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He took off "Dayton commit" on Instagram account.
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His team just lost in the state championship. Finds out Archie is moving on. A lot for a young man to digest. We will find out soon if these guys are bought into the program or just Archie.
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as hard as he is taking this I would not doubt one bit if he's headed to Bloomington as long as Archie has an extra ship available
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Originally Posted by steve
as hard as he is taking this I would not doubt one bit if he's headed to Bloomington as long as Archie has an extra ship available
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Would be odd for a kid to follow a coach who just dropped a bombshell on him right before a state championship game. Highly doubt he goes to IU. Remember, Ostrom was the driving force behind his committment.
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Originally Posted by TA111
Would be odd for a kid to follow a coach who just dropped a bombshell on him right before a state championship game. Highly doubt he goes to IU. Remember, Ostrom was the driving force behind his committment.
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Lol. Archie did not drop a bombshell on him. The announcement by Indiana was the bombshell. If AM stayed at UD and Ostrom left for another gig we would not be having this thread as Wright would be at UD 100% next season. Right or wrong, as a kid should commit to a school first versus a coach, the kid wanted to, and may still want to, play for Miller.
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Originally Posted by UD90
His team just lost in the state championship. Finds out Archie is moving on. A lot for a young man to digest. We will find out soon if these guys are bought into the program or just Archie.
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Exactly.
And remember the golden rule. Don't tweet recruits!!!!!!!!
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He sounds pretty distraught on his twitter account, feel bad for the kid. Has to be a tough process going through recruiting as you just can't always trust what coaches tell you.
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I would love to see him in a Flyer uniform this winter. McKinley, the door is still wide open, and the Welcome Mat is still out. But if you were sold on being an Archie Miller player and not a UD Flyer, then all I can say is, we still want you even if Archie no longer wants us.
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good luck mckinley. we still hope you are a flyer but know this is quite a bomb shell
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I worked for a company for a while and when I came to work one day I had new business cards on my desk. We had been sold (to a public company, which is why they could not tell us in advance).
I was happy working there and liked the people. The office was not moving and I still had my private office. My day to day would change somewhat with new software, CRM, processes, etc. Management probably would change somewhat. A lot would stay the same, a lot of unknowns remain.
The best thing I did was completely reevaluate everything and how it weighed with the competition. If my environment was going to change, I needed to take a step back and make sure that I wanted to change with it.
If I were a recruit, I would do the same. UD is a special place. Let's hope that when the analysis is done they will come to the right conclusion and stay a Flyer. But the sooner we name a quality coach, the better.
For me, after much back and forth it was still to many unknowns to overcome. I moved to a different company where I remained now for the last six years.
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This is a big decision in the lives of these kids. Yes...they are kids.
Current players and incoming recruits all have the right to evaluate their options as new information comes to them. I would question their decision making if they didn't at least sit back and think about it.
I think they are all being very mature for their age. Yes, they are tweeting and removing UD references from their social media. However almost all of them have publicly stated their intent to wait and see. Gather more information and make a choice.
In the meantime they are all part of the Flyer Family. Part of what they were sold on was a great fan base. Let's live up to our end of the bargain and show them the support they need right now. And no - that doesn't mean you should tweet them or attempt to contact them in any way. But we can start by treating them like the family they are instead of assuming they are all leaving.
If any of them decide to leave - I would hope we all show them respect when the time comes.
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I think they should add KD as a grad assitant for next year. In the mean time he might be able to make the incoming commits more comfortable in staying.
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Originally Posted by MNFats
This is a big decision in the lives of these kids. Yes...they are kids.
Current players and incoming recruits all have the right to evaluate their options as new information comes to them. I would question their decision making if they didn't at least sit back and think about it.
I think they are all being very mature for their age. Yes, they are tweeting and removing UD references from their social media. However almost all of them have publicly stated their intent to wait and see. Gather more information and make a choice.
In the meantime they are all part of the Flyer Family. Part of what they were sold on was a great fan base. Let's live up to our end of the bargain and show them the support they need right now. And no - that doesn't mean you should tweet them or attempt to contact them in any way. But we can start by treating them like the family they are instead of assuming they are all leaving.
If any of them decide to leave - I would hope we all show them respect when the time comes.
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No they are not kids, we don't send kids to defend our country. Adolescents are young adults maturing from kids to be more adult like. At age 18 they can sign binding agreements, vote etc.
Perhaps that is one of the problems we have with society is coddling our adolescents instead of preparing them for the future world as an adult.
Today we have kids and adults, with the important period of maturity missing. Lets put adolescents back in society where it belongs, intermediary to adulthood.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84
I would love to see him in a Flyer uniform this winter. McKinley, the door is still wide open, and the Welcome Mat is still out. But if you were sold on being an Archie Miller player and not a UD Flyer, then all I can say is, we still want you even if Archie no longer wants us.
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I can't believe there has been this many posts to this thread either and I must say I had to chuckle when I read rollo's synopsis which was #407, the first one from this morning!
However, I agree that the above post by T-Bone 84, the 8th one on the first day the thread was started on March 26th, says it best! The majority of us still want McKinley, but only if he wants to be a UD Flyer! After all, Jordan Davis wants to be a UD Flyer and you can't be True team unless every player is on board.
Even though McKinley mistakingly said Dayton University, when we defeated OSU in the first game of the NCAA the headline in the Dayton Daily News the following day read THE UNIVERSITY OF DAYTON!
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Yes and I have my annual prostrate exam and a colonoscopy every 5 years too.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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I'm sure autocorrect got him and added an extra N and a U to what he typed
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Never seen the dude.
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Which one is Ray Harper?
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Originally Posted by Gazoo
I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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Didnt catch that the first time around. That made it funnier.
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I do not think that word means what you think it means.
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I suppose you have yours standing up?
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I just heard from some well place insiders at UD that they have changed their long standing policy concerning statues honoring great Flyers. There will be a new area in front of UD Arena that will be a place of honor for these life size statues. The very first one will be of McKinley Wright. The second will be of Rollo, but that will take longer due to the added space needed for his head.
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He's not coming here. We're going to have a couple of down years coming. That's what happens when you lose 4 seniors and your coach in the same year.
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Well said, MNFats.
Messrs. Wright, Carter, Pierce, Davis, Svoboda, and (of course) Antetokounmpo, we know you have some hard decisions to make in the days to come. If I may impart a bit of wisdom and a history lesson, we endured a coaching change TO Coach Miller 6 years ago, just as we are all enduring a coaching change FROM Coach Miller now. Both of our freshman recruits (Henton & Gibson) chose to go elsewhere, as did 2 of our 4 recruits (Staten & Spearman) from the previous season. Another recruit (Hill) chose to leave a year later. 1 recruit out of the 6 chose to come in the first place, and stay all 4 years. That recruit, Devin Oliver, became a Senior co-captain of the squad that went to the Elite Eight in 2014.
Can lightning strike twice? The Flyer Faithful would sure like to find out, and we would love to see you be the ones to make it happen.
Give the hiring process a chance to work. We will. They call us the Flyer Faithful for a reason. We would love to show you why.
Sincerely,
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I was thinking Kyle, Kendall, Scootchie, and Charles may be the best embassy dorsett for UD right now.
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Kostas is unlikely to leave unless he intends to sit out another year.
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McKinley is calling XW and KD "family" on twitter and red/blue emojis after it. May not mean anything, but certainly the most encouraging thing I've seen in the last couple days.
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Originally Posted by flyerfan4life
McKinley is calling XW and KD "family" on twitter and red/blue emojis after it. May not mean anything, but certainly the most encouraging thing I've seen in the last couple days.
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Based on this and what we know his track record to be, I'm all the more sold on KD as a Grad Assistant this coming year. Guy is a true leader. Who knows? Maybe 10-15 years from now, we could have a true Flyer as our HC? 1 word - youneverknow.
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While it is not proper for fans to reach out to recruits, it does not apply to our current players. Feeling is KD and company have reached out to MW and the others. Stay positive everyone.
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Originally Posted by Avid Flyer
While it is not proper for fans to reach out to recruits, it does not apply to our current players. Feeling is KD and company have reached out to MW and the others. Stay positive everyone.
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I hope this is true and if it is, then current/graduating seniors like KD are cementing their place in Flyer history. Would love to see KD on the bench as a grad assistant- love the tenacity he brought. I could easily see KD as a Head coach someone in the future. may as well start it here.
Message to all incoming freshmen- stay at Dayton- you won't regret it.
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I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
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He'll have to stick some lures in the European water, and see what kind of nibbles he gets. If he doesn't get a good vibe, then by all means, I'd love to see him back here next year, as a Grad Assistant. Guy is a real leader.
...and a GREAT ambassador for the program and the university.
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
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He'll need to stick in a Euro A league to make that kind of jack. Not sure he can. He simply may have coaching in his blood and it's "pay me now or pay me later" and I could see the kid maybe being a HC in 10-12 years but a nicely compensated assistant sooner than that..
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Originally Posted by Flyers98
I see a lot in KD that would make a good coach. However, he strikes me as the kind of guy who loves to play and will as long as he can. Why would he forego a six figure salary in Europe to stay and make $30K/yr as a grad assistant, especially for a coach he doesn't know?
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Grad assistants don't come close to making 30k a year. More like 10-15 max for basketball GA's.
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Grad assistants don't come close to making 30k a year. More like 10-15 max for basketball GA's.
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You beat me to the punch. KD is better suited to go international and make much more money than anywhere as a GA.
We need to accept that Wright is likely not coming and he might not be the only one.
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You beat me to the punch. KD is better suited to go international and make much more money than anywhere as a GA.
We need to accept that Wright is likely not coming and he might not be the only one.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
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If he does this, I would lose whatever respect I have left of him.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
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Dirty? He (along with the staff) did the hard work in selling him on his vision. I wouldn't see that as dirty at all. Nothing different from someone in sales recruiting a customer over to another vendor if you change jobs. If he truly believes in their talent and has room for them at IU, I would expect him to want them to follow him.
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And if Archie poaches him to IU, we should be a very, very disappointed group of fans. That's dirty in my book.
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That's recruiting, nothing dirty about that. Archie and Co have been talking to this kid daily for well over a year. The relationship is there. It isn't like these are just pieces in a puzzle with no emotions or relationships involved.
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I have no idea what his earning potential is overseas, but I do know that his college coach had to make a similar decision, knew that his long term goal was coaching and choose to start in that route rather than head overseas to make some coin. I have no idea if Kyle has any interest in coaching, but I have little doubt that he'll be successful at whatever he makes his life's calling. From the outside, it looks like he'd make an excellent teacher/motivator/mentor for young boys/men in some regard.
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It would make no sense for Kostas to leave unless it was to play in Europe or the d-league, or declare for the draft.
I don't see Kyle as a coach, too much of a hot head IMO. He often got away with it on the court, but always flirted with the line. Staring down the opponents bench, getting a few wacks in on a trap, talking trash, show boating, etc. Fortunately for us he always backed it up with his play.
We have a very good base of players coming back and to transfer knowing you are going to get big minutes seems like an odd choice, but Khari and Gav did it so who knows.
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It would make no sense for Kostas to leave unless it was to play in Europe or the d-league, or declare for the draft.
I don't see Kyle as a coach, too much of a hot head IMO. He often got away with it on the court, but always flirted with the line. Staring down the opponents bench, getting a few wacks in on a trap, talking trash, show boating, etc. Fortunately for us he always backed it up with his play.
We have a very good base of players coming back and to transfer knowing you are going to get big minutes seems like an odd choice, but Khari and Gav did it so who knows.
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Which are the exact reasons that made him the player he was. I would not look too much at what a 18-22 year old kid does on a BB court and hold him to that the rest of his life. KD had very little actual offensive basketball skill at the college level and relied on extreme athletic ability, work ethic, and a toughness....He had to get himself fired up just the way a more skilled player has to fire himself up by knocking down that 1st jump shot..
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On one hand, if a kid does not want to be at Dayton, then let him go where the heck he wants.
But on the other, if a kid follows the coach, then what is to keep a school from hiring a coach just to bring his committed kids with him ... say like a Lorenzo Ball? That would be a horrible "arms" race...
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On one hand, if a kid does not want to be at Dayton, then let him go where the heck he wants.
But on the other, if a kid follows the coach, then what is to keep a school from hiring a coach just to bring his committed kids with him ... say like a Lorenzo Ball? That would be a horrible "arms" race...
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That's already a thing. Missouri just did it. They hired a coach because his kid (the #1 recruit in this class) was available. And guess what - the #1 recruit is now going to Missouri.
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I've always thought the NCAA should add a rule that if a coach leaves, any signed recruits could not follow them for one year. That way they would give the signing school a running chance to keep their recruits. It would shut down backroom discussions that we all know go on in many of these cases. The recruit could go to a different school. They could attend the school they signed with. After a year if they waned to follow the coach, they can, but they have to follow all transfer rules and sit out a year. I would also write in an exception for any son or daughter case. They want to play for their dad/mom and I think that is an exception that is understandable. Probably a few more items I haven't thought of, but I'm surprised schools haven't talked about this type of a rule.
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I've always thought the NCAA should add a rule that if a coach leaves, any signed recruits could not follow them for one year. That way they would give the signing school a running chance to keep their recruits. It would shut down backroom discussions that we all know go on in many of these cases. The recruit could go to a different school. They could attend the school they signed with. After a year if they waned to follow the coach, they can, but they have to follow all transfer rules and sit out a year. I would also write in an exception for any son or daughter case. They want to play for their dad/mom and I think that is an exception that is understandable. Probably a few more items I haven't thought of, but I'm surprised schools haven't talked about this type of a rule.
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Gregory stated when he took the GT job that Flyer commitments should stay Flyer commitments and he would not offer them a place at GT at the expense of Dayton. It probably made his job more difficult - Ladontae Henton could have altered Tech's trajectory. But he took the high road to his possible own detriment. Another reason BG was and is a good human.
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Gregory stated when he took the GT job that Flyer commitments should stay Flyer commitments and he would not offer them a place at GT at the expense of Dayton. It probably made his job more difficult - Ladontae Henton could have altered Tech's trajectory. But he took the high road to his possible own detriment. Another reason BG was and is a good human.
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GTech's problem wasn't losing Hinton or anyone else. That roster was loaded with great athletes. The problem was...guess who?
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GTech's problem wasn't losing Hinton or anyone else. That roster was loaded with great athletes. The problem was...guess who?
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GTech's problem wasn't losing Hinton or anyone else. That roster was loaded with great athletes. The problem was...guess who?
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You don't release a player to that school. Simple.
My guess is that any UD will only give qualified releases. It is almost always done that way.
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That was my first thought too - however looking closer I don't think they are much of a threat.
They have no open scholarships and they already signed a top 100 PG for next season.
I have faith that MW is sticking around.
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I hope MW stays at UD. But if he (or any other signee) chooses to leave - there's not much that can be done. I think it could open the doors for others to transfer in- and that worked out very well for Jordan, Vee and Cooke and now Josh. Yes we would hurt short term....but life goes on. I just hope the next coach has a longer vision than 5-6 years and has a Mark Few mentality.
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MN Fats is correct, Mckinley won't want to share the show with another freshman PG.
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Being from MN, Wright may feel the same way about IU as many Ohio people. Problem is that his stock has risen and many will be after him.
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If Wright knows that UDpride has his back via tweet, is he more or less inclined to come to UD?
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Less. Fans shouldn't contact recruits. Leave that to current/former players.
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Just don't tweet recruits. It's unseemly and could technically be a NCAA violation (albeit one that would likely never be enforced). But mainly, it is just really weird/creepy. Leave high schoolers alone.
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But mainly, it is just really weird/creepy. Leave high schoolers alone.
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@DWolfsonKSTP Talked w/ Mr. Basketball @Ballislife_025. Said he has spot at Indiana, if he wants. #Gophers among those to touch base w/ 1 of his coaches.
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I mentioned this above, but Ostrom is very close to Wright and was the driving force behind his recruitment.
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Wow, probably. Was the free bib overalls or a corn field that is swaying him. If Archie would take him that is poaching.
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This so called journalist needs to do better on wording, or there could be NCAA investigating
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
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Agree, but I would be surprised, after all the great comments he has made about UD and his time here. Some say it was just coach-speak, but he went well beyond coach-speak.
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Agree, but I would be surprised, after all the great comments he has made about UD and his time here. Some say it was just coach-speak, but he went well beyond coach-speak.
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
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So I guess you'd lose respect for Crean if he poached all these studs from IU and brought them to UD?
I wouldn't!
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No, I wouldn't particularly care for it, although it is quite difference scenarios. Crean didn't voluntarily leave his position for greener pastures, he was fired. I really don't want Crean at UD anyways.
I realize it's a different time and collegiate athletics has become more and more like professional sports, but someone in Miller's position could set an example and demonstrate class by leaving UD's recruits alone. He's done enough damage by leaving, leave them alone.
If college athletics has come to the point where everything is fair and as dirty as politics, then I'm going to continue to lose more and more interest in it. I'm not the fan of college basketball as I used to be simply because it's become what it is today, driven by greed and money.
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So can you hook me up with the queens number?
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So can you hook me up with the queens number?
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After a NLI is signed, a player can back out and can go to whatever school they want to and would have to sit out one year. UD could grant a release so they would not have to sit out a year. That is UD's call, though.
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After a NLI is signed, a player can back out and can go to whatever school they want to and would have to sit out one year. UD could grant a release so they would not have to sit out a year. That is UD's call, though.
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Interesting that a program that considers itself a top tier one nationally would have to steal recruits from a mid major program. IU act like you are what you claim and get your own recruits
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Don't like it, but I get it.
If I was the parent of a recruit and the coach that recruited him left, my advice to him would be to weigh all his options.
I hate it for Dayton basketball, but I completely get why a recruit would want to reconsider his decision during a coaching change. At least he's being honest!
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If Archie is truly trying to poach players he recruited to Dayton, then I've lost all respect for him. It'll be putting his true colors on full display. Somehow, I'm not all that surprised.
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That's why I commented on it being "dirty." You don't crap all over a program that gave him the opportunity of a lifetime. Archie can move on and I respect that, but if he either poaches or accepts a UD recruit, I have lost all respect for him.
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I get the excitement for Wright, but we have 4 other recruits that are pretty good. Not sure why they don't have their own thread.
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I'm guessing it's without a 2nd point guard, we're not sure we'll be able to get the ball up the court and score points. We can make a full basketball team with MW.
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Wolfson was just having a convo with a friend of mine who's a journalist for the Xenia Post Gazzette. His comment was more opinion from all the crap we've all read. He probably got his fake news from reading all your speculative posts on UD Pride. :-)
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Hard to believe they'd print a story based on one tweet. I haven't seen any such things come from mckinley himself. Even if he told this reporter such a thing, it doesn't confirm that Archie or anyone representing Archie has contacted mckinley wright. It could just be an 18 year old kid being confident. i.e. 'I'm sure archie would give me a spot at IU if i wanted it' type of thing.
You can't litigate this stuff through suggestions and third party hearsay tweets. Let this play out. I'm not saying MW will end up a Flyer or not. I'm just saying making accusations about he or archie committing recruiting violations won't help the UD cause. Everybody take a breath.
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McKinley knows he was Archie's number one priority so unless Archie went out of his way to tell him that he wouldn't have a spot, I can see why McKinley would think that.
My guess is Archie called each of his recruits to inform them before resigning at Dayton that he was taking the Indiana job. Now, put yourself in the recruit's position. You are going to ask Archie what options you have, and whether there would be a spot for you at Indiana if you were to be released from Dayton. Who knows exactly how Archie answered that, but anything but a firm "no" would probably be enough to put the thought in the recruits mind, there could be a spot for him.
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Archie starts his career at IU with a ncaa violations investigation?
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No chance of NCAA investigation on this. As long as the contact was initiated while still the coach at Dayton, I don't think there's a recruiting violation there. But it really doesn't matter. Because Dayton is not going to complain about tampering, or call in the NCAA. What's done is done, and if they don't want McKinley to follow Archie, all they have to do is release McKinley with IU on the restricted list. That is literally why this rule exists. Dayton would probably give him a full release, with only Indiana as a restricted transfer option, and I don't think anyone would criticize Dayton for that. It's standing operating procedure.
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03-28-2017, 10:58 AM
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If all of the great things Miller has said about UD and his time here is true, and considering everything he has accomplished, he takes a serious risk of tarnishing it all if he is trying to poach Flyer recruits. Is it so important that he's not at all concerned about burning bridges that can never be repaired?
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03-28-2017, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JimBo
If all of the great things Miller has said about UD and his time here is true, and considering everything he has accomplished, he takes a serious risk of tarnishing it all if he is trying to poach Flyer recruits. Is it so important that he's not at all concerned about burning bridges that can never be repaired?
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He doesn't care about tarnishing anything. He cares about himself, his job and winning. I love what Archie did at UD but that is over. As far as I'm concerned he lit every bridge on fire when he left, he isn't coming back, he isn't looking out for Dayton, he is gone. I remember when people on this board thought it was sleezy the way Sean handled the X to AZ thing. How is this any different? I just don't get all the people who want to throw this guy an appreciation parade. He left because it was better for him, he may look back upon his time here fondly but there was no sense of loyalty, no "what will happen to UD if I go" consideration. He did what was best for him. He is no longer the coach at UD and has no loyalty to UD which is why I don't understand why so many people feel like we/they should be loyal to him.
If he committed an NCAA violation, I hope the NCAA burns him and Indiana to the ground. This is a dirty business and while it may upset me, I won't complain about the stuff that is ugly but above board. I will however insist that the NCAA punish all violations to the fullest extent possible, especially when it is their flagship programs that are dealing dirty.
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03-28-2017, 11:05 AM
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I would ignore it. UD can eliminate IU with a sentence is the release. The guys he is wanting at IU are not going to translate to "from UD".
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03-28-2017, 11:05 AM
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The only person who has talked to Wright is the MN reporter. Of course we don't know what exactly was said, but where would this young man get the idea he was assured a spot at IU?
Again, this will play itself out, but the bottom line is no coach other the UD's staff should be currently talking with our recruits under NLI.
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