other scores:
Northeastern (17-16) 61 @ Hofstra (26-8) 70
→ Colonial Athletic tournament final - Hofstra wins the Colonial autobid
North Dakota (15-18) 53 @ North Dakota State (25-8) 89
→ Summit League tournament final - ND State wins the Summit League autobid
Saint Francis (PA) (22-10) 67 @ Robert Morris (20-14) 77
→ Northeast Conference tournament final - Robert Morris wins the NEC autobid
UIC (18-17) 62 @ Northern Kentucky (23-9) 71
→ Horizon League tournament final - Northern Kentucky wins the Horizon League autobid
Yale (23-7) will receive the Ivy League autobid - conference tournament cancelled


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Watched the first half of zags/smu. Went to bed with SMU up 1 (right before the half), was 100% confident gonazaga had it in the bag. SMU had two guys hitting miracle shots while the zags were sleeping and they still barely had a lead.

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Northern KY in the tourney again. Is that like three times since they went D1? Forget Wright State, we should play them in a buy game.
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Northern KY in the tourney again. Is that like three times since they went D1? Forget Wright State, we should play them in a buy game.
Last time I computed a few parameters using the NCAA NET was for games up to Feb 29 2020. AT that time the average NET for the Horizon League was a 238!!!

It will be a one bid conference for the foreseeable future with those kind of numbers. That is WSu's major hurtle in that league; lose the Championship and no matter what you are going the NIT route.

It also doesn't help that the schools in the Horizon played 15 games against none-D1 competition. All wins BTW.
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Last time I computed a few parameters using the NCAA NET was for games up to Feb 29 2020. AT that time the average NET for the Horizon League was a 238!!!

It will be a one bid conference for the foreseeable future with those kind of numbers. That is WSu's major hurtle in that league; lose the Championship and no matter what you are going the NIT route.

It also doesn't help that the schools in the Horizon played 15 games against none-D1 competition. All wins BTW.
My guess is Northern Kentucky will be the next team to leave the Horizon League. They are investing in facilities and having success. Wouldn't mind seeing them in the A10 in a few years.
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Geez they’re making Fordham look like Dayton
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Geez they’re making Fordham look like Dayton
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This has been the pattern of the other 13 teams in the A10. Shoot their wad against the highly ranked Flyers and then have no heart left for their next opponent. And what's worse, is they show the same ineptness the game before they play us. I will be happy if none of them get invited to the dance, if indeed there is one, because their philosophy of only giving us a good game while sucking against their other opponents has made it harder for us to secure the one seed we should have secured a long time ago.

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This has been the pattern of the other 13 teams in the A10. Shoot their wad against the highly ranked Flyers and then have no heart left for their next opponent. And what's worse, is they show the same ineptness the game before they play us. I will be happy if none of them get invited to the dance, if indeed there is one, because their philosophy of only giving us a good game while sucking against their other opponents has made it harder for us to secure the one seed we should have secured a long time ago.
I’m not sure I follow your logic. We didn’t lose a single game to A10 opponents and outperformed analytics predictions most times.
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Xavier going down, looks like they might miss the tournament... assuming we have one.
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Fox Sports saying that eggzavier is out. The only good news on a day of horrible news for Flyer fans.
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Nebraska hc Fred Hoiberg did not finish tonight's game and was taken to the hospital...ugh, he could have the virus too...could lead to the cancellation of the NCAAT imo.

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Hoiberg told IU's radio announcer he couldn't do a pregame interview because he had a temperature of 100 degrees. Why was he coaching the game? F'ing irresponsible.

If the team is cancelled, I wonder if the NCAA would still release the bracket, just to see how everybody would have been seeded? At least we could see UD as a number 1 seed, if only on paper.
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My guess is Northern Kentucky will be the next team to leave the Horizon League. They are investing in facilities and having success. Wouldn't mind seeing them in the A10 in a few years.
Where are they going to go? There is nowhere feasible to go. The MVC is not looking to expand as far as I am aware. NKU is stuck in the HL imo. Their best course of action is to make the HL better via smart expansion.

Edit: I suppose the A10 could work. Murray State and Belmont are better options though imo.

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Scores for Wednesday, March 11

I don't know how many more updates we will have

A-10 scores:
Saint Joe's (6-26) 70 @ George Mason (17-15) 77
→ A-10 tournament - first round
Fordham (9-22) 72 @ George Washington (12-20) 52
→ A-10 tournament - first round

Flyer's OOC opponents:
Georgia (16-16) 81 @ Ole Miss (15-17) 63
→ SEC tournament - first round
Washington State (16-16) 82 @ Colorado (21-12) 68 - what happened to Colorado?
→ PAC-12 tournament - first round

Other games:
Pittsburgh (16-17) 58 @ NC State (20-12) 73
→ ACC tournament - second round

On the bubble:
DePaul (16-16) 71 @ Xavier (19-13) 67 ↓
→ Big East tournament - first round
Saint John's (17-15) 75 @ Georgetown (15-17) 62 ↓
→ Big East tournament - first round
California (14-18) 63 @ Stanford (20-12) 51 ↓
→ PAC-12 tournament - first round
Nebraska (7-25) 64 @ Indiana (20-12) 89 ↑
→ Big Ten tournament - first round
Boston University (21-13) 64 @ Colgate (25-9) 61
→ Patriot League tournament final - BU wins the Patriot League autobid


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Scores for Thursday, March 12

And that's a wrap, barring the NCAAT being rescheduled

A-10 tournament: cancelled
VCU (18-13) @ UMass (14-17)
George Mason (17-15) @ St Bonaventure (19-12
La Salle (15-15) @ Davidson (16-14)
Fordham (9-22) @ Duquesne (21-9)

Flyer's OOC opponents:
Oklahoma State (18-14) @ #1 Kansas (28-3)
→ Big 12 tournament - cancelled
Florida Atlantic (17-15) @ North Texas (20-11)
→ C-USA tournament - cancelled

Top 25:
Clemson (16-15) @ #4 Florida State (26-5)
→ ACC tournament - cancelled
Kansas State (11-21) @ #5 Baylor (26-4)
→ Big 12 tournament - cancelled
Saint John's (17-15) @ #7 Creighton (24-7)
→ Big East tournament - cancelled
NC State (20-12) @ #10 Duke (25-6)
→ ACC tournament - cancelled
DePaul (16-16) @ #11 Villanova (24-7)
→ Big East tournament - cancelled
Oregon State(18-13) @ #13 Oregon (24-7)
→ PAC-12 tournament - cancelled
Syracuse (18-14) @ #15 Louisville (24-7)
→ ACC tournament - cancelled
Marquette (18-12) @ #16 Seton Hall (21-9)
→ Big East tournament - cancelled
Notre Dame (20-12) @ #17 Virginia (23-7)
→ ACC tournament - cancelled
Purdue (16-15) @ #19 Ohio State
→ Big Ten tournament - cancelled
#22 West Virginia (21-10) @ Oklahoma (19-12)
→ Big 12 tournament - cancelled
#24 Butler (22-9) @ Providence (19-12)
→ Big East tournament - cancelled
Minnesota (15-16) @ #25 Iowa (20-11)
→ Big Ten tournament - cancelled

On the bubble:
California (14-18) @ UCLA (19-12)
→ PAC-12 tournament - cancelled
Indiana (20-12) @ Penn State (21-10)
→ Big Ten tournament - cancelled
Texas Tech (18-13) @ Texas (19-12)
→ Big 12 tournament - cancelled
Michigan (19-12) @ Rutgers (20-11)
→ Big Ten tournament - cancelled
Chicago State (4-25) @ New Mexico State (25-6)
→ WAC tournament - cancelled

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I need to find a way to archive that broadcast. The wife and I were going to follow the team to Cleveland, so she willingly stayed home last Saturday, to allow my daughter and son-in-law to attend the game with me on my birthday. Her consolation prize was a night of uninterrupted time with our infant grandson, while they watched the game on ESPN+.
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Just a shout-out to Glen for maintaining the "Games of Note" thread this season. It's always a must-read as the season progresses. Much appreciated!
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My son had not been able to watch the Obi sequence yet, I popped it on for him last night. Always fun to see an 11 year old kid have his mind blown. Thanks for the memories Obi, I'm not deleting that one anytime soon either.
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Maybe this should be the last post for Games of note 2019-2020 edition:

The official non-official NCAA Championship Games.
Supposedly @SportsLine took @jppalmCBS’s final projected NCAA Tournament bracket and simulated the games. Here are the results:

FINAL FOUR: Duke vs. Dayton, Florida State vs. Gonzaga.

TITLE GAME: Dayton vs. Gonzaga

CHAMPION: Dayton

https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/s...56915480502275


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I just want to second this. I appreciate the time and effort Glen puts into for this informative thread. Always the first place I go to when visiting the site during the season. Thank you.
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Wow, did not expect that.

Flyers 97- UMass 52.
Obi with a triple double.
34 assists by our Flyers, yes 34
7 Flyers in double digits, led by Jordy with 17.
On to tomorrow and the A-10 Semi Finals
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Tattoo??

Originally Posted by NJFlyr71 View Post
Maybe this should be the last post for Games of note 2019-2020 edition:

The official non-official NCAA Championship Games.
Supposedly @SportsLine took @jppalmCBS’s final projected NCAA Tournament bracket and simulated the games. Here are the results:

FINAL FOUR: Duke vs. Dayton, Florida State vs. Gonzaga.

TITLE GAME: Dayton vs. Gonzaga

CHAMPION: Dayton

https://twitter.com/GaryParrishCBS/s...56915480502275


Does this mean I'm still on the hook to get a UD tattoo??
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Does this mean I'm still on the hook to get a UD tattoo??
A face tattoo of that bracket.
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