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5. Was elected two terms despite being born in Kenya

6. Went on vacation/golfing every single weekend (wait, that sounds familiar)

7. Attempted to steal everyone's guns
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8. Had a calm and controlled presidency in comparison to the current occupant of the WH.
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
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Democrat Hipocrisy

Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
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8. Had a calm and controlled presidency in comparison to the current occupant of the WH.
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
10. Killed Bin Laden.
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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
I haven't really seen where Obama has accused Trump of anything since Trump took office, but even if he has, so what?? He's been out of office for almost four months now. He's not the one that's investigating trump. Nothing he says or does really matters anymore. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under Trump's watch and under GOP control. You can stop complaining about Obama now.

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I haven't really seen where Obama has accused Trump of anything since Trump took office, but even if he has, so what??
I did not say Obama accused Trump. I said the Democrats are accusing Trump of something they have actually already done with Obama and Comey when they let Hillary off the hook.

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I did not say Obama accused Trump. I said the Democrats are accusing Trump of something they have actually already done with Obama and Trump when they let Hillary off the hook.
That's actually not what you said. You never actually even mentioned the democrats, so "THEY" as a pronoun no one had any way of knowing that's who you meant. But, if that's what you meant, then okay.

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Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
But even still, so what?? The democrats aren't in power. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under the watch of Trump and under the control of the GOP.

And, what are you saying that the democrats had actually already done??
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Originally Posted by xubrew View Post
That's actually not what you said. You never actually even mentioned the democrats, so "THEY" as a pronoun no one had any way of knowing that's who you meant. But, if that's what you meant, then okay.

Sorry I was not clear enough.


But even still, so what?? The democrats aren't in power. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under the watch of Trump and under the control of the GOP.
Agree that the Democrats are not in power. The point I meant to get across is that the Democrats are being hypocritical when they are accusing Trump of something they have already done when they cleared Hillary (Obama and Comey).

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Originally Posted by Mich Flyer View Post
Remember how Obama and Comey cleared Hillary. Case dismissed as Obama wanted. They got the outcome they wanted and the Media said nothing. So now they are accusing Trump of what they have actually already done.
Not even remotely similar situations.
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Not even remotely similar situations.
Similar but not the same. Obama actually got Hillary off the hook whereas Trump did not. Remember when Obama came out before the Comey ruling saying there was no intent. That is what Comey used to get Hillary off the hook. The Democrats are saying Trump tried to get Flynn off the hook.
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Not even in the same galaxy.

It's highly likely Trump asked Comey to stop the investigations. Stating you don't believe there was intent (which shouldn't have been done) to potentially interfering is not close to the same thing.

And Comey is a Republican.
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I think we need to start a new thread titled: Trump's presidency has been chaotic and exhausting. Lol.

Trump's presidency is well on its way to being more chaotic and exhausting than Obama's was.
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It is after just 115 days. We are witnessing history, folks
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[QUOTE=UDDoug;507723]Not even in the same galaxy.

It's highly likely Trump asked Comey to stop the investigations. Stating you don't believe there was intent (which shouldn't have been done) to potentially interfering is not close to the same thing.

And Comey is a Republican.[/QUOTE

Obama indirectly asked Comey to clear Clinton as Obama said Hillary showed no intent. So she was not guilty. Sounds like interference to me as Comey did just what Obama wanted. Who cares if Comey is a Republican. He is a lackey who did not perform his job properly.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug View Post
9. Never had 60% of the country strongly disapprove of his presidency.
Ive been following the polls and have continued to find something very interesting:

When the general question of "do you approve of the Trump presidency?" Or "On what scale do you approve/disapprove of the Trump presidency?", Trump's poll numbers are not very good. This question is really nothing more than a restatement of "Are you Republican or Democrat" however. Its more or less the same question and more or less going to garner the same answer.

But here's where things take a detour. When you delve into the details and you start asking Americans very specific questions about specific things and what direction they are headed, the polls are generally quite favorable to Trump.

When questioned specifically about border security, jobs, trade, healthcare, China, military, gender equity, etc, the answers "somewhat approve", "generally approve", or "highly approve" far outnumber those "somewhat disapproving" and worse.

So when you pin Americans down to the topics, they like where we're headed. When you just want to make it about Donald Trump, they have a very different opinion. But you cannot separate the two. One directly or indirectly affects the other. He is the leader of the country for good bad or indifferent and he sets the tone and direction.

Americans generally like how the battle is being fought and the results that follow, but question the manner in which the general is fighting it.

Polling is mostly about persuasion and nuance. How questions are asked, in what tense, which adjectives used, in which order, with what choices, and whom is actually being polled. You can ask the same question 5 different ways and get 5 different results. I generally do not trust polls for or against any opponent anymore. Not only do I not trust the pollsters, I generally have little faith in those being polled to answer truthfully and set aside bias, dissonance, and emotion.
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When asked, "Are you happy with the Trump Presidency?", people think about the constant negative press/liberal propaganda given to Trump and respond negatively. When you ask them if they like his specific policies, people generally like his policies because those policies make logical sense and put American interests first.
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It is specifically the other stuff, not policies, that drive the negatives. And why I thought he was so unqualified to be POTUS. The job is about a lot more than policies.
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And look at what the career politicians have done. Harry Reid, Pelosi.....
Term limits.
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I agree with term limits. I agree with getting non politicians into office. Careers in "public service" should not exist. None of that makes Trump fit for office, but there are many other people with long and successful business or other careers who would be.

The defense of Trump should not be but look at everyone else.

Adding to the list and I think this is the right number

11. Never had to be concerned about impeachment (by his own party nonetheless)
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11. Never had to be concerned about impeachment (by his own party nonetheless)
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
I don't think he's worried about impeachment. I don't think he ever really worries about anything, particularly the things he should be worried about.
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Well if White House lawyers are studying the Clinton administration, including impeachment, they at least consider it a possibility. However remote at present. Even Santorum says the past weeks cant continue without the House turning on the administration.

Trump needs to control his rhetoric and shut off his twitter feed.

Trump may not be worried about it, but his aides are concerned.

As is the GOP leadership concerned about keeping the House. There is at least a decent possibility the Dems take the House in midterms. Speaker Pelosi likely brings impeachment charges unless the special counsel investigation concludes with no adverse findings quickly.
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Do you seriously think he is concerned about impeachment
The democrats better worry about picking up some seats in 2018. You all been screaming impeachment since before he walked into the White House
Doesn't the fact that impeachment talk started before the actual Presidency began tip you off that this is not about illegal or improper Presidential actions, but a last ditch effort to stop the agenda that was voted into power with Trump?
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Does the fact the WH started researching it after the Comey firing tip you off that there may be more of a there there than blowhard far left posturing. It is still highly unlikely the House would act but if Mueller comes up with obstruction they well might.

Trump's issues don't have anything to do with the left, draining the swamp or the establishment. His issues are entirely self inflicted.
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if Mueller comes up with obstruction they well might.
It would be very odd if Mueller came up with obstruction after the FBI leadership has repeatedly communicated to Congress that no obstruction occurred. That would be very odd indeed.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?

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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?
It's my understanding that the 'obstruction' occurred when Trump - just before firing Comey - told him that Mike Flynn was 'a good guy' or something to that effect.
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Firing related to the investigation had not yet occurred. So nothing unusual at all.
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"No effort to impede the FBI to date"

That seems pretty clear. So no obstruction according to Comey before the firing. No obstruction according to McCabe after the firing. So, what is piquing your healthy curiosity? If the FBI is not sensing any obstruction into their investigation, who in the world is going to be better informed than them? I'm not that curious after hearing both acting FBI directors (before and after the Comey firing) quash the question of obstruction.

Yet, it is all the rage to talk about possible "obstruction of justice" on CNN fake news. They act as if these statements have never been made by the FBI. They are in a blind anti-Trump frenzy.

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I am not following, please explain. The FBI already stated before Comey's firing that there was no obstruction.

So, the fact that Comey was fired, automatically makes the firing obstruction?
Of course not.
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As you are in a blind eyes kiss ass phase. McCabe may or may not know what Comey was told when he was fired. If Trump told Comey that Flynn is a good guy and I hope you can see your way to let this go, and when Comey said I can't and the Trump fired him, that may well be obstruction. Regardless of what McCabe testified to.
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Well if White House lawyers are studying the Clinton administration, including impeachment, they at least consider it a possibility. However remote at present. Even Santorum says the past weeks cant continue without the House turning on the administration.

Trump needs to control his rhetoric and shut off his twitter feed.

Trump may not be worried about it, but his aides are concerned.

As is the GOP leadership concerned about keeping the House. There is at least a decent possibility the Dems take the House in midterms. Speaker Pelosi likely brings impeachment charges unless the special counsel investigation concludes with no adverse findings quickly.
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Think about it seriously Doug. Slinging crap at a man for two years is not going to change the reason the democrats have lost touch with the average working man. They have done absolutely nothing to change what they did in the last elections but rather doubled down on blaming the average man for their failures.

When it becomes obvious that the Russian conspiracy theory is nothing but a political hoax your team will be off to another desperate attempt to save what was once a proud political party gone seriously astray.
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My team? You think I am a Democrat?

Most certainly not. Nor am I a Republican.

The blind loyalty on both sides and the outright hatred for the other side is what us wrong with this country.
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My team? You think I am a Democrat?

Most certainly not. Nor am I a Republican.

The blind loyalty on both sides and the outright hatred for the other side is what us wrong with this country.
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Yes, actually I did! You seemed to be taking some pleasure in your statement that the dems could take the house midterm. My Mother was a democrat my Father is a republican. I am 66 and have probably voted republican 65% of the time.

One thing I have learned in my 66 years is that I do not trust the media. they have always wanted to run the country. They are just getting more brazen about it.

There is no such thing as a good politician but the combination of the media and some democrats have sunk to a low I did not want to know.
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Just stating my opinion that the GOP is likely to over reach, just like the Dems did, and the House may flip. Frankly we need a competitive third or fourth party because both of the two are awful.
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Just stating my opinion that the GOP is likely to over reach, just like the Dems did, and the House may flip. Frankly we need a competitive third or fourth party because both of the two are awful.
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Both of the parties were challenged by outsiders this election cycle. The DNC was so infected by establishment power, that Bernie Sanders was handicapped by the DNC chair who was working behind the scenes to undercut him. The Swamp won in that case.

The RNC was schooled by Donald Trump to the point where they had to change course and get on board with him, at least publicly. They kicked and screamed along the way, and there is still a strong never-Trumper movement. He did, however, change the course of the party. Change in the party is still an ongoing battle, but this is the most effective way to change the direction of a party. The battle will rage throughout Trumps Presidency, but the party will emerge significantly different.
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http://circa.com/politics/barack-oba...g-on-americans
"The National Security Agency under former President Barack Obama routinely violated American privacy protections while scouring through overseas intercepts and failed to disclose the extent of the problems until the final days before Donald Trump was elected president last fall, according to once top-secret documents that chronicle some of the most serious constitutional abuses to date by the U.S. intelligence community."

I doubt if this ever makes the MSM.
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The RNC was schooled by Donald Trump to the point where they had to change course and get on board with him, at least publicly. They kicked and screamed along the way, and there is still a strong never-Trumper movement. He did, however, change the course of the party. Change in the party is still an ongoing battle, but this is the most effective way to change the direction of a party. The battle will rage throughout Trumps Presidency, but the party will emerge significantly different.
Which is why additional competitive parties are necessary.
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Which is why additional competitive parties are necessary.
I have nothing against an additional competitive party, but I think it is a more difficult and therefore more unlikely path to change.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-gang-members/

Think this will ever make the news? Great investigative journalism during Trumps predecessors eight years.
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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-gang-members/

Think this will ever make the news? Great investigative journalism during Trumps predecessors eight years.
Not to the degree that it needs to be.

It's the number of gangs and the number of gang members that most strongly correlates with the level of gun violence and the number of gun related crimes. It's not even gun laws. Countries in Central America with strict gun laws but high levels of gangs have tons more gun crime than countries with virtually no gun laws and no gangs. No one seems to make that connection. In fact, I've never even seen it printed anywhere. But, it's true. Honduras now has very strict gun laws, but they still have a ton of gun violence. They also have a lot of gangs. I know MS 13 isn't based there, but they are by no means the only violent gang. Whereas gun violence in much of Europe is very low, but so is the level of gang activity that exists there.
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Europe has enough to deal with without the gangs.
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Very true.
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Obama’s NSA rebuked for snooping on Americans; journo says it proves wide pattern

Obama’s NSA rebuked for snooping on Americans; journo says it proves wide pattern.

According to top-secret documents*made public by the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court – often referred to as the FISA court – the government admitted that, just days before the 2016 election, NSA analysts were violating surveillance rules on a regular basis. This pattern of overreach, coupled with the timing of the government’s disclosure, resulted in an unusually harsh rebuke of the administration’s practices and principles.

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BREAKING: Obama's FBI Passed Around Classified Information On American Citizens To People Outside Government

A shocking report from Circa.com revealed on Friday that the FBI under director James Comey “illegally shared raw intelligence about Americans with unauthorized third parties and violated other constitutional privacy protections, according to newly declassified government documents.” That’s a bombshell charge —*Comey told Congress earlier this month that the FBI only used warrantless data that was “lawfully collected, carefully overseen and checked” —*but the specifics are even more ****ing.

According to Circa, one ruling from the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) “list[ed] hundreds of violations of the FBI’s privacy-protecting minimization rules that occurred on Comey’s watch.” That included giving intelligence data to third parties who weren’t cleared to see it, among them “a private entity that did not have the legal right to see the intelligence.” The FBI claims that the number of violations is small by percentage of all data operations.

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After eight years, the "Obama's Presidency Has Been Chaotic And Exhausting" thread has reached 14 pages.

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After eight years, the "Obama's Presidency Has Been Chaotic And Exhausting" thread has reached 14 pages.

After five months the "Trump's Presidency" thread is on page 15.


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Think about where the chaos comes from. There has never been anything like the hate directed at Trump by Dems, establishment Republicans and deep state operatives in the government. It's the swamp fighting back. I guess when you think about it in those terms, people sent Trump to Washington to create chaos for the swamp. The swamp is fighting back. Trump has the chops not to be deterred from his mission.
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Not even close.....

How exactly is Trump draining the swamp when the vast majority of his administration requires ethics waivers or came from government and congressional posts.

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There has never been anything like the hate directed at Trump by Dems,
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Except the last 8 ****ing years.
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Except the last 8 ****ing years.
Not even close.
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Except the last 8 ****ing years.
You cannot seriously make that case. The last eight years was a love-fest. Now, the "news" is full of people competing to say and do the most vile things possible against Trump.
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Obama guilty of real Hillary Clinton obstruction, Fmr. US AG Mukasey says

Former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey says President Obama may be guilty of obstruction of justice in the investigation into Hillary Clinton's email.

“President Obama’s statement that he thought she shouldn’t be charged because she didn’t intend to violate the law is the real Clinton obstruction because that is a statement by him that this is the way I want that investigation to come out,” Mukasey said Tuesday in an interview with FOX Business Network's Maria Bartiromo.

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Think about where the chaos comes from. There has never been anything like the hate directed at Trump by Dems, establishment Republicans and deep state operatives in the government. It's the swamp fighting back. I guess when you think about it in those terms, people sent Trump to Washington to create chaos for the swamp. The swamp is fighting back. Trump has the chops not to be deterred from his mission.
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Not even close.
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You cannot seriously make that case. The last eight years was a love-fest. Now, the "news" is full of people competing to say and do the most vile things possible against Trump.
I think Trump is responsible for some of the left-wing hate directed at him. I think he does incite some hate towards him.

I think he should tone down his act some.

But, I am not excusing the left either, they could also tone down their rhetoric.
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I think Trump is responsible for some of the left-wing hate directed at him.
I agree that Trump incited much of the left's hatred of him - by winning the election.
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Here is some analysis on the Cuban situation...it puts Trump in an uncomfortable position...Trump does not have a way out, either of the 2 options have negative aspects to them.

Obama may have done this on purpose to try to trap Trump.



http://hotair.com/archives/2017/01/1...r-some-reason/:


The political rationale, I assume, is to box Trump in. Ending “wet foot, dry foot” puts him in an awkward position, after all. If he doesn’t reverse Obama’s new policy, he risks irritating the Cuban-Americans who helped hand him last year’s shocking upset in Florida. If he does reverse the policy, he’ll be reinstating special residency privileges for Cubans who are here illegally — not a comfortable position for a border hawk with a populist-nationalist base to take. And if he tries to defend his decision by classifying Cubans as refugees rather than as illegal immigrants, that’ll open him up to questions of why he’d tolerate accepting refugees from Cuba as a matter of course but won’t accept ones from Syria even when they’ve been closely vetted by government agencies.

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President Donald Trump declared Friday he was restoring some travel and economic restrictions on Cuba that were lifted as part of the Obama administration's historic easing.

Embassies in Havana and Washington will remain open. U.S. airlines and cruise ships will still be allowed to serve the island 90 miles south of Florida. The "wet foot, dry foot" policy, which once let most Cuban migrants stay if they made it to U.S. soil but was terminated under Obama, will remain terminated. Remittances to Cuba won't be cut off.

But individual "people-to-people" trips by Americans to Cuba, allowed by Obama for the first time in decades, will again be prohibited. And the U.S. government will police other such trips to ensure there's a tour group representative along making sure travelers are pursuing a "full-time schedule of educational exchange activities."

The trade embargo remains in place under Trump. Only the U.S. Congress can lift it, and lawmakers, especially those of Cuban heritage, like Sen. Marco Rubio, another Florida Republican, have shown no interest in doing so.
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Took twenty minutes to get into my OPM monitoring account. When the OPM accounts were hacked, Obama did nothing about it. Just like he did nothing about the supposed Russian hacking. What a joke.
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Why do you keep posting to this thread? Obama has been out of office for nearly 7 months now, his presidency is over.
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Why do you keep posting to this thread? Obama has been out of office for nearly 7 months now, his presidency is over.
The damage he has done is affecting us today.
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Obama, the president that keeps on giving us negative things.
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I'm going to start constantly posting links about how much damage Nixon's War on Drugs has caused this country
Speaking of 'damage' to our country, would you please go chronologically beginning with Roosevelt's 'New Deal' and LBJs 'Great Society'?
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Chicago.
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Chicago.
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"During the Obama years, the 18-29 age group heard countless presidential speeches railing against the evils of “crony” capitalism. President Obama told impressionable young voters if only the rich paid more taxes, everyone would be better off. But Obama’s tax and spend policies produced a predictably stagnant economy that stifled economic opportunity for young people.

The Obama agenda also attacked the notion of personal responsibility, killed on the altar of universal “rights” and the politics of victimhood. The Left preached that everyone has a “right” to free child care, free health care, a free college education and a roof over their head. And that the State will provide no matter what, so there’s no need to save, no need to work hard or pay your mortgage or student loans."
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It takes a productive and motivated society and makes it helpless and demotivated. If you are offended by this statement, give me an example of a society where Socialism is creating a better standard of living. I wish Socialism did work. That would be amazing. Unfortunately, it does not, based on every Socialist experiment ever.
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I haven't really seen where Obama has accused Trump of anything since Trump took office, but even if he has, so what?? He's been out of office for almost four months now. He's not the one that's investigating trump. Nothing he says or does really matters anymore. Everything that is happening, good or bad, is happening under Trump's watch and under GOP control.
That is naive. Much of the problems we face we face today with ISIS are a result of his failures in foreign policy. He was more concerned about men having the right to dress in my Granddaughters locker rooms than protecting life. Besides that everything he says has a major impact on a lot of people. Just like most everything Hitler said had a major impact on a lot of people. I am referencing their ability to lead. Right or wrong.

You can stop complaining about Obama now.[/QUOTE]

While President Obama is still trying to influence the American people I can complain about him just as I can complain about you and you about me. He had his terms. I actually regrettably voted for him. He lied to my face at WSU and he is still lying but he is a politician. That is to be expected. I can't say that President Trump hasn't done the same.

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He was more concerned about men having the right to dress in my Granddaughters locker rooms than protecting life.
This may be one of the most naive things I've ever read.
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This may be one of the most naive things I've ever read.
How so? He was the abortion president unwilling to protect human life.
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How so? He was the abortion president unwilling to protect human life.
He performed or encouraged abortions?
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He performed or encouraged abortions?
He promoted abortion and voted for infanticide.

Obama’s abortion extremism is such that, as a state legislator, he opposed protection for — I’ll use his words here — “that fetus, or child — however way you want to say describe it” when, contrary to the wishes of the women involved and their abortionists, there was “movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead.” Babies were inconveniently being born alive, self-styled health-care providers carted them off to utility rooms where they would be left to die. That is infanticide, plain and simple. In Illinois, people tried to stop this barbarism by supporting “born alive” legislation. Barack Obama fought them all the way.

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This may be one of the most naive things I've ever read.
Please explain Charleston. It is my Granddaughter I am talking about. It is the lives of the civilians that are at stake because he would not and admitted that he should have realized the threat ISIS posed but he made sure to push the transgender agenda. I do not care about people's preferences are but when they decide their rights supersede mine or my families we have a problem.

You can call it what you want but I call it one sick ******* that wants to be with young girls that are not old enough to know how sick he is. Stick that up your naďve butt and keep reading.

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President Barack Obama’s Shameful Legacy on Abortion

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He encouraged abortions?
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The legacy of President Obama will go down in history as the president who abdicated his responsibilities when it came to the protection of the most innocent citizens of this great nation.
One of Obama’s first acts as president was to repeal the Mexico City Policy, which prohibited tax dollars from going to international organizations that do abortions. A few months later he signed an executive order that allowed tax dollars to fund unsuccessful embryonic stem cell research.
Less than a month after taking office, President Obama began the process to roll back conscience protections that his predecessor had put in place so that healthcare professionals would not be forced to perform abortions if they were opposed to doing them.

He later went on to push through Obamacare, which forces taxpayers to fund abortion. He has made it his mission to compel nuns, the Little Sisters of the Poor, to pay for health plans that include abortion-inducing drugs, which the Church is morally opposed to.

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Please explain Charleston. It is my Granddaughter I am talking about. It is the lives of the civilians that are at stake because he would not and admitted that he should have realized the threat ISIS posed but he made sure to push the transgender agenda. I do not care about people's preferences are but when they decide their rights supersede mine or my families we have a problem.

You can call it what you want but I call it one sick ******* that wants to be with young girls that are not old enough to know how sick he is. Stick that up your naďve butt and keep reading.
Yes, grown ass men you want to be with young girls are sick *******ers. To say that he was trying to allow sick ****s to dress with your granddaughter, or whoever, is completely naive. You can say that part of the agenda was to advocate for transgender rights and no one would dispute that, but to make it sound like he's promoting sexual assault is absurd.
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He promoted abortion and voted for infanticide.

Obama’s abortion extremism is such that, as a state legislator, he opposed protection for — I’ll use his words here — “that fetus, or child — however way you want to say describe it” when, contrary to the wishes of the women involved and their abortionists, there was “movement or some indication that, in fact, they’re not just coming out limp and dead.” Babies were inconveniently being born alive, self-styled health-care providers carted them off to utility rooms where they would be left to die. That is infanticide, plain and simple. In Illinois, people tried to stop this barbarism by supporting “born alive” legislation. Barack Obama fought them all the way.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner...rew-c-mccarthy
If you want to say/think that opposing the "born alive" legislation, to protect women's health rights, is the same as supporting infanticide, I guess that's your prerogative.
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Yes, grown ass men you want to be with young girls are sick *******ers. To say that he was trying to allow sick ****s to dress with your granddaughter, or whoever, is completely naive. You can say that part of the agenda was to advocate for transgender rights and no one would dispute that, but to make it sound like he's promoting sexual assault is absurd.
My original quote: He was more concerned about men having the right to dress in my Granddaughters locker rooms than protecting life.

Please tell me again where I stated anything about sexual assault or that I said he did it for that purpose. What are the results to those that are in the dressing room and maybe feel uncomfortable undressing in front of a "man" or being around a "man" while they undress? Do they have no rights? Unfortunately, there will be sick people in there also. I know not all and I would say the percentage would be extremely low but the results would be devastating don't you think?. Why do it? Why go there? Why force it? He decided that he was going to force it on people no matter what their concerns.

Now that I have that out of the way, I do consider it sexual assault. If the courts decide that I should have the right to use your wife's dressing room because I am stricken with what he/they consider to be a protected class, maybe I am terrified of men, does your wife not have a right to say this bothers me and makes me feel uncomfortable. Do my rights supersede her rights?

I am just trying to get you to understand both sides rather than immediately state that this is the most naive thing you have ever read.
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If you want to say/think that opposing the "born alive" legislation, to protect women's health rights, is the same as supporting infanticide, I guess that's your prerogative.
If you want to say killing a born alive baby is protecting a woman's health rights, I think you are not thinking straight. It certainly is not protecting a living baby's rights. You know it is called killing to kill a live baby.
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In case you've forgotten how real presidents tweet

I applaud ex President Barack Obama for his Tweet. I consider this to be a sincere display of concern and caring by ex President Barack Obama!
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Barack Obama campaigned for the presidency in 2008 as a peace candidate. He signaled that he would fundamentally change America’s course after the reckless carnage unleashed by the George W. Bush administration. However, by the end of Obama’s presidency, the United States was bombing seven different foreign nations.

But Obama’s warring rarely evoked the protests or opposition that the Bush administration generated. Why did so many Bush-era anti-war activists abandon the cause after Obama took office?


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Republicans call for second special counsel to probe Clinton, Lynch and more

Nearly two-dozen Republicans are calling on the Trump Justice Department to appoint a second special counsel to investigate the raft of 2016 campaign controversies involving Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration, warning these questions cannot “be allowed to die on the vine” amid the Russia probe firestorm.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-and-more.html

'I don’t think that the crimes of the prior administration, of Hillary Clinton, the collusion with James Comey and Loretta Lynch should be forgotten just because Hillary Clinton lost the election'
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Nearly two-dozen Republicans are calling on the Trump Justice Department to appoint a second special counsel to investigate the raft of 2016 campaign controversies involving Hillary Clinton and the Obama administration, warning these questions cannot “be allowed to die on the vine” amid the Russia probe firestorm.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017...-and-more.html

'I don’t think that the crimes of the prior administration, of Hillary Clinton, the collusion with James Comey and Loretta Lynch should be forgotten just because Hillary Clinton lost the election'
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This would require President Trump to go back on his word. He said that Hillary had suffered enough from losing the election. This does not seem to have taken the junkyard dog out of her though and I would not blame him one bit if there is enough evidence to justify a special counsel investigation.

All I have heard so far are the same thing I have heard from the anti-Trumpers. Unproven speculation. Of course both sides will always claim it is all unproven even if the President and or Non-President are proclaiming their innocence from jail. I am not sure a confession would change that
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[QUOTE=cralford;511742]This would require President Trump to go back on his word. He said that Hillary had suffered enough from losing the election. [QUOTE]

It is not Trump who is calling for the investigation. It is a couple dozen Congressmen asking the Department of Justice to appoint a Special Prosecutor.
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This would require President Trump to go back on his word. He said that Hillary had suffered enough from losing the election. This does not seem to have taken the junkyard dog out of her though and I would not blame him one bit if there is enough evidence to justify a special counsel investigation.

All I have heard so far are the same thing I have heard from the anti-Trumpers. Unproven speculation. Of course both sides will always claim it is all unproven even if the President and or Non-President are proclaiming their innocence from jail. I am not sure a confession would change that
If having a meeting with Russians is worthy of an investigation, surely a deal involving over a hundred million dollars going to the Clinton Foundation and Hillary approving the movement of 20% of our uranium into Russian control is worthy of a little investigation. It is a standard created by the Russia-mania of the Left.
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Still talkin' bout Hillary?

In light of the current sh*tshow, I'll just leave this here:

"Obama's presidency has been chaotic and exhausting"



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It is, indeed, a sh*tshow, but,..

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In light of the current sh*tshow, I'll just leave this here:

"Obama's presidency has been chaotic and exhausting"



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If Obama had not been president Trump would not be president.

As different as they were/are from one and other, Sanders and Trump had the same message: "Things are totally screwed up and I'm gonna fix them for you". Sanders almost won the Dem nomination and may have, absent hanky-panky by the DNC....Trump soared past arguably the best qualified field of Rep candidates ever.

That, after eight years of an Obama presidency that was neither chaotic or exhausting. But it was entirely ineffectual domestically and internationally. Had it not been so the voters on both the left and right would not have so eagerly embraced the extreme messages of Sanders and Trump.

No Obama second term....no Trump!
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Former Obama Aide Ben Rhodes now a person of interest in unmasking investigation

Former Obama Aide Ben Rhodes now a person of interest in unmasking investigation.

This adds Rhodes to the growing list of top Obama government officials who may have improperly unmasked Americans in communications intercepted overseas by the NSA, Circa has confirmed.


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Stilletos and All

Contrast that with the bleeding-heart social justice warriors Michelle and Barack Obama who shamed executives for their excesses, but whose post presidency is a stark departure from the *philanthropy and humility of ex President Carter and Bush 41 and 43.*

The redistributionist community organizer-in-chief has been raking in half million dollar speeches from the very companies he railed against and Michelle, Barack and the girls have been on a string of* vacations, one more luxurious than the next.*
The latest, on a yacht and private island in the South Pacific, hobnobbing with celebrities and media moguls, in an opulence that would embarrass “silver foot-in-his-mouth” ex-president George Bush.*
So Melania, don’t change for these hypocrites. Real American women love your glamorous, lady-like style.
Be yourself. America loves you. Stillettos and all.

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I'm embarrassed for the left media and their obsessive hate for Melania Trump. The shoe "scandal" exemplifies just how bad it is.
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Rumor is Obama stopped down in Houston to have a beer with someone. He of course did not pick up the tab.
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Birthday 56 Greetings from the GOP for Obama

But how did the Republican Party mark the occasion?
The GOP decided to troll Obama, using job figures from the first six months of the Trump administration.
“1 million new jobs in 6 months. 209k new jobs in July. Unemployment rate at 16 yr low. Thanks, @POTUS!,” the GOP tweeted.

Instead of showing video of President Trump gloating about the strong job numbers, however, the GOP showed footage of Obama, in June 2016, trying to convince a crowd that big job gains just wouldn’t be possible under Trump.
Interspersed between Obama’s remarks is a clip from a cable news network’s report about Taiwanese tech firm Foxconn’s recently announced plans to build a $10 billion plant in Wisconsin – a deal that could bring as many as 3,000 jobs to the U.S., as Fox News reported.
Not mentioned in the tweet or its video is another deal, which was announced on Obama’s birthday: Plans by Toyota and Mazda to jointly open a $1.6 billion plant in the U.S. that could bring as many as 4,000 new jobs to the States, as Fox News reported.

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Samantha Power sought to unmask Americans on almost daily basis, sources say

Samantha Power sought to unmask Americans on almost daily basis, sources say.

Samantha Power, the former U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, was 'unmasking' at such a rapid pace in the final months of the Obama administration that she averaged more than one request for every working day in 2016 – and even sought information in the days leading up to President Trump’s inauguration, multiple sources close to the matter told Fox News.*

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The BHO "Legacy" built on a house of cards. Talk about someone who was unpresidential, this guy ruled by diktat...or tried to and he was praised by the media and the liberal elites for doing so. Now the chickens are coming home to roost. http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...s_legacy_.html
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I'm embarrassed for the left media and their obsessive hate for Melania Trump. The shoe "scandal" exemplifies just how bad it is.
Melania's horrendous choice of flood attire wasn't a top news story or else I missed it. It was a social media phenomenon.
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Melania's horrendous choice of flood attire wasn't a top news story or else I missed it. It was a social media phenomenon.
New York Times, USA Today, Time, Politico, Vanity Fair

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/29/f...els-texas.html

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...xas/612761001/

http://time.com/4920687/melania-trum...lash-response/

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...e-texas-242141

https://www.vanityfair.com/style/201...e-harvey-heels

Like I said, I am embarrassed for the state of the leftist media.
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Samantha Power/Unmasking

Obama ambassador's testimony on intelligence unmasking raises new questions

Power spoke to the House Intelligence Committee on Oct. 13 behind closed doors, and what she said is still cloaked in secrecy. But on Oct. 17, House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Trey Gowdy, who also sits on the Intelligence Committee, told Fox News: “Her testimony is they [the unmasking requests] may be under my name, but I did not make those requests.” Gowdy said little else about the session.

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Lynch meets with House investigators on Russia, ignores questions on Clinton

Lynch meets with House investigators on Russia, ignores questions on Clinton.

Lynch ignored three questions from Fox News’ Catherine Herridge Friday morning on Capitol Hill, in reference to those issues.
The first was whether Lynch instructed Comey to call the Clinton email probe a “matter” versus an “investigation,” as he claims. Lynch also ignored questions on whether she sought permission from anyone in the White House before the tarmac meeting, and whether she could address any of the issues raised by Comey during his appearance before the Senate Intelligence Committee earlier this year.

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