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Old 02-14-2019, 06:30 PM
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Slow start. End of the 1st and up 11-7.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:01 PM
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Halftime Dayton up 28-22. Scaife with 9, Cannatelli has 7 with 2-3s.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:03 PM
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Bad ending to the half. 28 Dayton 22 VCU, should have been double digits. As an aside, I am shocked that there is no fan support to speak of for VCU. They are leading the A10 and this is all they get.
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Old 02-14-2019, 07:22 PM
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Even with a mediocre team this year we still draw a couple thousand a game.
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So far so good. Good defense and Lauren and Scaife giving us offense. No 4th quarter slacking.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:07 PM
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So far so good. Good defense and Lauren and Scaife giving us offense. No 4th quarter slacking.
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If only......

64-62 VCU final. Sigh......
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:08 PM
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So what's new.....

Still can't hold leads or finish. Just no flow, to the offense.
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:17 PM
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Ouch!! That was not good
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Old 02-14-2019, 08:34 PM
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Speed and athleticism. I sound like a broken record. We are so slow. Our bigs have feet poured in concrete. Other than Scaife and Fowler there just isnt any quickness or quick-twitch off the floor out there. Keeps us from getting to spots on the floor we need to be on both sides of the ball. Impacts everything.

Yet once again though, the defense only gave up 64pts. Should be good enough to win on the road. When you only make eight 2pt baskets all night, its hard to win. Other than 3pt shooting our offense remained a disaster. We shot right at our average (which is the problem). Rams abused us on offense glass in final 10 minutes and I thought VCU looked very poor tonight. Without their best player they should have been beaten by 20. They didnt shoot well, didnt defend all that well, committed turnovers, didnt share the ball well. They basically just shot FTs and rebounded. That alone shouldnt be good enough.

They looked like the worst 18-6 team Ive seein in WBB this year without their top scorer. Flyers needed to take advantage and blew it. Again. Some of the shot selection was once again atrocious. Awful turnovers at bad times (just throw it to a person at top of the key who isnt even looking for a pass). 4-5 offensive fouls on stupid mental mistakes that lead directly to FTs on the other end without time going off the clock.

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Old 02-14-2019, 09:13 PM
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Choked. Another classic for Dennis and Wilmouth
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12 points in the paint to their 34.
3 second chance points to their 10.

That's no bueno.
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Old 02-15-2019, 07:50 AM
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Gutless, choked these are awful strong terms to be using for college athletes. If anyone doesn't like my condemnation for these terms, seek me out Sunday and why don't we discuss it in person, you know where I am.
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What, are you calling me out? Gonna hit me?

Yes indeed this was a choke. Despite our supposedly great defense we allowed 25 points in the last ten minutes!!! A thorough meltdown. Emblematic of the problems we have had all season. Despite resources provided above any other in our conference, we failed to recruit at the HS level and took the easy route of others cast offs and juco’s. We haven’t developed players, failed to establish a set lineup and allow them to play together and build cohesion, encourage unproductive one one one play instead of a real offense and do no insist on displined basketball. That’s why we are not only not getting better, or successful in a weak conference.
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Old 02-15-2019, 11:42 AM
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Gutless, choked these are awful strong terms to be using for college athletes. If anyone doesn't like my condemnation for these terms, seek me out Sunday and why don't we discuss it in person, you know where I am.
Come on Barney grow up.. Sounds like you are asking posters to step outside and fight. You should realize that most posters on here are out of town.

Got a suggestion for you, follow your peers, Larry and Bucky, and Alex on streaming. Like you they are media people and stay on their media. Don't interact with fans on Pride etc. You have your platform, stick with it. Pride is for fans not media type closely associated with the program. Because of your close proximity to team, coaches and players you wear you emotions on your sleeve. If you think posters on here are hard on the women then you should visit the men's thread or any number of message boards. Duquesne went baluster with there 4 straight women's losses with harsher words than you'll find on UD women.

I may not like some of the comments some posters use nor do I like your continuous coddling of some of your favorite players.

Use pride for important program event news etc but leave the fans to post their support and critisim of the games. Stay professional using your platform like your peers and don't banter with the fans. Jubilation and frustration are part of being a fan. We are all supporters or we wouldn't follow the team.

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Ok have it your way maybe I shouldn't have gotten on this site to begin with but I thought I could add some perspective without resorting on the attacks of the players but this is my last post. And to the one before that - no I'm not challenging anyone to a fight more so if they want to talk about their choice of language in person I'm happy to do so.
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Ok have it your way maybe I shouldn't have gotten on this site to begin with but I thought I could add some perspective without resorting on the attacks of the players but this is my last post. And to the one before that - no I'm not challenging anyone to a fight more so if they want to talk about their choice of language in person I'm happy to do so.
Barney your insights are appreciated and it's understood that you can't and shouldn't speak with complete candor. Keep talking.

I think the frustration reflected by recent comments reflects lack of understanding as to why Green has been unable to recruit and develop the players needed for a top program. UD has so much going for it compared to most other programs. We're not a Baylor, ND, UConn, UL, etc. But there is no reason whatsoever why Dayton should not always be a solid A10 team in the top one or two positions in the conference.

We are not and future prospects don't seem too bright. I surely hope that is an inaccurate perception.
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There's a lot of griping about recruiting and development. Remember that while this is Coach Green's third season, her first season came about pretty quickly when Coach Jabir left unexpectedly and many of the recruits that he had lined up after the E8 run, probably for 2 classes, bailed. Probably as a result, there are no true sophomores this year. Having to fill in open scholarship positions and keep some class balance and flow for the future is why you get JUCO and transfer players. That's a pretty uneven market that you can't really develop long term.

Even at that, Jabir's recruits didn't always develop like many here would've liked. Andrijana Cvitkovic and Christy Macioce never really panned out, although could come in and give limited quality minutes. There was a lot of moaning about the "twin towers" when they were underclassmen, but now you'd think Cornelie and Grant Allen were basketball goddesses as folks on the board reminisce about the glory days. How quickly we forget.

This year's seniors were his last class of freshmen and other than Cannatelli, none have gotten much love anywhere here. Remember Abby Duffy? Yeah, me neither, but she's in the 2015-2016 picture. Personally, I think Dennis has improved a lot this year and I really like the way she plays. Her shot's not always great, but she's the only big that's willing to body up against another big in the paint and play defense in the post. Parkinson's been injured a lot, so it's been hard to tell with her. Are these development problems? Maybe, but maybe they too were recruiting problems -- and they're not Green's.

This year's juniors were also Jabir's recruits -- Scaife, Giacone, Wilmoth, Szabo. Discounting Szabo, who's done great things as a walk-on, I'd argue the only one of the three that's panned out has been Scaife. Wilmoth got off to a good start, but I don't know what's happened since. Giacone lost most of two years due to injury & seems to be hitting a pretty good stride now. It'll be interesting to see if she can really ramp it up for her senior campaign. So again, development? Maybe.

The Flyers are really feeling the loss of Burdette and Layfield this year. Layfield was a big development win. I'd say she developed way more under Green than Jabir. Whether recruiting genius or just dumb luck, getting Burdette was like hitting the lottery. Thrown to the wolves as a freshman, she shone (contrary to some of this board's comments at the time) and never buckled. One of UD's all time greats.

The upshot of all this rambling is that I think it will take another year, maybe two, for the coaching shakeup mouse to make it through the snake. If players don't develop between now and then, I guess there really is a problem. For now, I'm not that worried.
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I agree wholeheartedly. I was very critical at seasons start and very hopeful with all the transfers with D1 experience. I was wrong shhhhh don't let that get out. I equated D1 experience as being ready to go. D1 experience but not with one another or with Greens strategy. So bottom line I s they as a whole were a very inexperienced team.

Frustration is that some have seemed to have regressed with only one or two stepping up their game. Under Jabir and Green our offense profited off good defense with rapid ball movement for quick points. As Chris has pointed out this team is lacking in speed so fast breakaway points are a rairity which used to be our staple. Even ball movement which is not based on physical speed but quick crisp passing isn't there. All too often lazy passes which turn to turnovers and opponents points. That's fixable.

In VCU game our bigs mainly Maddy was open under the basket at least 5 times having slipped behind the defense. Hands up calling for the ball but our guards didn't see her. When they did start feeding the post they were passed to the feet and quickly stolen. Seems to me there is too much thinking and not enough action/reaction. By now players should know everyone's talent, moves, sets and react naturally.

Five games remain. I believe Shauna will finis should no less tHan 10 - 6. But could easily end 7-9 which would be a losing season. Here's hoping for a run all way to A10 tourney championship.
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The big recruiting bust has been the five transfers. All five have been role players at best. Greene rolled the dice and lost. It happens.

This year's freshmen have one player who looks like she can help. I am being critical because it is well deserved, and that is what these posts are about. Am I patient? Heck yes. Optimistic? Heck yes. Next year's eligible transfer may be great, and a couple freshmen may show potential, and we are back in the saddle.
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