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Old 11-06-2018, 09:03 AM
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2018 Midterm thread

Thought it would be a good idea to have this thread for midterm discussions. Please go vote if you haven't done so already.
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My mom always told me that you never want the White House and Congress to be run by the same party. Her reasoning was that the country can run itself and that splitting the WH and Congress virtually guarantees that nothing will get done which is good for the country.

For the most part I think she's right, but times have changed and now I'm starting to think we need an all 'R' WH and Senate...at least for another 6 years.

It doesn't appear this will happen and if the D's take the House, they will be under a lot of pressure to make decisions that keep the economy rolling. If for any reason the economy crumbles after the election, it'll be easy to blame them in 2020 as Trump runs for re-election.

Interesting time we live in...
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What I find very interesting is how such a big deal is being made in how this is referendum on the Trump presidency. Obama is actively stating such too. I don't remember the same in 2010 and 2014. The Ds got their butts kicked. How come nobody has been recalling that?
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They called it that back in 2010 and 2014, just not on the main stream media, because rarely was anything President Obama's fault.... Listen to the conservative media and it was mentioned often. If the Republicans hold or gain seats, it won't be a "confirmation" of Trump and his presidency, it will be "something else"
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FWIW, I received a text yesterday (during the royal birthday dinner!) from 'Gayle with Ohio Dems' reminding me that today is election day, etc...

Here's my royal reply: "MAGA!"
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Historically, the President's party loses seats in the midterms (especially in the House), sometimes huge losses. This year the left and the media are already set to blame those losses on Trump, even though they know this is what almost always happens. I would add that if the Republicans reverse history and somehow hold on to the House, it WILL have a lot to do with Trump.
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The Average Mid-Term Loss of Seats

by an incumbent President is 32.
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In the 2010 midterms the Republicans gained 63 seats in the House and 6 in the Senate.
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I'm guessing GOP comfortably holds Senate, Dems take House by 6-10 seats - which as others have said is standard midterm reversal levels and would not be a referendum on anything. Dems should do well in Gov races and close gap there which IMHO is the more important variance.

We will have divided Govt for a while which is still okee dokey with me. Getting nothing done is a positive not a negative in most cases when it comes to govt.

The doom and gloom apocalypsers on all sides need to chillax. America is fine. The sun will still rise and set like usual.
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Hopefully a "Dewey defeats Truman" moment. Their bias is on full display.
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inadvertently? I'm calling BS on that. They may have forgotten to erase their numbers, but they'd be fools if they didn't input data into their system to make sure the software was calculating everything correctly. Furthermore, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if an analyst was playing around with different inputs to get a feel for what varying exit poll numbers in different regions of the state could mean on election day. Those numbers didn't accidentally get in there, they just forgot to erase them.
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I'm guessing GOP comfortably holds Senate, Dems take House by 6-10 seats - which as others have said is standard midterm reversal levels and would not be a referendum on anything. Dems should do well in Gov races and close gap there which IMHO is the more important variance.

We will have divided Govt for a while which is still okee dokey with me. Getting nothing done is a positive not a negative in most cases when it comes to govt.

The doom and gloom apocalypsers on all sides need to chillax. America is fine. The sun will still rise and set like usual.
Divided government is great if you think that neither side has ideas and an agenda that will improve the condition of the country or you completely disagree with the policies of the Executive Branch and want it stopped. In this case, it would be a vote for staying the current course without further major changes.

I happen to be rather convinced that at least Trump has an agenda that is very good for the country (look at the objective evidence), so I want the support structure in Congress to move that forward.

Yes, the sun will rise the the USA will be fine, but I like the track the country has been on for the last 2 years and want it to continue to get better. There is still so much to be done.

I'm hoping that enough people in the country agree with me to make that a reality. If not, so be it. That is what Democracy is. I think that eventually people will come to similar conclusions that I have because good results speak for themselves. Sometimes people have to learn from trial and error and see the contrast between options.

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by an incumbent President is 32.
Why is that? You would think after electing someone you would support the same party 2 years later?
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When will we get Swampy's election prediction for tonight?
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Polls were packed in red country at 0630 and each machine was still full at 1500 when I went back.

I also found it odd that a guy holding a "Vote Against Hate" sign at the polls also had a car with New York state license plates on it.
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Why is that? You would think after electing someone you would support the same party 2 years later?
I believe it's the end of the honeymoon period with the administration. Just a guess.
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I always heard talk of one honest democrat in the country, but I always thought chances of seeing the Loch ness monster was greater. Guess I was wrong.
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Many American Voters

are Independents who favor a system of checks and balances. They often vote in Congressional candidates whose party differs from the President's.
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I worked the polls again yesterday, and again, my mind was fairly blown at the sort of large demographic diversity of the community of people that only live a couple of miles away from me...young, old, short, tall, etc., you really see a wide mix of people coming out to vote. If you want to get a much better feel for who lives in your surrounding community, then go work the polls, everybody and their brother comes out on election day.

And again, you can not tell if someone is R, D, or I just by their appearance.

And again, 99% of the people have their Ohio driver's license with them as their former of id, arguments against requiring some form of id to vote just do not seem at all credible to me.

And it was extremely busy yesterday, hardly no breaks in the action all day.

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Here in NC the amendment to require ID's to vote passed easily. Previously it was passed by the State, and the Dems had it overturned in court. So not they cannot touch it. Bring your ID or stay home.
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Oh well...the next 2 years will be all gridlock...the left will not compromise...and forget about any real progress on a border wall...we may see another SCOTUS opening such as Thomas...2020 presidential politics is going to start up shortly anyway...I bet that Congress is going to struggle to even pass a budget...longer federal government shutdowns are a distinct possibility IMO...hard to have any hope of anything getting done over the next 2 years...Trump as a deal maker will not be able to bridge the gap.

Have to hope that Pelosi is not elected Speaker, that seems like the only hope.

Oh, and more bogus Trump-Russia witch hunts and illegitimate efforts to impeach Trump.

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Per the incoming presumed chair of the House Judiciary Committee, the Dems #1 objective for the next 2 years is getting their hands on Trump's tax returns.

Not healthcare, not the economy, not national security, but getting those tax returns.

Seems very misguided IMO. So what if he might pay no taxes? That is what he is supposed to try to do. As long as it is legal, it does not seem wrong IMO.

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Per the incoming presumed chair of the House Judiciary Committee, the Dems #1 objective for the next 2 years is getting their hands on Trump's tax returns.

Not healthcare, not the economy, not national security, but getting those tax returns.

Seems very misguided IMO. So what if he might pay no taxes? That is what he is supposed to try to do. As long as it is legal, it does not seem wrong IMO.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi...elections.html
This p!sses me off. Why have a house of representatives if that is all they are going to do.
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Seriously, the Dems goal is tax returns? Pretty silly stuff, but then most Dem stuff is. Still waiting for their Healthcare solution that will lower our costs or doing anything.
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The Florida governor and Senate races have now tightened...the GOP is accusing the Dems down around Miami of pulling a fast one.

And the Arizona Senate race has flipped to the Dem.

Maybe I am wrong, but when was the last time a Republican tightened or pulled ahead in a race late after being behind? Always seems like the Dems benefit from late possible chicanery.

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The Florida governor and Senate races have now tightened...the GOP is accusing the Dems down around Miami of pulling a fast one.

And the Arizona Senate race has flipped to the Dem.

Maybe I am wrong, but when was the last time a Republican tightened or pulled ahead in a race late after being behind? Always seems like the Dems benefit from late possible chicanery.
Ever since Gore lost Florida the Dems have figured out how to cheat the system
just like a lot of them have figured out out to cheat welfare, food stamps
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Boy republicans really don't like when votes are counted correctly and thoroughly
Judge sides with Florida’s Rick Scott, cites ‘violation’ of state constitution by election officials. Orders ballet inspections.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jud...tion-officials

Republicans don't like it when Democrats violate elections law. They have a horrible history in Broward County.
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Judge sides with Florida’s Rick Scott, cites ‘violation’ of state constitution by election officials. Orders ballet inspections.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/jud...tion-officials

Republicans don't like it when Democrats violate elections law. They have a horrible history in Broward County.
This says it all:

"Scott voiced disbelief at the sheer number of votes discovered in Broward County since election night: “How do you come up with 78,000 more votes in one county? … The Democrats are trying to steal this seat.”
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This says it all:

"Scott voiced disbelief at the sheer number of votes discovered in Broward County since election night: “How do you come up with 78,000 more votes in one county? … The Democrats are trying to steal this seat.”
This has got to stop, jail time needs to be handed out to stop this type of stuff.
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Boy republicans really don't like when votes are counted correctly and thoroughly
How many more Democrat votes are they continuing to find? As many as it takes.......
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And the count in the Arizona race also seems sketchy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...te-tally?amp=1:

"It goes without saying that if Sinema gains significantly again in Maricopa County today, the race is over," one party strategist who asked for anonymity to offer a candid assessment told The Hill. "Sinema's jump in the numbers last night defied expectations and all logic."

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I think Florida might need to overhaul their whole operation. Set up a state-appointed bipartisan commission to oversee the vote gathering and counting in every county. There seem to be too many statistical irregularities that keep happening.

Take this out of the hands of the local county people and let the state handle it.
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Take off your Republican glasses for a minute. Have any of you ever voted? Every gone in person to the board of elections? If you have done either, are you surprised that they have no idea how many ballots they still have to count?
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Take off your Republican glasses for a minute. Have any of you ever voted? Every gone in person to the board of elections? If you have done either, are you surprised that they have no idea how many ballots they still have to count?
Don't you find it odd that every other county had their counts in the night of the election per State law, while this county has dragged it out for days with nobody in the county aware of how many more ballots remain? On top of that, the people in charge have a history of actually destroying ballots in the last election. Doesn't this seem highly suspicious to you?
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Also in one past election that county had more votes than residents.
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I am not sure how in the world Brenda Snipes still is in charge of Broward County elections.

She has quite a long rap sheet.

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And the count in the Arizona race also seems sketchy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...te-tally?amp=1:

"It goes without saying that if Sinema gains significantly again in Maricopa County today, the race is over," one party strategist who asked for anonymity to offer a candid assessment told The Hill. "Sinema's jump in the numbers last night defied expectations and all logic."

It takes Arizona days because 75 percent of the voting is done by mail.
It takes alot of time to hand process each ballot and compare signatures.
They process them in the order they were received.
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Originally Posted by ud2 View Post
And the count in the Arizona race also seems sketchy.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaig...te-tally?amp=1:

"It goes without saying that if Sinema gains significantly again in Maricopa County today, the race is over," one party strategist who asked for anonymity to offer a candid assessment told The Hill. "Sinema's jump in the numbers last night defied expectations and all logic."
Nothing sketchy about it, since the latest batch of votes released included Pima County, Sinema's home turf:

Sinema holds a 0.5-point lead with votes rolling in, predominantly from Maricopa County, according to new numbers from the Arizona secretary of state's website. Votes were also posted from Pinal and Gila counties as well as Pima County, a Democratic-leaning county that’s home to the city Tucson.
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It takes Arizona days because 75 percent of the voting is done by mail.
It takes alot of time to hand process each ballot and compare signatures.
They process them in the order they were received.
There is a video on YouTube where a person is standing on the sidewalk taking video of car after car unloads ballot boxes into a truck which is then taken to be counted. You can hear the person questioning what was going on. She asks if the boxes are coming from other precincts and a voice Said yes.
These vehicles are all being driven with one occupant.
So the extra votes they found are coming in from other precincts.

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Rick Scott's voter suppression record:

Cut early voting, leading to 7 hour lines
Banned groups like League of Women Voters from registering voters
Tried to purge 1000s of eligible voters
Disenfranchised 100,000+ ex-felons
Now trying to stop every ballot from being counted

He is the king of voter supression
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Originally Posted by zmz723 View Post
Rick Scott's voter suppression record:

Cut early voting, leading to 7 hour lines
Banned groups like League of Women Voters from registering voters
Tried to purge 1000s of eligible voters
Disenfranchised 100,000+ ex-felons
Now trying to stop every ballot from being counted

He is the king of voter supression
How does early voting lead to lines? Plenty of days. Get your butt there. Prove those people would have voted early and could not.

Scott did not ban the LWV from registering voters. FL law from 2011, said they cannot do it at schools. They broke the law, till they were caught.

Scott tried to purge non-citizens from the voting rolls. Is that wrong? The hub bub was about the time frame, not the fact he was doing it.

It is the law in FL that ex-felons cannot vote. Scott has nothing to do with it. FL just passed an amendment changing this.

Scott has only asked for the right, given by FL state law, to be allowed to see certain counting. The county was denying it. Give proof, and not someone's opinion, that he is stopping votes from being counted.
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In Broward, provisional and regular ballots were incorrectly mixed together.

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Originally Posted by CE80 View Post
Take off your Republican glasses for a minute. Have any of you ever voted? Every gone in person to the board of elections? If you have done either, are you surprised that they have no idea how many ballots they still have to count?
Yes I am surprised. Every single ballot that is issued, either regular or provisional, has its own unique serial number.

They should know at all times exactly how many ballots have been issued, returned, processed/counted, etc. This is not rocket science, it is a very easy, straight-forward process.

Everything is recorded and entered into a computer. I do not understand how they can not know what is going on.

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I think Florida might need to overhaul their whole operation. Set up a state-appointed bipartisan commission to oversee the vote gathering and counting in every county. There seem to be too many statistical irregularities that keep happening.

Take this out of the hands of the local county people and let the state handle it.
I don't know that the state needs to do the counting, but they should have rules/processes to ensure fairness. I attended a class with a presentation by the REP & DEM leaders from Montgomery County (OH) and they work together to make sure the vote is accurate. BOTH parties have to be involved in gathering, counting, reporting the results. Doesn't sound real complicated to me. FL must have real govt problems to be constantly having voting issues.
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I am not sure how in the world Brenda Snipes still is in charge of Broward County elections.

She has quite a long rap sheet.

http://www.investmentwatchblog.com/b...f-voter-fraud/
There are mistakes / incompetence / corruption. Based on this link:
https://www.firstcoastnews.com/video...ons/77-8309163

It seems to me this is more in the incompetent bucket. Time will tell what's going on this election. Certainly, FL (not just the county) seems to show once again that it has poor governance of its election processes.
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How does early voting lead to lines? Plenty of days. Get your butt there. Prove those people would have voted early and could not.
I think you misread about early voting:
He said: Cut early voting, leading to 7 hour lines

Less early (from the "cut") voting means more voting on election day and (depending on how many voting machines are available) probably longer lines.
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Lawyers for Gillum, Nelson campaigns objected to noncitizen's vote being denied

Lawyers for the Florida Democratic gubernatorial and Senate candidates objected Friday to the rejection of a provisional ballot cast by a noncitizen, according to a transcript obtained by Fox News.

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Florida early voting:

The early voting period consists of a minimum mandatory period of 8 days. The mandatory early voting periods for 2018 are:
  • Primary Election: August 18 – August 25, 2018
  • General Election: October 27 – November 3, 2018
In addition, each county Supervisor of Elections may offer optional days of early voting in addition to the mandatory early voting period. Each Supervisor of Elections may choose from one or more of the following days for 2018:
  • Primary Election: August 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, and/or August 26, 2018
  • General Election: October 22, 23, 24, 25, 26 and/or November 4, 2018
Each day of early voting will be between 8 and 12 hours. Also, people may vote by mail. Looks like plenty of time to vote to me.
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IINM:

The FL Senate race is headed to a hand recount...0.25% difference or less.

The FL governor race is headed to a machine recount...0.50% difference or less.

Going to take a while I guess to count all those 8 million ballots by hand.


https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/Fed...ices/USSenator


https://floridaelectionwatch.gov/StateOffices/Governor


https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/flori...-laws-trigger/
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Lawyers for the Florida Democratic gubernatorial and Senate candidates objected Friday to the rejection of a provisional ballot cast by a noncitizen, according to a transcript obtained by Fox News.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/law...e-being-denied
Silly Republicans, disenfranchisement doesn’t matter if it’s happening to you.
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Democrats have 85 subpoenas ready to go. Is that what the citizens want?
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Wow, interesting headline:

A recount that erases a lead of more than a few hundred votes is unprecedented.

Great news for Scott and DeSantis.
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I think that the Democrats believe that their base has given them moral authority to just attack anything they can get their hands on regarding this Presidency, just for the sake of attacking and weakening it.

I looks like a two-year Kavanaugh trial that we are about to endure.
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I think that the Democrats believe that their base has given them moral authority to just attack anything they can get their hands on regarding this Presidency, just for the sake of attacking and weakening it.

I looks like a two-year Kavanaugh trial that we are about to endure.
And, of course, it’ll be all over the MSM, because that’s what boosts ratings. It’ll be “All Reality TV! All The Time!” And, at that point, I may have to cancel my TV service, and find another way to see our Flyers when they’re on the road.

The only good thing will be, if alien civilizations are watching, they may think it’s not worth the effort to conquer us.
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I don't know that the state needs to do the counting, but they should have rules/processes to ensure fairness. I attended a class with a presentation by the REP & DEM leaders from Montgomery County (OH) and they work together to make sure the vote is accurate. BOTH parties have to be involved in gathering, counting, reporting the results. Doesn't sound real complicated to me. FL must have real govt problems to be constantly having voting issues.
Just another Montgomery County voter here, but I’ve thought for a long time that our people generally get it right more often than you see in other states. No games of “Guess how many ballots are in the box!” No hanging, dangling, or any other kind of chads. No “Where did those ballots come from?” Just the rule of “1 citizen, 1 vote”. And no major controversies! What a concept!
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Wow, interesting headline:

A recount that erases a lead of more than a few hundred votes is unprecedented.

Great news for Scott and DeSantis.
It all depends on how many more ballots Broward County can, um, uh, “find”.
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