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Matthew Schwade @FlyerHoops had someone say that FOX owns the NY Post.
I don't know if this carries any weight, but one of the @FlyerHoops subscribers pointed out that the NY Post is owned by Fox.
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This is true. Fox (Rupert Murdock) owns the Post. This along with Thamel's comment the other that the 10th team was between Dayton and Creighton leads me to believe this is accurate.
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Butler, Dayton, Xavier to join Big East next season.
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Originally Posted by rollo
At this point I don't care if the NYT is owned by Al-Jazeera, I just want to know the truth!
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It could be if Al Gore had anything to say about it.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Not really. They have more digital inventory than they can sell as it is. Nearly all mass media sites do. More traffic just creates more ad inventory they can't sell. The incremental dollars for something like this would be virtually meaningless to an organization the size of The Post. And in the long run damage to reputation does far more harm - although in the larger picture this story isn't big enough to do that much damage.
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you clearly have a better understanding of mass media ad sales, but there's certainly value in making a splash with a story. with conference reallignment being rampant over the last couple of years, there seems to be a mad dash to beat everyone else to the story. any harm in being wrong is de minimis. the value of clicks clearly outweighs any harm from being wrong. as to the ny post, it doesn't have a sterling reputation anyway. but, being right once in a while has yielded desired results despite being wrong as well.
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It could be if Al Gore had anything to say about it.
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They are both owned by Rupert Murdoch (along with the Wall Street Journal, and many other media businesses around the world).
I'm not certain that Fox owns the Post. They may well be owned independently, but under common control.
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Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer
you clearly have a better understanding of mass media ad sales, but there's certainly value in making a splash with a story. with conference reallignment being rampant over the last couple of years, there seems to be a mad dash to beat everyone else to the story. any harm in being wrong is de minimis. the value of clicks clearly outweighs any harm from being wrong. as to the ny post, it doesn't have a sterling reputation anyway. but, being right once in a while has yielded desired results despite being wrong as well.
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The traffic the conference realignment is creating isn't even a blip on the Comscore radar. The Post gets millions of hits a day. The number of hits this creates isn't statiscally relevant.
This is not a comment on how accurate the Post story is or isn't. Just that the motivation to create something just to spike traffic is virtually nonexistent.
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Some more twitter response from ESPN Brett McMurphy -- saying unknown on announcement. See below.
Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
It's an oldie but … if it's white smoke Catholic 7 adding Butler, Xavier & Creighton; if gray smoke it's pulled pork
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Mar 12 Christian Gerard @banditFFX
@McMurphyESPN Are Dayton and St.Louis solid as 11 & 12? That would mean Xavier ends up in East? Or could they go to 14 with VCU/ Richmond/BU
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Mar 12 Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@banditFFX Yes. And doubtful they would go past 12
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13 hrs Tom Eggemeier @TomEggemeier
@McMurphyESPN @banditFFX Assume the "yes" is Dayton and St. Louis solid as 11 and 12? Will they be announced with B, X, & C?
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4 hrs Brett McMurphy @McMurphyESPN
@TomEggemeier unknown. Looks like Fox only wants/needs 10 team league in '13; before going to 12 in '14
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
The traffic the conference realignment is creating isn't even a blip on the Comscore radar. The Post gets millions of hits a day. The number of hits this creates isn't statiscally relevant.
This is not a comment on how accurate the Post story is or isn't. Just that the motivation to create something just to spike traffic is virtually nonexistent.
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my point isn't in regard to this story alone. instead, i suggest that the post's editorial control may reflect their business strategy.
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Coincidence this is reported the same day white smoke rises? I think not.
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Is the Tom Eggemeier in those twitter conversations the Fairmont and UD grad Eggemeier??? He would have graduated in '94 or '95? I was his freshman b'ball coach so many years ago....there wasn't a more competitive kid on the team!
Is he an insider for this deal or just an interested alum???
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Is anyone else cursing the fact that Dayton and Creighton rhyme? Hopefully this Robbins dude doesn't just have bad hearing.
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I find it very strange that neither CNNSI or ESPN has ran with this....this isn't newsworthy???
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I find it very strange that neither CNNSI or ESPN has ran with this....this isn't newsworthy???
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
They are both owned by Rupert Murdoch (along with the Wall Street Journal, and many other media businesses around the world).
I'm not certain that Fox owns the Post. They may well be owned independently, but under common control.
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Exactly...
I do find it interesting that many question this speculation from an entity under common control as FOX (the network driving the money for this conference), but are quick to confirm the original speculation from ESPN (a competitor) as fact.
Makes you wonder...
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Originally Posted by UD90
Exactly...
I do find it interesting that many question this speculation from an entity under common control as FOX (the network driving the money for this conference), but are quick to confirm the original speculation from ESPN (a competitor) as fact.
Makes you wonder...
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My point is..Dayton has never been mentioned as a first 2 or 3 in the new conference. They have always run under the "possible with St Louis in '14" banner for weeks. Quite a turn-around to be mentioned as a first ten..and no fanfare develops.
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Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago
My point is..Dayton has never been mentioned as a first 2 or 3 in the new conference. They have always run under the "possible with St Louis in '14" banner for weeks. Quite a turn-around to be mentioned as a first ten..and no fanfare develops.
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Not true, Pete Thamel tweeted earlier this week/late last week that Creighton/Dayton were on the edge for #10. If anything, this is confirmation that Pete wasn't way off base.
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The Post routinely gets stuff wrong in an effort to “scoop” their chief newstand rival the Daily News and other media. The Post in haste to be first will often throw stuff out there and then minutes, hours, days later change the story to a more accurate version. I hope the story is true, but after years of seeing the Post get stuff wrong I doubt the story is close to being accurate.
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Originally Posted by Ready Action
The Post routinely gets stuff wrong in an effort to “scoop” their chief newstand rival the Daily News and other media. The Post in haste to be first will often throw stuff out there and then minutes, hours, days later change the story to a more accurate version. I hope the story is true, but after years of seeing the Post get stuff wrong I doubt the story is close to being accurate.
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Why is it we accept bad news and reject good news. I believe it is the natural order of things on internet based systems.
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Coincidence this is reported the same day white smoke rises? I think not.
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Why is it we accept bad news and reject good news. I believe it is the natural order of things on internet based systems.
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As I stated I hope the story is accurate while letting others know the Post is not the most accurate of news sources. Ask the average New Yorker about the Post and note their reaction.
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Having heard of the NY Post headline and article...isn't there someone at the DDN that can simply pick up the phone and call a professional colleage for confirmation....clarification?
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
Having heard of the NY Post headline and article...isn't there someone at the DDN that can simply pick up the phone and call a professional colleague for confirmation....clarification?
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You mean someone like Brian Kollars who didn't even watch the UD games at Xavier and St Louis because they were on "obscure cable channels." Maybe Harris will call someone. I doubt he would be told anything, however.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
Having heard of the NY Post headline and article...isn't there someone at the DDN that can simply pick up the phone and call a professional colleage for confirmation....clarification?
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Wish it was that easy. This story has been guarded heavily with few people actually in the know. Lots of speculation...
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Not sugesting that the source be revealed....
Originally Posted by longtimefan
You mean someone like Brian Kollars who didn't even watch the UD games at Xavier and St Louis because they were on "obscure cable channels." Maybe Harris will call someone. I doubt he would be told anything, however.
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Originally Posted by SeasonTicketFan
Wish it was that easy. This story has been guarded heavily with few people actually in the know. Lots of speculation...
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A guy rites an article in a newspaper......and one of his colleagues from another paper calls him simply to clarify that he meant UD and not CU....and the writer is not going to answer?
Why not?
While they are on the phone together the inquiring reported, Harris, asks a few simple question re the nature of the information in order to get a feel for the story's credibilty. Not asking for a source name or anything like that.
And you guys are telling me the NYP reporter would hang up without saying another word? That's not how people behave.
The NYP guy's name is on the story...he wants to be belived and he wants to be considered credible.
Personally, I published many articles myself,....not in newspapers and not about sports,....but there is some commonality, I think. Credible people want to be read, they want to be quoted, they want to be accurate,...and they want to have a reputation among colleagues of being accurate and trustworthy.
"Credible people", I said. If the NYP guy and his paper are sleezy as Swampy suggested,...then they are not credible....and probably Harris knows whether they are or aren't. He's in the business.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
A guy writes an article in a newspaper......and one of his colleagues from another paper calls him simply to clarify that he meant UD and not CU....and the writer is not going to answer?
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When you used the word confirmation I thought you meant confirmation that UD was actually in the league in 2013. That could lead to a discussion of his source, and probably all he could say is what is in his article. Probably couldn't/wouldn't get into any more detail. If all you meant was whether the writer actually meant UD and not Creighton, of course he would tell him that. I think we already know he meant Dayton, since the article has been there all day.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
When you used the word confirmation I thought you meant confirmation that UD was actually in the league in 2013. That could lead to a discussion of his source, and probably all he could say is what is in his article. Probably couldn't/wouldn't get into any more detail. If all you meant was whether the writer actually meant UD and not Creighton, of course he would tell him that. I think we already know he meant Dayton, since the article has been there all day.
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Not to mention its been edited multiple times this morning. I'm guessing he's been asked by more than 1 person "Dayton is really number 10? haven't heard them mentioned a bunch."
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Understood...
Originally Posted by longtimefan
When you used the word confirmation I thought you meant confirmation that UD was actually in the league in 2013. That could lead to a discussion of his source, and probably all he could say is what is in his article. Probably couldn't/wouldn't get into any more detail. If all you meant was whether the writer actually meant UD and not Creighton, of course he would tell him that. I think we already know he meant Dayton, since the article has been there all day.
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I understand.
Nonetheless, while Harris would not ask for the source of the NYP writer's information....just the CU vs UD clarification, one can get an impression of likely credibility during a "general" discussion of the matter.
For example, a few Priders have "informed" us that a reliable source at UD, in whom they have the utmost confidence, have told the Prider that UD is "in" or "that no one knows".
But, Priders are not in this business. Guys like Harris and the NYP writer are. Their jobs depend on their source's credibility. I would think Harris would be able to evaluate whatever he heard.
Speaking of Harris and other UD beat writers,...these guys have sources and means of obtaining information. Their jobs are affected by how well they dig up such information and its accuracy. Moreover, there are few stories as important as this one to their readers.
I would think silence on the part of Harris et al is telling. These guys want to be first with the story and they want to be right. I'm sure they're digging like hell.
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His was actually the first I saw of the news [fake news]
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You know, this could make sense. Is there any other team in this whole Catholic 7 thing that would be left behind while having their biggest rival stripped from them? If they are planning on having Dayton in the conference at some point, it seems for the reason mentioned above it would be in their best interest not to handicap the Flyers by making them play a full season without their fierce rival. And when I'm talking rivalry, I'm talking about one as strong as Dayton/ Xavier.
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That doesn't say Robbins screwed up. It says Robbins' report is 'speculation', according to someone who wouldn't say anything even if he knew.
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But Lenn Robbins who wrote the story then told our Doug Harris late Wednesday afternoon that he’d head Dayton would be the last team him
Yeah ok...last team him.
Creighton here
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That doesn't say Robbins screwed up. It says Robbins' report is 'speculation', according to someone who wouldn't say anything even if he knew.
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No he screwed up. "He said the reference was to the 12th team in, not the 10th."
Last team in is #12..not #8-9-10..That is a screw up.
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The DDN article is full of typos. How can you believe a word of that drivel???
Totally unprofessional.
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A party in order?
After an unusually stressful time for Priders, if the C7 decision is favorable, perhaps we should have a big party somewhere.....Chris' house?
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Disapointing to see Richmond surface again.
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All of this is still speculation. The glass half full priders want to believe the latest report. The glass half empty Priders want to believe the earlier reports or worse (Horizon league). This whole thread is entertaining and good discussion, but that is all. Patience... It will be known soon. BTW - Archdeacon used to be one of my favorite writers, but he has turned into a half empty guy as far as UD goes now. The 4 Christie Mack articles were 3 too many.
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While there are optimists and pessimists and a few realists in this whole deal, I won't believe anything for sure until UD puts pen to paper.
With that said, there is always a mole and their is always a mole that is correct. The unfortunate issue for UD right now, is that we don't know when that mole will surface that is correct.
Those that have been in meetings will at all costs be sworn to secrecy in this thing. But out of those, the ones that will leak info will be ones that are already in for sure, not the ones that are on the fence in regards to being invited. If there is a rule to follow given to a pending member, they will be sure to follow it with what is on the line.
I hope for the best. Common sense would say that the decision will be made public prior to NCAA tournament games. The eyes on TV's is at a high and what better press can the BE get than that? But as with anything in this discussion, there has been numerous times that someone has said information was being released on a certain date and none of those dates have really held true.
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Here is Andy Katz' current ESPN article:
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...bers-7-10-days
Seems to have Dayton in, but not necessarily this year.
A long and winding comment thread, some saying nice things about Dayton, some not so nice.
U-Conn and St Joe's fans not happy with their lot.
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the ny post story is more interesting with the attempted admission that he screwed up. really? he didn't just say ud was the last team in. he clarified that creighton and slu would join the new big east in '14. it's in the headline. now, we're just going to run with the "oh, silly me, i made a boo-boo." interesting, that. it's especially interesting since they [B][I]still[B][I] have the headline that ud is joining next year. just pulled up the ny post. scrolled to the bottom and saw the headline. interesting.
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As Hyde Park said, in his article Robbins didn't say UD would be the 10th team or anybody would be the 12th team. He definitively said Xavier, Butler, and Dayton would join this year, and Creighton and St Louis would join next year. If he told Harris what Arch said he told Harris, then he has no clue what he is talking about, or is trying to back off something he said that he shouldn't have said. And if Harris talked to Robbins why is Arch writing about it and not Harris? Also, if Robbins screwed up why hasn't the article been changed?
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Maybe just nine teams next year and maybe twelve the following. Nine teams would gel with the report that ADs were notified to plan on a 16-game conference schedule next year.
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Maybe they'll do the math and figure out that with 7 teams, they can just play each other 3 times each... 18 games!
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Don't blame the Post as I explained this is exactly what they do. The Post is the last place you should look for any accurate story. I know there are a few posters here who live in the Mid-Atlantic so please chime in and explain what people in the NY tri-state area think of the Post.
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i only lived in manhattan for 1.5 years over 20 years ago, and i still remember that the post is just a "mother may i take a small step" away from the national enquirer. they throw a lot at the wall and hope that something sticks. but, it does stick once in a while. **editorial note: this may be a bit of a hyperbole.
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Not your father's journalism...
Originally Posted by longtimefan
As Hyde Park said, in his article Robbins didn't say UD would be the 10th team or anybody would be the 12th team. He definitively said Xavier, Butler, and Dayton would join this year, and Creighton and St Louis would join next year. If he told Harris what Arch said he told Harris, then he has no clue what he is talking about, or is trying to back off something he said that he shouldn't have said. And if Harris talked to Robbins why is Arch writing about it and not Harris? Also, if Robbins screwed up why hasn't the article been changed?
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Because, just as the rules have changed with regard to having named sources before going to print, corrections or disclaimers are no longer routine. Pathetic.
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Maybe they'll do the math and figure out that with 7 teams, they can just play each other 3 times each... 18 games!
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If my math is correct, that would give FOX Sports 63 games to broadcast, nine of which would be a stellar matchup involving any two of the following three teams: Providence, Seton Hall, and/or DePaul. I'm sure the TV execs are chompin' at the bit for that opportunity!
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Originally Posted by Ready Action
Don't blame the Post as I explained this is exactly what they do. The Post is the last place you should look for any accurate story. I know there are a few posters here who live in the Mid-Atlantic so please chime in and explain what people in the NY tri-state area think of the Post.
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There is a previous post mentioning the NY Times in relation to the Post. In terms of journalism that is a ridiculous comparison.
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From a personal standpoint, I am looking forward to coming down to UD Arena for the Providence game and shaking hands with LaDontae Henton and getting the chance to see him play where he should have been hoopin' in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Ready Action
Don't blame the Post as I explained this is exactly what they do. The Post is the last place you should look for any accurate story. I know there are a few posters here who live in the Mid-Atlantic so please chime in and explain what people in the NY tri-state area think of the Post.
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I don't know how accurate this article is in terms of comparing the New York Post and the New York Times, but I thought it was an entertaining read.
http://takimag.com/article/a_tale_of...#axzz2NLiE1VBO
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What is the reasoning behind the C7 just taking 3 teams for next year and then adding 2 more teams the following year? Why not just take 5 teams right off the bat? My thought is that taking 5 right away would be a devastating blow to the A10 which could cause them to fold if a team like VCU would jump back into the CAA and others bail out. So a second round of additions to the C7 would give the A10 a warning shot more or less that they need to start looking to add teams to the league. On the other hand ..does the C7 give a **** about the affects of their poaching? I say hell no.
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Shouldn't we be calling them the Big East now?
Everyone seems to still call them the C7.
Just strikes me as odd since supposedly the "Big East" name was worth so much money.
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Originally Posted by Sit_Down_Digger
What is the reasoning behind the C7 just taking 3 teams for next year and then adding 2 more teams the following year? Why not just take 5 teams right off the bat? My thought is that taking 5 right away would be a devastating blow to the A10 which could cause them to fold if a team like VCU would jump back into the CAA and others bail out. So a second round of additions to the C7 would give the A10 a warning shot more or less that they need to start looking to add teams to the league. On the other hand ..does the C7 give a **** about the affects of their poaching? I say hell no.
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a couple of reasons offthe top ofmy head:
-- a courtesy to the A10 since it will lose 4 programs and to pull all at once, along with the departures of Temple and Charlotte, with extrmely short notice would be extrememly hardon the A10. I don't think people are trying to completely burn bridges and i get the impression the original desire of the C7 was to start up in 14/15 season. Fox pushed them into the 13/14 start so this is sort of a compromise with the A10 to give them a little time to reload.
-- scheduling? The current big east has, i believe, 18 conference games. Rather than disrupt the scheduling fornext year that is already well under way, 10 teams allows them to schedule a very neat 18 game conference schedule. then they go to a 16 game conference schedule the following year when teams 11 and 12 come in.
-- I'm sure there is $$$ somewhere in the equation.
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I want the C7/BigEast invitation but I want one more year in the A10 so we can develop and compete in a League that is a great fit for our talent.
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Originally Posted by superfan99
Shouldn't we be calling them the Big East now?
Everyone seems to still call them the C7.
Just strikes me as odd since supposedly the "Big East" name was worth so much money.
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That will probably start mid-way through the summer. Right now, the Big East still includes UConn, Cincinnati, etc.
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Agree with that 100 per cent. Another year in the A-10 would be helpful.
While the BE would not be light years ahead as far as competition goes, it would be a step up and I wonder about our ability to compete night in and night out. Gives AM another year to get his guys and system in place.
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I just had a thought (my wife says that is dangerous). According to this morning's DDN, Robbins told Harris he was hearing UD was the "last team in" but was "less sure of the timetable." My thought is that UD could have been the last team selected (perhaps beating out Richmond for the last spot), but still be one of the first three to join. Just because they may have been the last team selected doesn't mean they couldn't be among the first three to join if there were reasons (such as geography) which would make that move more palatable. Just a thought.
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Perfect sense...
Originally Posted by longtimefan
I just had a thought (my wife says that is dangerous). According to this morning's DDN, Robbins told Harris he was hearing UD was the "last team in" but was "less sure of the timetable." My thought is that UD could have been the last team selected (perhaps beating out Richmond for the last spot), but still be one of the first three to join. Just because they may have been the last team selected doesn't mean they couldn't be among the first three to join if there were reasons (such as geography) which would make that move more palatable. Just a thought.
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There is no reason to conclude that the last team selected or decided upon would not be playing in the first year. The two issues, selection and entry, are entirely different and seprate, as you suggested.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
I just had a thought (my wife says that is dangerous). According to this morning's DDN, Robbins told Harris he was hearing UD was the "last team in" but was "less sure of the timetable." My thought is that UD could have been the last team selected (perhaps beating out Richmond for the last spot), but still be one of the first three to join. Just because they may have been the last team selected doesn't mean they couldn't be among the first three to join if there were reasons (such as geography) which would make that move more palatable. Just a thought.
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Huh? Robbins said he was mistaken in what he said -- I'm not saying the above is not how it will play out, or that it is fair to say they are two separate questions, but there is absolutely zero reason to think that based on Robbins story.
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Huh? Robbins said he was mistaken in what he said -- I'm not saying the above is not how it will play out, or that it is fair to say they are two separate questions, but there is absolutely zero reason to think that based on Robbins story.
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Could there possibly be a more incompetent reporter than Mr. Robbins appears to be?
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I want the C7/BigEast invitation but I want one more year in the A10 so we can develop and compete in a League that is a great fit for our talent.
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I understand your point Rollo - not sure how I feel about your self-proclaimed virtuosity - But........the thing that always worries me about time is that just like in business, time can kill a deal. When it comes to crossing the finish line there's a delicate balance between the prudent pursuit of a prize and the gravity effect on a window of opportunity that is open too long.
I for one would love to get in from the get-go and let Archie and his guys work through the growing pains.
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Say what you want about the Post, but the Sports section is generally OK and Lenn Robbins is a respected journalist. His bio:
Lenn Robbins has been with the Post since 1999, covering college football and basketball, boxing, and the Olympics. He’s an APSE award winner and won the Jim Murray Award for outstanding college sports writing.
Anybody who can be mentioned in the same breath as the late, great Jim Murray is good in my book. From other recent articles, he also has a clear love of college basketball, especially the Big East, and seems to be very well connected. There has been no correction to his original story on-line, nor have there been any updates to either the Doug Harris or Arch blogs--which is bizarre.
As such, I'm going with Mr. Robins original story as it stands. I also think the announcement will happen this week--with all the school Presidents and AD's (+ Creighton's) in New York for the conference tournaments.
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There is no reason to conclude that the last team selected or decided upon would not be playing in the first year. The two issues, selection and entry, are entirely different and seprate, as you suggested.
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Exactly, there is no reason to automatically conclude that the last team (of the 12 decided upon) wont be in the conference in 2013. I can think of one major reason- money. The travel for all the Olympic sports would be pretty costly to make a standalone trip to Omaha. If they bring SLU in with Creighton then scheduling all these games becomes a lot more efficient.
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According to a personal contact made by a member of Hoops, Mr. Robbins has reversed himself, saying CU now UD in two years.
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Say what you want about the Post, but the Sports section is generally OK and Lenn Robbins is a respected journalist. His bio:
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Here's my conspiracy speculation: Lenn Robbins is correct, and all of the seeming confusion, incompetent, cryptic-like reporting, typos, Wabler saying the report is "speculation," etc. is just a cover as to not blow the "Big Reveal."
The Big East obviously has big plans to reveal the new conference at a certain time, and everyone is under pressure not to blow the Big Reveal, while at the same time wanting to get the first accurate scoop.
Robbins is correct, but he's being pressured from the higher-ups not to reveal too much, too soon, because the third gunman on the grassy knoll is ready to take him out.
Now THAT's what you call a glass-half full speculation...
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The Reveal...
Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer
Here's my conspiracy speculation: Lenn Robbins is correct, and all of the seeming confusion, incompetent, cryptic-like reporting, typos, Wabler saying the report is "speculation," etc. is just a cover as to not blow the "Big Reveal."
The Big East obviously has big plans to reveal the new conference at a certain time, and everyone is under pressure not to blow the Big Reveal, while at the same time wanting to get the first accurate scoop.
Robbins is correct, but he's being pressured from the higher-ups not to reveal too much, too soon, because the third gunman on the grassy knoll is ready to take him out.
Now THAT's what you call a glass-half full speculation...
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From a personal standpoint, I am looking forward to coming down to UD Arena for the Providence game and shaking hands with LaDontae Henton and getting the chance to see him play where he should have been hoopin' in the first place.
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If this whole episode turns out with Dayton in the big east, I will buy every member of udpride a beer at the first conference game. ( Take small sips do there's enough for everybody. Those beers aren't that big.)
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Originally Posted by rollo
I want the C7/BigEast invitation but I want one more year in the A10 so we can develop and compete in a League that is a great fit for our talent.
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Honestly, rollo, to a degree I agree with your posts regarding not wanting to be in the BE at all, but I'm just afraid that UD may never get this opportunity again. If UD says no to the BE invitation, the c7 may get ****ed and never ask again. And the ultimate goal for the UD program should be to be a program that can compete for the national championship, I know a NC for UD sounds ludicrous right now. I think it would be very difficult to compete for a national championship while being a member of the A10.
The timing on this sucks, the best timing on this would have been around 10 years ago at the end of OP's tenure. Maybe if this had happened at the end of OP's tenure, OP would have stayed at UD.
Honestly, I'd like another 8 years or so in the A10, maybe make the jump to the BE after AM's 10th year, but again, UD has no control over the timing of any of this.
I would like to make the move in 2014, not 2013, but the other thing is that if you make the move in 2014, then you are missing out on the $4 million payment(or however much the payment ends up being)for 2013. And is one more year in the A10 worth $4 million?
The longer you wait to make the move to the BE, the more money it costs you. Ticket sales also might not increase until the year that UD makes the move, so that right there is more lost money from waiting another year.
Waiting another year is also going to negatively impact one more additional recruiting class.
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Not if the announcement is that you are in the Big East in 2014/15 comes in April. The next recruiting class would never play a conference game anywhere other than the Big East.
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If you wait a year you might not get in at all. A lot can happen in a year. That's what concerns me. Even if we have signed a contract or however they do it, they can always get out of it by paying us off. What if the Big 10 takes a couple ACC schools and the Big 12 takes a couple ACC schools and Notre Dame decides they no longer want to be in the ACC. People have said they would not want the BE-12 to be their permanent home, but who knows. They could take ND and say goodbye to us. Or something else could happen. If we had an absolute guarantee that we would be in after a year, I agree that another year in the A-10 would be nice. I just wouldn't want to take the chance if we don't have to.
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Originally Posted by UDDoug
Not if the announcement is that you are in the Big East in 2014/15 comes in April. The next recruiting class would never play a conference game anywhere other than the Big East.
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Good point.
The more I think about it, the more I think that I'd rather make the move in 2013, not 2014. Staying in the A10 for one more year is not worth $4 million.
This team has some problems right now that might not be fixed next year or in 2014-2015 either, so the "right" time to make the move to the BE may not be until at least 2015-2016, who knows? So, given all the uncertainty, let's just jump in with both feet right now.
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Even more than that,....
Originally Posted by longtimefan
If you wait a year you might not get in at all. A lot can happen in a year. That's what concerns me. Even if we have signed a contract or however they do it, they can always get out of it by paying us off. What if the Big 10 takes a couple ACC schools and the Big 12 takes a couple ACC schools and Notre Dame decides they no longer want to be in the ACC. People have said they would not want the BE-12 to be their permanent home, but who knows. They could take ND and say goodbye to us. Or something else could happen. If we had an absolute guarantee that we would be in after a year, I agree that another year in the A-10 would be nice. I just wouldn't want to take the chance if we don't have to.
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If an invitation comes it will be entirely on C7 terms....there will be no options re entry year or financial details. The C7 guys hold all the cards. They fully understand that more schools are available and begging to get in than there are spots available.
An offer to UD will be with specific details...and will be take-it-or-leave-it. And we will gladly take it. Joining the C7 is a once in a lifetime opportunity....a transformative opportunity,...and one of only a very few truly significant occurrences in the history of UD athletics.
Tim will say "yes" before the C7 guy is finished speaking.
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Being in the Big East 12 (the 12 most commonly reported) is where UD belongs. Next year, 2014-15, fine.
The A10 next year (if SLU is still in as most reports suggest, and as long as the official invite is offered and accepted THIS SPRING) is fine.
Being indefinitely in the A10, or facing an uncertain future, is NOT FINE. The school, the teams, and their fans will make the best of it, but it's not a desirable outcome.
If UD was a better geographic fit with the remnants of the A10, it could even be okay then. If UD was in, say, Harrisburg, all good.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
If an invitation comes it will be entirely on C7 terms....there will be no options re entry year or financial details. The C7 guys hold all the cards. They fully understand that more schools are available and begging to get in than there are spots available.
An offer to UD will be with specific details...and will be take-it-or-leave-it. And we will gladly take it. Joining the C7 is a once in a lifetime opportunity....a transformative opportunity,...and one of only a very few truly significant occurrences in the history of UD athletics.
Tim will say "yes" before the C7 guy is finished speaking.
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I agree with everything you said. I'm just not sure what it has to do with anything I said. I know we won't have a choice of what year we enter. I was just commenting on those who said they would prefer one year or the other. I would much prefer this year for the reasons I gave.
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Originally Posted by UACFlyer
If an invitation comes
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If. . .
I think the "If" is pretty big right now. The last 10 years have not done us any favors.
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Originally Posted by UD_NY
If. . .
I think the "If" is pretty big right now. The last 10 years have not done us any favors.
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rollo says we are not allowed to use the word "if." That must mean we are IN.
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Reinforcing what you said...
Originally Posted by longtimefan
I agree with everything you said. I'm just not sure what it has to do with anything I said. I know we won't have a choice of what year we enter. I was just commenting on those who said they would prefer one year or the other. I would much prefer this year for the reasons I gave.
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....that was my only point.
We may have our preferences; and this or that may be best as regards our competiveness; and there may be financial advantages to entering one year compared to another, and so forth.
But, none of that matters to the C7. If they invite us they will "tell" us what we're going to do.
If an announcement favors UD...and we get in,...if we are in a second group, i.e., in the 2014/2015 season, I won't feel 100% comfortable. It's almost inconceivable that we would have an invitation pulled. But, I'd still feel better if we entered the first year.
I assume that even if two schools enter the second year, that all the legal and contractual details will be in place right away. That is, five schools join the league,...only two have delayed entry.
Conference don't boot members out. So, we'd be a BE member from the start...just with a delayed entry.
Talk about counting one's chicken before they are hatched.....we ain't got no invitation yet!
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