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He is from New Jersey. NYC may not be your cup of tea but there is a whole lot more happening there than in Tucson.
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Certainly not an NCAA tournament-worthy squad. Hurley’s ASU squad was clearly the better team that night.
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I was there both nights, certainly the worst game of the First Four.
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I saw a lot of St. John's games this year and it was evident that Mullin himself is out of control on the sidelines and that he has no control over his players who are also out of control on the court. I guess that's why they say teams take on the personality of their coach.
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Musselman is out at Nevada, but I didn't see news of where he is going. UCLA? Or if Hurley leaves Arizona State, is he going there?
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Musselman is out at Nevada, but I didn't see news of where he is going. UCLA? Or if Hurley leaves Arizona State, is he going there?
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UC hc Mick Cronin to UCLA.
Wow, I gotta admit that I did not see that coming at all.
Good luck coach, the expectations at UCLA are VERY high.
https://hoopdirt.com/report-mick-cronin-to-ucla/:
Multiple reports, including one from the Bruin Report Online, have confirmed that Mick Cronin will become the next head basketball coach at UCLA. According to the report, Cronin will ink a six-year deal worth $24 million. The pact will also include an increased salary pool for his assistants, and charter flights for all road games.
More on this one when it becomes official.
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UC hc Mick Cronin to UCLA.
Wow, I gotta admit that I did not see that coming at all.
Good luck coach, the expectations at UCLA are VERY high.
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I think Cronin and UCLA are a bad fit. His style and the type of players he recruits doesn't seem like it would be appealing to UCLA fans( perhaps too boring?). Time will tell.
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I don't know if it really is the case or if it just seems like there have been more coaching changes this year (especially at the higher level) than in years past. Add in all the transfers (or quitters if you prefer that term) and I am not liking what CBB has become. The constant upheaval of NBA roster has caused me to stop watching it. I hate to feel that way about CBB.
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High expectations for Cronin...last 3 coaches
Steve Alford...6 years, 3 sweet 16's and a first four...fired
Ben Howland...10 years...3 final 4's...2 round of 32's...2 round of 64's...fired
Steve Lavin...7 years...4 sweet 16's and an elite 8 and a round of 64...fired
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I think Cronin and UCLA are a bad fit. His style and the type of players he recruits doesn't seem like it would be appealing to UCLA fans( perhaps too boring?). Time will tell.
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I think Cronin and UCLA are a bad fit. His style and the type of players he recruits doesn't seem like it would be appealing to UCLA fans( perhaps too boring?). Time will tell.
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Agree with you and can't believe they did not talk to the St Mary's coach or others out there in the Mountain west. Those guys have welcome mats into the homes and HS's out that way.
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I'm sure UCLA tried to talk to Mark Few, the St Mary's coach and others out there, but UCLA has a bunch of "limiting issues". Simple perks like a charter jet has been a long time issue and something that was finally pushed forward under this coaching search. May not seem like much, but when Gonzaga, and most (if not all) of the other P12 schools charter to each away game, kind of makes UCLA seem small time.
Mic Cronin may not be the right fit on the surface, but he may be exactly what that program needs. Somebody that will insist on hard nosed, physical, defensive play. Interesting hire, interesting to see where UC goes from here. Local kid, with family in town, and graduate leaves for a job on the other side of the country. Do they stay local and try to get the coach at NKU to come across the river? Do they go alum and try and bring Nick Van Excel(ant) back from the NBA assistant ranks? He doesn't have much college coaching experience, but I'll put my early money on one of those 2.
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UCLA is kinda becoming cartoonish.
If they're serious about being a blue blood program again, they should have offered Cal $15 million/year. Instead, reports are they offered him less than he's making now. That's less before factoring in cost-of-living Lexington vs. LA. That's embarrassing.
And yes, style points matter in LA. It's one of the reasons Howland never was appreciated there to the level he should have been.
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Did they even try to pursue Chris Beard? They also did not want to pay Jamie Dixon's TCU buyout
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I remember Cronin being sort of interviewed on tv during a Reds game.
He talked about loving being back in his hometown back with his family, friends, etc., I thought he said that he was happy in Cincinnati and did not want to ever leave, wanting to win multiple national championships at UC, I thought he said that UC was his dream job, etc.
If UC was his dream job, then he should not be leaving.
Oh well.
I guess that I was gullible enough to believe all that stuff.
Nevertheless, I think this move is good for both sides: get a fresh start elsewhere, IMO, UC and Cronin were in a rut, and it was time for a change.
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Cronin is a GREAT recruiter and coach. When he took over UC they had to use football players to fill the roster...now they're loaded. Before today's announcement, ESPN had UC in their 2019-20 Top 15 I believe...that may change as look for transfers, decommits and Cumberland to test the NBA waters.
I always wondered how a 5'9" bald, skinny white guy could walk into the homes of his recruits and continually get top talent that overachieved. His UC rosters aren't full of future NBA players - although he put 3-4 into the League - yet they continually finished in the top of their conference and played tough, physical basketball.
If you ever listened to his radio show on WLW, you'd have to like him. Unlike a couple of our recent coaches, he has a personality, it honest to a fault and always held his players to a standard never seen at UC. I hope he makes UCLA a top 10 team...and don't doubt that he will.
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Mullin steps-down at St. John’s. Had 1/2 a season of very good results mixed-in with 3-1/2 seasons ranging between “meh” and “yecch”. Will be interesting to see who they target and, eventually, hire.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I remember Cronin being sort of interviewed on tv during a Reds game.
He talked about loving being back in his hometown back with his family, friends, etc., I thought he said that he was happy in Cincinnati and did not want to ever leave, wanting to win multiple national championships at UC, I thought he said that UC was his dream job, etc.
If UC was his dream job, then he should not be leaving.
Oh well.
I guess that I was gullible enough to believe all that stuff.
Nevertheless, I think this move is good for both sides: get a fresh start elsewhere, IMO, UC and Cronin were in a rut, and it was time for a change.
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Why should he not have left? Are people not allowed to want change or look for new challenges in life? He was there 13 years. Dream job or not, that is a long time in the coaching world. This type of post and fans look at coaches when they say things and change jobs drives me nuts. This is no different than any other person in any other profession who decides to take a different job. I do not understand why people expect coaches to stay at one job forever and never leave.
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Originally Posted by m21eagle45
Why should he not have left? Are people not allowed to want change or look for new challenges in life? He was there 13 years. Dream job or not, that is a long time in the coaching world. This type of post and fans look at coaches when they say things and change jobs drives me nuts. This is no different than any other person in any other profession who decides to take a different job. I do not understand why people expect coaches to stay at one job forever and never leave.
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Fair enough. But based on what I thought he said, why doesn't he stay at his dream job until mission accomplished, or he is asked to leave? Honor your word and do what you set out to do.
This was his dream job, it does not get any better for him. Why leave? Was he feeling heat?
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Mullin steps-down at St. John’s. Had 1/2 a season of very good results mixed-in with 3-1/2 seasons ranging between “meh” and “yecch”. Will be interesting to see who they target and, eventually, hire.
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Was he fired?
I think the SJU administration may have unrealistically high expectations. Lavin was sort of forced out IINM. Lavin did fairly well.
Not sure what SJU expects.
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why doesn't he stay at his dream job until mission accomplished, or he is asked to leave?
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I believe he was. Only one trip past the round of 32 in all that time.
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Rumor in Cincinnati was that Cronin was heading out the door anyway. Supposedly, influential alumni thought he could do better.
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Bearcats journalist on channel 12 recommending Thad Matta for Bearcats job.
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Bearcats journalist on channel 12 recommending Thad Matta for Bearcats job.
Great coach. Not sure UC fans would like having a former Muskie in charge?
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Kenyon Martin threw out Nick Van Exel as a potential candidate and a lot of UC fans reacted positively. Van Exel is currently an assistant with the Memphis Grizzlies. Van Exel apparently has interest in the opportunity.
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yes, and Cronin himself is too boring. 2-3 years and out.
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Rumor in Cincinnati was that Cronin was heading out the door anyway. Supposedly, influential alumni thought he could do better.
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HE could do better, or THEY could do better? What I’ve heard on SportsSquawk is that, despite his success (which has, admittedly, not included NCAAT wins), UC expected him to take a “hometown discount” to stay in charge of the Bearcats.
I don’t watch or listen to enough Bearcat basketball to have an informed opinion about his ability as a coach. But I saw all I had to see after the Crosstown Smackdown to know that he’s a class act, who brought some dignity to that program. Best wishes to him.
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I counted only 26 division 1 coaches with current tenures longer than Cronin. This includes Mooney.
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HE could do better, or THEY could do better? What I’ve heard on SportsSquawk is that, despite his success (which has, admittedly, not included NCAAT wins), UC expected him to take a “hometown discount” to stay in charge of the Bearcats.
I don’t watch or listen to enough Bearcat basketball to have an informed opinion about his ability as a coach. But I saw all I had to see after the Crosstown Smackdown to know that he’s a class act, who brought some dignity to that program. Best wishes to him.
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I recall Cronin doing a dance a year or 2 ago with someone else because he wasn't getting the pay and the program wasn't getting the things programs of their caliber typically get. I believe he got some pay boost and the program got more benefits but both were still not at the level that a program like UC should be at. My guess he knew he wasn't going to get it and went somewhere that was willing to up the ante.
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Chris Mullen was a big drinker in his day. Coach Lou gave him the keys to Alumni Hall and he would close the bars on Union Tpk grab a 12 pack and head to the gym. Out in the Hamptons there was a b-ball court on the beach where there would be pickup games. Play for 20 minutes then sit for 20. I personally saw Mullen bury a 6 pack in 20 minutes then walk onto the court without even taking a ****.
He has been in recovery for a number of years but the recent loss of his brother and now this I pray he stays strong and on the right path.
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It's funny how if you don't hire someone these days the press always thinks its because the school doesn't want a PR hit. Maybe the president of SJU didn't want to hire Mike Rice because he has some integrity and ethics and doesn't want to hire someone who has a past history of verbally and physically abusing college athletes.
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I hope he makes UCLA a top 10 team...and don't doubt that he will.
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So you hope UCLA does great, but you posted in a different thread that you hope that IU and Archie will crash and burn?
The Archie hate here is truly, truly bizarre.
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Unlike most Liberals, I reserve the word 'hate' for the worst of the worst so characterizing me that way is expected from you but nowhere close to accurate.
I have no feelings toward Archie. None. I'm glad he's gone and would have helped him pack if he asked. I love My Flyers more than and to a degree you are incapable of understanding, and that's OK...to each, his own.
As for your Idol, Archie used UD for his own purposes and thankfully didn't sink the program too low before leaving for greener pastures. 'Too low' you say? Yes, I do, as our integrity and reputation is as important to me as our W/L record...something Archie and you probably will never recognize.
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Fair enough. But based on what I thought he said, why doesn't he stay at his dream job until mission accomplished, or he is asked to leave? Honor your word and do what you set out to do.
This was his dream job, it does not get any better for him. Why leave? Was he feeling heat?
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I get what you are saying, but maybe he got there and realized the job was not what he thought. I know many people who thought they were getting their dream job only to realize the reality of the position. Again, he spent 13 years there and left for one of the most historic jobs in the sport. It is not like he took a lateral move after 2 or 3 years.
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You lost a lot of credibility with your absurd "liberals hate" comment. For someone who prides himself as an objective referee, you introduced an irrelevant and ridiculous point into a discussion about Archie. Hate is not a term limited to select groups. Hating Michigan is not objective either, (written here by an Ohio State fan). I don't hate Michigan, but want Ohio State to win every year.
I understand the concern about the character issues under Archie, but I believe the administration was not in the dark about ANY issue and they had a chance to override at any time. BG, did not bring in choirboys either. There were a number of not public issues that occurred under his watch.
BG and OP like Archie never considered UD their final destinations. I will never fault a coach for getting a job at higher level if they have the ambition.
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Unlike most Liberals, I reserve the word 'hate' for the worst of the worst so characterizing me that way is expected from you but nowhere close to accurate.
I have no feelings toward Archie. None. I'm glad he's gone and would have helped him pack if he asked. I love My Flyers more than and to a degree you are incapable of understanding, and that's OK...to each, his own.
As for your Idol, Archie used UD for his own purposes and thankfully didn't sink the program too low before leaving for greener pastures. 'Too low' you say? Yes, I do, as our integrity and reputation is as important to me as our W/L record...something Archie and you probably will never recognize.
As for things I hate...it's a short list: Pickles, spiders and Michigan football. Everything else has a chance. Even you, zmz!
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I recall Cronin doing a dance a year or 2 ago with someone else because he wasn't getting the pay and the program wasn't getting the things programs of their caliber typically get. I believe he got some pay boost and the program got more benefits but both were still not at the level that a program like UC should be at. My guess he knew he wasn't going to get it and went somewhere that was willing to up the ante.
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Last sentence kinda contradicts the first sentence, eh?
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Living in NJ I saw many of SJU games on TV. over the past years. It never looked like Mullin was really into the game coaching aspects and game management.
With his lack of coaching experience, I always thought he was brought back to SJU for recruiting purposes in NYC area. During time outs in games, it looked like his assistants were the coaches really talking to players and drawing up plays on the board. Maybe he it was not in his personality, but he seemed to lack the passion and fire of other head coaches.
Also - Jay Young, a Rutgers assistant basketball coach, took Fairfield University job.
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Alford takes Nevada job. Hurley says he is staying at ASU.
Five Nevada players announce they are transferring, including former five star center, Jordan Brown, who did little his frosh year. Some are probably AR bound.
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With all of the transfers we are seeing during coaching changes, the net result is the talent becomes so depleted that it takes two years for the new coach to get things on track. By that time, the fans and university leaders are ready for a change again. I applaud UD for being patient with all of the coaches.
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A friend talked to some of his UC friends: the friends were happy that Cronin left and felt that UC could do better with someone else in charge.
They want Van Exel, they feel like he will get the fan base excited...they think Matta is a non-starter due to the X connections...they feel like NKU hc Brannen is not ready...and they like WVU assistant and former Bearcat Erik Martin too.
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A friend talked to some of his UC friends: the friends were happy that Cronin left and felt that UC could do better with someone else in charge.
They want Van Exel, they feel like he will get the fan base excited...they think Matta is a non-starter due to the X connections...they feel like NKU hc Brannen is not ready...and they like WVU assistant and former Bearcat Erik Martin too.
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Matta would be an intriguing option but I think his health is unknown
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Matta would be an intriguing option but I think his health is unknown
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Note that I am not at all a fan of Thad Matta, quite the opposite. However, I do believe he has a great basketball mind and at one time was a very good recruiter. I think his health issues became a major distraction and it completely destroyed his energy necessary for a top head coaching role.
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Unlike most Liberals, I reserve the word 'hate' for the worst of the worst so characterizing me that way is expected from you but nowhere close to accurate.
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I can understand hating pickles and if from Ohio hating Michigan but why Richmond. I would have chosen VCU.
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The talk around NY is Tim Cluess of Iona for st John's. Perfect fit, in my opinion!
Hurley still being mentioned however.
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Northern Kentucky and former AG assistant John Brannen to UC
Wonder if we can get a game with them now
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Northern Kentucky and former AG assistant John Brannen to UC
Wonder if we can get a game with them now
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Wright State is likely happy to have Brannen out of the HL, lol.
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Wright State is likely happy to have Brannen out of the HL, lol.
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Between Brannen and the transfers out of that conference that league has been gutted
Wright State should be the heavy favorite next year but league champ might in the 15/16 seed range
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A college basketball analyst on WKRC-tv channel 12 last night mentioned former Archie UD assistant Tom Ostrom as a potential candidate for the NKU job. He also mentioned Michigan State assistant Dane Fife and former Xavier assistant and current Winthrop hc Pat Kelsey.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Wright State is very happy to have Brannen out of the HL, lol.
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Report in NYC today - Porter Moser, coach Loyola Chicago has been offered St. Johns head coach job.
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I’m ecstatic we aren’t living in this 4-5 year cyclical realm anymore !!
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I’m ecstatic we aren’t living in this 4-5 year cyclical realm anymore !!
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Who says we aren't? If we miss the NCAAT the next 2 years, then all bets are off on AG's future here.
I certainly hope that doesn't happen, but you never know what can happen: players transfer, injuries, etc.
Saying that the hc has a job for x number of years regardless of results just isn't realistic or a good way to run a program, there needs to be a balance.
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Originally Posted by ud2
Who says we aren't? If we miss the NCAAT the next 2 years, then all bets are off on AG's future here.
I certainly hope that doesn't happen, but you never know what can happen: players transfer, injuries, etc.
Saying that the hc has a job for x number of years regardless of results just isn't realistic or a good way to run a program, there needs to be a balance.
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I'm sure that the admin would keep AG on just to pi** you off.
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I,m sure that the admin would keep AG on just to pi** you off.
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And keeping him on under those circumstances would make you happy? He needs at least 5 years then? Really?
It would depend on the exact circumstances for me, but certainly, if we miss the NCAAT for the next 2 years, I would be very tempted to pull the plug.
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Is this still the 2019 Coaching Carousel Post?
If so, word is that Porter Moser turned down the St. John's head coaching job.
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Although his three brothers played for St. Johns and his sister graduated from there, Tom Cluess, successful head coach at Iona, has turned down the St. John's job. He is 60 and from Long Island so that may have something to do with it.
That makes three, Hurley, Jr., Moser and Cluess that turned down the position. Kinda makes you wonder.
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Originally Posted by Flyer68
Although his three brothers played for St. Johns and his sister graduated from there, Tom Cluess, successful head coach at Iona, has turned down the St. John's job. He is 60 and from Long Island so that may have something to do with it.
That makes three, Hurley, Jr., Moser and Cluess that turned down the position. Kinda makes you wonder.
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True, it’s intriguing. My thoughts:
- The 3 aforementioned coaches, though from vastly different current programs, have decided against taking that position. These 3 probably saw it as a lateral move (or, in Hurley’s case, as a step backward). Makes me believe the Johnnies will need to look at either low- or true mid-major HCs, or major program ACs, all of whom will need to be less established in their careers.
- The 3 mentioned may have seen some “warning signs” about the job, or heard some rumblings from sources they trust. Not totally surprising. Colleges tend to be like ivory towers in the first place. Couple that with St. John’s being in NYC, where some/many locals believe there’s no life outside NYC, and you have the proverbial “vacuum”. Maybe the St. John’s powers-that-be haven’t gotten the memo that it’s not 1985 any more, and that their program just isn’t that special any more.
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Looks Like Mike Anderson is taking the St Johns job probably not a bad hire
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Anderson of Arkansas Razorbacks named head coach at SJU. Certainly has coaching experience and credentials. But does not seem to have any NYC background or contacts, which can be good or bad depending on assistants he hires or keeps.
He is 59 years old and recruiting, developing contacts with NYC and regional school coaches and coaching can stretch him out and be a big strain. Be interesting to see his staff.
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Anderson of Arkansas Razorbacks named head coach at SJU. Certainly has coaching experience and credentials. But does not seem to have any NYC background or contacts, which can be good or bad depending on assistants he hires or keeps.
He is 59 years old and recruiting, developing contacts with NYC and regional school coaches and coaching can stretch him out and be a big strain. Be interesting to see his staff.
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Not sure if I buy any of that. The same things have been said about numerous coaches: Sean Miller to Arizona, he did fine there.
What west coast connections does Mick Cronin have?
Those type of criticisms seem overblown.
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I don't disagree that's why I mentioned about seeing to see the names on his staff. Also whether he keeps any current assistants that have had interactions with the players and NYC high schools.
I seem to remember that when BG went to GT, he had no southern experience or contacts but hired one or two assistants with histories of playing and recruiting in the Atlanta area.
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I think the regional thing has broken down over time. Kids seem more apt now to go all over to play and with how widespread college basketball is on TV, it's easier for friends and family to watch them
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Not sure if I buy any of that. The same things have been said about numerous coaches: Sean Miller to Arizona, he did fine there.
What west coast connections does Mick Cronin have?
Those type of criticisms seem overblown.
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well he's done fine recruiting there but it's the coaching thing he hasn't been real good at considering the talent that he recruits. Also pretty safe to say Arizona is and has been a basketball power. St John's not so much.
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NKU meets with Winthrop hc Pat Kelsey in Atlanta.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...ey/3550396002/:
Kelsey, who has a 139-83 record in seven seasons at Winthrop, has been believed to be the top candidate for the job since John Brannen left the Norse program for the University of Cincinnati earlier this month.
Other candidates for the job include NKU assistant Chris Shumate and Florida Gators assistant Darris Nichols. NKU is hopeful to the finish the hiring process by the end of this week, the source said.
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Good run at Western, flopped at South Carolina. He's been a good recruiting assistant since. Got Jaxson Hayes from Cincy to Texas
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They did. Ray wouldn’t return their calls.
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Remember when Gilbert went after Izzo? We were afraid the ripple effect was going to have Brian Gregory leave UD for MSU.
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Remember when Gilbert went after Izzo? We were afraid the ripple effect was going to have Brian Gregory leave UD for MSU.
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A Sad Day for College Basketball
It is a sad day for college basketball when a fine man of John Beilein's character and ability
turns his back on the college game that is rampant with cheating and corruption. The game cannot be cleansed by the NCAA so a great man departs.
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This has to be somewhat of a retirement transition. He's probably tired of traveling and recruiting. He'll make a lot of $$$ coaching the Cavs with no pressure to do anything but have a winning record.
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Who Can Recruit
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Very detailed breakdown of the publically available info on the top 113 highest paid head coaches in d1 college basketball...iinm, no private schools were on this list as that info is private.
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