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Old 02-18-2014, 09:02 AM
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Definitely too early to determine this under AM as far as BIGS recruiting, imho. I believe Scott had an early UC offer and he was a verbal and Robinson was an early commit to WVU so some big-time programs wanted these guys...It's a combination because a BIG can only be as good as the guys getting him the ball many times....I've seen this past year plenty of opportunities to get these guys the ball with an entry pass but it's either a bad one or one never made...Last year we saw more progress with them because, I believe, we had a true PG that was able to create dribble penetration, get into the lane, and was a pretty good passer that caused defenders to play him....We saw a very improved MK two years ago as KD was the PG, as well. There's been a definite regression this year..

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From Archie's radio show last night: After the URI game, the coaching staff was on a 72 hour recruiting blitz.
It sounded like Valentine's Day was not observed in the Miller house.
Obviously no names or locations were mentioned.
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Coaches aren't allowed to discuss recruits until signed. Scott has an offer from UC, but UC dropped it.

A sign of the weakness of centers is that the 5 position for along time is not jumping center at tipoff. With a couple of exceptions, DMO has been jumping center all year. As much as I like KH, I don't think he jumped center often.

So, it shows that UD has trouble recruiting tall athletic centers who can jump, block shots, clog the lane etc... That should say a lot about the historical weakness of the 5 spot since Sean Finn.
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Coaches aren't allowed to discuss recruits until signed. Scott has an offer from UC, but UC dropped it.

A sign of the weakness of centers is that the 5 position for along time is not jumping center at tipoff. With a couple of exceptions, DMO has been jumping center all year. As much as I like KH, I don't think he jumped center often.

So, it shows that UD has trouble recruiting tall athletic centers who can jump, block shots, clog the lane etc... That should say a lot about the historical weakness of the 5 spot since Sean Finn.
Why would he? He was only 2 inches taller than Chris Wright who had probably a 20inch advantage on his vertical.
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So who did the opening tip when Wright was out injured? I personally can't recall.
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Why would he? He was only 2 inches taller than Chris Wright who had probably a 20inch advantage on his vertical.
Kurt is 6'9" or 6'10". Chris closer to 6'6" with a great leaping ability. Kurt did not get enough credit for his defensive and rebounding talent, but he was not a shot blocker or great leaper. Kav is not a shot blocker or great leaper.

A few of the A10 centers have some good inside talent. In fact, most of the teams at the top of the league have a better than average center.
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Kurt is 6'9" or 6'10". Chris closer to 6'6" with a great leaping ability. Kurt did not get enough credit for his defensive and rebounding talent, but he was not a shot blocker or great leaper. Kav is not a shot blocker or great leaper.

A few of the A10 centers have some good inside talent. In fact, most of the teams at the top of the league have a better than average center.
He may be closer to 6'6 but ESPN had him listed at 6'9 when he was in camp with Toronto and UD listed him at 6'8...I would provide a link but I am currently on my phone.
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If I remember correctly, he measured at 6'71/2" out of sneakers with Golden State, so that 6'8" listing isn't far off.
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So who did the opening tip when Wright was out injured? I personally can't recall.
Believe it was Charles Little?
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Originally Posted by MrFlyerFanatic View Post
From Archie's radio show last night: After the URI game, the coaching staff was on a 72 hour recruiting blitz.
It sounded like Valentine's Day was not observed in the Miller house.
Obviously no names or locations were mentioned.
Kuwick was in Florida, from his Twitter
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Kurt is 6'9" or 6'10". Chris closer to 6'6" with a great leaping ability. Kurt did not get enough credit for his defensive and rebounding talent, but he was not a shot blocker or great leaper. Kav is not a shot blocker or great leaper.

A few of the A10 centers have some good inside talent. In fact, most of the teams at the top of the league have a better than average center.
HaHa. Kurt didn't get enough credit for his rebounding talent? He was 6'10" and averaged 4 rebounds a game for his career...........He was a solid defender, but nothing special as a defender either.
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HaHa. Kurt didn't get enough credit for his rebounding talent? He was 6'10" and averaged 4 rebounds a game for his career...........He was a solid defender, but nothing special as a defender either.
In order to go anywhere, your big man has to give you some O. I liked Kurt but regardless of what he did on defense or the glass, he did absolutely nothing on O.
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I would be more than happy with a big man tthat was solid at defending and rebounding regardless of his offense. The trouble is that none of the 4 currently on the roster fit that description.
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I would be more than happy with a big man tthat was solid at defending and rebounding regardless of his offense. The trouble is that none of the 4 currently on the roster fit that description.
I couldn't agree with you more. Give me a big man who can control the paint.
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I couldn't agree with you more. Give me a big man who can control the paint.
may see one tonight in Zack from LaSalle. Kid has really develop into a nice player.
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HaHa. Kurt didn't get enough credit for his rebounding talent? He was 6'10" and averaged 4 rebounds a game for his career...........He was a solid defender, but nothing special as a defender either.
Kurt moved bodies out of the way so that CW, CJ, and various guards could clean the glass. Similar to setting screens for a shooter. Kurt didn't score a lot of points, but a lot of points wouldn't have been scored without him picking off defenders on baseline screens.
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I remember many many times where Marcus Johnson, chris Wright, Chris Johnson or London Warren came in from outside to grab a rebound with ease because Kurt had his guy boxed way out. Kurt may have only been credited with 4 rebounds, but was very important in most rebounds. Same goes for offensive lay ups, Many times Kurt had his guy walled off so a team mate could make an uncontested lay up. I know, much better than Kurt trying to make the lay up himself. you don't have to get the rebound or make the layup for your contribution to count. I would suggest if you reviewed the tape, on defensive freethrows Kurt would box his man way out and it was set for another player to come in and get the rebound.
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I remember many many times where Marcus Johnson, chris Wright, Chris Johnson or London Warren came in from outside to grab a rebound with ease because Kurt had his guy boxed way out. Kurt may have only been credited with 4 rebounds, but was very important in most rebounds. Same goes for offensive lay ups, Many times Kurt had his guy walled off so a team mate could make an uncontested lay up. I know, much better than Kurt trying to make the lay up himself. you don't have to get the rebound or make the layup for your contribution to count. I would suggest if you reviewed the tape, on defensive freethrows Kurt would box his man way out and it was set for another player to come in and get the rebound.
Don't get me wrong, all those things are good things. But his missed layups, indecision with the ball when he got it in the paint, letting rebounds he could of got hit the floor because he expected a teammate to get it and inability to guard a smaller more athletic post player cancelled a lot of the good things he did out. He can box out all day, but sometimes the failure to go get the rebound gave the opposing team a chance to swoop in for the rebound.
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Wow are these descriptions of Kurt's prowess the same Kurt I saw for four years. He is like my mother's cooking, it gets better every year since she has passed.

No doubt about it I would take him over any one of the present four, but he is not what we should aspire to in order to get to the next level.
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Kuwick was in Florida, from his Twitter
Any recruits Dayton has been linked to down in Florida? Some kind of tournament perhaps taking place down there this past weekend?
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I would be more than happy with a big man tthat was solid at defending and rebounding regardless of his offense. The trouble is that none of the 4 currently on the roster fit that description.

That was not the case tonight - great effort from the five spot vs La Salle.

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Especially Matt Kavanaugh.

Bob Wenzel, a former coach, did the game and he was very impressed by MK's performance.
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So I glanced at this Jay Henderson's twitter account, and it's pretty clear that he is enamored with St. John's. I wonder if they are not as interested as he is. You'd think if coaches are flying to Florida to see him, they think they have a shot.
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Kurt moved bodies out of the way so that CW, CJ, and various guards could clean the glass. Similar to setting screens for a shooter. Kurt didn't score a lot of points, but a lot of points wouldn't have been scored without him picking off defenders on baseline screens.
I've always thought this was a funny argument. So, if he would've been scoring 15 pts and grabbing 7 rebounds a game you would've been pointing to him boxing out and setting screens? NO. You point to that because that's all he could do. Just because you box out (one of the first things you learn in basketball) doesn't mean that you're a good rebounder or good player. Like I said....KH was a serviceable big man. Averaged 20 min a game roughly for his career. Let's call a spade a spade.
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I've always thought this was a funny argument. So, if he would've been scoring 15 pts and grabbing 7 rebounds a game you would've been pointing to him boxing out and setting screens? NO. You point to that because that's all he could do. Just because you box out (one of the first things you learn in basketball) doesn't mean that you're a good rebounder or good player. Like I said....KH was a serviceable big man. Averaged 20 min a game roughly for his career. Let's call a spade a spade.
What I am saying is that it was not Kurt's job to be a 15 and 7 guy. There were far more talented players on the team to do that. Could KH have been a 15 and 7 guy? Probably not under the BG system, but if he were made the focus and had the right supporting players around him, it's possible, but we will never know and it's not worth arguing. He was a support player and did his job well. That makes him a good team player. He filled a roll.

Now, back to recruiting. I really just want a big guy who has the first instinct to dunk whenever he gets the ball in the paint. I want someone with that Dwight Howard/Blake Griffin approach. Having their talent level is probably too much to ask, but I would really like someone with a "stop me from dunking if you can" attitude. Being a great free throw shooter would also complement that attitude. I'd settle for serviceable to the point of not being a liability late in the game.
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What I am saying is that it was not Kurt's job to be a 15 and 7 guy. There were far more talented players on the team to do that. Could KH have been a 15 and 7 guy? Probably not under the BG system, but if he were made the focus and had the right supporting players around him, it's possible, but we will never know and it's not worth arguing. He was a support player and did his job well. That makes him a good team player. He filled a roll.

Now, back to recruiting. I really just want a big guy who has the first instinct to dunk whenever he gets the ball in the paint. I want someone with that Dwight Howard/Blake Griffin approach. Having their talent level is probably too much to ask, but I would really like someone with a "stop me from dunking if you can" attitude. Being a great free throw shooter would also complement that attitude. I'd settle for serviceable to the point of not being a liability late in the game.
HaHa! It wasn't Kurt's job to be a 15 and 7 guy? If someone is CAPABLE of getting 15 and 7 it's ALWAYS going to be their job. He just wasn't capable of it.
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Matt Schwade said is was this kid:

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Did everyone look at his stats? WOW I know a little bit about Wilmington, their best player is probably a top 150 guard about 6'3" who is a very good defensive player. This guy put 41 on them and is shooting about 60% from the field. If he is a good guy with a handle he souinds tooooo goooood to pass up
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And he has zero D-1 offers because.....
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And he has zero D-1 offers because.....
Probably a great shooter with low end athleticism.

Why do we need more guards? I want to hear about some recruits over 6'7"
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Probably a great shooter with low end athleticism.

Why do we need more guards? I want to hear about some recruits over 6'7"
Really, he has Marcus Johnson athleticism for your info
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Why do we need more guards? I want to hear about some recruits over 6'7"
Because Vee Sanford will have graduated and Jordan Sibert will be a Sr.

Once Sibert has graduated, what guard on our roster do you expect to be a big time scorer? Here are your choices - defensive specialist Kyle Davis, point guards Khari Price and Scoochie Smith, or the total unknown at this point of incoming freshman Darrell Davis.

Darrell sounds like he could be that so at most I think you've got one scorer, while at worst you've got zero. As much as we all want a great big man, in this guard-dominated league we have to have guards who can score the ball consistently.

We've got our center rcruit - McElvane. We're good at the PG position. With Pierre and Robinson and Scott and Pollard, we've got some size and muscle.

I don't know anything about this kid from Trotwood Madison or if he's talented enough to play for UD, but if he's a good scoring shooting guard, I don't see how you could question the need at that position.

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Really, he has Marcus Johnson athleticism for your info
Okay, I looked him up and you're right. Everyone seems to love the athleticism. An excerpt from the DDN in June of 2013:

There’s no questioning Dezhontae Bennett’s athleticism. You don’t average 10.3 rebounds per game at 6-foot-2, as the Trotwood-Madison rising senior did last season, without springy legs.

“He’s crazy athletic. It’s explosive. He goes up so fast and you know he’s going to dunk it,” said Trotwood coach Rocky Rockhold.

Still, while Division II schools are all over him, the big boys share a common question about how his game would translate to Division I.

"They all ask the same question: what position is he going to play? And my answer is always the same. He’s just a basketball player,” Rockhold said.

Bennett’s spending the summer working on his perimeter game in an effort to show scouts he’s a good enough shooter and ballhandler to spend a scholarship on. Wright State and Bowling Green are among those keeping tabs on his progress.

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Originally Posted by jack72 View Post
Probably a great shooter with low end athleticism.

Why do we need more guards? I want to hear about some recruits over 6'7"
A guy with low end athleticism does not have the blocked shot stats or rebound stats this guy has. Of course I do realize that high school stat keepers are sometimes a bit too generous.

I did see about one half of a game of this guy in action, in the Piqua game, which obviously was his worse scoring game of the season. Besides foul trouble that game, and this is purely a guess on my part, but I think the kid was not feeling well based on the frequent substitutions to get water. From what I saw he was trying to hustle, but appeared to be winded a few times. I seriously doubt that that is the norm for someone putting up these kind of numbers.
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Did everyone look at his stats? WOW I know a little bit about Wilmington, their best player is probably a top 150 guard about 6'3" who is a very good defensive player. This guy put 41 on them and is shooting about 60% from the field. If he is a good guy with a handle he souinds tooooo goooood to pass up
Check out these stats he put up last week --

Dezhontae Bennett, Trotwood-Madison: Senior had 38 points, 15 blocks and 12 rebounds in a 106-50 win over Vandalia Butler. Also had 24 points, 10 rebounds and six blocks in 98-77 win over Fairmont.

I think part of the "What Position Does He Play" talk could be because of all the blocked shots. What do you make of a little guy who can actually protect that paint with the athleticism to swat shots away?
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I seem to recall not too long ago a thread about UD not getting any local talent. To me based on stats alone, this kid might be a good one to take a chance on.

Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't Norris Cole not good enough to go to UD either?
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IT sounds like he is undersized for a '2' guard but I would rather have a tremendous player who is 2-3 inches short than a cookie cutter guy with average athleticism. I agree with others who would take a chance.
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Originally Posted by Atlantic 10 View Post
Really, he has Marcus Johnson athleticism for your info
I stand corrected. My guess was wrong.

Sort of strange. This kid puts up huge numbers and the only knock is what position will he play? He has Marcus Johnson athleticism and puts up numbers way beyond what Marcus did in high school... sign him up. With so many teams playing 3 guards at a time, he would be a good get.
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What's not to like? Unlike most of our current guards, he looksa like he can shoot a 10'-12' jumper.
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Because Vee Sanford will have graduated and Jordan Sibert will be a Sr.

Once Sibert has graduated, what guard on our roster do you expect to be a big time scorer? Here are your choices - defensive specialist Kyle Davis, point guards Khari Price and Scoochie Smith, or the total unknown at this point of incoming freshman Darrell Davis.

Darrell sounds like he could be that so at most I think you've got one scorer, while at worst you've got zero. As much as we all want a great big man, in this guard-dominated league we have to have guards who can score the ball consistently.

We've got our center rcruit - McElvane. We're good at the PG position. With Pierre and Robinson and Scott and Pollard, we've got some size and muscle.
Scoochie and Darrell will both be scorers, and Price, with good knees and as a senior, will put up some points. Also we could have an incoming shooting guard or transfer in two years. I will ask you the same question. In two years who will score at 3,4 or 5? Scott, Robinson, Alex, Kendall or Steve? I do not like what I see there. There is only Pierre and maybe Alex. As I have pointed out several times this year, I am worried about next year. Who is replacing Oliver's points? After the last few games, who is replacing Kav's points?
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What's not to like? Unlike most of our current guards, he looks like he can shoot a 10'-12' jumper.
His shot is way better in form than Marcus. He has a high release, great arch and good rotation.
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Because Vee Sanford will have graduated and Jordan Sibert will be a Sr.

Once Sibert has graduated, what guard on our roster do you expect to be a big time scorer? Here are your choices - defensive specialist Kyle Davis, point guards Khari Price and Scoochie Smith, or the total unknown at this point of incoming freshman Darrell Davis.

Darrell sounds like he could be that so at most I think you've got one scorer, while at worst you've got zero. As much as we all want a great big man, in this guard-dominated league we have to have guards who can score the ball consistently.

We've got our center rcruit - McElvane. We're good at the PG position. With Pierre and Robinson and Scott and Pollard, we've got some size and muscle.

I don't know anything about this kid from Trotwood Madison or if he's talented enough to play for UD, but if he's a good scoring shooting guard, I don't see how you could question the need at that position.
Agreed. With schollys to offer and only 2 new bodies slated for next year to replace DMO, Vee, & Kavs, they have the capacity to add another frosh for next year. And if he has any kind of a handle and a work ethic, he could be a good get. Haven't seen him, but he does seem to be a stat sheet stuffer. Worth a look, anyway.
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My guess is they look at filling the spot for a big first. Lot of coaches on the hot seat and that could open up opportunity to re-recruit some kids. 5th year seniors a possibility as well.
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With all the members of the flight club graduated, I for one miss the occassional dunk that used to get the Arena rocking. This kid can create his own shot and those type players are few and far between. Dezhontae, at 6'2", would have to play 2 guard but, as far as I am concerned, you can never have too many guards. There is always a need for a scorer who can also block shots on defense.

I agree what's not to like and think he is worth taking a chance on. Then for 2015 go after 6'5" Kyle Ahrens SG from Versailles HS as I'm sure his broken leg will heal fine.
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I will ask you the same question. In two years who will score at 3,4 or 5? Scott, Robinson, Alex, Kendall or Steve? I do not like what I see there. There is only Pierre and maybe Alex. As I have pointed out several times this year, I am worried about next year. Who is replacing Oliver's points? After the last few games, who is replacing Kav's points?
It's a good point. With two available scholarships, UD should consider taking both a guard and forward if there'a player available they really like. But to answer your question, in two years at least we can be confident that Dyshawn Pierre as a senior will be able to score. And Jalen and Scott are much better than they're playing now. They'll get you Kavs points in their junior and senior season at the very least.
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Sidenote - of course Norris Cole's name was going to be brought up. Every year there are at least a half dozen Dayton kids without big scholarship offers, some of whom can't even crack lineups at division 2 schools, who were all at one time compared to Norris Cole! This kid could be something - I don't know - but I just find it humorous how everyone is looking for the next Norris Cole.

Anyway, does anyone know how serious the coaching staff is about this kid? Just because he was at a game doesn't suggest an offer is coming.
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I like the kid. He has superb elevation on his jump shot. He works hard on defense and can hit the open J. With that kind of athleticism and working hard on defense...take him.
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Sidenote - of course Norris Cole's name was going to be brought up. Every year there are at least a half dozen Dayton kids without big scholarship offers, some of whom can't even crack lineups at division 2 schools, who were all at one time compared to Norris Cole! This kid could be something - I don't know - but I just find it humorous how everyone is looking for the next Norris Cole.

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First time I have ever brought the name up. In fact, I do not recall seeing anyone else ever use his name for comparison sake either, until today.

I would love to know who the other 5 Dayton area kids are, and who is comparing them to Norris Cole. Maybe I missed some real talent in the area this year.
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With all the members of the flight club graduated, I for one miss the occassional dunk that used to get the Arena rocking. This kid can create his own shot and those type players are few and far between. Dezhontae, at 6'2", would have to play 2 guard but, as far as I am concerned, you can never have too many guards. There is always a need for a scorer who can also block shots on defense.

I agree what's not to like and think he is worth taking a chance on. Then for 2015 go after 6'5" Kyle Ahrens SG from Versailles HS as I'm sure his broken leg will heal fine.
Was a clean break, he should be good to go for AAU, as surgery was not required. Izzo also went to his house and offered him to go to Michigan State. Not sure if that's what he wants to do or not, but I have heard that he would like to go to Ohio State. They also have a couple of guys coming in these next two years that play the SG/SF position and are recruiting others rated higher. So I dont know if an offer from them is likely or not.
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Was a clean break, he should be good to go for AAU, as surgery was not required..
I heard the same. He has already been allowed to start running again.
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First time I have ever brought the name up. In fact, I do not recall seeing anyone else ever use his name for comparison sake either, until today.

I would love to know who the other 5 Dayton area kids are, and who is comparing them to Norris Cole. Maybe I missed some real talent in the area this year.
I wasn't trying to pick on ya. My point was just that it amuses me. Not to complain. It's not a bad comparison by any means. It's a fine comparison in many ways - same position, size, late bloomer, from the same city. It's just that I see his name thrown around a lot. Did a quick search to make sure it wasn't just a figment of my imagination, and 40 different threads came up with "Norris Cole" in them!
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Norris Cole.
I brought up Norris Cole, not because I think this kid is or could be the next Norris Cole but because he did not get any D1 offers. I have no idea if he has upside talent. I do believe we need to find under the radar kids and take some chances. Not on everyone but on one every other year or so.

I think if we keep getting the kids that are just below the top, we run the risk of too many kids at that level and they have expectations to get PT right away, It is okay to have a project or 2 to develop.
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I don't know about that kid, but I think they need another point gaurd, unless they fill comfortable with either Kyle or Darryl Davis filling in at PG. With Price's knee issues, you might be facing some games w/ no true PG backup for Scoochie, unless either of the Davis' can fill that role.

With Sibert being a senior next season, picking up another gaurd in this class isn't a bad idea. Right now Pollard is primarily playing the face up 4 spot, so who is going to provide relief for Pierre at the 3 spot? I envision a bunch of 3 gaurd lineups next season when Pierre is on the bench, with either Darryl Davis or Sibert sliding out to the 3 spot during that stretch.

As far as this kids' height goes, 6'-2" doesn't bother me a bunch of the A-10 level assuming he has the athleticism that people say he does. It probably hinders his ability to play in the NBA some day (and that would assume he develops a game good enough to begin with), but on the college level it won't be too much of a problem. 6'-2" and the ability to block shots, grab rebounds tells me that despite his height, he's not afraid to mix it up amongst bigger bodies.
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They need a guard and a forward who can play on the perimeter with the two open scholarships.
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Bennett from Trotwood

OK, a good friend has seen Bennett play multiple times against his sons team over the last several years. My friend knows I am a Flyer fan, and here was his quote.

"Bennett is very good at creating shots and scoring opportunities, he reminds me of that kid who played for UD years ago, Chapman was it?"
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OK, a good friend has seen Bennett play multiple times against his sons team over the last several years. My friend knows I am a Flyer fan, and here was his quote.

"Bennett is very good at creating shots and scoring opportunities, he reminds me of that kid who played for UD years ago, Chapman was it?"
So Bennett reminds the guy of Chapman, huh? No, that doesn't put any pressure on the kid.

In all seriousness, though, there have been some really good teams in the A-10 over the years that have used 3-guard lineups with great frequency. SLU & VCU, two of the best teams in the league this year, both have 6 guys averaging 20+ minutes/game, and in both cases, 4 of the 6 are 6'5" or shorter. And Butler often had 3 guys 6'4" or shorter on the floor at the same time during Stevens' heyday, and it didn't seem to hurt them much.

If Bennett has the athleticism, and the work ethic to develop his game, he could play the 2 or, in this league, the 3. And if he has no "character" issues, then he could be a really good fit. Certainly worth a look.
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Bennett went for 24 in a 100-56 T-M win over Troy:

Linky: http://tdn-net.com/news/sports/37271...-much-Trotwood

I have started an "Official Dazhontae Bennett Thread" since this kid is obviously worth it.
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Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 View Post
So Bennett reminds the guy of Chapman, huh? No, that doesn't put any pressure on the kid.

In all seriousness, though, there have been some really good teams in the A-10 over the years that have used 3-guard lineups with great frequency. SLU & VCU, two of the best teams in the league this year, both have 6 guys averaging 20+ minutes/game, and in both cases, 4 of the 6 are 6'5" or shorter. And Butler often had 3 guys 6'4" or shorter on the floor at the same time during Stevens' heyday, and it didn't seem to hurt them much.

If Bennett has the athleticism, and the work ethic to develop his game, he could play the 2 or, in this league, the 3. And if he has no "character" issues, then he could be a really good fit. Certainly worth a look.
One of the keys of the three guard lineup is to have an excellent defensive center and/or power forward.
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So Bennett reminds the guy of Chapman, huh? No, that doesn't put any pressure on the kid.

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Yea, maybe I should have kept that opinion to myself

Or just dont tell Bennett who Chapman is and let him write his own page in our history books!
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Dayton & Utah State have offered 2014 New Hampton (NH) guard Aubrey Dawkins.
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What I'm finding is ... for Aubrey

6 5"
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From California. Anyone else got something?
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Johnny Dawkins' son. That has to count for something.
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6 5"
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From California. Anyone else got something?
Has two other offers: Utah State and Cal Poly
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It appears Dawkins only previous offer might be Cal Poly. Sound like a kid who sprang up in height and is still adjusting to his body, and needs to gain weight. Good size, but not a great outside shooter. His Dad has not offered, but he may not even want to play for Dad. He graduated in Cal and is playing an extra year in prep. Rumor is he has qualified.

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OK, so he can dunk. He also seems to have some ability to hit outside shots. Can't tell if he can defend or has a handle. Gotta admit, though, there's a good bloodline. Was always a fan of his dad.
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it sounds like a 2/3 is the priority.

I'll say this for Bennett. If he can play the 3 and defend a Ron Roberts/Mumford/Bigger guard/wing sign me up
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Report from earlier this month at http://roundballrundownreport.com/

The son of another coach, Aubrey Dawkins was a giant standout and breakout performer over the weekend in Providence. Sporting a quality physique and playmaking abilities at the tin, the one question mark surrounding the North Carolina native has always been in his shot making from behind the arc. The son of Stanford head coach, Johnny Dawkins, the younger Dawkins erased all questions surrounding his long range attempt and in his final outing in Rhode Island, hit on four 3’s and at one time, had scored 28 of his squad’s 52 points. The senior is a well-rounded individual with a high end intellect, both on and off the floor, and brings an added wealth to the APR structure that frightens so many college coaches surrounding a program’s cumulative GPA. The New Hampton Prep senior currently holds eight low and mid-major offers, though has recently been in touch with Boston College and VCU. Dawkins seems like a definite mid-major plus recruit, at the very least, and would really excel in an appropriate system in a conference like the Atlantic 10 next year.
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OK, so he can dunk. He also seems to have some ability to hit outside shots. Can't tell if he can defend or has a handle. Gotta admit, though, there's a good bloodline. Was always a fan of his dad.
From what I have read it sounds like Dawkins can play and defend the 1-3 positions. On paper, I think he's a perfect fit. Dayton would have great use for another guard who can score next year. They lose versatility, perimeter size and scoring next year when Devin and Vee graduate so a guy like this makes a lot of sense. A smart kid, and a coaches son, with NBA bloodlines... That sounds pretty good.
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Does UD men's bball do any recruiting overseas? It would seem that there might be an opportunity to pick up a skilled big guy with a little less competition. But, we do thankfully have Steve coming in next year.
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Does UD men's bball do any recruiting overseas? It would seem that there might be an opportunity to pick up a skilled big guy with a little less competition. But, we do thankfully have Steve coming in next year.
I think overseas recruiting you need to have some kind of contact/connections over there. Majerus at St Louis got the Aussies and the Kiwi through one of his assistants who's Australian. That assistant left, went to Nebraska and delivered them a player from New Zealand.
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Scratch big man Anas Osama Mahmoud--he's headed to Lullvile:

http://verbalcommits.com/players/anas-osama-mahmoud
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I saw former Flyer target Kedar Edwards is headed to Florida State after going the JuCo route for a year.

He would have looked good in red and blue.
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News about former recruit Olivier Hanlan considering a jump to the NBA(!?). Meanwhile, Steve Donahue is likely to join other wunderkinds like Keno Davis & John Pelphrey in the scrapyard of coaches who jumped at the first "big time" program that offered them, only to be chewed up and spit out like $3 steak gristle.

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News about former recruit Olivier Hanlan considering a jump to the NBA(!?). Meanwhile, Steve Donahue is likely to join other wunderkinds like Keno Davis & John Pelphrey in the scrapyard of coaches who jumped at the first "big time" program that offered them, only to be chewed up and spit out like $3 steak gristle.

http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcspor...oston-college/
I like the gristle. On a Ribeye i save it for last.

Back during the Civil War the fat on meat was reserved for the Generals and other officers as it fattened you up for cold weather and it was tasty........

But i digress.

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I like the gristle. On a Ribeye i save it for last.

Back during the Civil War the fat on meat was reserved for the Generals and other officers as it fattened you up for cold weather and it was tasty........

But i digress.

Go Flyers, Beat Fordham.
So... during conferences at meal time, they chewed the fat?
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So... during conferences at meal time, they chewed the fat?

I see what you did there Fair.

You took something that could mean two things, entered it into your statement, thus making it funny.

I like your style
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While the iron is hot and THE University of Dayton is in the national limelight, we need to maximize our opportunity to talk to a top recruit. The Dallas News writes "Myles Turner, Euless Trinity, Sr. C, 6'11", Stats: The District 6-5A MVP averaged a double-double with 18.1 points and 12.2 rebounds. He also added 6.8 blocks and 3.5 assists per game. Did you know? Turner, a McDonald's All American, is the top uncommitted recruit in the nation. He is ranked second in the 2014 class by Scout and ESPN." So, Archie Miller, after the season is over, needs to catch the next flight to Dallas, Texas and talk to this guy. What's the worst that the guy can say? Take a risk! You never know until you ask.
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I like the enthusiasm, but I think that time would be better spent on 4 star recruits we might actually get instead of the 5 star ones that are going BCS.
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I like the enthusiasm, but I think that time would be better spent on 4 star recruits we might actually get instead of the 5 star ones that are going BCS.
Spot on comment. One of the problems that JOB had was his recruiting strategy. He went after some very high level recruits and whiffed on almost all of them. He wasted a lot of time and didn't have a plan B. BG did the same but often had a plan B. OP rarely went after the top recruits, rather finding pieces/parts to fit into his system.

AM has shown me that he has a plan when it comes to recruiting. Hopefully this will open some doors so I get the excitement to chase after the top recruit still on the board but it doesn't help unless you land the guy. Go after guys you can land. A top 5 recruit from Dallas isn't that kind of guy in my opinion.
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Hey Luke, which Ohio team is on your short list? Want to shock the world?
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Are we allowed to retweet the tweets of recruits? Don't want to cause some crazy NCAA violation.
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You never know about the NCAA and some of the really stupid rules. But I don't see how. A tweet from anyone is public information.

Tweeting, texting or messaging a recruit directly would likely be a violation. But retweeting what someone said in a public forum wouldn't seem like it. Especially if you aren't a season ticket holder whose seat fees make them a booster.
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While the iron is hot and THE University of Dayton is in the national limelight, we need to maximize our opportunity to talk to a top recruit. The Dallas News writes "Myles Turner, Euless Trinity, Sr. C, 6'11", Stats: The District 6-5A MVP averaged a double-double with 18.1 points and 12.2 rebounds. He also added 6.8 blocks and 3.5 assists per game. Did you know? Turner, a McDonald's All American, is the top uncommitted recruit in the nation. He is ranked second in the 2014 class by Scout and ESPN." So, Archie Miller, after the season is over, needs to catch the next flight to Dallas, Texas and talk to this guy. What's the worst that the guy can say? Take a risk! You never know until you ask.
Turner tweeted that he was "a Day 1 Dayton fan" after beating Cuse. So there's that. There is speculation that he'll stay in Dallas at SMU.
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While the iron is hot and THE University of Dayton is in the national limelight, we need to maximize our opportunity to talk to a top recruit. The Dallas News writes "Myles Turner, Euless Trinity, Sr. C, 6'11", Stats: The District 6-5A MVP averaged a double-double with 18.1 points and 12.2 rebounds. He also added 6.8 blocks and 3.5 assists per game. Did you know? Turner, a McDonald's All American, is the top uncommitted recruit in the nation. He is ranked second in the 2014 class by Scout and ESPN." So, Archie Miller, after the season is over, needs to catch the next flight to Dallas, Texas and talk to this guy. What's the worst that the guy can say? Take a risk! You never know until you ask.
You do know the final four is being played in North Texas just north of Dallas. Going to fly there anyway so why not visit with the young man. (Not counting my chickens; win or lose AM will more than likely attend the big party).
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Kennard is announcing tonight, per the DDN.
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Kennard is announcing tonight, per the DDN.
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Duke, OSU, UK, and scUM as his four finalists..
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Luke Kennard just told me - "I think people will be surprised. I've been leaning this way for a while." Uh oh!

He's gotta be talking about us right? Right? I really dont care where he goes, just hope it isnt Ohio State.
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You do know the final four is being played in North Texas just north of Dallas. Going to fly there anyway so why not visit with the young man. (Not counting my chickens; win or lose AM will more than likely attend the big party).
not sure this is an open contact period? I am sure plenty of coaches will be looking to do just that if so. If Dayton somehow manages to win two more games, oh man... I don't know how the heck I am going to get tickets, but I will find a way. Maybe pose as the pizza delivery guy with the post-game dance party pizzas. I am willing to get creative.
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You never know about the NCAA and some of the really stupid rules. But I don't see how. A tweet from anyone is public information.

Tweeting, texting or messaging a recruit directly would likely be a violation. But retweeting what someone said in a public forum wouldn't seem like it. Especially if you aren't a season ticket holder whose seat fees make them a booster.
So if you happen to have a degree from Xavier but grew up in Dayton and have UD loyalties you could tweet some recruits in order to rack up a violation for Xavier? Sounds like a pretty good deal.
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Any theories on how the Stanford game affects the recruiting of Aubrey Dawkins? I think he could be a stud. It has to be awkward going into the home of another head coach to recruit. And I think coaches probably don't know whether to spend the energy on a guy, who might just decide to play for his dad. So I can see how a guy like this is under-recruited. Particularly amongst the west coast schools that typically are going up against Stanford in recruiting battles.
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