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So after a disaster, FEMA deploys emergency housing inspectors who are paid per inspection, who asses the damage to homes and authorize payments to those affected to cover expenses of temporary housing, emergency repairs, etc....

In PR, due to lack of housing, the inspectors slept on a ship in San Juan harbor. Every morning they would shuttle the inspectors back to land, where they met at the central command center to get their vehicles and go about their business inspecting homes and getting relief funds to those who need it. I know two who were there, and both tell similar stories. Hundred of inspectors, as well as electrical workers trying to restore the grid, would show up at the command center between 5 and 6 AM. Sometimes it was as late as 8 or 830 AM until the gates were unlocked, as the local guards on the other side of the gate had not had the friendly here is your tip handshake enough times yet. Complaints were made up the command chain at FEMA, yet the problem with the locals was never resolved.

So ZMZ enlighten us, should Trump have personally been there handing out the bribes, or showed up and kicked some ass?

Just one of several examples of local fraud I am aware of

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Come on - Trump should go down there and deliver it himself!
If Trump had not distributed the paper towels himself, they would be tarped on a runway in Puerto Rico too.

The MSM hated on Trump for distributing the towels. Maybe he should have been tossing water bottles as well....


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Originally Posted by IAFlyer View Post
The Population of Puerto Rico is roughly the same as the state of Iowa.

Puerto Rico's annual budget is 10x that of Iowa.
I rarely post on the off topic gibberish as this forum frustrates me. Mainly by how no one references their facts. How can one have a constructive debate if the underlying numbers are gibberish.

Considering the board believes everything is fake news and I would assume most of us are UD grads, let's begin to do something we were taught at UD and even in high school, include references to "facts" we cite. And this isn't being like Swampy and just posting a number of endless links without any comment, but more like footnotes/endnotes.

Because in this case, as far as my limited research shows, you are way off.
Puerto Rico's budget appears to be $8.7 Billion
(https://www.elnuevodia.com/english/e...orico-2431741/)
while Iowa's appears to be $7.4 billion
(https://www.radioiowa.com/2018/05/07...a-legislature/)

That is not 10x greater. Now the budget deficit may be 10x greater. In 2017, Iowa initially faced a $130 million shortfall but at end of year it was actually $13 million
(https://www.legis.iowa.gov/docs/publ...ADR/866004.pdf)
Numbers for PR are hard to quantify as reports vary, but with Hurricane Maria may have caused this year's budget deficit to be $3.7 billion.
(https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/24/u...urricanes.html)

And while corruption is a large problem, it is only 1 issue facing the island. The way the Congress has treated PR has also driven the budget crisis.
(https://www.businessinsider.com/puer...o-debt-2017-10)

See how easy that was. And maybe you heard the 10x difference but didn't remember it was in regards to the deficit not the budget. By having to cite a source for the number, you would have realized your mistaken memory, which would be a good thing. And still made your point about corruption being an issue in PR, but at least we would be discussing issues for the deficit not talking about completely wrong figures.

In this case, lets not cast the entire debt crisis as because Puerto Rican's as lazy and corrupt but a combination of factors, many of which are a result of US polices coming out of Congress and the infamous Jones Act which hurts both PR and Hawaii
(http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/n...927-story.html)
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I only brought it up because he KEEPS TWEETING AND LYING ABOUT IT.

Let's give him the benefit of the doubt and say he swooped in and saved everyone with his paper towel jump-shots and his generous billions of dollars "he" raised. Let's say that democrats are infiltrating Harvard studies to make him look bad..

WHY is he rage-tweeting on the toilet at 3am about this? There's a massive hurricane hitting the coast RIGHT NOW and people need encouragement, not a bunch of BS to argue over. Drop your ego for one ****ing second and be a leader to help U.S. citizens. You can complain after the current natural disaster is over. The narcissism and lack of empathy is astronomical.
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Despite your claim it has been this way well over a century, I am sure the fact it is a third world country is entirely Trumps fault, or maybe GWB. Just ask ZMZ and the rest of the liberal snow flakes in the world.
And republicans blamed Obama for the poor Katrina response. Which happened 3 years before he took office.

"29 percent of a pool of Republican primary voters in Louisiana blamed Obama, who took office in 2009, and 28 percent blamed Bush, whose term lasted through 2008. Hurricane Katrina hit on Aug. 29, 2005."

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I guarantee it that there are Dems and libs (I should also throw in anti-Trumpers), cough ZMZ cough, already preparing to politicize Florence and try and Katrina Trump.
The only one politicizing anything is the President, who seems to think there is some crazy conspiracy from the democrats to inflate the death count.
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Great Job on fighting the hurricane Donald

Single handedly our fearless leader Donald Trump has fought hurricane Florence and has reduced her from a category 4 with 145 mph sustained winds down to a category 1 with 90 miles per hour winds. Might not even be a hurricane by the time it makes landfall.

Thank God, and King Trump, for the weakening of this storm and hopefully minimal losses compared to the "storm of the century" the media was panicking about 48 hours ago. Prayers for all in the Carolinas.
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And republicans blamed Obama for the poor Katrina response. Which happened 3 years before he took office.

"29 percent of a pool of Republican primary voters in Louisiana blamed Obama, who took office in 2009, and 28 percent blamed Bush, whose term lasted through 2008. Hurricane Katrina hit on Aug. 29, 2005."

https://www.nola.com/politics/index....ns_disapp.html
The response to Katrina was a failure on the state and local governments in Louisiana. Anyone who argues otherwise has no clue about emergency management. The response starts with local agencies that properly assess their needs and involve FEMA properly to formulate a complete response.
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The Press can't back off the dire predictions of death and destruction of Biblical proportions so despite the hurricane being dropped to a Cat 1 storm, we will be lead to believe that the entire East Coast has been washed away...unless it isn't in which case we can thank Obama.

EDIT: How was I to know that 2 day ago articles were already being printed saying that Obama already saved D.C. from disaster!

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060096597
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The Press can't back off the dire predictions of death and destruction of Biblical proportions so despite the hurricane being dropped to a Cat 1 storm, we will be lead to believe that the entire East Coast has been washed away...unless it isn't in which case we can thank Obama.

EDIT: How was I to know that 2 day ago articles were already being printed saying that Obama already saved D.C. from disaster!

https://www.eenews.net/stories/1060096597
They just had to throw in a comment about Trump being a climate change denier.
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...dangerous.html

Obama is responsible for the booming economy too!!

Why can't democrats just go away quietly like "W"?
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The response starts with local agencies that properly assess their needs and involve FEMA properly to formulate a complete response.
And this is why PR and Maria was such a difficult task for FEMA, correct? FEMA ended up being the first responder. Going into an island that had been decimated by a hurricane blind as a bat, run by a government that is as corrupt as they come.

But it's just more politically advantageous for libs to blame Trump. Well, at least they believe it's advantageous.
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Death toll: 2,975. What an absolute clown
OK, my apology if this is old news but I had not heard this till yesterday, thanks to Rush Limbaugh reporting it. Before the libtard snowflakes slam Rush, check out the source for my confirmation of what he said-

https://www.cnn.com/2018/08/29/us/pu...oll/index.html

So instead of counting toe tags, we approximate the number after a university study. Kudos to Trump for fighting back over this Bull**** media and liberal bias.

The only clowns are those who believe the media on stories like this.

EDIT- Keep in mind this is the same George Washington University who on multiple attempts could not count to 5 when putting their basketball team on the court!!!

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The death count is a bunch of irrelevant media hype. Each death is terrible, but who cares how many exactly. People in the media still discussing it are sicko's.
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I heard this a couple of weeks ago but never commented on it.
Seems timely now.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018...gs-that-werent
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I heard this a couple of weeks ago but never commented on it.
Seems timely now.

https://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2018...gs-that-werent
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And that is liberal, gun hating NPR putting this out. The amount of fake news out there makes you question the facts of everything.
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EDIT- Keep in mind this is the same George Washington University who on multiple attempts could not count to 5 when putting their basketball team on the court!!!
Now that's funny!
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Again, only reason this is being brought up is because blowhard Trump keeps tweeting and talking about it
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EDIT- Keep in mind this is the same George Washington University who on multiple attempts could not count to 5 when putting their basketball team on the court!!!
This is pretty funny...and their scoreboard came crashing to the floor this week too

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Trump's first tweet today (or yesterday) should read:

"Mollie Tibbetts could have been my daughter"

And from this point forward, she should be the name/face/justification for building the much needed 'Wall'.
"Houston — A U.S. Border Patrol supervisor was charged Saturday with murder in the deaths of four female sex workers following what authorities called a two-week killing spree that ended when a fifth woman escaped from him at a Texas gas station and found help."

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/na.../507-594825207

If I learned anything from the right-wing snowflake's response to the Mollie Tibbets case, it's that we should immediately politicize this and use it to make generalizations about an entire group of people.
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"Houston ó A U.S. Border Patrol supervisor was charged Saturday with murder in the deaths of four female sex workers following what authorities called a two-week killing spree that ended when a fifth woman escaped from him at a Texas gas station and found help."

https://www.wgrz.com/article/news/na.../507-594825207

If I learned anything from the right-wing snowflake's response to the Mollie Tibbets case, it's that we should immediately politicize this and use it to make generalizations about an entire group of people.
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I just watched a good portion of Trumps news conference. He is not only the most entertaining news conference President of my lifetime, he also nails the issues and owns the room. He is totally in his element in these situations. I forgot what a talented communicator he is. It reminded me of why he killed everyone in the debates.
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I just watched a good portion of Trumps news conference. He is not only the most entertaining news conference President of my lifetime, he also nails the issues and owns the room. He is totally in his element in these situations. I forgot what a talented communicator he is. It reminded me of why he killed everyone in the debates.
He was very good and isnít a mealy mouthed politician. In addition, the fed is increasing rates because of the booming Trump economy. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fed-int...ay-2018-09-26/
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I just watched a good portion of Trumps news conference. He is not only the most entertaining news conference President of my lifetime, he also nails the issues and owns the room. He is totally in his element in these situations. I forgot what a talented communicator he is. It reminded me of why he killed everyone in the debates.
He is pretty funny. I was watching some clips of one of his rallies the other day:

"You know everybody always says 'but the Republicans have the majority in the House and Senate!'

But, you know, our majority in the Senate is like this big(puts his thumb and index finger close together). It's like if somebody calls in sick that day, then our majority is gone!"
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I just watched a good portion of Trumps news conference. He is not only the most entertaining news conference President of my lifetime, he also nails the issues and owns the room. He is totally in his element in these situations. I forgot what a talented communicator he is. It reminded me of why he killed everyone in the debates.
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He was very good and isnít a mealy mouthed politician. In addition, the fed is increasing rates because of the booming Trump economy. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/fed-int...ay-2018-09-26/
I watched the entire press conference.....thoroughly enjoyable....quite a show....the Pres was really on a roll.
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Another major accomplishment under Trump's belt. Promise kept to put Constitutionalists on the court. Another President who was not willing to fight might have backed off during this fray. He held his course and got Kavanaugh through while taking on the Liberal slander campaign.

It's my opinion that Trumps willingness to fight for what is right in the face of withering attacks from the media and the Left is contagious and we saw some spine from Senators as a result. McConnell deserves credit here too.

By the way, if Ruth Bader Ginsburg kicks the bucket anytime soon, I expect that Chuck Schumer and Dick Durbin will pull a "Weekend at Bernies" on the Supreme Court.


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Another major accomplishment under Trump's belt. Promise kept to put Constitutionalists on the court. Another President who was not willing to fight might have backed off during this fray. He held his course and got Kavanaugh through while taking on the Liberal slander campaign.

It's my opinion that Trumps willingness to fight for what is right in the face of withering attacks from the media and the Left is contagious and we saw some spine from Senators as a result. McConnell deserves credit here too.
You make a very good point.

A different GOP president may have decided to withdraw the BK nomination. Perhaps we are not giving Trump, McConnell, Graham, and other GOP leaders enough credit for not backing down.

Trump does not back down. He delivers.

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Delivering...

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Trump does not back down. He delivers.
Re "delivering": The President took a very hard line on North Korea...at least compared to his predecessors. But there has been much back-pedaling since. While there is now much sweet talk, NK has not budged on any key issues. It is said that Pompeo is trying to enlist the support of our allies...the allies Trump has been pi$$ing on ever since he became president...and the allies he needs to squeeze Iran and as regards trade, China.

A Trump slogan is, "America first...but not America alone."...meaning to achieve our objectives we need the support of allies. How likely is Trump to get that needed support if he treats allies badly?
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You make a very good point.

A different GOP president may have decided to withdraw the BK nomination. Perhaps we are not giving Trump, McConnell, Graham, and other GOP leaders enough credit for not backing down.

Trump does not back down. He delivers.
There is no doubt in my mind that almost every other candidate for President on the Republican side would have bailed on Kavanaugh out of fear of taking on this calculated abuse of the "Me Too" movement. People rallied around Kavanaugh because they knew that he was being wronged by the press and the Dems, but also because the President was willing to call it out. It was his leadership that pulled Kavanaugh through.

Trumps list of accomplishments is impressive in the first two years. Just in the last few weeks we have the replacement of NAFTA, with Canada rushing to join in at the last minute, and the appointment of Kavanaugh. Oh, and 4%+ economic growth and 3.7% unemployment.

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Re "delivering": The President took a very hard line on North Korea...at least compared to his predecessors. But there has been much back-pedaling since. While there is now much sweet talk, NK has not budged on any key issues. It is said that Pompeo is trying to enlist the support of our allies...the allies Trump has been pi$$ing on ever since he became president...and the allies he needs to squeeze Iran and as regards trade, China.

A Trump slogan is, "America first...but not America alone."...meaning to achieve our objectives we need the support of allies. How likely is Trump to get that needed support if he treats allies badly?
The US has given up nothing so far, and NK has given us soldier remains, hostages and there are not missiles flying, and they are still negotiating. NK is a continuing project on the situation Obama said was the toughest and biggest adversary to the US.

Patience my friend, patience. There is no deadline at this point.
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Not sure where else this fits

Nikki Haley has resigned.

Although she had discussed the possibility with the Admin a few months ago the news was a surprise to the MSM and general public.

I think she would be a good candidate as President. She presented herself very well in the UN.
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Saudi affair

Trump is definitely an "end justifies the means" kinda guy. And, so far, it appears as if he's willing to "work with" the Saudi's to come up with an explanation for the apparent Khashoggi killing by a Saudi hit squad on Turkish soil.

"The Crown Price denied it...maybe it was a rogue operation", says our chief. Yeah, sure. In countries like Saudi Arabia nothing, absolutely nothing happens without the approval of the top dog. Just like Russia. But, after all "Putin told me that Russia didn't interfere in U.S. elections". "Why would they?"

The U.S. and Saudis have mutual interests, but surely there must be something the Saudis could do that would cross even the wavy line of President Trump. But, it appears that the Khashoggi outrage ain't it.
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I agree. Unless Turkey can prove they are innocent, they are guilty.
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I agree. Unless Turkey can prove they are innocent, they are guilty.
Turkey doesn't have to do a thing. Saudi Arabia does.

Saudi video shows the guy entering the building. SA claims he left a few hours later. So....where's the video showing him leaving? What? The CCTV system stopped working?

Oh wait. SA is now backing away from the story they maintained for a well over a week. That is; they admit they lied about his leaving. Now they're working on an interrogation-gone-bad story.

And that "interrogation" required two planeloads of Saudis arriving just hours before Khashoggi's visit to the consulate and leaving about 24 hours later.

This isn't Turkey's business Jack. It's Saudi Arabia's. And it appears that the U.S. is willing to accept the tale that SA is still refining.

Remember Maxwell Smart's line after doing something preposterous: "Would you believe...". SA is now in that mode....and we seem ready to go along with it. Recall our President threatened SA with grave punishment if they didn't come up with a benign explanation of what happened.
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Turkey doesn't have to do a thing. Saudi Arabia does.

Saudi video shows the guy entering the building. SA claims he left a few hours later. So....where's the video showing him leaving? What? The CCTV system stopped working?

Oh wait. SA is now backing away from the story they maintained for a well over a week. That is; they admit they lied about his leaving. Now they're working on an interrogation-gone-bad story.

And that "interrogation" required two planeloads of Saudis arriving just hours before Khashoggi's visit to the consulate and leaving about 24 hours later.

This isn't Turkey's business Jack. It's Saudi Arabia's. And it appears that the U.S. is willing to accept the tale that SA is still refining.

Remember Maxwell Smart's line after doing something preposterous: "Would you believe...". SA is now in that mode....and we seem ready to go along with it. Recall our President threatened SA with grave punishment if they didn't come up with a benign explanation of what happened.
After a few days you want Trump to condemn them and slap on restrictions. Then you would condemn him for his drawing a conclusion too quick and fiery rhetoric. Have some patience. If in a few weeks if he does nothing, then post, but you are like some deliveries, premature.

I have a bigger question, what is the motive for SA taking this guy out? I have not heard anyone, anywhere state one, other than he criticized SA. So do thousands. Has to be more to the story.
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After a few days you want Trump to condemn them and slap on restrictions. Then you would condemn him for his drawing a conclusion too quick and fiery rhetoric. Have some patience. If in a few weeks if he does nothing, then post, but you are like some deliveries, premature.

I have a bigger question, what is the motive for SA taking this guy out? I have not heard anyone, anywhere state one, other than he criticized SA. So do thousands. Has to be more to the story.
You are thinking about this with the perspective of a Westerner...specifically a Westerner living in a democracy. In autocracies like SA, Russia, China, Iran, the greatest threat to the government is the people. Anti-government talk or reporting that might rile the natives is strictly forbidden. In China the sensorship is extreme. Journalists that report facts or opinions opposing government actions "disappear" regularly in China and Russia.

Khashoggi was a former Saudi insider who was reporting unfavorably about the Saudi regime. Silencing his voice was motive enough. SA's mistake was the amateurish, brutal, brazen manner of getting rid of K, in a foreign country no less....and getting caught.

The U.S. and Saudi's have common interests. But we cannot let them get away with this as if it's business as usual. We seem close to becoming complicit in pedaling an obviously phony cover-up story.
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Another Demoncrat Phoney-Baloney Issue

Now Trump is responsible for decisions made by Saudia Arabia? How will this Trumped up
(pun intended) issue play in Middle America? We'll all find out in a few weeks. For me. I'm just going to re-watch the President dismantling Leslie Stahl on 60 minutes.
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(pun intended) issue play in Middle America? We'll all find out in a few weeks. For me. I'm just going to re-watch the President dismantling Leslie Stahl on 60 minutes.
Trump is not responsible for "decisions" made by Saudi Arabia or any other country. But he and the U.S. are responsible for how we react to those decisions.
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Turkey apparently has an audio recording of what happened to Khashoggi in the consulate.

It appears that SA has been lying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/w...gtype=Homepage

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There are limits...

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Turkey apparently has an audio recording of what happened to Khashoggi in the consulate.

It appears that SA has been lying.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/17/w...gtype=Homepage
If the reports out of Turkey are even approximately correct the U.S. is in a bit of a bind. Ally or not, what the Saudi's appear to have done is barbaric and typical of the sort of thing one might expect from centuries ago. We cannot let this go.

One last point: SA has threatened to use the "oil weapon" if they are held accountable. The U.S. should make it crystal clear that our response will be as if any other type of "weapon" was used against us, Use of oil as a weapon could spell the end of SA as we know it.

The ball is in Trump's court. His reaction so far has been less than encouraging. This is a test, I think, of American world leadership. We did not create this mess. But how we react to it matters. If SA gets away with this debacle there will be future consequences...and they won't be good.
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Can you even fathom that they killed Khashoggi and carved him up into pieces - in the consulate's office?
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The problem is not to figure out whether this guy was murdered, as they say dah. The problem is not to figure out whether a gang of thugs did it in the embassy, dah. It is probably not even to figure out whether the leaders of SA knew about it. However, it will be like proving if Obama knew about the scam the deep pulled trying to block Trump's election. Pretty obvious stuff, but not provable.

The real problem is what does the President do to punish SA without blowing a very important relationship? Easy for the peanut gallery to shout,"lock her up", but so hard for those in charge to pull it off.
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The real problem is what does the President do to punish SA without blowing a very important relationship? Easy for the peanut gallery to shout,"lock her up", but so hard for those in charge to pull it off.

Bingo!
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Right and right....

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The problem is not to figure out whether this guy was murdered, as they say dah. The problem is not to figure out whether a gang of thugs did it in the embassy, dah. It is probably not even to figure out whether the leaders of SA knew about it. However, it will be like proving if Obama knew about the scam the deep pulled trying to block Trump's election. Pretty obvious stuff, but not provable.

The real problem is what does the President do to punish SA without blowing a very important relationship? Easy for the peanut gallery to shout,"lock her up", but so hard for those in charge to pull it off.
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Bingo!
Right and right again. We can't let it go...but what to do matters. SA's first reaction was essentially that if we do anything, e.g., sanctions, they would blow up the world economy using the oil weapon.

Seems to me that we've (the U.S) got to do the following (if possible): 1. Persuade SA to come clean...no more lies; 2. Man up...accept reasonable punishment for its actions; 3. Make sure nothing like this ever happens again; 4. Do not even talk about much less consider retaliation using the oil weapon. Any bad situation can always be made worse. Avoiding that is essential.
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In a really tough spot as apparently our intelligence agencies believe that SA's top dog, Crown Prince MBS is culpable. I'll bet SA's response will be to deny that the top guy was involved....to claim it was an "unauthorized" rogue-type operation...and to sacrifice a few underlings. In SA style they may favor public executions.

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Brutal. The world is a savage place.
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Steve Mnuchin is pulled out of the SA economic summit. Market drops big time as people fear more is coming and oil and gas prices will spike.

I say so what. Send SA a message if they are guilty.

Mark my word, the anti-Trumpers will blame the market and economy drop on Trump for being too tough.
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Steve Mnuchin is pulled out of the SA economic summit. Market drops big time as people fear more is coming and oil and gas prices will spike.

I say so what. Send SA a message if they are guilty.

Mark my word, the anti-Trumpers will blame the market and economy drop on Trump for being too tough.
Like it or not, SA has to pay a price so that it's clear to all that there are international norms that must be adhered to. If SA is allowed to get away with such a brazen, barbaric act without penalty it will send a message that we'll come to regret.

And the guys crime? Thoughtful op ed pieces offering constructive criticism of the SA administration. What in the world could the Saudis have been thinking?
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Mark my word, the anti-Trumpers will blame the market and economy drop on Trump for being too tough.

Or they will say he wasn't tough enough. It will depend on which way the wind is blowing.
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Saudi Arabia is a place where barbarism reigns, as is most of the Middle East. They execute people in the square for religious transgressions, toss gays off of buildings, etc. They are a center for human rights violations of every kind.

This execution was sick as it is described, but why did we suddenly get outraged at their human rights violations? I agree there needs to be a reaction from us, but I find the level of criticism from the left, that I believe to be mostly political, somewhat amusing.

The best thing about Saudi Arabia is that they oppose Iran.

There has never been a better case for fracking and drilling. Free ourselves from having to make friends/allies with psychopaths in the Middle East. Energy independence. It is where Trump has been leading us. The political left wants us to stop fracking and drilling and become more dependent on the psychopaths of the Middle East. We are not going to be able to build enough solar panels and wind mills to fuel this country in the near future, and maybe ever depending on technology advancements. We still rely on fossil fuels and fracking opened up a whole new world for us.

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It is being reported that the 4000 migrant caravan has turned around. Mexico would not let them in the country. I wonder why. Could Trump threatening to put the military on the border to shut the border down have anything to do with it??
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Why do I get the feeling some rich Democrat will finance the continued march at least until the midterms....
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I just saw a video of the mob tearing down the huge Mexican chain link gate. Did they get through or not?
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Why do I get the feeling some rich Democrat will finance the continued march at least until the midterms....
This has a Soros stench cloud all over it.
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