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Old 06-15-2015, 11:20 PM
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Date or no date, that calls for an UPdate.

Orlando Classic (Iowa, ND, Wichita St., X, Alabama, Monmouth, Southern Cal)
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8 of 13 possible OOC games. 5 more announcements by my count.

Love the two "buy" games so far this year. Believe it or not I know some 'Sprey fans who live in Jacksonville. Very cool animal in real life also, have had some close-up encounters in my southern rivers and lakes.
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Old 06-16-2015, 07:30 AM
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Isn't Furman on the schedule too?
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A buy game that I am interested in is SF Austin. They have been solid the past several years. I recall about a week ago that they only have two games on their schedule. We could easily help each others SOS.
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They just posted yesterday on the BTI board that they are looking for a home and home series vs a BCS or top 75 rpi opponent, UD will start the series on the road, they had posted earlier that they wanted two of these series, I assume Vandy filled the other slot.
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They just posted yesterday on the BTI board that they are looking for a home and home series vs a BCS or top 75 rpi opponent, UD will start the series on the road, they had posted earlier that they wanted two of these series, I assume Vandy filled the other slot.
That would be a much needed second true road game.
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SFA will be good, but I actually like Sam Houston to win that league this year. I know they lost two starters, but they went nine deep a year ago, and return seven of their top nine players.

North Dakota State , South Dakota State, North Florida and Belmont are all RPI gold. All will likely win 25+ games, and in the case of Belmont, they may be good enough to end up inside the bubble. I'm much bigger on Belmont than Murray next year.
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That would be a much needed second true road game.
Two more road games would be ideal to make 15 road/neutral, 9 league, 3 Orlando, Vandy, unknown opponent=14 right now.

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SFA will be good...
SFA runs a funky/unusual offense, spread/flex-motion/continuous action, very effective, hard to defend.

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Old 06-17-2015, 07:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Dillomernda View Post
A buy game that I am interested in is SF Austin. They have been solid the past several years. I recall about a week ago that they only have two games on their schedule. We could easily help each others SOS.
What does the SF stand for? Is this a school in Austin, TX?
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Old 06-17-2015, 07:52 AM
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Stephen F. Not in Austin but named after the same guy - one of the founders of Texas as a State.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:01 AM
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It's in Nacogdoches, which is kind of a cool town but it's not easy to get to -- 2.5 hours from Houston, 3 hours from Dallas, 4 hours from Austin, 1.5 hours from Shreveport. I was actually there during the World Cup, and cheered on the U.S. from a sports bar where everyone had a Clint Dempsey jersey and story. Clint is from Nacgodoches so that was a really cool experience. Selfishly (being in Dallas), I'd love for them to schedule a game down there of course.
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Old 06-19-2015, 10:45 AM
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H/H with Iowa starting at Iowa this year makes way to much sense. Can count as 31st game and Iowa has current area player Wagner. Teams may be waiting for brackets to come out.
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Has that Furman rumor ever been confirmed? My wife's a grad and I'd like to see that one. They finished last season very strong and almost stole a bid against Wofford.
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Old 07-17-2015, 09:56 AM
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Has that Furman rumor ever been confirmed?
Is there another source to the "rumor" other than springborofan's post? I've searched and that is the only place it is mentioned on UDPride.
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UDPride™ ‏@UDPride · Jul 15
The Orlando Classic is a favorable bracket for Dayton "SOS-wise" if UD beats Iowa. And, more potential good scheduling news to come.

Cooper Harris ‏@CooperHarris7 · Jul 15
@UDPride can you give a hint on the potential schedule news? Is it for this year?

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.@CooperHarris7 Series. Power-5.

How about another clue? ha... I'm intrigued
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Old 07-18-2015, 08:58 AM
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to think circa 2005 on here I remember reading that Southern Illinois and some of the MVC schools wouldn't play us in a series
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Any idea as to when the OOC will be released?
If you were a member of Pride Plus you would know every game but 1. And its been narrowed down to 3 teams i believe
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If you were a member of Pride Plus you would know every game but 1. And its been narrowed down to 3 teams i believe
And if I lacked decorum, I would find it acceptable to address how someone else chooses to spend their income when it wasn't warranted.

I fully support the idea of 2 levels on the board. I have not, nor would I intentionally asked for information that is proprietary to those on Pride Plus. Again, I think is perfectly reasonable and fair that inside information be kept as such. Those that choose to pay should have advantages.

However, the OOC comes out approximately the same time each year. The OOC for many teams is freely available on the internet. It seemed like a reasonable question for this board when I asked it.
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Any idea as to when the OOC will be released?
Two years ago it was released on August 19. Last year it was August 8. As someone said, we likely know all but one game. Some years it takes longer to wrap up that last game.
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And if I lacked decorum, I would find it acceptable to address how someone else chooses to spend their income when it wasn't warranted.

I fully support the idea of 2 levels on the board. I have not, nor would I intentionally asked for information that is proprietary to those on Pride Plus. Again, I think is perfectly reasonable and fair that inside information be kept as such. Those that choose to pay should have advantages.

However, the OOC comes out approximately the same time each year. The OOC for many teams is freely available on the internet. It seemed like a reasonable question for this board when I asked it.
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Great post bucketnight, and long overdue IMO. I don't understand the nana na boo boo mentality. Also, it is 2015, why the hell hasn't someone "leaked" this info if it is so set in stone for all but one game?

I don't really understand why the schedule is "premium content." Nobody authored it, it is just the ****ed schedule. If it were an article or a data compilation or some sort of recruiting insight fine, but it is the schedule. Spill the proverbial beans already.
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As someone said, we likely know all but one game. Some years it takes longer to wrap up that last game.
Hopefully they are trying to nail down one more home and home series with that last game.
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its a buy game. another home and home has been agreed to already.......

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Well, nothing wrong with speculating. I'm gonna guess Virginia Tech. Power 5 conference; check. Blast from the past as we were in the A10 together; check. A power 5 school willing to play UD home and home; possibly due to past ties and UD's rise.
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Making a decision to "pay or not to pay" for me personally has NOTHING to do with what if any "benefits" are derived from pride plus----------and EVERYTHING to do with "supporting" the guy who makes all of this happen for me and the hundreds/thousands of UD fans that have visited this site for many, many years!

Chris is as devoted to UD as he is to all of us---thus whether you chose to support the site by writing a check or not NEVER affects the site, his interaction with any of us etc. He has always done a superb job and for many, many years the site was his baby---he never asked for a "nickel" from anyone!

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Joining Pride is not just about getting some information first, it is about supporting this website which we all get pleasure and great information from. You can choose to spend your money how you want, and you can choose not to read this site. For me reading this great site and paying something to keep it strong and viable are one and the same. There will always be people who do not tip, steal music and movies on the internet and do not donate to the street musician they stop and enjoy. I choose not to be one of those, as do many of you.

Equating reading the legally available free content on a board that has been designated as free by the site's creator with committing illegal acts is asinine.

There are very valid reasons for enrolling in Pride Plus. I think a periodic reminder of what is out there would probably move some including myself to go that route. I think supporting Chris and the site are certainly as passionately put forth by College B-Ball Fan is also valid. However, trying to shame people into joining is wrong. As I have stated earlier, I think it is fair and reasonable that there is content not available to those that choose not to pay... for whatever there reasons are. I will likely join at some point but it will not be because of some pathetic comparison.

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Equating reading the legally available free content on a board that has been designated as free by the site's creator with committing illegal acts is asinine.

There are very valid reasons for enrolling in Pride Plus. I think a periodic reminder of what is out there would probably move some including myself to go that route. I think supporting Chris and the site are certainly as passionately put forth by College B-Ball Fan is also valid. However, trying to shame people into joining is wrong. As I have stated earlier, I think it is fair and reasonable that there is content not available to those that choose not to pay... for whatever there reasons are. I will likely join at some point but it will not be because of some pathetic comparison.

Now if you will excuse me, I need to steal office supplies from work, claim responsibility for someone else's work, stiff the server at lunch, ripoff a client, and get enough drinks in me to drive drunk to supermarket in order shoplift dinner.
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Well, nothing wrong with speculating. I'm gonna guess Virginia Tech. Power 5 conference; check. Blast from the past as we were in the A10 together; check. A power 5 school willing to play UD home and home; possibly due to past ties and UD's rise.

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I'm just utterly bewildered, the SOS this past year was an enormous problem, they were one of the very last teams in the field directly because of the weak SOS, but yet here we go down the same stupid path again. If they don't beat Iowa, the SOS could very well be very weak just like last year.

Dump the 16/14 model and go to 15/15 already.


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I'm just utterly bewildered, the SOS this past year was an enormous problem, they were one of the very last teams in the field directly because of the weak SOS, but yet here we go down the same stupid path again. If they don't beat Iowa, the SOS could very well be very weak just like last year.

Dump the 16/14 model and go to 15/15 already.

I would suggest that losing late in the season to the Dukes and Explorers was not a positive going forward. I would also suggest that until the entire OOC schedule is out we don't really know what path we are going down.
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I would suggest that losing late in the season to the Dukes and Explorers was not a positive going forward. I would also suggest that until the entire OOC schedule is out we don't really know what path we are going down.
It was posted upthread that every game other than one, a buy game, has been determined.

That makes 16/14 again this year. 9 league away games, 3 in Orlando, Vandy, and unknown p5 makes 14 away/neutral.

That unknown buy game won't be anything special, I can guarantee you that, all buy games suck.

I figured that after they almost got burnt last season, that they would have learned their lesson, I thought wrong.

Last year's SOS was 93, that ain't good.

The SOS needs to be 60 or lower every single year.

They should maximize their chances at getting a better SOS by going to a 15/15 schedule featuring more home and home series.

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I'm just utterly bewildered, the SOS this past year was an enormous problem, they were one of the very last teams in the field directly because of the weak SOS, but yet here we go down the same stupid path again. If they don't beat Iowa, the SOS could very well be very weak just like last year.

Dump the 16/14 model and go to 15/15 already.

You do realize that 16/14 or 15/15 doesn't affect SOS either way, right? Home/Away is only factored into the overall RPI.
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For those of you who have never actually done scheduling, it is much more complicated than you can ever imagine. Chris does a great job of reminding all of us the intricacies and problems with getting a very good schedule done. The only suggestion made on this board that UD is not trying is the 15/15.

I will give you one example. When you wait weeks for an agreement on a game or home and home, then send a contract and wait for it to come back, it ties up that slot (dates, home or away). Other teams are doing the same, so the chess board is a bit locked.

I thought someone had a great idea, call a top team and go to their place for a buy game. The reality is top teams do not want buy games they may lose.
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*tOSU, Duke, UNC, Fla, UK...

If a team* isn't willing to play UD at their place for free, why in Rollo's name would they suddenly decide that paying us >$30k to play would be a great idea?
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You do realize that 16/14 or 15/15 doesn't affect SOS either way, right? Home/Away is only factored into the overall RPI.
Yes, but a home and home series is likely to be played against a higher quality opponent than 2 home buy games.

For example, we are talking about the 29th and 30th games every year.

Scenario A
2015-play at Boise State and play Georgia at UD
2016-play at Georgia and play Boise State at UD

Vs.

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2015-home buy game vs. MAC school and home buy game vs. NEC school
2016-home buy game vs. MAAC school and home buy game vs. OVC school


Scenario A is clearly better. You only have to give up one home game per year.
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If a team* isn't willing to play UD at their place for free, why in Rollo's name would they suddenly decide that paying us >$30k to play would be a great idea?
MAC schools are getting 100k from schools as buy games now. I know UD paid that much to at least 1 of MAC schools last year. I also know both of those schools are getting 100k again as buy games this year to other places. I would guess it would be more than that for UD to be a buy.
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Yes, but a home and home series is likely to be played against a higher quality opponent than 2 home buy games.

For example, we are talking about the 29th and 30th games every year.

Scenario A
2015-play at Boise State and play Georgia at UD
2016-play at Georgia and play Boise State at UD

Vs.

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2015-home buy game vs. MAC school and home buy game vs. NEC school
2016-home buy game vs. MAAC school and home buy game vs. OVC school


Scenario A is clearly better. You only have to give up one home game per year.
Not always. Play the right MAC school or NEC school and you could play a team that goes 15-1 in conference and is a sure bet for NCAA Toruney. Just because you play a Power 5 school does not mean it is going to help RPI. I would much rather play a good Belmont or Murray State than Northwestern or USC who might win 3 conference games.

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Not always. Play the right MAC school or NEC school and you could play a team that goes 11-1 in conference and is a sure bet for NCAA Toruney. Just because you play a Power 5 school does not mean it is going to help RPI. I would much rather play a good Belmont or Murray State than Northwestern or USC who might win 3 conference games.
I think it is reasonable to say that if you schedule a p5/high mid-major, they will be better than the mid-major the large majority of the time. Yes, there are exceptions such as Belmont or Murray State, but I doubt those 2 would even agree to play a buy game, UD had to give Murray a 2 for 1, and Murray beat UD in the game at Murray.

And the selection committee gives you credit for intent. So, for example, if UD scheduled Georgia home and home, and Georgia sucked both years, then UD would still get credit for trying to schedule a tough opponent.

You get NO CREDIT from the selection committee for playing home buy games.

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In this era of 1 and Dones and transfers, projecting 2 years in and of itself must be difficult let alone finding willing programs with corresponding openings for Home and Homes.

There are so many variables with OOC scheduling. The one constant is the conference!
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I think it is reasonable to say that if you schedule a p5/high mid-major, they will be better than the mid-major the large majority of the time. Yes, there are exceptions such as Belmont or Murray State, but I doubt those 2 would even agree to play a buy game, UD had to give Murray a 2 for 1, and Murray beat UD in the game at Murray.

And the selection committee gives you credit for intent. So, for example, if UD scheduled Georgia home and home, and Georgia sucked both years, then UD would still get credit for trying to schedule a tough opponent.

You get NO CREDIT from the selection committee for playing home buy games.
I agree that a P5/High mid-major teams are typically better. As they should be. But that does not always translate on SoS or RPI. Sometimes playing the teams that are going to go 15-1 in their conference play and are decent in the OOC is better for our SoS and RPI. Beating teams like BC the last few years or if we play USC this year are just as big of anchors as buy games.

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I agree that a P5/High mid-major teams are typically better. As they should be. But that does not always translate on SoS or RPI. Sometimes playing the teams that are going to go 11-1 in their conference play and are decent in the OOC is better for our SoS and RPI. Beating teams like BC the last few years or if we play USC this year are just as big of anchors as buy games.
Agree, but again, the odds are in favor of the p5 being better, and scheduling intent is big with the selection committee.

The committee knows how tough scheduling is, they will give you credit for trying to play tough opponents in home and home series.
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Yes, but a home and home series is likely to be played against a higher quality opponent than 2 home buy games.

For example, we are talking about the 29th and 30th games every year.

Scenario A
2015-play at Boise State and play Georgia at UD
2016-play at Georgia and play Boise State at UD

Vs.

Scenario B
2015-home buy game vs. MAC school and home buy game vs. NEC school
2016-home buy game vs. MAAC school and home buy game vs. OVC school


Scenario A is clearly better. You only have to give up one home game per year.
With 4 unknown games (at least on this thread), Scenario A could still play out with 2 of those games. That would give us one more H/H than last year, but still 16/14. Your complaints seem more centered around H/H vs. buy games, and not H/A split.
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With 4 unknown games (at least on this thread), Scenario A could still play out with 2 of those games. That would give us one more H/H than last year, but still 16/14. Your complaints seem more centered around H/H vs. buy games, and not H/A split.
That is not my understanding, Vandy and unknown p5 and two others are the only h/h series this year, same as last year with Miami and Arkansas away. GT and Ole Miss at home.

This year it is Miami and Arkansas at home, Vandy and p5 away.

4 teams both years, 2 home and 2 away.

In other words, this year's schedule is following the exact same model as last year.

It should be 6 teams each year, 3 home and 3 away to get to 15/15.

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You get NO CREDIT from the selection committee for playing home buy games.
But we didn't get any credit last season when 1/2 of our OOC games were against teams from the Power 5 conferences - On the other hand going 3-5 on the the road in the A10 didn't look good
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
That is not my understanding, Vandy and unknown p5 and two others are the only h/h series this year, same as last year with Miami and Arkansas away. GT and Ole Miss at home.

This year it is Miami and Arkansas at home, Vandy and p5 away.

4 teams both years, 2 home and 2 away.

In other words, this year's schedule is following the exact same model as last year.

It should be 6 teams each year, 3 home and 3 away to get to 15/15.
So, you would like 6 H/H's not just 4. That's fine. Just say that.
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Originally Posted by NCkevi View Post
But we didn't get any credit last season when 1/2 of our OOC games were against teams from the Power 5 conferences - On the other hand going 3-5 on the the road in the A10 didn't look good
Agree, but 12 OOC games, last year it was 7 p5 and 5 buy, let's try 8 p5 and 4 buy and see what happens.

I don't think the committee expects UD to play more road/neutral than home games.

And let's try to eliminate the boat anchors like Illinois-Chicago and Alabama A&M.



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So, you would like 6 H/H's not just 4. That's fine. Just say that.
Agree.

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The format UD has been using is pretty similar to the format that they've used for the last decade + more or less and for the last decade + their OOC schedule was solid enough to get them into consideration for the dance (while often the conference performance left them in the NIT). The scheduling isn't really an issue, over the last decade, UD's overall strength of schedule has been around the 60s. Last season it dropped into the 90s, but the formula more or less has been good to satisfy both the NCAA eye ball test as well as the financial requirements of the athletic department. If they could have replaced Bama A & M, Illinois St and Miami (oh) with teams below the 150 mark, it would have made a huge improvement.

Sadly, Miami, while predictably poor, is not what you want out of one of the few Home & Away arrangements. That was the major scheduling "sin" of last season. I value tradition, and I like the idea of playing Miami based upon historical tradition, but their performance in the last 5+ seasons gives little reason for UD to continue the tradition. the GTech arrangement didn't help, despite the angst with the late Gregory era, I think many thought GTech would have been around top 100, if not higher when the series was first arranged.
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Let's see, power 5 and blast from the past:

Kentucky
Duke
Louisville
UNC
Pitt
Arizona
Maryland
Michigan
Ohio State
Miami Fla
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Northwestern

All power 5 teams UD has played in the past, most in regular season. Some would make me excited, some would be OK, and a couple I would not schedule.
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Originally Posted by UDGutter2 View Post
Let's see, power 5 and blast from the past:

Kentucky
Duke
Louisville
UNC
Pitt
Arizona
Maryland
Michigan
Ohio State
Miami Fla
UCLA
Virginia Tech
Northwestern

All power 5 teams UD has played in the past, most in regular season. Some would make me excited, some would be OK, and a couple I would not schedule.
There's no one on that list I would not schedule, not even Northwestern. I would not drop another good home / home, and they would be my last choice, but I would not pick up buy games or play Miami OH instead of them.
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And USC, Texas A&M, Tennessee, Michigan State, Purdue, Wake Forest, Minnesota...
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Didn't count USC or aTm because they were recent. Forgot Minnesota, kinda recent, Purdue, and Wake Forest. Have no recollection of playing Tennessee or Michigan State.
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I was surprised when I looked at a map of the P5 schools (it included the AAC and NBE also) how many qualified as a Blast from the Past.

Almost all of them benefit us. Determining which programs would be willing to play at the Arena was an interesting exercise not just looking at this upcoming series but future series as well. I was thinking Minnesota, WF, VT and UCLA as the schools that really made a lot of sense and are very realistic.

I excluded the SEC schools just because of our existing schedule but neither Tenn nor Memphis appears to be in great shape from a leadership stance. As much as I would like to see them, it is hard for me to believe it would be Ky, Duke, NC, Az, MSU, Louisville, OSU or Pitt. I just don't think Jamie Dixon or our administration should be pushing a Pitt-Dayton series!

Oklahoma should be added to the list.
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I'd be OK with one of the Florida schools as a warm up while we're down there for Orlando
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I'm confused, how many conferences make up the "Power 5"? I know:

Big 10
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PAC (?)
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SEC

Now some say the NBE and the AAC are in the Power 5, I think the NCAA needs to start pushing academics, especially remedial math, a little harder. Lol
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I'm confused, how many conferences make up the "Power 5"? I know:

Big 10
Big 12
PAC (?)
ACC
SEC

Now some say the NBE and the AAC are in the Power 5, I think the NCAA needs to start pushing academics, especially remedial math, a little harder. Lol
The BCS no longer exists so I think the Power 5 replaced that and those are the conferences that get an automatic bid to one of the major bowls (the first 5 you listed)
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I would suggest that losing late in the season to the Dukes and Explorers was not a positive going forward. I would also suggest that until the entire OOC schedule is out we don't really know what path we are going down.
Agree, but they went 13-5 in the A10, which is very good, and there are always going to be a couple/few bad league losses, that is just the way that league play is.


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The format UD has been using is pretty similar to the format that they've used for the last decade + more or less and for the last decade + their OOC schedule was solid enough to get them into consideration for the dance (while often the conference performance left them in the NIT). The scheduling isn't really an issue, over the last decade, UD's overall strength of schedule has been around the 60s.
UD's rpi was 33, that should have been good enough to have them comfortably in, but yet they barely made it in, that indicates that the SOS was a problem.

Why risk using that same model and having that same problem again? If it happened once already with the SOS ending up at 93, it can happen again. Just imagine how weak the SOS would have been had they lost to TAMU in the early tournament.

I don't think the SOS has consistently been in the 60's.

UD should be trying to play for a better seed via a tougher schedule rather than be satisfied with just barely squeaking in as an 11 seed or so.

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There's no one on that list I would not schedule, not even Northwestern. I would not drop another good home / home, and they would be my last choice, but I would not pick up buy games or play Miami OH instead of them.
Totally agree, I would take a home and home series with every single one of those teams. All of those teams are better than Miami or a buy game.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Illinois. Old Friend? Certainly Flyer fans remember the win over them in the NCAA, at least those of us who's spirits weren't totally numbed by the rest of JOB's tenure. Then there is the win at Illinois on the way to the NIT championship. Its been said that Groce and Archie are close friends, having both spent time under Matta at OSU. It would also provide Illinois a chance to get Mavrick Morgan a game in his hometown (or close to it anyways) during his senior year.

WVU and Huggy Bear would also qualify as a old friend, and make some sense as well.
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WVU and Huggy Bear would also qualify as a old friend, and make some sense as well.
I seem to remember there is bad blood between Huggy and UD, but not sure if that's really true or not.
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There was bad blood b/w Huggy and UD's administration, but that was years ago, I doubt he still holds the same grudge. However, I've heard Huggy address the potential of playing UD directly, and I have my doubts that its going to happen without other aspects of their schedule changing. Perhaps those changes have already been made, don't follow their schedule all that close.
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I'm surprised nobody has mentioned Illinois. Old Friend? Certainly Flyer fans remember the win over them in the NCAA, at least those of us who's spirits weren't totally numbed by the rest of JOB's tenure. Then there is the win at Illinois on the way to the NIT championship. Its been said that Groce and Archie are close friends, having both spent time under Matta at OSU. It would also provide Illinois a chance to get Mavrick Morgan a game in his hometown (or close to it anyways) during his senior year.

WVU and Huggy Bear would also qualify as a old friend, and make some sense as well.
I also remember destroying them on their home floor in the NIT quite recently.

EDIT: you did cover that sorry
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It would also provide Illinois a chance to get Mavrick Morgan a game in his hometown (or close to it anyways) during his senior year.
I recall this happening a bit years ago, but I can't recall any real recent examples of teams doing this. You obviously can't do it for everyone. So as a coach or Athletic Director, I think you'd only aim to do this for an out of area, game-changing guy, one of the best ever to suit up for his school. In Maverick's case, he has been one of the last guys off the bench for Illinois so can't imagine getting him a game in Dayton is too high up the list of priorities.
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Perhaps Groce promised him such a game for his senior year when he was recruiting him, and wants to live up to his word. You are right, don't hear as much about as you used to, Kentucky played in Dallas last year, maybe last 2 seasons for several of their players from the Texas area. I think Duke occasionally does the same. But I'll admit to throwing stuff against the wall, just thought Illinois makes a little sense from both sides.
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Do we at least have a general idea of when the official schedule will come out?
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Thank you for your continued support of University of Dayton Athletics through your purchase of men's basketball season tickets.

Information on this year's schedule will be coming out within the next few weeks."...


I have no idea why they still call me 'Dear'.

Well, those two-timers, they called me dear.
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Jack, if you dont mind, UD Class of '72? Season ticket holder lower or upper bowl? Theres a few posters id like to meet next season, you rollo,cj,Chris R,Clayton...Im John, 36 and have been going since '92. Lost my season tic connection 3 years ago but i pay and go as often as possible. Hope to meet some of you guys.

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According to Dave Jablonski's article which will be in tomorrow's DDN (posted a little bit ago on the website: http://www.mydaytondailynews.com/new...2672779.735800) the schedule is nearly done and may be released within a week or so.
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I have no idea why they still call me 'Dear'.

Probably the same reason the North Koreans call their dictator "Dear Leader"
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Originally Posted by BRob2Perryman3 View Post
Jack, if you dont mind, UD Class of '72? Season ticket holder lower or upper bowl? Theres a few posters id like to meet next season, you rollo,cj,Chris R,Clayton...Im John, 36 and have been going since '92. Lost my season tic connection 3 years ago but i pay and go as often as possible. Hope to meet some of you guys.

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Regretfully I make it to vey few games, as I now live in NC. Once a year to Dayton and away games at Davidson, Richmond, etc.
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Dayton Basketball ‏@DaytonMBB · 1m1 minute ago
Non-conference schedule to be released this afternoon. 1 bonus game, @DaytonMBB hosts @AlabamaMBB, Tuesday, Nov. 17 at 1 pm ET. #TrueTeam

That is on a Tuesday and part of the ESPN Tip-Off Marathon

Not bad... Home vs. Alabama, Arkansas and at Vandy, along with the Orlando Tourney
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Not bad... Home vs. Alabama, Arkansas and at Vandy, along with the Orlando Tourney
Tip-Off Marathon thing is cool, but not real excited about playing Alabama. Both 'Bama and Arkansas look like they'll finish in the bottom four. I guess there's a slim chance that Alabama might be able to finish in the middle of the pack in the SEC, but Arkansas is in big, big trouble. Vandy is going to be good though. They should be a tourney team, and finish in the top four of that league I think.
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Tip-Off Marathon thing is cool, but not real excited about playing Alabama. Both 'Bama and Arkansas look like they'll finish in the bottom four. I guess there's a slim chance that Alabama might be able to finish in the middle of the pack in the SEC, but Arkansas is in big, big trouble. Vandy is going to be good though. They should be a tourney team, and finish in the top four of that league I think.
Add on top of that the fact that I am not sure how many people will be able to attend a game at 1:00 pm. I imagine most people on here will be working during this time. I consider myself blessed that I know I can attend this game ahead of time.
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2015-16 home opener will be Friday, Nov. 13 as #TrueTeam hosts @SEMOmbb. 1st of 8 non-con home games at @UDArena.
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Alabama is in the Orlando Classic as well, so I'm assuming this will count as a non-bracketed game. That's definitely a nice "bonus" game to add to the schedule.
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Arkansas looking more and more like non top 100 game. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...orgery-charges
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Add on top of that the fact that I am not sure how many people will be able to attend a game at 1:00 pm. I imagine most people on here will be working during this time. I consider myself blessed that I know I can attend this game ahead of time.
If this is indeed the "4th game" of the Orlando tournament then it is a good get. Alabama on ESPN (even at 1pm on Tues) is better than no game or a "buy" game on WHIO.
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There we go

http://daytonflyers.com/news/2015/7/...723154929.aspx

11/13 vs. SEMO
11/17 vs. Alabama
11/21 vs. TBD
11/26 vs. Orlando
11/27 vs. Orlando
11/29 vs. Orlando
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12/12 vs. Chattanooga
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12/30 vs. Arkansas
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Add on top of that the fact that I am not sure how many people will be able to attend a game at 1:00 pm. I imagine most people on here will be working during this time. I consider myself blessed that I know I can attend this game ahead of time.
I think Dayton fans will find a way. 12:30 lunch. 1:30 doctor's appointment. Back to the office by 3:30ish...

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Arkansas looking more and more like non top 100 game. http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...orgery-charges
Even with those guys, Arkansas was not going to finish in the top 100 RPI. That ship sailed months ago when Portis and the other kid left early to play professionally. But yes, a bad team in a good league appears to have gotten even worse.
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There we go

http://daytonflyers.com/news/2015/7/...723154929.aspx

11/13 vs. SEMO
11/17 vs. Alabama
11/21 vs. TBD
11/26 vs. Orlando
11/27 vs. Orlando
11/29 vs. Orlando
12/5 vs. North Florida
12/9 at Vandy
12/12 vs. Chattanooga
12/19 vs. Furman
12/22 vs. Miami (OH)
12/30 vs. Arkansas
Wow, only one true road game. Not sure how I feel about that. Though I am glad that there's not
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Well that's a let down.
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Add on top of that the fact that I am not sure how many people will be able to attend a game at 1:00 pm. I imagine most people on here will be working during this time. I consider myself blessed that I know I can attend this game ahead of time.
Umm... This is UD, there will be 10,000+ there.

On another note, is the TBD the 1 alleged power 5 program that will be a home & home, starting on the road?
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Well that's a let down.
depends on who TBD is. Potential to be a very solid slate.
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Umm... This is UD, there will be 10,000+ there.

On another note, is the TBD the 1 alleged power 5 program that will be a home & home, starting on the road?
The TBD is a home game. Alabama is a power 5 home & home series.

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