Bracketology Thread

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin Lose semis = 35 RPI, lose finals = 30 RPI, win finals = 25 rpi.

Based on those numbers, we really do not want to make the finals & lose, b/c that would cement us in the middle of that 8/9 mix. If we win the A-10, we'd be a fairly solid 7. If we lose tomorrow, we're right on the 9/10 line. Rather be a 7 or a 10 than an 8 or a 9.
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[Whacker]

screw that. best path to the final four is through a one seed early.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Whacker screw that. best path to the final four is through a one seed early.

As long as it's not the #1 seed whose starting backcourt is as tall as our starting frontcourt. As much love & respect as I have for The Magnificent Seven, I think a 2nd round matchup against UK would be a "suicide mission".
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[ruechalgrin]

I don't want to be in a bracket with Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, or Virginia in that order.

[NCkevi]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin I don't want to be in a bracket with Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, or Virginia in that order.

As much as we've struggled the end of the year against LaSalle and SBU I'd settle for an 11th seed to avoid the 2 line as well and a 48 hour turn around against the likes of Duke.

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

	LaSalle LA SALLE In 1863, La Salle University was established through the legacy of St. John Baptist de La Salle and the Christian Brothers teaching order, which De La Salle founded 300 years ago. Located in Philadelphia, La Salle is an educational community shaped by traditional Catholic and Lasallian values. La Salle's main campus is an ideal place for students to pursue an education. The 130-acre park-like setting includes 54 buildings and is located approximately six miles from Center City Philadelphia. The University can accommodate 2,114 resident students in its 12 residence halls, two apartment complexes, and 75 townhouses. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Explorers. Notable athletes include Tom Gola and Lionel Simmons.

[Willy418]

Agree with NCkevi!

[CoffeeCan]

Not sure when this was last updated, but this is an interesting look into the number of estimated bids per conference.

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-tou...Q1#atlantic-10

[FlyerGuyer]

Originally Posted by Whacker screw that. best path to the final four is through a one seed early.

Yep, can't be afraid of any team in the Big Dance. You're gonna have to beat a good team sooner or later...

[bigudfan]

Doesn't matter to me. Just keep winning!

[bobber]

Poor Dance Card. A few days ago they had us as 99% in. Then we lost a game and went to 12% in. Wonder what they'll have us at tomorrow.

You have to wonder why their system gyrates so wildly back and forth. And every other bracketologist had us "in" - even with only 23 wins.

Will they now swerve back to 99%? I think their reputation is much over-hyped. Of course, they'll get it mostly right if they fill out their brackets fifteen minutes before the Selection Committee goes on the air.

[Field of 64]

I've never had the pleasure to meet you Bobber, but don't mess with Dance Card. Even though they use the old RPI, they are powered by SAS and have some strong statistical calculations on their side.

Regarding their reputation, they are a documented 108 out of 110 in at-large selections over the last 3 years. You are correct that this measurement is based on what they predict 15 minutes before air-time. Had we not won tonight, that 12% (IMO) wouldn't have improved by much between now and Sunday.

Tonight was a play-in game...and we won.

[ScottyExpress]

Originally Posted by Field of 64 I've never had the pleasure to meet you Bobber, but don't mess with Dance Card. Even though they use the old RPI, they are powered by SAS and have some strong statistical calculations on their side. Regarding their reputation, they are a documented 108 out of 110 in at-large selections over the last 3 years. You are correct that this measurement is based on what they predict 15 minutes before air-time. Had we not won tonight, that 12% (IMO) wouldn't have improved by much between now and Sunday. Tonight was a play-in game...and we won.

I would have spent the rest of the weekend blackout drunk hoping for a miracle on Sunday if we hadn't beaten the Bonnies. Now I can just be blackout drunk and not worry about it so much Go Flyers!

	St Bonaventure SAINT BONAVENTURE Founded in 1858, St. Bonaventure University is a liberal arts college located on 500 acres in southwestern New York state. SBU offers 43 undergraduate majors, the most popular of which are elementary education, journalism, psychology, accounting, marketing, finance, and management. Total undergraduate enrollment is 2,000. Virtually all freshmen and most undergraduates live on campus. A founding member of the A10 Conference. Famous athletes include Bob Lanier. Historical nickname was the Brown Indians, but later changed to the Bonnies. Their mascot is a wolf.

[dnutz77]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin I don't want to be in a bracket with Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, or Virginia in that order.

I want them ALL in our bracket. It should help with recruiting when UD beats them.

[MikeF]

As someone who has tickets for the tournament in Columbus, and knowing I won't get lucky enough for Dayton to be slotted there, I'm selfishly hoping we get sent to Jacksonville, Louisville, Pittsburgh, or Portland. However, I reserve the right to complain about that, too, depending on the draw.

[MikeF]

Also, for what it's worth - which, admittedly, isn't a whole lot beyond just another pseudo date point - ESPN's latest Bubble Watch column still has Dayton as a lock and doesn't even discuss them in the conference write-up.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by ruechalgrin I don't want to be in a bracket with Kentucky, Wisconsin, Arizona, or Virginia in that order.

I think Archie would absolutely LOVE a second round game against his brother.

Maybe that's just me.

[CoffeeCan]

http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-bas...s/bracketology

85% in, up from 71% yesterday.
Still a 10 seed.

[UDMARK]

It appears the 85% number is tied to a projected win today. If they lose it looks like it is still 70%. Am I reading the model wrong?

[jpk4ud]

This is bracket matrix it combines all the bracketology sites.

http://www.bracketmatrix.com

It has Dayton as a 9 seed.....

[sheg]

The percentages in Dance Card are not predictions. They indicate the probability that a team WITH THAT SCORE would have received a bid based on historical data.

Scores change from day to day as games are played. That's why the percentages move.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by UDMARK It appears the 85% number is tied to a projected win today. If they lose it looks like it is still 70%. Am I reading the model wrong?

I think it is summing up the odds for 24, 25, and 26 wins. But yes, if we lose today it looks like the odds are 70% based on this website. I think we are in, this is just a tool.

[Dillomernda]

http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

It has Dayton at 44% now.

[bobber]

So it sounds like Rhode Island is a "must win" or else game.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[DGO67]

Originally Posted by priceg75 I think Archie would absolutely LOVE a second round game against his brother. Maybe that's just me.

He (and all of Flyer Nation) would love a second round game against anybody.

[UD90]

For those of you waiting for dance card validation - you probably won't get it this year. Our new-old RPI variance makes us an outlier in this model. Still out of the dance card, but locked for days now.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by bobber So it sounds like Rhode Island is a "must win" or else game.

I wouldn't have thought so, given our "new" RPI rating in the low 30's, but it sure seems that way.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by UD90 For those of you waiting for dance card validation - you probably won't get it this year. Our new-old RPI variance makes us an outlier in this model. Still out of the dance card, but locked for days now.

But I don't understand. Dance Card is perfect.

[jpk4ud]

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology

Joe updated his bracket. Dayton back to a 9 seed playing Oregon 8 seed....in the Virginia bracket. They are the one seed of all of them I would pick to play.

[UD90]

The words I used to dread are now words that will play in our favor. We've come such a long way from those days where the eye test worked against us.

Just heard Gottlieb say Richmond should be in based on the eye test. They won't be, but they look like an NCAA team.

This made me think of our 20+ national TV games this year and all of the good press we've gotten. That's why we are a lock in most people's eyes despite our less than usual Top 50 wins.

I think we will get a better seed than maybe deserved.

Kind of like Gonzaga. Never made it past the sweet 16 and getting another 2 seed.

Being relevant and a known entity has its benefits.

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ruechalgrin]

Originally Posted by UD90 For those of you waiting for dance card validation - you probably won't get it this year. Our new-old RPI variance makes us an outlier in this model. Still out of the dance card, but locked for days now.

I agree on outlier. For example, I don't think Tulsa loss versus Division 2 team is factored into dance card and that is a really bad loss. If Dayton beats RI and loses to VCU/Davidson, I think Dayton is in with dance card.

Bracket matrix (wisdom of crowds) is 108/110 the last 3 years and dance card (algorithm) is 108/110. So something needs to give and I believe dance card will be wrong on Dayton this year and bracket matrix will be right.

[UDFlyer23]

Dance Card is really confusing me. I know its track record is phenomenal and considered to be the best indicator, but having Dayton at 44% and still out of the tournament is just flat out wrong. It's the discrepancy between Dance Card and literally every other projection website/bracketologist that has me scratching my head.

No one has us lower than a 10 seed and given the weak bubble with every team losing many have us as a solid 8/9 seed. Even if you throw all that out the window and just compare us to the next 8-12 teams below us on the bubble (all of about 2 have already lost) our resume is better, a lot better. Unless Dance Card has a major shift tomorrow morning, it's going to be wrong. Dayton is a 100% lock, I'm thinking a 9 seed win or lose today.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by Dillomernda http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm It has Dayton at 44% now.

???

What is up with the Dance Card at 44% AFTER the St. B. win???

Anybody???

[sheg]

Look, I always thought that UD would be good to go with 24 wins, especially after finishing 2nd in the conference, and I still do.

But can somebody 'splain to me why Dance Card, with its supposedly superior, awesome algorithm, that has been so reliable in predicting at-larges over the years, rates Dayton so poorly?

And save me the snap "THEY USE THE OLD RPI" crap. 1) They've always used the old RPI and been largely accurate in the past. Clearly their methodology has a way of taking the old RPI and factoring other things like road/neutral record and coming up with a largely accurate prediction. 2) UD's old RPI is 41. Their new RPI is 33. That is NOT a huge difference. 3) The Selection Committee does not largely even consider YOUR RPI when evaluating YOU. RPI is instead a way to evaluate who you played and your results against them.

The bracketologists unanimously have Dayton in the field. 92 of 92 on the Bracket Matrix. Average seed of 9.29, range from 7 to 12 but mostly 9s. The well-known Lunardi, Palm, Stevens are in line with this. Yet the bracketologists have been wrong before. SMU last year is the perfect example. The bracketologists had them largely in (96 of 121, average seed 11), but Dance Card had them second team out. Their resume:

SMU: After spending time in the top 25 the last few weeks of the season, Larry Brown’s Mustangs (23-9, 12-6) were expected by many to be a lock to enter the field of 68 on Sunday. But thanks to a first-round loss to Houston in the AAC Conference Tournament, SMU is on the outside looking in. So what was the undoing of a team that everyone thought would make the field? An RPI of 55 for SMU isn’t bad, but a strength of schedule at 303 in the non-conference portion of the slate might have done the Mustangs in. SMU had only four top-100 RPI wins on the season — UConn (2), Memphis and Cincinnati — and with two sub 150-RPI losses at Temple and at South Florida, the committee had plenty of ammunition to keep SMU out of the field.

[url=http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/03/16/did-the-committee-get-it-right-with-the-bubble-teams/]Link for quote[/quote]

That isn't too much worse than Dayton's resume this year. Dayton is 6-6 top 100, noncon SOS 147, one bad loss.

(For comparisons, Dance Card had Cal one of the last four in, but only 5/121 bracketologists had them in. They were out. Both Dance Card (fourth out) and bracketologists (3/121) missed badly on NC State last year - some would argue that it was the committee that was wrong there!)

But if you look at Dance Card, they have some outliers from what the bracketologists largely say this year.

47 is the cut line for at-large bids pending bid thieves:

Team Card Bracketologists
NCSU 27  35
LSU  29   40 (solidly in vs. last four byes)
Tem  37   44 (solidly in vs. last four in)
Pur  38   41 solidly in vs. last four byes)
OkSt 39   39
OhSt 40   32 (last four byes vs. solidly in)
Ind  41   46 (last four byes vs. last four in)
Miss 42   47 (last four byes vs. last four in)
BYU  43   45 (last four byes vs. last four in)
CSU  44   37 (last four in vs. solidly in)
Tex  45   42 (last four in vs. last four byes)
Mia  46   50 (last four in vs. fourth out)
Tuls 47   49 (last four in vs. first four out)
SFA  48   48 (hopefully Southland auto-bid anyway)
BSU  49   43 (third out vs. last four byes)
DAY  50   36 (fourth out vs. SOLIDLY in)

When you look at the Dance Card ranks below Dayton, it really falls apart.

51 ODU
52 Richmond
55 K State
57 Stanford
58 URI
59 UCLA
60 Illinois

Most of those, people would say have zero chance of at-large bids, but UCLA is frequently mentioned as a first four out.

What's going on with Dance Card?

	Richmond UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND Founded in 1830, the private liberal arts university in the Commonwealth boasts 2,800 students in 57 majors within its picturesque 350-acre campus. The Robins School of Business is one of the Top-20 business schools in the country. Nickname is the Spiders and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[sheg]

Originally Posted by ud2 ??? What is up with the Dance Card at 44% AFTER the St. B. win??? Anybody???

That does NOT mean "Dayton has a 44% chance of making the field this year." It's "Teams with Dayton's current Dance Card score have historically made the field 44% of the time."

If (IF!) Dance Card is right (and as my post above tries to get into figuring out where they're wrong), Dayton, if the season ended last night, is ZERO% to get in the field of 68.

Dance Card thinks that Boise, Texas, Indiana, Colorado State, Tulsa, Stephen F. Austin, Miami, Ole Miss, BYU, among others, all have better resumes than Dayton.

[priceg75]

When you figure it out after we get in tomorrow, be sure to let us all know.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by sheg That does NOT mean "Dayton has a 44% chance of making the field this year." It's "Teams with Dayton's current Dance Card score have historically made the field 44% of the time." If (IF!) Dance Card is right (and as my post above tries to get into figuring out where they're wrong), Dayton, if the season ended last night, is ZERO% to get in the field of 68. Dance Card thinks that Boise, Texas, Indiana, Colorado State, Tulsa, Stephen F. Austin, Miami, Ole Miss, BYU, among others, all have better resumes than Dayton.

In that case, let's hope that the two Palm Reader "ways for UD's RPI to improve" happen:
- Arkansas over Georgia (should happen - Razorbacks are favored); and
- UConn over Tulsa (Tulsa with a way better RPI; let's hope UConn's "defending champ's pride" takes over)

[hawkoooo]

People need to go back and read threads before asking questions that have been asked over and over and over again.

[ruechalgrin]

I believe this thread is done about getting in -- we are a lock. Only question is what seed now.
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[frisco flyer]

I believe our fan base thrives on self-inflicted injury more than any other in any sports at any time.

The bubble talk is just rubbish, and has been before the A10 tourney even started, but if you like to sweat it out until the fat lady sings tomorrow I won't stop you. It's kinda fun reading all the banter.

[1903 Flyer]

A hint of humor in Joey Brackets' 3/14 update...he now has us as a 9 seed, facing NC State in Pittsburgh. Villanova in 2nd round.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

In previous years I thought Dance Card was suppose to be a reputable, accurate site for predictions. This year is a complete joke. I have deleted the book mark off my computer and hope to never hear the name again. I think The Onion is more accurate at reporting the facts.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by ClaytonFlyerFan In previous years I thought Dance Card was suppose to be a reputable, accurate site for predictions. This year is a complete joke. I have deleted the book mark off my computer and hope to never hear the name again. I think The Onion is more accurate at reporting the facts.

I think the boys from Northern Florida University (is that a real place?) had better start looking at their software and bring it up to, say, 2015 standards, or they'll lose more viewers.

UD an "Outlier" with 24 wins? You have to be kidding me!

I know I will never consult their site next year.

[DallasFlyer]

CBS (Jerry Palm) projections have Dayton in an 8/9 matchup with Xavier. Kentucky looming in the next round...
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/bracketology

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 In that case, let's hope that the two Palm Reader "ways for UD's RPI to improve" happen: - Arkansas over Georgia (should happen - Razorbacks are favored); and - UConn over Tulsa (Tulsa with a way better RPI; let's hope UConn's "defending champ's pride" takes over)

Well, it shouldn't matter at this point, but both of the above happened. I checked the Dance Card, and it hasn't been updated for yesterday's games. We've GOTTA be in at this point. The only question should be seeding, and in that regard, I hope today's outcome has an effect on the seeding process. Would sure love to get bumped to a 7 with a win, (or if we lose today, get dropped to a 10).
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[Dillomernda]

Originally Posted by 1903 Flyer A hint of humor in Joey Brackets' 3/14 update...he now has us as a 9 seed, facing NC State in Pittsburgh. Villanova in 2nd round.

I know that the selection committee year after year says that they don't look for "made for TV matchups" but I am still not convinced. Look at last year when we were matched up against O$U. Archie was an assistant there plus it was a matchup between two schools from the same state. NC State would not be a surprised because Archie used to go there. In fact, I almost expect that we would be matchup against Xavier, Cincinnati, Columbus A&M, or NC State.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[ud2]

Looks like Dance Card was last updated yesterday at 9:36 am. I will be checking that site today to see what they predict.

[forego1]

Did anyone project Dayton's s curve chance for a seven seed on win?

It looks slightly possible.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Dillomernda I know that the selection committee year after year says that they don't look for "made for TV matchups" but I am still not convinced. Look at last year when we were matched up against O$U. Archie was an assistant there plus it was a matchup between two schools from the same state. NC State would not be a surprised because Archie used to go there. In fact, I almost expect that we would be matchup against Xavier, Cincinnati, Columbus A&M, or NC State.

I think seedings are first made as accurately as possible, but having said that the Committee would be fools not to match the obvious rivals when the two seeds make sense. Unless of course ratings and viewer interest don't count. It wouldn't surprise me if the networks had a "presence" in the meeting room.

[bobber]

The Dance Card site is down as of now.

[UD90]

The dance card is updated. We are still below the cut line. Is anyone still seriously nervous. Time to flip back to the new RPI system.

[Field of 64]

Dance Card is back up--no changes--and still has us below the line--but that will quickly change and it will show us in fine shape soon after today's game.

Win, lose, or draw, our RPI will improve by playing VCU (which is assigned an RPI of 15 in their valuation). We will therefore move up in the Dance Card ranking. I think the point with Dance Card is it's sort of the Ghost of Christmas Present, not Future. It's different than something like Lunardi's Bracketology in that it's not predictive in any way--only reporting on the current moment.

I would think a win over VCU could elevate us to a 7 and a loss will keep us in the 8/9 range--but all will be clear in a few short hours!

[jack72]

Dance Card will have us in by 9 PM.

[ud2]

Originally Posted by jack72 Dance Card will have us in by 9 PM.

Yeah, no kidding.

They have UD at #48, #45 is the last team in.

Yesterday, UD was #50, and the last one in was #47.

Dance Card sounds like it falls into place at the very last moment, assuming there will be another update today before the selection show.


http://www.unf.edu/~jcoleman/dance.htm

[bobber]

I think Dance Card has banned me. I can't get to the site no matter what I try.

Oh well.

[Medford]

So did Scott Barnes just give away UD as a lock? NCAA chair on CBS just mentioned that the field all but set, just waiting to see if uconn is a bid stealer

[nbflyer]

Originally Posted by Medford So did Scott Barnes just give away UD as a lock? NCAA chair on CBS just mentioned that the field all but set, just waiting to see if uconn is a bid stealer

But, what about Dance Card?

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Medford So did Scott Barnes just give away UD as a lock? NCAA chair on CBS just mentioned that the field all but set, just waiting to see if uconn is a bid stealer

Yep. Sounds like he said they are only finalizing seeds and sites.

[priceg75]

Originally Posted by Medford So did Scott Barnes just give away UD as a lock? NCAA chair on CBS just mentioned that the field all but set, just waiting to see if uconn is a bid stealer

Indeed.

[ud2]

Dance card has Dayton in bold type but still out at #48. Does the bold type mean that they thought UD would win the A10 tourney and get the automatic bid?

[UD90]

Selection Committee Chairman spoke before our game. WE ARE LOCKED UNLESS UCONN WINS. The field was set with a contigency for UCONN. If UCONN wins. Someone gets bumped. It probably wouldn't be us anyway.

[bobber]

I saw that too...weird, because every other bolded team is a conference champion. But then, they have us at 97%. Go figure. We are not the conference champ. But if we were we be 100% in, right? Or did the A-10 suddenly get demoted?

Sorry, but with 25-8 as a record and a real world RPI of 32 I say we are 100% in and have been for some time. What is clear is that Dance Card has a lot of work to do before next year rolls around.

[bobber]

Originally Posted by UD90 Selection Committee Chairman spoke before our game. WE ARE LOCKED UNLESS UCONN WINS. The field was set with a contigency for UCONN. If UCONN wins. Someone gets bumped. It probably wouldn't be us anyway.

SMU is up on UConn by 14 points early in the second half.

I still don't get it. Is he saying they save a spot for last year's champion, no matter what? That's nuts. UConn has an RPI of 60 right now and 13 losses.

OK, I see. They'd be the AAC champs. Makes sense.

[Townie]

He was saying that UConn is in if they win their tournament. Otherwise they are out

[UD90]

We've been locked for a while now, but when the selection committee spoke it's even more clear now. We could close this dance card talk. They were wrong on us this year.

[CoffeeCan]

1. They have played only two decent teams in Non-Conference play. Got blown out both times.
2. 8-10 vs top 100 compared to our 7-6
3. RPI 39 (worse than our 32)
4. 5-8 neutral/road vs our 9-7

So why have I not read anywhere how they are on any kind of bubble?
Why do they get a free pass? I know, they are a power school in a power conference... but if this is truly a fair comparison of resumes I cannot see how they are in before us or seeded higher than us.
We are in and we are fine, and we better have a more favorable seed and draw than them...

Just my thoughts...

[bobber]

It's better than it used to be, but the Big Conference bias is still there.

[ruechalgrin]

UD is a lock and will be a 9 or 10.
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[priceg75]

Originally Posted by CoffeeCan 1. They have played only two decent teams in Non-Conference play. Got blown out both times. 2. 8-10 vs top 100 compared to our 7-6 3. RPI 39 (worse than our 32) 4. 5-8 neutral/road vs our 9-7 So why have I not read anywhere how they are on any kind of bubble? Why do they get a free pass? I know, they are a power school in a power conference... but if this is truly a fair comparison of resumes I cannot see how they are in before us or seeded higher than us. We are in and we are fine, and we better have a more favorable seed and draw than them... Just my thoughts...

We're 7-7 vs top-100 after today.

[priceg75]

We will be a 9. Would love to draw Xavier.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[Sea Bass]

the A10 tourney really didnt, IMO, change their resume.

[CoffeeCan]

Originally Posted by priceg75 We're 7-7 vs top-100 after today.

Doesn't change my point at all.

[UD62]

Originally Posted by priceg75 We will be a 9. Would love to draw Xavier.

I'll pass, X would prove to be a match up problem for us.

[NCkevi]

Dance Card now has us 49 and still out
Guess they'll drop some percentage points on accuracy over the past few years

[Sea Bass]

Lunardi final bracket has UD a nine seed playing NCSU in the pod with Villanova in Pittsburgh

[SacramentoFlyer]

I'm betting a 10 seed in the West.

[priceg75]

Xavier, Iowa, St. John's, Cincinnati, Butler, Temple all among possible first round matchups for us.

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

	Temple TEMPLE UNIVERSITY Founded in 1884 by Dr. Russell Conwell, Temple College became Temple University in 1907. Located in Philadelphia, Temple is a comprehensive public research university with 34,000 students, 8 campuses, and 300 academic degree programs. Notable alumni include Bill Cosby and Daryl Hall. Temple's nickname is the Owls and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[86 Flyer]

I like Joe Lundardi's bracket. Villanova would be my 1st choice of No. 1 seeds to play.

[MikeF]

Wow, Indiana in as #10 and Texas in as #11.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by MikeF Wow, Indiana in as #10 and Texas in as #11.

Texas is way over-rated, especially with their coaching situation.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by UD90 We've been locked for a while now, but when the selection committee spoke it's even more clear now. We could close this dance card talk. They were wrong on us this year.

Dance card is going to lose alot of credibility.

[TommyGola]

What??? We got thrown into the Play-In game???? Are you kidding me????

[Avid Flyer]

Worst bracket ever. Total Bull $hit.

[MikeF]

You have to be kidding me. A play-in game? What a joke.

[Buick-Flyer]

wow, I am glad we won yesterday

[priceg75]

It's a good freakin' thing we made the final then.

[T-Bone 84]

Wow! Last 4 in! So, if we had lost yesterday...
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[dnutz77]

Holy sheet. Talk about disrespect. Wow.
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[udflyerhoops2]

Stupidest thing I've ever heard...

[Flyer Al]

Just total disrespect

[TA111]

Putting us in the play in is a joke. Even the CBS crew said it.

[Avid Flyer]

Texas, Indiana ahead of Dayton, total Big 5 bias.

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

NCAA Selection committee = Biggest idiots west of Washington DC

[Bill Elwood]

Originally Posted by Avid Flyer Worst bracket ever. Total Bull $hit.

Seriously?!?!?!?!?
Must have felt badly about it because we start on our home floor and then go 90 min. to C-bus?????????????????????????????????????????????

[stargeneral]

Sucks for us...but think about Boise State playing at Dayton. They are probably ****ed off

[Falcon7]

You have to be F'n kidding me! F them!

[rasta man]

What an effing joke, a first four game for US????????????????

[TommyGola]

I think the Selection Committee thought they would throw us a bone with a home game. This is complete horse manure!!!

[Fan4allUDSports]

All about the money. First four sold out and the house will be packed. For those going wear red, be loud and get our Flyers to Columbus

[Smitty10]

Play in Game? Apparently the committee doesn't want the same team to be Cinderella two years in a row. We need as much rest as possible and the committee makes us play 3 games in 5 days to get back to sweet 16.

[Medford]

Perhaps we should give dance card more credit? Imagine what boise st is thinking