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Old 02-05-2016, 09:49 AM
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I appreciate his ranking for us. But this is what puzzles me:

"The Friars are 4-4 in their last eight games. They’ve lost at home to Marquette and at DePaul."

He has Providence at #20.

Can you imagine where we would be if we went 4-4 with losses to Marq and DePaul?
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I appreciate his ranking for us. But this is what puzzles me:

"The Friars are 4-4 in their last eight games. They’ve lost at home to Marquette and at DePaul."

He has Providence at #20.

Can you imagine where we would be if we went 4-4 with losses to Marq and DePaul?
Was thinking the same thing - but publicity is publicity....
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Do we now worry about losing Archie to Duke?? ��
Heard that the Dukies have a recruiting class coming in that is similar to last year, think they will let coach K stick around
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With a win against GM, the Flyers should move up 3 spots in the coaches poll - jumping South Carolina, Kentucky, and Louisville.

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Old 02-05-2016, 04:40 PM
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True. Now everyone will be jumping Lou ville so to speak. Even though there wins and such will keep them ranked ... if keep winning. But they are done.

So Carolina will not keep this up, IMHO.

We could easily be between 18 and 23 the next two weeks (not this upcoming week) if we keep winning.
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I am going to hold off on adding to the revised ranking talk until after Saturday night.
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True. Now everyone will be jumping Lou ville so to speak. Even though there wins and such will keep them ranked . . .

Maybe in the AP poll - the coaches poll excludes teams ineligible for the post-season (hence no SMU).

Teams ineligible for this postseason in men's basketball:
Alcorn St.
Central Arkansas
Cal State Northridge
Florida A&M
Louisville
Missouri
Pacific
SMU
Southern Miss.
Stetson
Abilene Christian (because of reclassifying from DII)
Grand Canyon (because of reclassifying from DII)
Incarnate Word (because of reclassifying from DII)
Mass.-Lowell (because of reclassifying from DII)
Northern Kentucky (because of reclassifying from DII)
- Andy Katz http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/

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Old 02-05-2016, 07:25 PM
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WE had a bad loss, and not that many great wins the past 3 weeks. The harder part of the scheddy is upcoming.

Otherwise we'd be in the 16 to 20 area without that loss to LaSalle. Hard to look past a 19-2 team.
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Old 02-05-2016, 07:33 PM
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The Top 8 ranked teams have an average of 3 losses.

The teams 9 to 21 have an average of 4 losses and are historically basketball rich teams like Indy, UK, purdue, Iowa State, Mich State, Virginia.

We are right where we should be. The ONLY issue team i have is Wichita State, who are 3 notches above us and still living their glory years until their 2 studs graduate. Things will shake out the next 3 weeks for sure.

Not sure i see SMU and Miami perhaps and definitely So Carolina keeping it up.

Oregon could drop with 2 losses in the PAC 12. Providence, if they lose another 2 could be unranked soon. Most of the others i see remaining steady.

Without any changes the only one i see hopping over us could be VCU , if they keep their no losses up. We will be neck and neck with them here on out!
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I am going to hold off on adding to the revised ranking talk until after Saturday night.
AH! I see a wise man has posted this!
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AH! I see a wise man has posted this!
Don't confuse 'old' with 'wise'.
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Don't confuse 'old' with 'wise'.
I may not be wise but in this crowd I know I am not considered old.
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I don't think Wichita is living off their glory years. I actually would rank them abou 8.
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Let's talk ranking.

1,2, 8,11 have lost. Looks like 15 going down.
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Let's talk ranking.

1,2, 8,11 have lost. Looks like 15 going down.
18 also lost today and 22 is down by 2 with 3 mins to go
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Flyers likely to be in top 20 Monday. Indiana ready to go down to Penn St. Indiana's resume is really weak.
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I don't think Wichita is living off their glory years. I actually would rank them abou 8.
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Based upon what? They have been feasting on MVC teams with RPIs from 82-315. They may or may not be really good but you have to be relying on last year to draw the conclusion that they are really good.
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Based upon what? They have been feasting on MVC teams with RPIs from 82-315. They may or may not be really good but you have to be relying on last year to draw the conclusion that they are really good.
I think the first four should be used on teams like Wichita St. They are basically having losses ignored because their star player wasn't there, so why not make them play an extra game to make up for it with their star?
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Based upon what? They have been feasting on MVC teams with RPIs from 82-315. They may or may not be really good but you have to be relying on last year to draw the conclusion that they are really good.
To a DEGREE, yes last year is an influence. Largely because they essentially have the core of same team And I have seen them play with VanVleet back. They are really good.
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Who was number 18 and 22? Indiana and who else? IU was 18?
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Purdue was 18 and lost to Maryland (4) by 11.
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IU was 22 and will drop out after a bad loss to Penn St.
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Teddy Hawkins, yes that teddy Hawkins (I had forgotten all about him) just put Illinois st up 4 with about three thirty to play.mpotential shocking devolpment
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To a DEGREE, yes last year is an influence. Largely because they essentially have the core of same team And I have seen them play with VanVleet back. They are really good.
You were saying. . .

Iowa State's best defender suspended indefinitely. UL out. Wichita State loses. Indiana loses to an awful Penn State team. #1 and #2 lose. What a great day in college BB!
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Now that Indiana and Wichita St have losses to not so great teams, maybe the voters will step back and take a look at what they each have done against top teams - not much. They are not Arby's. They don't have the meats.
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You were saying. . .

Iowa State's best defender suspended indefinitely. UL out. Wichita State loses. Indiana loses to an awful Penn State team. #1 and #2 lose. What a great day in college BB!
I still think Wichita State is a top 10 team this year, despite losing to Illinois State. I didn't change my mind that UD is a top 15 team because the lost at LaSalle. And LaSalle is a lot worse than Illinois State.
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I'll let my glass of wine speak: Dayton is a top ten before Wichita St.


That's what I have to say thereof.
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(for letting my wine speak instead of me)

Wichita St. may not even have the resume (even considering absences) to get an at large bid.

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It REALLY is the wine speaking

How can i not be happy?

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Thinking Dayton goes up to between +3-5 spots from 24 to 19-21.

Early ballots published:

Doug Haller moves Dayton from 25 to 22 (+3)
Mark Berman moves Dayton from 19 to 16 (+3)
Seth Davis moves Dayton from NR to 24 (+2?)
David Borges moves Dayton from 21 to 17 (+4)
Rich Bozich moves Dayton from NR to 23 (+3?)
Bret Starlow moves Dayton from 24 to 20 (+4)
Chris Dachille from NR to 19 (+6?)

Average increase +3.5 places

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That would be wonderful but a 3 - 5 spot move may be a bit ambitious.

Here are the results of the week for the 20 - 25th ranked teams:

20 Kentucky
@ Tennessee L 84-77, vs Florida W 80-61

21 Wichita St
vs S Illinois W 76-55, @ Illinois State L 58-53

22 Indiana
@ Michigan W 80-67, @ Penn State L 68-63

23 Arizona
@ Washington St W 79-64, @ Washington W 77-72

24 Dayton
@ George Mason W 98-64

25 South Carolina
@ Georgia L 69-56, @ Texas A&M W 81-78

As much as I would love for our Flyers to move up 3 - 5 spots, I will settle for less as long as we continue to move up. It is great to see our team scrolling as a ranked team while watching other games.

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'Twas the night before rankings when all through the house...

It really does feel like Christmas Eve the night before rankings come out when you have a pretty good idea your team will be included in them. What an awesome feeling that I could really learn to get used to. I am ready for a new set of expectations with Flyer hoops after these past almost 3 seasons. They've finally shown they can play inspired instead of scared with a bullseye on their backs. Frankly, I'm not sure they were really playing like a Top 25 team when they entered the rankings earlier in the season. But I'm more convinced than ever that this is a Top 25 (if not 20) club right now. Cookie has been more than just an even trade for Sibert. Steve has given us a dimension we haven't had inside in a long, long while and is thriving off the bench. And we may finally have a new '2' punch to go with our '1' punch Scooch at the point.

I'll take a nice #22 on Monday to honor the Velvet Man!
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
Thinking Dayton goes up to between +3-5 spots from 24 to 19-21.

Early ballots published:

Doug Haller moves Dayton from 25 to 22 (+3)
Mark Berman moves Dayton from 19 to 16 (+3)
Seth Davis moves Dayton from NR to 24 (+2?)
David Borges moves Dayton from 21 to 17 (+4)
Rich Bozich moves Dayton from NR to 23 (+3?)
Bret Starlow moves Dayton from 24 to 20 (+4)
Chris Dachille from NR to 19 (+6?)

Average increase +3.5 places
What will move Dayton up more than anything, isn't those who had Dayton on their ballot and moved them up, it's those who didn't have them on their ballot and just woke up this week.
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It must pain Seth Davis to rank us. I watched part of the Boise St game over the weekend and he clearly has something against UD. His comments were blatantly anti-Dayton
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Seth Davis is a tool. It took him forever to drop Butler but not as long to drop Indiana. Still has Wich St too high given they really have not beat anyone and just lost in conference to a not so great Ill St.
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Some of this talk is premature. We just beat a terrible LaSalle team and destroyed a mediocre Mason team. Let's save it till after the next three. If we take all three, then we should move up.
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Now that Indiana and Wichita St have losses to not so great teams, maybe the voters will step back and take a look at what they each have done against top teams - not much. They are not Arby's. They don't have the meats.
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WSU guards shoot 7/27 from the field, and 2/16 from 3pt. Now, I get it that any team can have an off night. But this WSU backcourt is proclaimed to be the best in the country.
Maybe they are, but it gets a little tiring with some teams that continue to be ranked based on sports talking heads infatuation with them.
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WSU guards shoot 7/27 from the field, and 2/16 from 3pt. Now, I get it that any team can have an off night. But this WSU backcourt is proclaimed to be the best in the country.
Maybe they are, but it gets a little tiring with some teams that continue to be ranked based on sports talking heads infatuation with them.
Wichita State lost at Illinois State (RPI #125)

To put that into perspective:

Richmond as an RPI of 126.

If we lose at Richmond on March 1, we would drop 20 spots. Let's see how many Wichita State drops.
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Originally Posted by ruechalgrin View Post
Thinking Dayton goes up to between +3-5 spots from 24 to 19-21.

Early ballots published:

Doug Haller moves Dayton from 25 to 22 (+3)
Mark Berman moves Dayton from 19 to 16 (+3)
Seth Davis moves Dayton from NR to 24 (+2?)
David Borges moves Dayton from 21 to 17 (+4)
Rich Bozich moves Dayton from NR to 23 (+3?)
Bret Starlow moves Dayton from 24 to 20 (+4)
Chris Dachille from NR to 19 (+6?)

Average increase +3.5 places
Jerry Carino moves Dayton from NR to 16! (+9?)

Average increase of +4 spots (would equal 20)
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Maybe they are, but it gets a little tiring with some teams that continue to be ranked based on sports talking heads infatuation with them.
As we begin to place ourselves (well not us so much as Archie and his team ) we should get into that same place as Gonzaga, WSU, etc are in and then we can listen to everybody else get tied of hearing people infatuated with our Flyers!
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W/ that kind of movement in a decent sample size of ballots, moving up to #20 seems much more realistic than I would have guessed this morning. It seems obvious, but for each of these moves, somebody else above UD last week is losing votes/points this week.
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Thinking Dayton goes up to between +3-5 spots from 24 to 19-21.

Early ballots published:

Doug Haller moves Dayton from 25 to 22 (+3)
Mark Berman moves Dayton from 19 to 16 (+3)
Seth Davis moves Dayton from NR to 24 (+2?)
David Borges moves Dayton from 21 to 17 (+4)
Rich Bozich moves Dayton from NR to 23 (+3?)
Bret Starlow moves Dayton from 24 to 20 (+4)
Chris Dachille from NR to 19 (+6?)

Average increase +3.5 places
Kevin Lytle 24 to 16
Jerry Carino NR to 16
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Kevin Lytle 24 to 16
Jerry Carino NR to 16
Tyson Alger from 23 to 18 (+5)

I actually think Dayton will be 18-20 (not 19-21) based upon the 8 ballots so far up
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It's like some of these guys didn't look into this team and its resume until after they were ranked. Not too shocking.
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for good measure, adding this:

http://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketb...basketball-rpi


AND: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings

16th CBS poll

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Dayton listed as final four sleeper team
What I like is that they didn't just throw Dayton in there with, say, Clemson, St. Mary's, Seton Hall, and Washington. We're in a group with Virginia, ND, West Virginia, and Kentucky among others. This is big time recognition and consideration!
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http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa.../coaches-poll/
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#17 in USAToday coaches poll

http://sportspolls.usatoday.com/ncaa.../coaches-poll/
Bigger change than I thought!

Still think 18-20 in AP which would be great!
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Tied w/ providence, and if you add Louisville back in (they'll be in the AP vote, presumably) that would put UD right into your range.
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Bigger change than I thought!

Still think 18-20 in AP which would be great!
See flyerfanatic86 (this thread) for the possible reason.
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http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/rankings with AP!! #19

Purdue has Michigan St & Michigan
Iowa St has Texas Tech & Texas
Arizona has UCLA & USC
Texas AM has Alabama & LSU
SMU has Tulsa & Gonzaga


Dayton wins Duquesne & RI and #15 is possible

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The 2/8 AP poll has us at #19

http://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll
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Still using the old logo.
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Coaches poll does not include Louisville - (by rule)
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Still using the old logo.
Would be nice if UD/Nike could somehow insist they us the new logo. Recall the U said both the old and new logos will be used for a couple of years until the old one is phased out. My thing is why not use the national free pub to get the new logo out there as quickly as possible. I just hope during the NCAA tourney the media only uses the new logo.
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Coaches poll does not include Louisville - (by rule)
Probably a (well-deserved) bump for Dayton!
Hopefully the 'Ville will put the beat down on Duke tonight and keep Duke out of the Top 25. Also hopefully Texas and Notre Dame going down tonight as well.
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At this point I don't care what anyone else does. Just want Flyers to win games then whatever happens in the polls happens
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Seven teams received first place votes. Is this a record? Wide open NCAA this year.
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#17 in USAToday coaches poll

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Doesn't it feel like we reasonably control our own destiny for the first time in a really long time? We don't need any miracles or even help from anyone else to get an appropriate amount of attention, respect, and have a successful season. So many years in the past even when we had a good record it felt like we needed to get lucky just to avoid a terrible draw or get ranked or even get in the dance.
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Some of this talk is premature. We just beat a terrible LaSalle team and destroyed a mediocre Mason team. Let's save it till after the next three. If we take all three, then we should move up.
Mediocre????? That's doing a great disservice to those truly median teams. GM is freaking terrible 8 and 15 and 2-8 in conference. And they were missing perhaps their best player.
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1 Pollster did not rank Dayton and had Duke 20?!?!?!?

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball/team/ud2/2015

Compare of Duke and Dayton

Dayton 6-2 top 50 whereas Duke is 1-5

Dayton's 8th best win Vandy away > Duke's 3rd best win Yale Home

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Mediocre????? That's doing a great disservice to those truly median teams. GM is freaking terrible 8 and 15 and 2-8 in conference. And they were missing perhaps their best player.
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Use that site to compare UD to the team who has the same number of points in the Coach's poll ---none other than the Friars of Providence. Ha! Not even close to us.

Of course we have had the advantage of 22 home games. Our home is wherever we happen to hang our hat that day.
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Still using the old logo.
You're still using the old logo...
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Respect...

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Use that site to compare UD to the team who has the same number of points in the Coach's poll ---none other than the Friars of Providence. Ha! Not even close to us.

Of course we have had the advantage of 22 home games. Our home is wherever we happen to hang our hat that day.
Respect is something that's earned over a period of time...a long period. That shows up in perceptions of a program. But, having said that, clearly there are other factors, e.g., the conference you're in.

Over the last 25-30 years there are few teams that have been better than UConn. But UConn received essentially no votes (support) in either poll...while Sagarin has UConn at #23 (and UD at #32).

UConn is not great by any means; but, they're better than just "good". Most important, they are not in a Power 5 conference. These days anyone not in the Power 5 is an outsider of sorts. No one needs to explain that to the Faithful.

(The Big East seems to still have some of that Old Big East aura...in the voters minds.)
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Would be nice if UD/Nike could somehow insist they us the new logo. Recall the U said both the old and new logos will be used for a couple of years until the old one is phased out. My thing is why not use the national free pub to get the new logo out there as quickly as possible. I just hope during the NCAA tourney the media only uses the new logo.
UD was talking about phasing it out in team uniforms and different places the logo was used on campus for example, Frericks Center, and probably Donoher Center before the remodel. That was the only phasing out they were talking about. The new logo is out there, AP just didn't bother to update.
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Hopefully the 'Ville will put the beat down on Duke tonight and keep Duke out of the Top 25. Also hopefully Texas and Notre Dame going down tonight as well.
I don't know why you wouldn't want Duke to win and knock Louisville behind us.
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I don't know why you wouldn't want Duke to win and knock Louisville behind us.
Louisville isn't a threat to our seeding. And will always be behind us in the coaches poll from here on out.
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It is about the seeding, Isn't it?

A top 10 in polls would help paint a clearer picture in that regard.

They won't dis' us forever.
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Pretty soon, we have something similar to real competition on the schedule.

Not exactly the ACC or Big 12 we're handling.
This is doable one game at a time.
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How They/AP Voted

AP votes. Only one person voted not to rank Dayton.

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Why can't they get our logo right???
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It must pain Seth Davis to rank us. I watched part of the Boise St game over the weekend and he clearly has something against UD. His comments were blatantly anti-Dayton
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It is about the seeding, Isn't it?

A top 10 in polls would help paint a clearer picture in that regard.

They won't dis' us forever.
Agree, if we are ranked highly come tournament time, then there will be some pressure for our seed to somewhat correspond to where we are ranked. Any big discrepancy between the seed and ranking will make the committee look bad IMO.
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Respect is something that's earned over a period of time...a long period. That shows up in perceptions of a program. But, having said that, clearly there are other factors, e.g., the conference you're in.

Over the last 25-30 years there are few teams that have been better than UConn. But UConn received essentially no votes (support) in either poll...while Sagarin has UConn at #23 (and UD at #32).

UConn is not great by any means; but, they're better than just "good". Most important, they are not in a Power 5 conference. These days anyone not in the Power 5 is an outsider of sorts. No one needs to explain that to the Faithful.

(The Big East seems to still have some of that Old Big East aura...in the voters minds.)
The American Athletic Conference hasn't seemed to deter the women's program at UConn. Why would it hold the men's program back?
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Hmmm. Given I listed some games of note, I thought I might take a crack at this.
I'll name this LMAO (1st time I've used that internet slang)

I DO like to pay some attention to these other game.. not heavy duty, mind ya, but I make a point of looking at lots of mildly related basketball stuff here that is needless, superfluous nonsense and outright hubris.
SO, I thought to take a look at the "GAMES OF NOTE" thread (which by the way, has 59,000+ views).

I wonder how many asinine persons who applauded CE80 can be found on just the last page?

Oh, oh.. but you don't care at all at this point what anybody else does.

at this point I care all the more.
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Besides, what are you all doing here on "AP Poll Released?"

Following your logic, if the only concern is that the Flyers win, why would you care to see what others vote?
What difference does it make to you?
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There is a difference between caring and interested. When I care about something the result weighs upon me. When I am interested, I like to see what happens but the result has no effect on my psyche.

Is that good enough? May I continue to read and post on threads?
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Sounds like legalese to me. You are parsing words. Lawyer up.. you should not ask questions you don't know the answer to.

Okay, you be interested. AND, I'll care these other teams wins and losses affect Dayton Flyer seeding.

Yes, you may read and post, but are not allowed to care.
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I did not ask any question I did not know the answer to.
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Don't waste interest and time on rhetoric. Aren't there girls to look at on Aruba's beaches.

.. or, do you have to ask for your wife's permission?
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The American Athletic Conference hasn't seemed to deter the women's program at UConn. Why would it hold the men's program back?
The UConn women's program is unlike anything ever seen in women's college basketball. Actually, it's Auriemma's program....and when he retires it's unlikely that the program will continue at anything like its current level.

To an extent, when Calhoun retired the men's program changed. Indeed, his successor has won a national championship and has been recruiting well. Nonetheless, I think any school that aspires to be among the very best at either FB or BB will argue that not being in a Power 5 conference hurts. Think UC down south. UConn at least is diplomatic and never says it wants out of the AAC....UC has been blunt about wanting (needing) out.

It takes big time money to play FB at the FBS level...especially to be successful. And schools that really want to be top tier at the FBS level suffer an enormous financial disadvantage. The $20-$25 million in TV money that Power 5 schools get (even the likes of Wake, Illinois, Indiana, Northwestern, Duke,...) highly ambitious schools such as UC and UConn do not get and have to make up with an unsustainable subsidy....the key word being unsustainable. That is why somehow getting into a Power 5 is a matter of real urgency for the schools having a goal of excellence. There's nothing pleasant about it....a state budget pressures add to the angst.
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Why keep trying to be something your are not? Stick to the knitting. We have room for basketball schools who are trying to also play big time football in the Pioneer League.
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Why keep trying to be something your are not? Stick to the knitting. We have room for basketball schools who are trying to also play big time football in the Pioneer League.
Agree 100% SDF. Dayton has has a great setup, successful football at the FCS level, chance to go to the playoffs each year, at a cost of about 900K to 1M a year. About 5% of the athletic budget. Very successful men's and women's basketball programs that bring excitement and national attention to a rather small school in southwest Ohio. Soccer, Volleyball, and at times Baseball and Softball played at the NCAA tourney level. We have it good at Dayton.
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That's just it!

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer View Post
Why keep trying to be something your are not? Stick to the knitting. We have room for basketball schools who are trying to also play big time football in the Pioneer League.
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Agree 100% SDF. Dayton has has a great setup, successful football at the FCS level, chance to go to the playoffs each year, at a cost of about 900K to 1M a year. About 5% of the athletic budget. Very successful men's and women's basketball programs that bring excitement and national attention to a rather small school in southwest Ohio. Soccer, Volleyball, and at times Baseball and Softball played at the NCAA tourney level. We have it good at Dayton.
SDF, schools such as those in the American are not trying to be something they are not. Schools like UCF, UC, Houston, UConn et al are large, major research universities. The schools that they consider peers play FBS FB and most are in Power conferences. Like UD, UConn has a list of peer institutions...and every one of UConn's peers is in a power conference. Further, being a small state, UConn is the State's flagship school.

Other states with "flagship" schools have opted out completely, e.g., most of the New England state "Us". UMass has not; but UMass is hardly a flagship. There are other examples.

Unlike UC, UCF, Houston and others, UConn is a nationally prominent public, ranked in the top 20 nationally. Right or wrong, the administration has observed that similar schools, its peers, play FBS FB....and that is a rationale for going that route...that, and protecting its other sports.

UD would not likely consider deemphasizing BB while the schools it consders peers play at the highest level. Right.

I agree, some schools that choose to play FBS FB are making a poor decision that has no sensible rationale. Perhaps MAC schools fit that description. But for other schools, especially large prominent publics....the schools they want to be compared with play FB in Power conferences. That creates a big problem when you're on the outside looking in.
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I've seen a few comments now about Seth Davis. Not sure if they're all from this thread or not. I haven't seen him say or write positive or negative things about the Flyers this season. But I do want to remind everyone that he was the most pro-UD of any media pundit last year regarding the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee's choice to screw the Flyers by putting them in the First Four in the first place much less the decision to have them play in Columbus in the next round. When everyone else practically blamed UD for playing at home (are you reading this, Doug Snotlieb?) Seth constantly reminded everyone that it was the Committee's decision to screw a team that belonged in the main draw all along.

I'm a bit surprised it took him this long to get UD in his Top 25. But I still think of him as a positive voice based on last year's situation. Am I wrong?
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I've seen a few comments now about Seth Davis. Not sure if they're all from this thread or not. I haven't seen him say or write positive or negative things about the Flyers this season. But I do want to remind everyone that he was the most pro-UD of any media pundit last year regarding the NCAA Tournament Selection Committee's choice to screw the Flyers by putting them in the First Four in the first place much less the decision to have them play in Columbus in the next round. When everyone else practically blamed UD for playing at home (are you reading this, Doug Snotlieb?) Seth constantly reminded everyone that it was the Committee's decision to screw a team that belonged in the main draw all along.

I'm a bit surprised it took him this long to get UD in his Top 25. But I still think of him as a positive voice based on last year's situation. Am I wrong?
He also voted us in the top 25 the first time we entered it this season.

Now, what's Soren Petro's problem? Here's an article attacking his votes back in early December: http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...michigan-state

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Updated Power Rankings on ESPN. Flyers up to #16. Also check out the video at the top of the page, Greenberg again picks the Flyers as a potential Final Four team.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../powerrankings
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Updated Power Rankings on ESPN. Flyers up to #16. Also check out the video at the top of the page, Greenberg again picks the Flyers as a potential Final Four team.

http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask.../powerrankings
Some strong love from Greenberg in that video. Keep it coming!
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Highest ranking...

The Pittsburgh Post Gazette remarked that Dayton has not been ranked this highly during the regular season since February 15, 1968,...that's nearly a half century ago!
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The Pittsburgh Post Gazette remarked that Dayton has not been ranked this highly during the regular season since February 15, 1968,...that's nearly a half century ago!
I don't think that's correct. We were ranked 14th week of 1/14/2008.
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The Pittsburgh Post Gazette remarked that Dayton has not been ranked this highly during the regular season since February 15, 1968,...that's nearly a half century ago!
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I don't think that's correct. We were ranked 14th week of 1/14/2008.

Dayton has not been ranked this high this late in the season since Feb 15, 1968
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Dayton has not been ranked this high this late in the season since Feb 15, 1968
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OK, now for the (field of) $68,000 question. Should the Flyers stub their collective toe on Friday at Rhode Island's house of (recent) horrors, will their place in this week's standings be lofty enough - and will their reputation be solid enough - to keep them ranked? Tied for 17th in the USA Today Coaches and sitting at 19th in the AP. I know a lot of it would depend on how other Top 15-30 teams do this week and weekend. But just curious what others on here think. Actually, for those who know how to easily create polls, this might be a fun poll question for Thursday and Friday leading up to the game.

Personally, I think anything but a double-digit loss would keep Dayton in both polls. They have gained a lot of respect from most media members by now and by coaches (or their assistants who vote) who follow other games/teams at all. I'm hoping we can grind out a rare win in Kingston and this becomes a moot point. But if we drop to 20-4 (10-2), what say the masses about our chances to stick around in the 2 major polls next week?
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