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Only one senior on the team who would have been there when Shauna was an assistant and this player averages 11 per game. Her name is Kunaiyi-Akpanah and she averages FIVE offensive boards a game and 11 total rebounds a game. Pulliam, a 5'10 guard is their leading scorer at 16.8 ppg. I watched their Big 10 Tourney game against MSU and I was impressed with 6-4 center Abby Wolf though she only averages 5 ppg. Had some impressive non conference wins namely at Green Bay in the opener and clobbered Duke by 26. Beat Michigan St. and Indiana in conference. It would take three wins to host a game and the potential exists in round two for a rematch at Toledo.
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Is the game televised, radio, streaming? I can't find anything yet.
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Neither could I. I've emailed the sports information contact and I will replay when I get that information. I didn't even see any coverage on the Northwestern site yet.
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Alex will be doing it on radio or I guess portal stretch internet. I've asked about ESPN Plus.
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Here's the video option... Big Ten Network 2 Go - https://www.btn2go.com/game/dayton-a...rn-on-03212019
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Losing 17-6 after one. Scaife, our only player as usual, the only one with points. Maybe good this mess is not on TV.
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Northwestern leads 17-6 after first quarter.

I have only the stats to follow the game but they are terrible. Flyers shooting 12%. We have 2 buckets and 5 turnovers! Scaife is our only player to score. This is embarrassing. For those of you watching - how bad is it?
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6 points in 1q. Shauna had them ready to go!
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And the woes continue. 1st qtr NU 17 UD 6

Jayla with the 6 pts. UD shooting 11.8 %

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Old 03-21-2019, 08:29 PM
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Outscoring NU in 3rd 3 to 2 at 5 min mark. Thank god couldn't get it on tv.
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It is getting worse if that is possible. 39-17 Northwestern at the half.

Scaife with 15. Fowler got a bucket with a minute left in the half as the only other Flyer to score. Scaife is 5-10 from the field. Everyone else is 1-21. We shot 19% with 6 buckets and 11 turnovers. Good gosh almighty.
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Excepting Jayla- the rest of the team is 1 for 21. You almost can’t belive this!
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UD JAYLA 15 pts of the 17. Shooting 19%

39 - 17 half.

Everyone except Jayla including coaches need to really think about these embarrassing performances. It's truly pathetic from top to bottom.
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Green needs to go. She’s running this program into the ground. Bad coaching, poor recruiting , horrible strategy.
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Proving tonight we have one player that can compete at this level. The rest are average or below A10 players. I am done complaining. Green dealt her hand and she’s being punished now. I seriously give her two more years, given that next year there is little help on the way, and it’s not like Green has not done okay up to this year. Hopefully she has learned that you recruit well, or you die.
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I wouldn't say she needs to go, this is her first bad season.. how many horrific seasons did Jabir have before he even got a 20 win season? I'll wait...RIGHT. One bad year does not define her as a coach. Like I've said before, she has 3 championships and this is just her third year. Give the woman a break. Yes much is expected out of her and the staff to preform but you cannot always place blame on the coach because at the end of the day, she can give them all the tools and knowledge they need to beat a team and they can go out there and fall to pieces, she can't make shots for them. She shouldn't be to blame when shots just simply aren't falling or players aren't playing hard but unfortunately - she gets all the heat because she is the coach. Now, I'm not saying she hasn't had her days nor is she perfect but she doesn't deserve to be burned at the stake. The program is fine and will be fine. Jabir would've had us drowning in the Dead Sea which technically is impossible but im sure he would've found a way.
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Agree Shauna is not going anywhere after this season. Question is this an anomaly. Not much on the horizon for next year. The problem with this year was high expectations even after losing our scorers based on their performance in Italy last summer. We won all three games while ky went 2-1.

Not sure what happened to chandler but she has lost all confidence. Body language not good, hangs head after missed shot.
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I wouldn't say she needs to go, this is her first bad season.. how many horrific seasons did Jabir have before he even got a 20 win season? I'll wait...RIGHT. One bad year does not define her as a coach. Like I've said before, she has 3 championships and this is just her third year. Give the woman a break. Yes much is expected out of her and the staff to preform but you cannot always place blame on the coach because at the end of the day, she can give them all the tools and knowledge they need to beat a team and they can go out there and fall to pieces, she can't make shots for them. She shouldn't be to blame when shots just simply aren't falling or players aren't playing hard but unfortunately - she gets all the heat because she is the coach. Now, I'm not saying she hasn't had her days nor is she perfect but she doesn't deserve to be burned at the stake. The program is fine and will be fine. Jabir would've had us drowning in the Dead Sea which technically is impossible but im sure he would've found a way.
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What's really disconcerting is Skeens doesn't see any pt on a very poor shooting team. Don't speak well of a ship or help for next year. The horizon is bleak. Coaching changes coming at season end. Need right assistants for recruiting and development, which seems terribly lacking this year.
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A grand total of 1 bucket for 3 points from the seniors in their last game as Flyers. What's up with that?
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Thank god this game and season is over. Shooting 27% for the game should cement this team as the worst offensive team in UD history.

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17 buckets and 16 turnovers and 27% shooting - about as bad as it gets. Jayla with 24 was the only bright spot.
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A grand total of 1 bucket for 3 points from the seniors in their last game as Flyers. What's up with that?
It's the true story of most inept class and team in many a year. Lauren would have had a hard time scoring 500 points it it weren't for the great supporting Cass she had for her first 3 yesrs. Sad but true.
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This season definitely falls back on the coaches. A group of individual parts that never came together as a team. Without a doubt this staff failed in developing these players.

Shauna may have to clean house or at least evaluate where the staff failed. I still question bringing in so many transfers. They just never meshed or jelled as a team
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It's the true story of most inept class and team in many a year. Lauren would have had a hard time scoring 500 points it it weren't for the great supporting Cass she had for her first 3 yesrs. Sad but true.
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This season definitely falls back on the coaches. A group of individual parts that never came together as a team. Without a doubt this staff failed in developing these players.

Shauna may have to clean house or at least evaluate where the staff failed. I still question bringing in so many transfers. They just never meshed or jelled as a team
I understand the concerns about transfer players, but what would have been a better option to replace the non-existent true sophomore class? All of those commits bailed when JJ left. I don't know that loading up with more freshmen would have been a good solution.
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It's proverbial question. When it works you're a genius, when not a goat.

Don't know what went into the evaluation of the transfers, nor do I know what the freshmen talent pool was like for that
Class. It's a hit and miss. I'd gone with freshmen you get 4 years to develop vs trying to fit transfers into a new program. Just too many variables to try and meld into a team.

A highly regarded Transfer has helped many a team but don't recall a team prospering from 5 transfers.
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It's proverbial question. When it works you're a genius, when not a goat.

Don't know what went into the evaluation of the transfers, nor do I know what the freshmen talent pool was like for that
Class. It's a hit and miss. I'd gone with freshmen you get 4 years to develop vs trying to fit transfers into a new program. Just too many variables to try and meld into a team.

A highly regarded Transfer has helped many a team but don't recall a team prospering from 5 transfers.
There is the chance to develop, but you also have to consider how many are in each class for stability - only get 15 scholarships. Let's say the team had gone with 4 more freshmen this year. Assuming all stayed, would have had 7 in one class, which really messes up the long term player replacement plan, especially when all 7 are seniors and leave.

Couple that with the fact that only 1 of this year's 3 freshmen got any significant play time, so how many more were out there late in the recruiting game that would've been able to contribute right away? I don't remember, but I wouldn't be surprised if there were commits from this year's freshman class that walked away when JJ left.

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But look how many years Jabir didn't fill the classes holding a ship or two. Women get 15 to men's 13. Don't mean you have fill roster with bodies. She could have done fine with less. As I see it she didn't hit the jackpot with any got to gave player.

Possibly lessons learned. She can coach but feel she got too distracted with so many options.

With fewer players she might have concentrated more on developing 7 or 8 in stead of trying to get the right combinations
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But look how many years Jabir didn't fill the classes holding a ship or two. Women get 15 to men's 13. Don't mean you have fill roster with bodies. She could have done fine with less. As I see it she didn't hit the jackpot with any got to gave player.

Possibly lessons learned. She can coach but feel she got too distracted with so many options.

With fewer players she might have concentrated more on developing 7 or 8 in stead of trying to get the right combinations
Yeah, I get that, and the coach certainly isn't under any obligation to fill all 15 scholarship slots. If you take 7 or 8 in one class, though, and only 1 or 2 (or even 3 or 4) develop quickly enough to significantly contribute as freshmen or sophomores, that could be 3 to 6 scholarships that aren't available for a year or three if the others don't develop to the level the team needs. Plus, having roughly half your scholarships in one class really makes it hard for even growth in a program year-to-year. I realize that players leave for lots of reasons, including play time. You probably can guesstimate that as you plan for the future, but I don't think you can count on it, especially in WBB.

I would also think it would affect downstream recruiting for some years, because:
1. There might only be 1 or 2 scholarships available for any given year
2. Particularly for the year after the large class, you might lose some good recruits who don't want to risk 2 or 3 bench years waiting for the (large) class ahead to move on.

I think most college coaches would tell you that recruiting is one of the most challenging and often distasteful parts of the job. It comes with the territory, though, and at the end of the day the HC bears responsibility.

Transfers allow you to plug holes that have developed in the roster and keep the basic flow of players going. Sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn't.

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Of course bringing 7 or 8 freshman will unbalance the classes that is why I sai d pick 4 and hold the other ships. We've had 10 players before no need taking bodies just to fill the sllotment. Add a transfer if will fill a need but not 5 I f them.
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You seem to be real down, and I mean way down on Jabir. What is that about?@
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Not down on him at all, just pointing out facts. Just like you all had faith in him, have faith in her. Sorry the wording got your britches in a wad hahaha
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All I can say is a depressing ending to a very frustrating season. I could've seen a result like this in a first round NCAA game but not in a NIT game.
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Not down on him at all, just pointing out facts. Just like you all had faith in him, have faith in her. Sorry the wordingrg got your britches in a wad hahaha
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You’re pointing out “facts”?? What facts. I like Green and would give her two more years, despite her mediocre recruiting. Jabir, I hated some of his coaching style, but c’mon girl, the facts don’t show him drowning us or even near water. State your facts. Put up or...
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Facts, here are the facts. Jabir built this program to be competitive in A10 and NCAA appearances. The highlight being the elite 8 run. With that great expectations for the next year and beyound.

But fortunes changed. While we picked up some high profile players we got hit hard with injuries and illinesses. None of that due to anything coach Jabir did. Two years in a row of injuries etc set the program back a tad, not a spiral downward as suggested. The straw that broke the camels back was when Madiline became unable to play. UCONN was on the schedule, UD with less than a full complement of quality players was a bit too much for jabir.

Sometime people panic over the thought of failing, and others are afraid of success.

Where Jabir's accountablity comes into play is not his coaching or recruiting but his departure. We lost two classes which if Shauna Green were not available we could have nose dived....but we didn't. Now we have a new problem to solve. It'll take a lot of soul searching by returning players and coaches.
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All I can say is a depressing ending to a very frustrating season. I could've seen a result like this in a first round NCAA game but not in a NIT game.
Agreed very disappointed especially after a successful trip to Italy. We win all three while Ky only wins 2.

But getting individual talents from various programs to come together may be harder than one imagines.

Twenty years ago DePaul got 5 five star recruits. Each an all American. They were expected to be world beaters. On pape they shoukd have been but they failed to live uo to the hype. Too many individuals playing like individuals instead of a team. DePaul never recovered after that.

Since our problem is not 5 star players hopefully a year together with a summer to work on individual skills the coaches cab put humpty dumpty back together again.
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You’re pointing out “facts”?? What facts. I like Green and would give her two more years, despite her mediocre recruiting. Jabir, I hated some of his coaching style, but c’mon girl, the facts don’t show him drowning us or even near water. State your facts. Put up or...
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LOLOLOL the facts are that Jabir had some losing seasons.Jabir's last season before stepping down... team went 14-15 & WNIT.., thats a FACT.. Never said he wasn't a good coach but With the state he was in, the boat may have kept sinking. Who knows.. but what I do know is that Shauna brought it back to life. take the broom stick out of your butt dude hahahahaha
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Interesting Flyer34 is against personal attacks but just like Maddog she keeps attacking jabir.
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Agreed very disappointed especially after a successful trip to Italy. We win all three while Ky only wins 2.

But getting individual talents from various programs to come together may be harder than one imagines.

Twenty years ago DePaul got 5 five star recruits. Each an all American. They were expected to be world beaters. On pape they shoukd have been but they failed to live uo to the hype. Too many individuals playing like individuals instead of a team. DePaul never recovered after that.

Since our problem is not 5 star players hopefully a year together with a summer to work on individual skills the coaches cab put humpty dumpty back together again.
Hopefully we don't have the "individual" problem, which is unusual for women, common for men.

In any case, while I think Green should be allowed to complete her five year (?) contract, I think her seat should be a bit warm next season. The direction of the program is key...not just current results. Right now there is little optimism for next year. Hopefully that is wrong.
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What's really disconcerting is Skeens doesn't see any pt on a very poor shooting team. Don't speak well of a ship or help for next year. The horizon is bleak. Coaching changes coming at season end. Need right assistants for recruiting and development, which seems terribly lacking this year.
Maybe because of the pace of the game..? She can shoot it very well and has a promising upside but if she wasn't playing im going to assume it had to do with the pace on both ends.
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That's what the off season will hopefully do for her, but we'll have to wait an see what she brings. D1 big step up from HS especially if from a small school.
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Maybe because of the pace of the game..? She can shoot it very well and has a promising upside but if she wasn't playing im going to assume it had to do with the pace on both ends.
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Only seen her in person at SLU game where she was biggest cheerleader on the bench. One time in the game for Jayla to shoot free throws. Missed both understandable coming in cold. My observations I'd call her a Harley girl. From HS vids and seeing her in person she's not someone to be pushed around. Should bump with the best of them.

HS vids show she can dribble drive, has mid range and of course the parimeter shot. Asset wise she looks to have complete game, just wish she got more pt especially in games where no one could buy a bucket, which unfortunately was way too often thus year.

We'll seasons over, now a new clean slate to start next season. Could be an amazing year with proper adjustments and incoming players, or a repeat. Believe we were scheduled to host UCONN this next year if still on.
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Of course bringing 7 or 8 freshman will unbalance the classes that is why I sai d pick 4 and hold the other ships. We've had 10 players before no need taking bodies just to fill the sllotment. Add a transfer if will fill a need but not 5 I f them.
What's the point of holding on to an entire class worth of scholarships and purposefully shorting your bench?
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You’re pointing out “facts”?? What facts. I like Green and would give her two more years, despite her mediocre recruiting. Jabir, I hated some of his coaching style, but c’mon girl, the facts don’t show him drowning us or even near water. State your facts. Put up or...
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I don't know that you can call one class worth of recruiting mediocre. Kyla Whitehead got significant minutes this year and did well. I think there's a positive upside to Davidson and Skeens for next year.

Transfers are trickier. Based on pedigree, I don't think the ones she got were bad decisions.
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HS to Div 1 top tier

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That's what the off season will hopefully do for her, but we'll have to wait an see what she brings. D1 big step up from HS especially if from a small school.
Re Avid's point about the HS to D1 step, UConn is able to recruit the best HS players...and they do. Reading UConn's player bios never ceases to amaze me. The freshmen invariably were all-state on a team that won the state championship...they set all school records, etc., very highly recruited by top schools.

Of three UConn freshmen, for example, one is able to contribute; the other two appear to have never played BB. Of those two, one will improve enough as a soph to make a contribution, even a major contribution. The other improves a bit but never develops...rides the bench for four years or transfers after two years and plays well elsewhere.

Those transfers are not misfits for one reason or another. They can be good players somewhere, just not at the very highest level. Hopefully Green's transfers are in that category...not well suited to play at Baylor, ND, etc, but are able to develop into solid contributors in a top 25-35 program even if not a top ten program.

There's a great deal of pressure at the top playing in front of 10,000 fans who expect a Final Four team every year or the season is a failure. Not all players can deal with that...but such players (transfers) can be very good at the D1 level nonetheless. I hope we have a few of those.
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What's the point of holding on to an entire class worth of scholarships and purposefully shorting your bench?
Jabir seldom used all 15 ships. Why fill up a class with bodies if they can't be effective and contribute.

I feel keep couple ships available fore you don't know when there will be a last minutes reclass, or some one transferring mid year.
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Typical response when you can't handle the truth or opinions of others. Might want to follow your own advice, but we know better you have to have last word on everything.

So glad you think I or others should just shut up because we don't fit your narative.

As former player and female we know where your coming frim.
A former player, yes from some years ago, with my own kid now but could care less about you fitting my narrative haha because Im sure you wouldn't have this energy in person, I typically don't have to have the last word and i can handle pretty much anything thrown at me lol has absolutely NOTHING to do with me being a female but with you being older and more than likely a conservative male, I know where you're coming from
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I’d let the better players play and shotcan the relentless hockey line changes. I’d create some inside out plays. On our team once it entered the post it generally resulted in a miss or a t/ o and it never came back out. I’d actually go see some of the transfers play before giving them a full ride....or do you think the 3 minutes Bradshaw played at SC was sufficient to know she could help. Or Maddy just on tape. I wouldn’t start a player that can only play until she’s hungry which is about 3 minutes. I’d insist on conditioning or your off the team. I certainly wouldn’t start Bradshaw every game . Who has a starting pg that hits a three every three games, can’t drive ... and averages 1. 6 baskets a freaking game.

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I don't know that you can call one class worth of recruiting mediocre. Kyla Whitehead got significant minutes this year and did well. I think there's a positive upside to Davidson and Skeens for next year.

Transfers are trickier. Based on pedigree, I don't think the ones she got were bad decisions.
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Did well! How do we define well.... barely more than one basket a game!! That’s well!! Well then if that’s that standard I apologize. We are freaking killing it!!
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She had more rebounds and only 22 fewer points than Jodie Cornelie-Sigmundova had in the same number of games as a freshman. I call that doing well.
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1 basket a game. Reread that will ya. Comparing her to someone else who didn’t exactly light it up is absurd.
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I’d let the better players play and shotcan the relentless hockey line changes.
Which ones. Everybody played. Everybody was ineffective on offense. Which specific players did you want to see more minutes from, and which specific players did you want to see fewer minutes from? And dont say Skeens. Don't even go down that path. That's like saying Grant's offense was held back because Policelli hasnt gotten enough minutes. If Skeens was the magic bullet, she'd been playing. Coaches dont keep players on the bench that can help them win games. Coaches like to win too. The assumption always seems to be with fans that players on the bench are being robbed of PT in some sinister plot to keep them from every maximizing potential. Here's a thought: as inconsistent as the players who are playing, maybe the bench players are even MORE inconsistent? Devin Oliver couldnt make an uncontested layup as a freshman without getting the yips. As a senior he was our heartbeat and now cashes checks playing pro ball. When players are ready and can contribute, coaches will play them. Its really as simple as that. Maybe they make more mistakes in practice. Maybe they always finish in the bottom 1/3 when running gassers even though they could easily finish in the top 1/3. Maybe they show up on time to practice, which is late because on time is 15 minutes early. We have no idea. Im convinced however if Shauna could win more games with different players on the court or different lineups, she'd have tried it. You can experiment, but you can be suicidal either. There are certain lineups and certain personnel that simply cannot be on the same court at the same time in their respective career paths at any given snapshot in time. You might as well just forfeit. Shauna doesnt owe anybody on the team anything other than an equal measuring stick. Maybe that means at times she's choosing the lesser of evils, but she's still trying to leverage the best assets she has.

I’d create some inside out plays. On our team once it entered the post it generally resulted in a miss or a t/ o and it never came back out.
We couldnt shoot from the inside and couldnt shoot from the outside, wide open or contested. You really wanted this team to shoot MORE from the outside? Which perimeter jumpshooters did you have faith in to introduce this strategy that would yield better results? And those same players who had trouble knocking down shots played very good defense. What if the players on the bench are professional Matadors on defense? You want to trade 2 or 3 on one end of the court for MAYBE 2 every three trips down the court for your offense? That ain't no gameplan. I think Shauna realized early on this offense was not going to show the kind of progress needed and she put her eggs in the defensive basket hoping to keep the score down and somehow win with taking care of the ball, making FTs, and getting a few fortunate shots to fall. I would have done the same thing. I used to play on soccer teams like this: zero offense but a good defense. We would never win trying to win 4-3. We had to win 1-0 or we werent going to win.

I’d actually go see some of the transfers play before giving them a full ride....or do you think the 3 minutes Bradshaw played at SC was sufficient to know she could help. Or Maddy just on tape.
This suggestion doesnt count because this is recruiting and you already mentioned recruiting in things that need to get better. Strategy is entirely something else -- which is why you listed it separately from recruiting.

I wouldn’t start a player that can only play until she’s hungry which is about 3 minutes. I’d insist on conditioning or your off the team. I certainly wouldn’t start Bradshaw every game . Who has a starting pg that hits a three every three games, can’t drive ... and averages 1. 6 baskets a freaking game.
Fair enough. Which players were, to your satisfaction, in shape and deserved more playing time that would have changed outcomes? If the conclusion is "everybody is out of shape", then swapping players in the lineup would have no effect. Your strategy argument contended on the assumption that Shauna was erroneously ignoring a better strategy to win games this year that you know about but she was unaware or ignorant of. Since you've made the argument to bench Bradshaw -- which is a perfectly fair argument -- which player or players do you substitute in her place that are better dribble-drive players with the basketball in their hands? Can you name one? I can't, but perhaps you can. Im not suggesting Bradshaw being one of the best dribble-drive players on the team is a good thing, but I'm saying there were no alternatives beyond Fowler. Which superstar dribble-drive guard was Shauna constantly overlooking? And what stats back up your argument that Shauna was completely blind to the better guard play and ability to get to, and finish, at the basket?

Finally , I’d clean house. As of today we have one (1) competent A10 player. Next year looks like going to be tragic. I think I’d Jayla got hurt we might not win a game.
This suggestion doesnt count either because it would have no effect on the season just played -- which is what we were discussing. Future personnel changes is something different. You mentioned you had better strategies to win with this specific team. This is not one of those because it does not address this year, only future years.

I asked for on-court game strategies (which you insisted you were privy to) and you listed nothing but recruiting exploits and schemes to give bad shooters more bad shots from bad positions on the court. I think you need to re-assess your strategic acumen, watch more game film, and then try this again before re-writing Shauna's entire offense.

I will concede there are some questionable recruiting fits that on paper looked tasty but have been disappointing. But offensive sets, setting screens, dribble-drive, and rebounding are in-game strategies. You went out of your way to specifically differentiate strategies from recruiting. Thus far, Ive heard nothing strategy-wise from your comments would have yielded another basket going through the hoop other than more shots from bad jumpshooters. Im sure Shauna would beg to have that kind of intel to solve the problem.

Lauren and Jayla were the only solid jumpshooters we had. They simply cannot take 99 out of 100 shots. If that was our strategy we'd probably never score because teams would just load up on them and they'd never get open to begin with. Shauna was keenly aware all season that we were offensively challenged. Her body language on the sidelines, at times, mimicked the fans. She cringed at the missed bunnies and wide open Js like everybody else. The best she can do is create an offense that generates open shots. I thought, at least in a preponderance of games, we got fairly good looks. But we couldnt shoot straight. And against the best teams those looks were harder to come by. Shauna cant shoot those shots for her players. She scored 2,000pts in college -- Im fairly convinced she knows more about scoring in WBB than most arm-chair coaches.

In my opinion this was a season with few answers available at the staff's disposal. The answer wasnt in the starting lineup nor on the bench. We were just a day late/dollar short from 1-15. I do agree strength and conditioning must improve, recruiting evaluation get better, etc. We must improve in all areas after this season. But at the end of the day, players still make plays -- or dont. Winning is still 80% recruiting, 20% coaching. Geno never won 35 games in a season with a bunch of retreads. Shauna took two teams with good but not great talent to a pair of A10 titles. The 2017 an 2018 teams did not have a Malott or Hoover but we still hoisted hardware. I'm disappointed this year -- as is Im sure the players and staff. But I dont abandon all hope after one clunker of a year. Not given that we've basically been on top for a decade. If we're in this same position 2-3 seasons from now -- thats a different matter.

Just need to get better in all areas. Bigger, stronger, faster, better footwork, finishing, intangibles (turnovers, free throws, offensive rebounds, etc). Mike Kryzyewski should have been fired after his third season -- 17-13, 10-17, 11-17. Yeah feasted off the prior guys players in year one then bottoming as his own guys started showing up.

I seriously doubt Shauna will be sitting around all summer on her houseboat thinking "gee things will be fine next year, we just got in a bad funk last season. I dont need to do much other than reset the clock." As frustrated as the fans were Im sure she was 10x frustrated. The woman was a scoring machine in college. You want to pi55 off a coach? Pi55 one off that could score at will in college by missing shots most teams deem makeable. She was probably thinking "Im pushing 40 and could have still made that shot." That aggravation alone will keep her busy and locked in this offseason. She knows some things need to change. Im sure she's already thinking of ways to get better.

But if fans want to offer the team their free coaching clinics, Im sure she'd pencil you in. Just be sure to bring your resume' alongside your Bike shorts, tube socks, Easy Spirits, and coaching whistle.
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1 basket a game. Reread that will ya. Comparing her to someone else who didn’t exactly light it up is absurd.
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No, what's absurd is thinking that every freshman needs to play like a senior or they're a bad recruiting decision.

By her senior year, Cornelie averaged 8.8 points and 6.9 rebounds a game. I wouldn't call it exceptional, but I'd call it doing well.
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Which ones. Everybody played. Everybody was ineffective on offense. Which specific players did you want to see more minutes from, and which specific players did you want to see fewer minutes from? And dont say Skeens. Don't even go down that path. That's like saying Grant's offense was held back because Policelli hasnt gotten enough minutes. If Skeens was the magic bullet, she'd been playing. Coaches dont keep players on the bench that can help them win games. Coaches like to win too. The assumption always seems to be with fans that players on the bench are being robbed of PT in some sinister plot to keep them from every maximizing potential. Here's a thought: as inconsistent as the players who are playing, maybe the bench players are even MORE inconsistent? Devin Oliver couldnt make an uncontested layup as a freshman without getting the yips. As a senior he was our heartbeat and now cashes checks playing pro ball. When players are ready and can contribute, coaches will play them. Its really as simple as that. Maybe they make more mistakes in practice. Maybe they always finish in the bottom 1/3 when running gassers even though they could easily finish in the top 1/3. Maybe they show up on time to practice, which is late because on time is 15 minutes early. We have no idea. Im convinced however if Shauna could win more games with different players on the court or different lineups, she'd have tried it. You can experiment, but you can be suicidal either. There are certain lineups and certain personnel that simply cannot be on the same court at the same time in their respective career paths at any given snapshot in time. You might as well just forfeit. Shauna doesnt owe anybody on the team anything other than an equal measuring stick. Maybe that means at times she's choosing the lesser of evils, but she's still trying to leverage the best assets she has.

I give up. You are right . No need to make changes . It’s all good. Maybe I set my expectations too high for a program with far more resources and history of success than anyone in our conference.

We couldnt shoot from the inside and couldnt shoot from the outside, wide open or contested. You really wanted this team to shoot MORE from the outside? Which perimeter jumpshooters did you have faith in to introduce this strategy that would yield better results? And those same players who had trouble knocking down shots played very good defense. What if the players on the bench are professional Matadors on defense? You want to trade 2 or 3 on one end of the court for MAYBE 2 every three trips down the court for your offense? That ain't no gameplan. I think Shauna realized early on this offense was not going to show the kind of progress needed and she put her eggs in the defensive basket hoping to keep the score down and somehow win with taking care of the ball, making FTs, and getting a few fortunate shots to fall. I would have done the same thing. I used to play on soccer teams like this: zero offense but a good defense. We would never win trying to win 4-3. We had to win 1-0 or we werent going to win.



This suggestion doesnt count because this is recruiting and you already mentioned recruiting in things that need to get better. Strategy is entirely something else -- which is why you listed it separately from recruiting.



Fair enough. Which players were, to your satisfaction, in shape and deserved more playing time that would have changed outcomes? If the conclusion is "everybody is out of shape", then swapping players in the lineup would have no effect. Your strategy argument contended on the assumption that Shauna was erroneously ignoring a better strategy to win games this year that you know about but she was unaware or ignorant of. Since you've made the argument to bench Bradshaw -- which is a perfectly fair argument -- which player or players do you substitute in her place that are better dribble-drive players with the basketball in their hands? Can you name one? I can't, but perhaps you can. Im not suggesting Bradshaw being one of the best dribble-drive players on the team is a good thing, but I'm saying there were no alternatives beyond Fowler. Which superstar dribble-drive guard was Shauna constantly overlooking? And what stats back up your argument that Shauna was completely blind to the better guard play and ability to get to, and finish, at the basket?



This suggestion doesnt count either because it would have no effect on the season just played -- which is what we were discussing. Future personnel changes is something different. You mentioned you had better strategies to win with this specific team. This is not one of those because it does not address this year, only future years.

I asked for on-court game strategies (which you insisted you were privy to) and you listed nothing but recruiting exploits and schemes to give bad shooters more bad shots from bad positions on the court. I think you need to re-assess your strategic acumen, watch more game film, and then try this again before re-writing Shauna's entire offense.

I will concede there are some questionable recruiting fits that on paper looked tasty but have been disappointing. But offensive sets, setting screens, dribble-drive, and rebounding are in-game strategies. You went out of your way to specifically differentiate strategies from recruiting. Thus far, Ive heard nothing strategy-wise from your comments would have yielded another basket going through the hoop other than more shots from bad jumpshooters. Im sure Shauna would beg to have that kind of intel to solve the problem.

Lauren and Jayla were the only solid jumpshooters we had. They simply cannot take 99 out of 100 shots. If that was our strategy we'd probably never score because teams would just load up on them and they'd never get open to begin with. Shauna was keenly aware all season that we were offensively challenged. Her body language on the sidelines, at times, mimicked the fans. She cringed at the missed bunnies and wide open Js like everybody else. The best she can do is create an offense that generates open shots. I thought, at least in a preponderance of games, we got fairly good looks. But we couldnt shoot straight. And against the best teams those looks were harder to come by. Shauna cant shoot those shots for her players. She scored 2,000pts in college -- Im fairly convinced she knows more about scoring in WBB than most arm-chair coaches.

In my opinion this was a season with few answers available at the staff's disposal. The answer wasnt in the starting lineup nor on the bench. We were just a day late/dollar short from 1-15. I do agree strength and conditioning must improve, recruiting evaluation get better, etc. We must improve in all areas after this season. But at the end of the day, players still make plays -- or dont. Winning is still 80% recruiting, 20% coaching. Geno never won 35 games in a season with a bunch of retreads. Shauna took two teams with good but not great talent to a pair of A10 titles. The 2017 an 2018 teams did not have a Malott or Hoover but we still hoisted hardware. I'm disappointed this year -- as is Im sure the players and staff. But I dont abandon all hope after one clunker of a year. Not given that we've basically been on top for a decade. If we're in this same position 2-3 seasons from now -- thats a different matter.

Just need to get better in all areas. Bigger, stronger, faster, better footwork, finishing, intangibles (turnovers, free throws, offensive rebounds, etc). Mike Kryzyewski should have been fired after his third season -- 17-13, 10-17, 11-17. Yeah feasted off the prior guys players in year one then bottoming as his own guys started showing up.

I seriously doubt Shauna will be sitting around all summer on her houseboat thinking "gee things will be fine next year, we just got in a bad funk last season. I dont need to do much other than reset the clock." As frustrated as the fans were Im sure she was 10x frustrated. The woman was a scoring machine in college. You want to pi55 off a coach? Pi55 one off that could score at will in college by missing shots most teams deem makeable. She was probably thinking "Im pushing 40 and could have still made that shot." That aggravation alone will keep her busy and locked in this offseason. She knows some things need to change. Im sure she's already thinking of ways to get better.

But if fans want to offer the team their free coaching clinics, Im sure she'd pencil you in. Just be sure to bring your resume' alongside your Bike shorts, tube socks, Easy Spirits, and coaching whistle.
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No, what's absurd is thinking that every freshman needs to play like a senior or they're a bad recruiting decision.

By her senior year, Cornelie averaged 8.8 points and 6.9 rebounds a game. I wouldn't call it exceptional, but I'd call it doing well.
ONE, that 1, uno, a singleton. A basket a game. Yeah baby maybe we should build our team around her. Very wise. Looks like a budding star.
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ONE, that 1, uno, a singleton. A basket a game. Yeah baby maybe we should build our team around her. Very wise. Looks like a budding star.
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