Games of note:

[CE80]

Originally Posted by cj He never said the referee was correct. He was explaining the rule and what probably happened so that the ref did not blow his whistle. Got a "rollo" issue that you need to deal with?

Anybody messing with Rollo has to go through cj.

I know it is another thread but something reminded me of the Seinfeld episode

George vs. the Geriatic bke gang

[rollo]

Originally Posted by CE80 Anybody messing with Rollo has to go through cj.

Oh boy, that makes me feel safe...I hope he's packing a kitten, too. Both are equally intimidating!

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by jack72 Compare Peyton Manning's first three years to Dalton's. I guess that is why the Colts jettisoned Peyton.

Meanwhile, here are tonight's results for games of note.

OOC opponents:

Illinois State (8-7) toasted at #6 Wichita State (16-0), 66-47.
Miami (OH) (5-7) wins at Central Michigan (7-6), 77-70.
Winthrop (7-6) with a road win at Presbyterian (4-12), 71-67.
Murray State (8-7) wins on the road at Eastern Kentucky (10-6), 77-64.

A-10 results:

St Joe's (9-5) loses narrowly at #19 U-Mass (13-1), 66-62.
Fordham (7-7) with a road loss at Duquesne (8-5), 81-87.
Richmond (10-6) loses at St Bonaventure (11-4), 70-84

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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

[Medford]

back to the topic at hand:

Auburn @ Ole Miss (-11.5)
George Mason @ VCU (-15.5)
North Dakota St @ IPFW (+5)
STF(Pa) @ Bryant
LIU-Brooklyn @ STF(NY)
GW @ LaSalle (-2.5) (NBCsports @ 8:00)
Arizona St @ USC (+3)
Cal @ Oregon (-9)
Gonzaga @ Portland (+8.5)

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[sheg]

I'm as big of a Bengals fan as anybody, but can we keep it on topic?

[Alberto Strasse]

Strong road win for the Racers should benefit UD.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by steve Nobody "single-handedly" lost that game. If you can't understand that then not sure what to tell you.

There is an "off-topic" forum just a click away.
Since this forum is called "men's basketball" maybe you could move your Bengal rants over there . . .
I'll even start a thread for ya.

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[Medford]

please move on to the off topic discussion if you wish to continue your Andy Dalton discussion.

[San Diego Flyer]

steve, longtimefan, and ud2 could you please honor the thread subject. This thread is very useful each day to give us the results and the games ahead. It is non-productive to click on the subject only to discover a pis*ing contest on a totally irrelevant subject to this one.

Take up your dispute on the Obama thread, that one is accustomed to diversion. Geez.

[steve]

My apologies guys...

[ud2]

Originally Posted by steve Hum, that's kind of incorrect.....Only one happened (1st pick) inside "their own 27", even if that's a legitimate statement on your part. The fumble occurred outside "their own" 40-45 or so. The 2nd pick happened around the "SD 30-35" or so. You do know the difference between their own and the opponents own yard line? Yes, AD deserves blame just as the OL/DL/RB/WR/LB'S do "equally". The WR and the RB caused a "minimum" loss of 11 points with drops for simple TD's and because Bernard dropped another 15-20 yard pass in the 4th quarter that would have been converted into a 1st down well inside the SD 30 yard line.. The DL/LB's surrendered over 200 yards rushing and got pushed around like a HS team. The DE Dunlop whiffed on a simple in-the-grasp 3rd down sack that let Rivers escape and complete a 1st down pass to the 10 yard line. That's another 4 points given away versus holding SD to a FG there instead of the 7 they scored on. Now, do you see where this is going when you actually review the plays and assess objectively?

Read my reply in the Off Topic Gibberish section.

http://www.udpride.com/forums/showth...943#post331943

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 Read my reply in the Off Topic Gibberish section. http://www.udpride.com/forums/showth...943#post331943

Thank you a thousand times ud2.

[Swampy Meadows]

Meanwhile, back to other games of interest:

GW falls to LaSalle on the road, 76-72.

And so it begins!

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[1903 Flyer]

No surprise...VCU over Mason by 14.

Big surprise...Depaul over Butler in 2OT.

[bobber]

I think Butler is going to miss Brad Stevens sooner rather than later. Kellen Dunham kept the Bulldogs in the game with a sensational second half from long distance. But eventually OP's guys were too big and fast and they prevailed.

I also saw where Butler recently got its first '14 recruit to commit. He's a C/F from Northwest Indiana. Wish I could say I was impressed. I was not, nor were the scouting services. And yes, I know the Butler way is to recruit under-recruited role players and make them into a team. Stevens did that for years. Can his successor do the same?

More importantly, will that tactic work successfully at a higher level than the Horizon League?

[shocka43]

Zags getting busted by Portland....down by 17 with 6 min to go....

Zags ranked at 22 will be no longer after this L...

[shocka43]

Portland is fundamentally sound...they look like a squared away team beating a press like you are taught in middle school.

[bobber]

Arizona State is squashing USC on their home court. How did we not beat USC by double digits? Seriously!!!!!

But on the good side, Cal seems on its way to beating (over rated) No 17 Oregon convincingly "In the Woods."

PS.. Being retired has it's advantages, especially on these late-night west coast games.

[Viperstick]

Zags go down to Portland 82-73. Dang.

[bobber]

I an still trying to understand how we let this USC team that I saw tonight beat us at home.

They have a 7 footer. He isn't that good. They aren't that good. We played to their level.

If we do this in the A10.....(play to the level of our competition)......we are in for some major troubles. Plus a trip to the NIT, if we're lucky.

[Glen Clark]

Games of interest . . .

A-10 results (bad night for the Georges):

George Mason (7-8) goes down at VCU (13-3), 57-71.
George Washington (12-3) loses at La Salle (8-6), 72-76.

Other Flyer foes:

St Francis (PA) (1-12) with another exercise in futility, losing at Bryant (9-7), 67-77.
LIU Brooklyn (5-9) the loser at St Francis (NY) (10-6), 64-78.
N Dakota St (11-5) with the loss at IPFW (13-5), 71-82.
Auburn (8-4) loses at Ole Miss (10-4), 62-65.
#22 Gonzaga (14-3) with a road loss at Portland (10-7) 73-82.
Arizona St (13-3) with an easy road win at USC (9-6), 79-60.
California (11-4) wins on the road at #17 Oregon (13-2), 96-83.

From the "teams we like to see lose" department:

Marquette (9-7) the loser at Xavier (13-3), 79-86. Different conference, but the same home cookin' at Cintas:
Marquette called for 28 fouls, went 10-13 at the line.
Xavier whistled for 16 fouls and made 32 out of 41 free throws.
And as noted previously, DePaul (9-8) with a double overtime win at Butler (10-5), 99-94.

That's it for tonight

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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Marquette (9-7) the loser at Xavier (13-3), 79-86.

While I'd love to see both teams lose, seeing the Golden Schmucks from Kielbasa-burg move further away from the NCAA is extremely enjoyable.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by Viperstick While I'd love to see both teams lose, seeing the Golden Schmucks from Kielbasa-burg move further away from the NCAA is extremely enjoyable.

Marquette was supposed to be a top 25 team before the season, and now has fallen out of the top 100 rpi according to the UDPride RPI tracker. It looks like they will be fortunate to make the NIT this year.

And Butler losing to DePaul at home is very ugly. That is a killer.

[rollo]

Am I the only person here that goes to bed before 10:00 pm?

[priceg75]

I fell asleep DURING the DePaul/Butler second OT. So no, you are not. I was really glad to hear about the Cal win over Oregon though. Was hoping for that to be the big result of the night.

[westchesterflyer]

Originally Posted by rollo Am I the only person here that goes to bed before 10:00 pm?

No you're not

[Sea Bass]

Butler is 0-3 with two losses at home. Small fish big pond.

[Medford]

a note on the Ole Miss game, Marshall Henderson sat this game out as part of his suspension handed down prior to the start of the season, he missed their first game of the year, and will sit out the first 2 conference games, so he won't be playing this weekend as well.

In other areas, it was discussed in the CBS bracketology page when some thought it was silly for Palm to have Louisville as an 8 seed. They lost at home to Memphis last night, which means they still haven't really accomplished anything of note this season, a win over a good Southern Miss team at home, then a handful of 75+ rpi wins on their home court.

[Medford]

tonight:

Fairfield @ Iona (-4.5)

Light night, Wright State is at Valpo on ESPNU @ 9:00. I don't think WSU has won a road game this season, Valpo is favored by 6 if anyone cares to watch.

[Medford]

Saturday:

Notre Dame @ GTech (UD needs GTech to start winning some home games so they're not buried at the bottom of the ACC)
St Bonnies @ UMass
StF(Pa) @ Central Conn. St
TCU @ Baylor
Charelston Southern @ Winthrop
STF(NY) @ Mount St Mary's
Rhody @ GW
Ole Miss @ Miss St
Hampton @ Delaware St
Central Michigan @ Toledo
Richmond @ Fordham
S Dakota St @ IPFW
Cal @ Oregon St (ESPNU @ 8:00)
Saint Joes @ George Mason (CBSSN @ 8:00)
Loyola - Chicago @ Illinois St
Austin Peay @ Murray St

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

[dnutz77]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Butler is 0-3 with two losses at home. Small fish big pond.

Think Butler might be seeing the result of Brad Stevens leaving to coach the Celtics.

[Whacker]

I went to the Butler vs X game (incognito of course) and was thoroughly unimpressed with Brandon Miller. The kids played like a typical Butler team - completely unflappable, tough D and ran their offense, but they didn't get any help from the bench.

Mack's gameplan was to double Dunham and feed Stainbrook in the post against their undersized front line - similar to what Ford did with Roberts. Dunham was completely negated and Miller had no answer. Didn't run anything for him on or off the ball.

Stainbrook ran roughshod inside and again he had no answer. He didn't double the post, front or go to zone. Nothing.

Somehow Butler kept is close, but down the stretch they didn't any decent shots. It was a shame, b/c the kids playeed really hard and it was obvious the Butler game plan needed some adjustments.

I think Butler might be in trouble long-term. It was reminded me of watching BGs team, except without the caliber of athlete to create havoc on the defensive side. Just kept tunning the same stuff over and over without decent results.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by dnutz77 Think Butler might be seeing the result of Brad Stevens leaving to coach the Celtics.

Loss of Rotnei Clarke and Andrew Smith didn't didn't help either.

[Alberto Strasse]

Portland's upset of Gonzaga hurts UD's RPI.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark From the "teams we like to see lose" department:

I know it is a day late but North Carolina losing at home (to Miami) always brightens my day.

[westchesterflyer]

I watched a good bit of the LaSalle/GW game. Not really impressed with either, but the announcers kept saying how the A 10 will be a slugfest. Also said making FT's is a must. Hope we're practicing!

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Glen Clark]

"Am I the only person here that goes to bed before 10:00 pm?"

I rarely go to bed before 1:00 AM . . .
(but us retired people get these things called naps)

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[San Diego Flyer]

We need to be forewarned. It's obvious that any visiting team with a gaudy record is often beaten by the home team that has at least a breakeven record.

There is an incredible amount of parity out there in D1 teams, RPI's and records notwithstanding. Sometimes it seems that SOS might be a better clue as to the games outcome than RPI.

Our record and our sexy wins are going to be thrown in the face of every A10 player we are about to face. Are we ready for it?

My guess on Butler is that they will be as good going forward as Dayton has been for the last 15 years, but not as good as Butler has been of late. It's tough sledding to get to the top and stay there.

I root for anyone (yes, even X) who is playing Marquette.

[UDDoug]

Originally Posted by bobber I an still trying to understand how we let this USC team that I saw tonight beat us at home. They have a 7 footer. He isn't that good. They aren't that good. We played to their level. If we do this in the A10.....(play to the level of our competition)......we are in for some major troubles. Plus a trip to the NIT, if we're lucky.

Combine poor defense, a couple lucky shots going down, and poor shooting and you can lose to just about anyone in D1. USC isn't very good and won't win many games in the PAC12.
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[TA111]

The Cal win at Oregon is much bigger than USC losing. Cal is now in the top 50 RPI, which now gives us 2 top 50 wins, which is much better than most on the bubble.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by Sea Bass Butler is 0-3 with two losses at home. Small fish big pond.

New coach.

[Sea Bass]

Originally Posted by Radar New coach.

if they were still in the Horizon they could win the league title even with the new coach.

[AQUDXU]

Originally Posted by UDDoug Combine poor defense, a couple lucky shots going down, and poor shooting and you can lose to just about anyone in D1. USC isn't very good and won't win many games in the PAC12. Posted via Mobile Device

I still think that we don't win the Ole Miss game if we don't lose the USC game.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by AQUDXU I still think that we don't win the Ole Miss game if we don't lose the USC game.

There is truth in that statement. Arch admitted the team learned a valuable lesson the hard way.

[Glen Clark]

In the only action involving a Flyer opponent tonight, Iona (7-7) won at home over Fairfield (3-13), 84-75.

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[Gazoo]

I think the NBE will ultimately be sorry they took a 1 trick pony in Butler. Took the emotional decision to vote for the recency effect.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Gazoo I think the NBE will ultimately be sorry they took a 1 trick pony in Butler. Took the emotional decision to vote for the recency effect.

I think they will regret Creighton more than Butler after the coaches son is gone.

[jack72]

Georgia Tech beats Notre Dame

[1903 Flyer]

Bona squanders a double-digit lead at UMass. No gimmes in this league.

...and Ga Tech beats ND

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[jack72]

GW up big at the half 37-13 versus RI

[Gilchrist's Autograph 2]

Originally Posted by jack72 GW up big at the half 37-13 versus RI

I think LaSalle must have made them mad - note to self: "don't make GW mad!"
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	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Avid Flyer]

Originally Posted by jack72 GW up big at the half 37-13 versus RI

RI is really bad ths year.

[1903 Flyer]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer RI is really bad ths year.

Despite their record I dread our trip there later this year. They played this SLU team tougher than we did, losing on the final possession.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer RI is really bad ths year.

RI is always really bad, and yet they seem to always beat us...

[mikeymo85]

this year is different

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer RI is really bad ths year.

St Louis @ RI . . . . . . W 59-58
St Louis @ Dayton . . . W 67-59

Yeah, they're really bad this year.
It's gonna be a war.
Every game.

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	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Glen Clark]

A-10 action tonight

In the one that counted, Dayton (12-4) fell at home to St Louis (15-2), 59-67.
Richmond (11-6) the winner in overtime at Fordham (7-8), 77-74.
St Joe's (10-5) with the road win at George Mason (7-9), 84-80.
St Bonaventure (11-5) loses at #19 U-Mass (14-1), 68-73.
Rhode Island (9-8) falls at George Washington (13-3), 56-69.

OOC opponents:

South Dakota St (9-8) loses at IPFW (14-5), 75-82.
St Francis (PA) (3-12) with a rare road win at Central Connecticut (4-11), 75-67.
St Francis (NY) (10-7) with a road loss at Mount St Mary's (5-10), 82-88.
Notre Dame (10-6) loses to Georgia Tech (10-6), 69-74.
TCU (9-6) with a 26 point loss at #7 Baylor (13-2), 62-88.
Cal (12-4) with a come from behind win at Oregon St (9-7), 88-83.
Hampton (8-8) the road winner at Delaware St (4-11), 73-60.
Loyola (Ill) (6-10) with a road loss at Illinois St (9-7), 50-59.
Central Michigan (7-7) loses at Toledo (13-2), 71-86.
Austin Peay (8-9) loses badly at Murray St (9-7), 89-67.
Charleston Southern (7-8) falls at Winthrop (8-6), 68-85.
Ole Miss (10-5) suffers a road loss at Mississippi St (11-4), 72-76.

At this point in the season, only four Flyer opponents have losing records, with two others right at .500:
St Francis (PA) (3-12)
Delaware St (4-11)
George Mason (7-9)
Fordham (7-8)
Central Michigan (7-7)
Iona (7-7).

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	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[FlyerGuyer]

How about them Cal Golden Bears? They won their first three PAC 12 games, all on the road. Impressive. They are up to 33 in the RPI. That might actually end up being one of our best wins from an RPI standpoint.

[UD90]

I was hoping Arch had called Sean and asked him to lay down for USC. They were only up 3 at half, but Arizona is blowing them out now as expected.

Come on Sean it won't hurt Arizona, but it would help us make that USC loss not look so bad.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer There is truth in that statement. Arch admitted the team learned a valuable lesson the hard way.

Hopefully, Saturday's game has them learning another lesson, and we can string-together a number of wins in a row!

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer How about them Cal Golden Bears? They won their first three PAC 12 games, all on the road. Impressive. They are up to 33 in the RPI. That might actually end up being one of our best wins from an RPI standpoint.

Just so their strength doesn't come back to bite us later in the year. Let's say our Flyers right the ship and get back on the good side of the NCAA equation, but they're still on the bubble. Let's also say that Cal winds-up on the bubble as well, with a similar RPI. If history's any indication, The Committee might be tempted to take the state school from the big-time football conference, as opposed to the private school from the "mid-major" conference.



I'm not saying...I'm just saying...

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Viperstick While I'd love to see both teams lose, seeing the Golden Schmucks from Kielbasa-burg move further away from the NCAA is extremely enjoyable.

That XU-MU game was sort of like last year's Super Bowl for me. Couldn't stand Ray Lewis. Can't stand Jim Harbaugh. Wanted both the Ravens and the Niners to lose. In this case, it's probably best if the team that's more "on the bubble" took the L. Fewer NBE teams in the March Madness discussion that way.

Oh...did I say that out loud?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[Glen Clark]

Four Flyer foes played last night.

In the A-10, La Salle (9-6) won easily at Duquesne (8-6), 75-56.

In non-conference action:

Dayton victim Iona (8-7) won at Siena (7-10), 87-78.
Arizona (17-0) had no trouble with USC (9-7), 73-53.

From the 'teams we like to see lose' department:

Xavier (13-4) falls at Creighton (14-2), 89-95.
#23 Illinois (13-4) lost at unranked Northwestern (8-9), 43-49.

Other Top 25 teams losing this weekend:

#3 Ohio State (second straight loss)
#9 Iowa State
#15 Colorado
#16 Duke (again)
#17 Oregon (their third straight loss)
#25 Kansas State (to #18 Kansas)

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	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark From the 'teams we like to see lose' department: Xavier (13-4) falls at Creighton (14-2), 89-95. #23 Illinois (13-4) lost at unranked Northwestern (8-9), 43-49. ___________________ Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

We still hate Illinois?

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Radar]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer RI is always really bad, and yet they seem to always beat us...

...and beat us at home. And we play them twice. Yikes.

[NorthwestFlyer]

URI is not really bad and has not always been really bad. They had a great run just before 2000 making the Elite 8 and have 8 tourney appearances. They are an up and coming team this year, and they are particularly dangerous, especially for our history with them and our Jekyl and hyde performances. They have a good win at LSU and a few bad losses.

They seem to play to their opponents and rise to the occasion and choke when they absolutely shouldn't. Sounds kind of familiar.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by NorthwestFlyer URI is not really bad and has not always been really bad. They had a great run just before 2000 making the Elite 8 and have 8 tourney appearances. They are an up and coming team this year, and they are particularly dangerous, especially for our history with them and our Jekyl and hyde performances.

That was 15 years ago under the corrupt Jim Harrick. They haven't played in the NCAA tournament in 15 years. I do agree, however, that they are potentially up and coming, and they are always dangerous to us at least...

[ud2]

Originally Posted by FlyerGuyer That was 15 years ago under the corrupt Jim Harrick. They haven't played in the NCAA tournament in 15 years. I do agree, however, that they are potentially up and coming, and they are always dangerous to us at least...

They were also good under Al Skinner and Tom Penders. It wasn't just the Harrick era. Jim Baron didn't do as well as they had hoped.

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by ud2 They were also good under Al Skinner and Tom Penders. It wasn't just the Harrick era. Jim Baron didn't do as well as they had hoped.

Yeah, I remember they were pretty good in the 90s. I just rechecked the Jim Baron years, and they actually weren't as bad as I remember. Basically a mid-pack .500 A 10 team with a few NIT runs in there. So basically, about like us. Haha

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by longtimefan We still hate Illinois?

Ya sure - ya betcha!


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[Glen Clark]

The lone game involving a Flyer opponent went down to the wire tonight, with Delaware St (4-12) losing to visiting Norfolk St (10-7), 56-58.

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[Glen Clark]

Two games of interest tonight:

A battle of A-10 heavyweights as VCU (13-3) visits George Washington (13-3) . . .
and BG's Georgia Tech team (10-6) hosts #22 Pittsburgh (15-1).

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	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[Alberto Strasse]

I am watching GW-VCU and the home crowd at GW has UD arena beat every which way. The crowd is smaller but the atmosphere is electric and LOUD! So Far GW looks better than UD has been playing.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I am watching GW-VCU and the home crowd at GW has UD arena beat every which way. The crowd is smaller but the atmosphere is electric and LOUD! So Far GW looks better than UD has been playing.

GW/VCU..........wow!
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by bobber GW/VCU..........wow! Posted via Mobile Device

I like the new court design for GW with the Washington monument, the White House, and the Capital building.

http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/...l/7129138.jpeg


BTW, GW up 5, 67-62 with 3:29 to go.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/vcu-ra...-201401140227/

[ud2]

Wow, nice win for GW, 76-66. Looks like GW is for real.

[Sid Louick]

Flyers will have to be at their absolute best to compete with both GW and VCU. Bothe very physical and very quick. Their aggressiveness produces a lot of fouls -- poor foul shooting can put you out of the game very quick.

[Glen Clark]

Originally Posted by Sid Louick . . . poor foul shooting can put you out of the game very quick.

As can fouling out.

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[Glen Clark]

Tuesday games (1/14/14)

In A-10 action, a young George Washington team (14-3) got the crowd going while handling visiting VCU (13-4), 76-66.

The only other Flyer opponent in action was Georgia Tech (10-7) losing at home to #22 Pittsburgh (16-1), 81-74.

Kentucky was one of three Top 25 teams losing tonight - Wisconsin and Oklahoma were the other two - and the final shot bears watching (because that's what the Kentucky players were doing):

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400506360

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	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Glen Clark Tuesday games (1/14/14) In A-10 action, a young George Washington team (14-3) got the crowd going while handling visiting VCU (13-4), 76-66.

Everyone watching this game could see a home crowd and particularly students very into the game. I have not seen UMass at home on TV so I don't know what their crowd is like but even not including them, I think UD Arena and particularly its students may be 4th on the list of A10 home crowds.

1. VCU
2. SLU
3. GW
4. UD

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

	George Washington GEORGE WASHINGTON Students choose from two distinct GW campuses — Foggy Bottom and Mount Vernon. Both are located in historic and prestigious Northwest Washington, DC residential neighborhoods. With 9,700 undergraduate students, GW was founded almost 200 years ago and is named after the first President of the United States. GW stands as one of the nation's premier academic institutions with dozens of famous political, social, science, liberal arts, medical and professional graduates to its credit. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Colonials.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I am watching GW-VCU and the home crowd at GW has UD arena beat every which way. The crowd is smaller but the atmosphere is electric and LOUD! So Far GW looks better than UD has been playing.

Let's see. GW is back on track with a good winning record. They have one of the best teams in the league in VCU at their home court. They are leading most of the game, why wouldn't that place be rocking? Have you watched any other GW home games? Was it that intense for those too? (I haven't seen any other GW games.)

Wait until January 22nd, when VCU comes to UD Arena. If we are leading the entire game, I bet UD Arena will be rocking too.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Let's see. GW is back on track with a good winning record. They have one of the best teams in the league in VCU at their home court. They are leading most of the game, why wouldn't that place be rocking? Have you watched any other GW home games? Was it that intense for those too? (I haven't seen any other GW games.) Wait until January 22nd, when VCU comes to UD Arena. If we are leading the entire game, I bet UD Arena will be rocking too.

Normally, the Smith Center doesn't sell out, but it was for VCU. And interestingly, on TV you could see a large section of VCU fans at the game, and they were cheering like crazy too. After all, Richmond isn't that far from DC and I know the VCU people travel pretty well.

But yes, to second the point, "the place was rockin'."

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[flybye]

That was an exciting brand of basketball last nite. Both teams pressing and trapping and changing defenses all nite long. GW is an awful arena what the new coach has done in less than 3 years is made them good...fun to watch and turning them into a brand ala VCU that kids will want to come and play and the fans want to see.GW barring injury should be a NCAA team this year. So we get the chance to beat them at home. Be a great win. Arena was ready to rock on Sat, Archie said it on his show but we never made the key bucket or stop to get the crowd going.

[westchesterflyer]

Saw a bit of the St John's/DePaul game last night. Really good game. DePaul playing pretty well but the crowd is non-existant.

[ud2]

I watched some of the Marquette at Xavier game, I think that game was last week, Marquette looked fairly good/ok. Xavier won by 7. I'm going to the Xavier vs. Georgetown game tonight.

So far, I think if UD was in the NBE this year, that UD would be able to compete with those teams just fine.

I think the biggest difference between the two leagues is that the bottom of the A10 is worse than the bottom of the NBE. Pretty much all of the NBE teams are at least decent whereas some of the A10 teams at the bottom are bad.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by ud2 I watched some of the Marquette at Xavier game, I think that game was last week, Marquette looked fairly good/ok. Xavier won by 7. I'm going to the Xavier vs. Georgetown game tonight. So far, I think if UD was in the NBE this year, that UD would be able to compete with those teams just fine. I think the biggest difference between the two leagues is that the bottom of the A10 is worse than the bottom of the NBE. Pretty much all of the NBE teams are at least decent whereas some of the A10 teams at the bottom are bad.

Have to agree, Butler last in the NBE at 0-5, still has a 10-7 record. Bloom may be off the rose for the Bulldogs however, Blue Jays hammered them last night

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Fudd]

Originally Posted by UD62 Have to agree, Butler last in the NBE at 0-5, still has a 10-7 record. Bloom may be off the rose for the Bulldogs however, Blue Jays hammered them last night

If Butler keeps getting hammered in the NBE like this, they may never see the NCAA tournament again.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by Fudd If Butler keeps getting hammered in the NBE like this, they may never see the NCAA tournament again.

Brad Stevens departure was very timely.
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[ud2]

Originally Posted by CE80 Brad Stevens departure was very timely. Posted via Mobile Device

I'm going to disagree with this.

I watched a little bit of Butler vs. DePaul. Butler looked like the same disciplined, fundamentally sound team that they have always been, so I'm going to say that Butler has just run into some bad luck lately. I think Butler will remain a relevant, at-large-bid-worthy type of program in the future.

So far this year, Butler has beaten Purdue, Vanderbilt, and Washington State, and they've had quite a few very close losses.

http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/bav/

[CE80]

Originally Posted by ud2 I'm going to disagree with this. I watched a little bit of Butler vs. DePaul. Butler looked like the same disciplined, fundamentally sound team that they have always been, so I'm going to say that Butler has just run into some bad luck lately. I think Butler will remain a relevant, at-large-bid-worthy type of program in the future. So far this year, Butler has beaten Purdue, Vanderbilt, and Washington State, and they've had quite a few very close losses. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/bav/

I re-read my post and I missed the part where I said Butler would not remain a relevant, at-large-bid-worthy type program in the future. I don't think the team is as good this year and I don't think Stevens would have made a significant difference. I think he was in a better position last year than he would be in this year if he had stuck around and I think he probably knew it.

[Medford]

The problem many thought Butler would have, something that extends beyond whomever is coach, but doesn't neccessarily impact this year's team is their facilities, or lack there of. I think most of recognize that college sports is largely an arms race; those with the newest, freshest, bestest toys (facilities) tend to rise to the top over teams with 2nd rate facilities. Despite all their success, Butler has faced the challenges of having sub-par facilities compared to other NCAA tournament mainstays. For the most part, that's not a huge issue in the Horizon league, as the average opponent isn't the level of athlete isn't quite as highly recruited.

In the Big East, they'll be facing teams that are used to recruiting a team full of top 100 basketball players, they were the lone wolf in that regard in the Horizon. Now the $3 mil a season bump in TV money can help close the gap, but you have to remember they've gone several seasons without recouping their NCAA tournament money. They left a ton on the table when leaving the Horizon, and left last season's allotment on the table when they left the A-10, so I imagine a good chunk of that money will be used to fill in holes in their budget that were created when they've switched conferences. In time, they can probably close the gap on other Big East teams, but will they lose the cache they've earned over the last decade in the meantime? As UD fans, we know how hard it is to get back to the levels previously experienced when the on the court success falls well below expectations. I doubt Butler reaches the point that UD was at in the early to mid 90s under JOB, but the regular NCAA bids may become a thing of the past.

[1903 Flyer]

GW

Originally Posted by ud2 I'm going to disagree with this. I watched a little bit of Butler vs. DePaul. Butler looked like the same disciplined, fundamentally sound team that they have always been, so I'm going to say that Butler has just run into some bad luck lately. I think Butler will remain a relevant, at-large-bid-worthy type of program in the future. So far this year, Butler has beaten Purdue, Vanderbilt, and Washington State, and they've had quite a few very close losses. http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaab/teams/bav/

Prior to last night's beat down, Butler has been in every game this year, losing 4 OT games including 3 in conf play. Also lost by 2 to top 10 OK St. They are competing, but that won't last much longer for a team with a first year coach and no conf wins.

[CE80]

Originally Posted by 1903 Flyer GW Prior to last night's beat down, Butler has been in every game this year, losing 4 OT games including 3 in conf play. Also lost by 2 to top 10 OK St. They are competing, but that won't last much longer for a team with a first year coach and no conf wins.

I think there was a team last year that lost quite a few close games and was was considered one of, if not the unluckiest team in the nation. The reality was they had a lot of luck in actually making thier conference tournament. The future of their success is very much in question too.

[jack72]

At some point Butler's fieldhouse stops being an interesting historic place and becomes a detriment to their recruiting in the BE.

[Glen Clark]

Results from Wednesday, Jan 15:

A-10 results:

The Flyers (13-4) get a road win at Fordham (7-9), 80-68
#16 U-Mass (15-1) escapes with an improbable win at George Mason (7-10), 88-87.
Duquesne (8-7) falls at St Joe's (11-5), 75-84.
Rhode Island (9-9) with a road loss at La Salle (10-6), 62-72.
St Bonaventure (11-6) loses on the road at #24 St Louis (16-2), 60-66.

Other Flyer foes in action tonight:

#12 Baylor (13-3) didn't bring their game with them to Lubbock, falling to Texas Tech (9-8), 72-83.
Gardner=Webb (8-10) was triumphant at Winthrop (8-7), 56-51.
Central Michigan (7-8) remains winless in conference, losing at Bowling green (7-9), 57-67.
Evansville (8-10) with a one point overtime loss at Illinois State (10-7), 78-79.
Washington (11-7) was no match for Cal (13-4), losing in Berkeley 56-82.
LSU (10-5) suffered a setback at Ole Miss (11-5). The Tigers were outscored 5-19 in overtime, losing to the Rebels 74-88.

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Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

	St Joseph's ST. JOSEPH'S Founded by the Society of Jesus in 1851, Saint Joseph's University advances the professional and personal ambitions of men and women by providing a demanding, yet supportive educational experience. One of only 139 schools nationwide with a Phi Beta Kappa chapter and AACSB business school accreditation, Saint Joseph's is home to 4,200 full-time undergraduates and 3,100 graduate, part-time and doctoral candidates. Located in urban Philadelphia, SJU is a fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Hawks. Athletic claim to fame is is the Hawk mascot, a university student on full scholarship who wears a Hawk uniform and flaps his wings continuously for an entire athletic event. School spirit slogan is "The Hawk Will Never Die."

	Fordham FORDHAM Fordham University is an independent Jesuit university established in 1841 as St. John's College on old Rose Hill Manor in the village of Fordham, then part of Westchester County in the Bronx, NY. The name Fordham is derived from the Anglo-Saxon words "ford" and "ham," meaning a wading place or ford by a settlement. Rose Hill is the name given to the site in 1787 by Robert Watts, a wealthy New York merchant, in honor of his family's ancestral home of the same name in Scotland. The College was originally staffed by diocesan clergy. The name was officially changed to Fordham University in 1907. Fordham's 10 schools enroll 14,448 students. There are 7,652 undergraduates, of whom 3,842 live in University-managed housing either on-campus or in the local community. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams. Athletic claim to fame is consistent mediocrity in nearly all sports and few A10 title winning programs.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

	Saint Louis SAINT LOUIS Saint Louis University is a Jesuit, Catholic university ranked among the top research institutions in the nation. The University fosters the intellectual and character development of more than 12,700 students. Founded in 1818, it is the oldest university west of the Mississippi and the second oldest Jesuit university in the United States. Located in St. Louis, MO, and just five minutes from the Gateway Arch, SLU offers 85 undergraduate programs and over 50 graduate study tracks. Over 99% of the SLU faculty hold the highest degree in their respective fields. Fellow member of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Billikens, but also commonly known as "Sloo", the phonetic pronunciation of the school's initials. Athletic claims to fame include multiple national titles in men's soccer and men's basketball star Larry Hughes.

[Viperstick]

Originally Posted by Alberto Strasse I am watching GW-VCU and the home crowd at GW has UD arena beat every which way. The crowd is smaller but the atmosphere is electric and LOUD! So Far GW looks better than UD has been playing.

Went to the Smith Center in 2006 & watched us lose. Hate that building, but when GW is good, that's a very tough atmosphere in which to compete.

[bobber]

GW's situation is interesting. It is a collection of buildings in a very expensive section of metro DC, but unless someone told you as you drove through you'd likely never guess you were on a college campus.

I remember I was stopped in traffic maybe ten years ago and when I glanced around I saw the entrance to a sort of nondescript, two story building, and by the door in relatively small letters it said "Charles E. Smith Center."

I was shocked. That was it. There was no marquee or electronic signage or anything. I could have driven by it a dozen times and never even realized it was there if I hadn't had time to look around carefully.

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Originally Posted by bobber GW's situation is interesting. It is a collection of buildings in a very expensive section of metro DC, but unless someone told you as you drove through you'd likely never guess you were on a college campus. I remember I was stopped in traffic maybe ten years ago and when I glanced around I saw the entrance to a sort of nondescript, two story building, and by the door in relatively small letters it said "Charles E. Smith Center." I was shocked. That was it. There was no marquee or electronic signage or anything. I could have driven by it a dozen times and never even realized it was there if I hadn't had time to look around carefully.

Yeah, I agree, I was there a few years ago. We took a walk around the area, I never did find the basketball arena.

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Originally Posted by Glen Clark Tuesday games (1/14/14) Kentucky was one of three Top 25 teams losing tonight - Wisconsin and Oklahoma were the other two - and the final shot bears watching (because that's what the Kentucky players were doing): http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=400506360 ___________________ Whether your glass is half empty or half full, you still have more to drink.

did they not learn anything from the Laettner shot?

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Very nice win for Xavier last night over Georgetown at the Cintas Center. That was probably the greatest X comeback that I've ever witnessed at the Cintas Center.

X was down 13 at halftime, I think X was down 17 with 15 minutes left in the game.

2 of Georgetown's players, Joshua Smith, a big man, and Jabril Trawick, a guard/small forward, did not play though, not sure why, I think they are having academic difficulties. So, Georgetown hardly had any inside game at all. Smith was averaging 12 and 3. Trawick was averaging 7 and 3.

Georgetown was on fire with their outside shooting in the first half. In the second half, X stepped up their perimeter defense. I think Georgetown played a zone defense for about the first 30-35 minutes of the game, not sure if they normally play zone, they may have played zone since 2 of their guys did not play, so X was having trouble speeding up the game in the second half to try and make a comeback.

X shot very well from the outside in the second half, eventually forcing Georgetown to abandon their zone defense with 5 or 10 minutes left in the game.

So, in the 2nd half, Mack had X full court press Georgetown to try to speed up the game, and that did work very well, X got a few turnovers off of the press.

Anyway, a great job of coaching by Mack to adjust his defense, and a very nice win for X. X won 80-67.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.