Transfer Portal

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Right now the only guys who’ve been publicly linked that I can find are Xavier Foster and Jermaine Couisnard I think everyone else is just speculation Posted via Mobile Device

Xavier Foster at 7'0" 233 lb. seems like a better choice than either Tyrone Baker or the Turnbull kid who just decommited from Butler if Anthony Grant is looking for a replacement for Holmes after next season. Foster, a 5 star out of Tuskaloosa High School, was dismissed from the Iowa St. team last season for a variety of reasons but was recently cleared of the most grievous one. Like Tyrone Baker Foster had an injury and both players would seem to be looking for a fresh start and to prove people wrong who questioned their talent. Both are good three point shooters!

	Xavier XAVIER MUSKETEERS Dayton's biggest rival dating back to the early 1900s. Founded in 1831, Xavier University is a Jesuit, Catholic university in Cincinnati, Ohio. Its three colleges offer 78 undergraduate majors, 43 minors and 11 graduate programs to 6,646 total students, including 3,961 undergraduates. The University is the sixth-oldest Catholic university in the nation and one of 28 Jesuit colleges and universities nationwide. Xavier's nickname is the Musketeers and are fellow A10 Conference members.

[N2663R]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Heard a rumor today that UK is trying to get Holmes to jump on another ship next year. Not surprised but curious about it. It would just be 1 more reason to dislike all things UK. Posted via Mobile Device

Interesting, according to the NCAA, a team cannot contact a player from another team until they are in the portal - not saying it doesn't happen, but if you can prove it happened . . . .

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_...e_Transfer.pdf

[Medford]

If true.... I doubt Coach Cal is "contacting him" Most likely its someone (Perhaps TyTy) that has a previously relationship and has let it be known there are big NIL dollars out there for him at a place like Kentucky

[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by N2663R Interesting, according to the NCAA, a team cannot contact a player from another team until they are in the portal - not saying it doesn't happen, but if you can prove it happened . . . . http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_...e_Transfer.pdf

I have some ocean front property in Kansas to sell you too.

I have seen names hit the transfer portal and at least according to this site within an hour or two have a new home already.

https://www.verbalcommits.com/transfers/2022

[maddog07]

[QUOTE=flyerfanatic86;693849]

Originally Posted by maddog07 Jordan Sibert couldn't get off the bench at OSU and he turned out alright

Was OSU the worst team in the conference, desperate for anyone who could help?
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[Marysville Flyer]

[QUOTE=maddog07;693876]

Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 Was OSU the worst team in the conference, desperate for anyone who could help? Posted via Mobile Device

Why would we want a skinny kid from NY who has no D1 offers and may have academic issues?
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[flyerfanatic86]

[QUOTE=maddog07;693876]

Originally Posted by flyerfanatic86 Was OSU the worst team in the conference, desperate for anyone who could help? Posted via Mobile Device

Are you accusing Tom Crean of being a great basketball coach? For somebody who craps on AG every chance you get, you're giving Crean the benefit of the doubt?

[springborofan]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Heard a rumor today that UK is trying to get Holmes to jump on another ship next year. Not surprised but curious about it. It would just be 1 more reason to dislike all things UK. Posted via Mobile Device

He’s not in the portal. UK wouldn’t do that. Why…that’s unethical! They run a clean program! Calipari has never cheated!…

[steve]

Originally Posted by N2663R Interesting, according to the NCAA, a team cannot contact a player from another team until they are in the portal - not saying it doesn't happen, but if you can prove it happened . . . . http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_...e_Transfer.pdf

Rules don't mean crap to most schools and especially Calipari and KY.Not only that but it doesn't even have to be a school/Coach/booster that contacts a player. Most of these players know each other from the season, AAU, etc. and all it takes is relaying a message from so and so during a routine phone call or text.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Heard a rumor today that UK is trying to get Holmes to jump on another ship next year. Not surprised but curious about it. It would just be 1 more reason to dislike all things UK. Posted via Mobile Device

I just heard a rumor that all rumors about Deuce leaving are garbage.

[Hyde Park Flyer]

Yeah, I’m picking up what you’re laying down. I heard it from someone in the media. Seemed a bit more interesting. This wasn’t overzealous speculation. While I think Deuce is a Flyer until he enters the draft, I do think there will be plenty of bait in the back channels.
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[ClaytonFlyerFan]

Originally Posted by Medford If true.... I doubt Coach Cal is "contacting him" Most likely its someone (Perhaps TyTy) that has a previously relationship and has let it be known there are big NIL dollars out there for him at a place like Kentucky

Not TyTy as he just announced he is going pro but your point is spot on, could be anyone getting in his ear. Guarantee the poaching of smaller schools is being attempted by many of the big boys given the current rules.

[Medford]

Not saying TyTy as a fact or anything, or even saying anything directly relating to this rumor, just pointing out how easy it would be to use backdoor channels so nothing could be brought down on the school/coaching staff. I'm sure it happens all the time, even more so in the day and age of NIL and the Portal/instant eligibility.


Trent Meachem didn't decide to transfer then just so happened to discover that Illinois had a spot for him, he transferred knowing full well he was going to Illinois; that part isn't anything new.


Hell, it doesn't even have to be initiated by the school. A college sophomore is home over a break and talking to his HS coach or AAU coach or mentor or whomever helped guide him thru the recruiting process out of HS. He mentions that he's not happy with the school or wishing for more (be it playing time, misses home, NIL money, etc...) so the "handler" says let me make some calls and reaches out to his contacts to see who is interested, gets back to the kid and say "hot ****" enters the portal then has his first official contact with the schools in question and lists his top 3 destinations.

[Bill McPeek]

Does anyone know if there is any interest in Mou or Elijah Weaver?

[UDTradition]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek Does anyone know if there is any interest in Mou or Elijah Weaver?

We should start a chant to invite them back... Both were very important players and UD will have difficulty replacing them based upon the current configuration of the starting 5.

[OSU Flyer]

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So Tanner Holden from Wright State says he NIL is a big reason he transferred to Ohio State

What the power conference schools are doing are setting up 501c3 charities and then paying players to promote/advertise for charities (think blood drive, toys for tots, etc.)

Texas is using one to pay their offensive lineman $50K a year

I don't think Holmes is going any where but I'd guess virtually every good player outside the power conferences (and probably guys at say a Penn State, Oregon State, etc.) are getting backdoor contacts to head to a bigger school and cash in

[Chris R]

I talked about this moral hazard nearly two years ago and used Duke as an example. While the schools cannot pay kids directly they can certainly act as the agent and point to the cheddar piles. Dana Altman can give a kid Phil Knight's phone number and let them handle the details. Meanwhile the kid at Portland is doing late night promos for Krazy Larry's Used Kars.

I wouldn't worry about a guy like DaRon. You dont leave 12 months of warm Arizona sunshine for Ohio when you had an offer to play at UA unless you did your homework and want to be here for reasons you cant find elsewhere. That's no impulse move but rather very calculated. He's an intelligent dude. If Obi can win a Naismith at UD, anyone can.

There's a reason we rarely lose our best talent to transfer -- once you're here you're a rock star with access to the strongest Kool Aid in the country.

[OSU Flyer]

You don't even to have to do any shady back channeling. You can put it all out in the open now.

The Texas $50k payment for OL is public information. Recruits will know about that before they even start their recruitment. ESPN is out there advertising it. Very easy for the coaches to be hands off

2 or 3 years from now I could see all this being publicly available organized information. Before you get going in recruiting you see a list of how much money each schools is guaranteeing

Texas pays $50K, Ohio State $30k, Mercedes of Tuscaloosa leases a car to every scholarship foot player, etc.





https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ritable-causes

[jack72]

The transfers are way beyond over the top. The women's portal has over 1,000 including UD's only two decent returning players.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by UDTradition We should start a chant to invite them back... Both were very important players and UD will have difficulty replacing them based upon the current configuration of the starting 5.

Weird post. Are you saying you wouldn't take them back? That they weren't important?

Not being able to replace Weaver cost us a bid this year. To sarcastically say it won't be easy to replace him is really ironic, no?

[DallasFlyer]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Weird post. Are you saying you wouldn't take them back? That they weren't important? Not being able to replace Weaver cost us a bid this year. To sarcastically say it won't be easy to replace him is really ironic, no?

I’m also confused. Sarcastic or not, starting a chant is an odd course of action here.
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[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer You don't even to have to do any shady back channeling. You can put it all out in the open now. The Texas $50k payment for OL is public information. Recruits will know about that before they even start their recruitment. ESPN is out there advertising it. Very easy for the coaches to be hands off 2 or 3 years from now I could see all this being publicly available organized information. Before you get going in recruiting you see a list of how much money each schools is guaranteeing Texas pays $50K, Ohio State $30k, Mercedes of Tuscaloosa leases a car to every scholarship foot player, etc. https://www.espn.com/college-footbal...ritable-causes

It’s insane. It’s going to get worse. I’m sure the schools will be bringing in accountants to handle all of this for their SAs. I would think no more dependent deduction for their parents. And I believe the value of their scholarships has to be claimed as income. Maybe someone can confirm that, since I’m not sure. And if these schools are setting up non-profits, do they have to follow Title IX and pay women athletes? Who the heck knows all the pitfalls. But smaller schools would be able to compete.

[UDGutter2]

If the boosters set up a non-profit that pays players to promote the non-profit and charities it helps would not have to follow Title IX if it is not part of the University. I could see such an entity selling t-shirts/jerseys to help generate income. Or a free t-shirt with a donation of $xxx amount. Any Dayton boosters working on this?

[Swampy Meadows]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Dwon Odom a 6'2" PG who hails from GA just bailed on X: https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/dwon-odom

Odom is headed to Georgia State--guess he wanted to go home...and play for Jonas Hayes, the former X Interim HC.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows Odom is headed to Georgia State--guess he wanted to go home.

Or with his interim coach who just got that job...

[OSU Flyer]

So academic bonuses are legal from the school now

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-athletes-year

In response to a federal judge's mandate, the NCAA changed its rules in August 2020 to allow schools to pay each of their athletes up to $5,980 per year as a reward for academic performance.
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[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer So academic bonuses are legal from the school now https://www.espn.com/college-sports/...-athletes-year In response to a federal judge's mandate, the NCAA changed its rules in August 2020 to allow schools to pay each of their athletes up to $5,980 per year as a reward for academic performance. Posted via Mobile Device

Another benefit for UNC where you get A's for a class that doesn't even exist!

[UDTradition]

Originally Posted by hawkoooo Weird post. Are you saying you wouldn't take them back? That they weren't important? Not being able to replace Weaver cost us a bid this year. To sarcastically say it won't be easy to replace him is really ironic, no?

Absolutely...totally agree with you

No sarcasm - I was disappointed that they left and hope they reconsider and UD management reconsiders if they do. They were very important. Both were instrumental in wins that might not have occurred if they weren't available and performing. It's really a shame.

Are there any examples where players end up returning?

[jack72]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA It’s insane. It’s going to get worse. I’m sure the schools will be bringing in accountants to handle all of this for their SAs. I would think no more dependent deduction for their parents. And I believe the value of their scholarships has to be claimed as income. Maybe someone can confirm that, since I’m not sure. And if these schools are setting up non-profits, do they have to follow Title IX and pay women athletes? Who the heck knows all the pitfalls. But smaller schools would be able to compete.

Scholarships that pay basic education are not taxable. These payments it appears would be taxable income if over $12,000. Parents would not lose the kid as a dependent if he is a student, but either the kid takes the dependency or the parent.
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[UDTradition]

Originally Posted by Hyde Park Flyer Yeah, I’m picking up what you’re laying down. I heard it from someone in the media. Seemed a bit more interesting. This wasn’t overzealous speculation. While I think Deuce is a Flyer until he enters the draft, I do think there will be plenty of bait in the back channels. Posted via Mobile Device

"bait in the back channels?" What a great quote...seriously. The problem is that only obsessive fisherman probably understand it. Well done...

[Swampy Meadows]

Ohio U G Mark Sears to Bama:

https://twitter.com/imcsears/status/1512204396511301633

[CvilleFlyer]

Makhel and Makhi Mitchell both going from Rhode Island to Arkansas.

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[OSU Flyer]

Jermaine Couisnard Update. One of the players that UD had reached out to

No mention of UD. He says "Maryland, Ohio State, UMass, Oregon, Houston, and DePaul have been showing heavy interest.”

https://247sports.com/college/ohio-s...aga-185874232/

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Jermaine Couisnard Update. One of the players that UD had reached out to No mention of UD. He says "Maryland, Ohio State, UMass, Oregon, Houston, and DePaul have been showing heavy interest.” https://247sports.com/college/ohio-s...aga-185874232/

Reading Jermaine's own analysis just confirms the challenge AG has in bringing in another guard at the level that can help this team for more than just 5-8 minutes a game. Jermaine's got to get it right this time as he gets a free transfer with no sitting just once.

It doesn't matter how much we think we need a PG, it's all up to the perception of the kids leaving for more minutes, especially those in the portal who are already leaving because the fit/usage wasn't to their liking.

I still think it's likely AG will work his magic but I won't be concerned if he doesn't as he knows what he has in the fold already and if it's dire, he'll find someone. If he doesn't bring in another PG/Combo, then it isn't dire.

Kaleb (and Zimi) apparently staying tells me AG can be a huge winner in this new free-for-all portal and NIL craziness that is going on. He looks for kids that have talent but that also aren't only about themselves and what's in it for them. Character counts as much as talent and maybe even more so.

That's why I am not afraid of Daron leaving for UK because he loves the culture here. There are plenty of talented kids that will be loyal to a guy like AG. Daron's dad's comment after the 1st game told me a lot about why he came here instead of Arizona or other 'better' options and why I think he'll stay until the NBA calls.

Stability in the home is a big part of that and something both superstars Daron and Obi have in common. Less handlers, more solid loving encouragement and advice from family who can appreciate the class and care AG offers along with the opportunities etc.

AG will swing and miss with some kids either on talent, work ethic, or me first attitudes but if he continues to have more wins then losses, he can build something lasting and special despite the craziness going on as long as he stays here. Teams with revolving coaches every 4-5 years (or cheating coaches) are going to have many more challenges (see Murray State or LSU).

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer Makhel and Makhi Mitchell both going from Rhode Island to Arkansas.

Do they need to sit a year because they already transferred? Are they graduates?

[jack72]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer Makhel and Makhi Mitchell both going from Rhode Island to Arkansas.

They were offensively challenged in the A10. I cannot see them as very successful on next year's #1 team. Of course maybe if they sit a year, AR will have some one on done's gone the following year.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by CT Flyer Do they need to sit a year because they already transferred? Are they graduates?

Both played for Montverde Academy in 2019 and were recruited by Rhode Island. Makhi was injured for much of his freshman year. They both should be available immediately but Arkansas will be loaded next season and playing time will be at a premium!

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer Jermaine Couisnard Update. One of the players that UD had reached out to No mention of UD. He says "Maryland, Ohio State, UMass, Oregon, Houston, and DePaul have been showing heavy interest.” https://247sports.com/college/ohio-s...aga-185874232/

At 6'4" and 211 lbs. Couisnard is good size but he's had two tough seasons at South Carolina. It is hard to believe that he flirted with the NBA after the 2020-2021 season!
He averaged 10.1ppg his freshman season and 12.0ppg this past season. He hasn't demonstrated that he is a good shooter. 31% on two pointers and 29% on threes his freshman year and 39.6% on twos and 32.3% on threes this past season. His free throw percentage is only 67.9! I don't know what AG and his assistant coaches have in mind with our perceived lack of point guards but I am not all that upset that Couisnard has no mention of UD on his list.

	Massachusetts MASSACHUSETTS UMass Amherst, the flagship campus of the University of Massachusetts system, sits on nearly 1,450-acres in the scenic Pioneer Valley of Western Massachusetts, 90 miles from Boston and 175 miles from New York City. The campus provides a rich cultural environment in a rural setting close to major urban centers. UMass enrolls over 20,000 undergraduates and 5,000 post-grad students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Minutemen. Women's teams known as the Minutewomen. Sports achievements include NCAA Final Four appearances in men's basketball and women's soccer.

[hawkoooo]

Originally Posted by UDTradition Are there any examples where players end up returning?

Of course. I think UD even had one within the last decade or so but I'm blanking on who it was.

As for Cuisnard, as someone who lives in Gamecock land...meh.

[Swampy Meadows]

It was John Crosby
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[jack72]

Here is ESPN's top 100 transfer prospects.

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...2022-23-season

[CT Flyer]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer Both played for Montverde Academy in 2019 and were recruited by Rhode Island. Makhi was injured for much of his freshman year. They both should be available immediately but Arkansas will be loaded next season and playing time will be at a premium!

I thought they went to Maryland before URI?

	Rhode Island RHODE ISLAND The University of Rhode Island was chartered as the state's agricultural school in 1888. The school became the Rhode Island College of Agriculture and Mechanic Arts in 1892. Located in southern Rhode Island, URI is a quintessential New England campus - rural in feeling yet close to the city of Providence, the state's capital. Linked to the city, the beaches, and nearly every corner of the state by both rail and public transit, the campus is easily accessible from Boston and New York URI currently offers 100 majors in seven degree-granting colleges. There are more than 12,000 students on the Kingston campus, about 3,000 in Providence, and a complement of about 700 faculty. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Rams.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer Both played for Montverde Academy in 2019 and were recruited by Rhode Island. Makhi was injured for much of his freshman year. They both should be available immediately but Arkansas will be loaded next season and playing time will be at a premium!

Originally Posted by CT Flyer I thought they went to Maryland before URI?

They definitely started at Maryland.

https://gorhody.com/sports/mens-bask...-mitchell/6435

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer At 6'4" and 211 lbs. Couisnard is good size but he's had two tough seasons at South Carolina. It is hard to believe that he flirted with the NBA after the 2020-2021 season! He averaged 10.1ppg his freshman season and 12.0ppg this past season. He hasn't demonstrated that he is a good shooter. 31% on two pointers and 29% on threes his freshman year and 39.6% on twos and 32.3% on threes this past season. His free throw percentage is only 67.9! I don't know what AG and his assistant coaches have in mind with our perceived lack of point guards but I am not all that upset that Couisnard has no mention of UD on his list.

In today's game if you can't shoot you better be 6'9". It's not as big of a deal if you're an incoming freshman that can be developed, but if you've got several seasons under your belt you're likely (but not necessarily) the shooter you're going to be.


The last thing we need is another guard sucking up minutes who can't hit water from a boat. I'd almost rather the person was a 43% shooter and a bad point guard than a great PG who can't shoot to save his life.

[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 They definitely started at Maryland. https://gorhody.com/sports/mens-bask...-mitchell/6435

Sorry, I went to verbalcommits.com and they made no mention of Maryland. They would have to sit out a year then if they haven't graduated.

[Bill McPeek]

Originally Posted by jack72 Here is ESPN's top 100 transfer prospects. https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...2022-23-season

Unless I missed their names, I don't see either Mou or Weaver on this list.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Bill McPeek Unless I missed their names, I don't see either Mou or Weaver on this list.

It’s behind a paywall, but I wouldn’t expect the backup Center and/or the backup Point Guard for the 69th best team in the country to be listed among the Top 100 transfers nationwide.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by Swampy Meadows It was John Crosby Posted via Mobile Device

Yeah, didn’t he enter the portal when Archie left, recommit to UD over the summer, then transfer after the 2017-18 season?
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[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer Reading Jermaine's own analysis just confirms the challenge AG has in bringing in another guard at the level that can help this team for more than just 5-8 minutes a game. Jermaine's got to get it right this time as he gets a free transfer with no sitting just once. It doesn't matter how much we think we need a PG, it's all up to the perception of the kids leaving for more minutes, especially those in the portal who are already leaving because the fit/usage wasn't to their liking. I still think it's likely AG will work his magic but I won't be concerned if he doesn't as he knows what he has in the fold already and if it's dire, he'll find someone. If he doesn't bring in another PG/Combo, then it isn't dire. Kaleb (and Zimi) apparently staying tells me AG can be a huge winner in this new free-for-all portal and NIL craziness that is going on. He looks for kids that have talent but that also aren't only about themselves and what's in it for them. Character counts as much as talent and maybe even more so. That's why I am not afraid of Daron leaving for UK because he loves the culture here. There are plenty of talented kids that will be loyal to a guy like AG. Daron's dad's comment after the 1st game told me a lot about why he came here instead of Arizona or other 'better' options and why I think he'll stay until the NBA calls. Stability in the home is a big part of that and something both superstars Daron and Obi have in common. Less handlers, more solid loving encouragement and advice from family who can appreciate the class and care AG offers along with the opportunities etc. AG will swing and miss with some kids either on talent, work ethic, or me first attitudes but if he continues to have more wins then losses, he can build something lasting and special despite the craziness going on as long as he stays here. Teams with revolving coaches every 4-5 years (or cheating coaches) are going to have many more challenges (see Murray State or LSU).

AG's not afraid to bring talent in. He got Camara out of the portal when Holmes was coming and Zimi/Amzil had promising seasons.

If a high level PG wants to play with Mali I'd guess AG pulls the trigger

My read on the article is that JC wasn't interested in Dayton. Minutes were a concern at Gonzaga but they've got two five star guards who were freshman. If he's good enough he could have time here

[FlyerinChicago]

I think we have our point guard with Mongolian Mike. A center/PF and a shooting guard who can spot at pg would be fine at this point.
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[ortez52]

I have watched him three times . He can run the point Great hands He is very quick keeps his eyes up and glides down the floor, passes well, and plays defense.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer AG's not afraid to bring talent in. He got Camara out of the portal when Holmes was coming and Zimi/Amzil had promising seasons. If a high level PG wants to play with Mali I'd guess AG pulls the trigger My read on the article is that JC wasn't interested in Dayton. Minutes were a concern at Gonzaga but they've got two five star guards who were freshman. If he's good enough he could have time here

My read is he wants to go where there are minutes available like most kids in the portal likely will be. I’m not so sure PG is as high on AG’s list as people here but of course if PG is, AG’s not turning a good one away who wants to come here. That’s never been the argument. The point is it could be very challenging to find a Ramod Marshall willing to risk only getting 5-8 mpg. Mike is clearly a PG. if he can physically handle D1 year one we have no need this year for a 4th PG option and available mpg dry up fast.
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[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by ortez52 I have watched him three times . He can run the point Great hands He is very quick keeps his eyes up and glides down the floor, passes well, and plays defense.

I’m not sure there is a real need for this team as it is now other than strength and growth. Chemistry and Team at this point are as important as talent. There are risks to over utilizing the portal for a place like UD especially if you have a solid deep team with great potential already.

Personally I think AG brings at most 1 player in from the portal and wouldn’t be surprised if AG banks one. I wouldn’t be surprised if he uses both on Frosh either. I could see a raw 4/5 to backup/develop for when Holmes/Camara possibly leave 1-2 years from now.
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[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer I’m not sure there is a real need for this team as it is now other than strength and growth. Chemistry and Team at this point are as important as talent. There are risks to over utilizing the portal for a place like UD especially if you have a solid deep team with great potential already. Personally I think AG brings at most 1 player in from the portal and wouldn’t be surprised if AG banks one. I wouldn’t be surprised if he uses both on Frosh either. I could see a raw 4/5 to backup/develop for when Holmes/Camara possibly leave 1-2 years from now. Posted via Mobile Device

I wouldn't be surprised if he uses both on Frosh. I hope one of them is Rolf from Centerville. Matt Kavanaugh (2010-2014) was the only one in the past I can remember that contributed. Chris Spears (2004) didn't work out. UD missed out on recruiting Ben Rhoda who went on to have a good career (2002-2006 at ETSU. It has been mentioned that Rolf, at 6'7", plays like Ryan Mikesell and we all know what he meant to that 2019-20 team!

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I wouldn't be surprised if he uses both on Frosh. I hope one of them is Rolf from Centerville. Matt Kavanaugh (2010-2014) was the only one in the past I can remember that contributed. Chris Spears (2004) didn't work out. UD missed out on recruiting Ben Rhoda who went on to have a good career (2002-2006 at ETSU. It has been mentioned that Rolf, at 6'7", plays like Ryan Mikesell and we all know what he meant to that 2019-20 team!

I think 2 frosh would be great and I agree about Rolf. Too many want all top 50 guys. Well that brings a whole lot of problems with it that certainly doesn't equate to success even at programs with the big names. The Patriot model has been very successful while the Raiders with all the stars and egos have been a joke.

Ryan and Trey were as much a part as why that 2020 team was great as were Obi and Jalen. You have to have the next tier down guys who know their role, are sold out to team and not self, and give everything they have to help others meet the team goals.

I'd love to have 2 more glue guys that can grow into the leader roles in the next couple years. Mali and Daron are stars who are also leaders. They are rare and we may not always have guys like that. Guys like Trey and Ryan are invaluable especially if you can keep them for 4 years.

[jack72]

We now see why Coach is slow to sign a point guard. Mike is the man.

Need to find a Holmes backup, and we could be done.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer I think 2 frosh would be great and I agree about Rolf. Too many want all top 50 guys. Well that brings a whole lot of problems with it that certainly doesn't equate to success even at programs with the big names. The Patriot model has been very successful while the Raiders with all the stars and egos have been a joke. Ryan and Trey were as much a part as why that 2020 team was great as were Obi and Jalen. You have to have the next tier down guys who know their role, are sold out to team and not self, and give everything they have to help others meet the team goals. I'd love to have 2 more glue guys that can grow into the leader roles in the next couple years. Mali and Daron are stars who are also leaders. They are rare and we may not always have guys like that. Guys like Trey and Ryan are invaluable especially if you can keep them for 4 years.

I don't see what everyone sees in Rolf other than him being a local guy. His biggest 4 offers are Duquesne, Charlotte, Indiana State, and Miami OH. The team has watched him a lot. If they really thought he was a priority, they would have offered him one of the 2 open scholarships. We are going on 2 weeks of have open scholarships and we still haven't offered him.

	Duquesne DUQUESNE Duquesne University is a private, coeducational university, in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania located on 48 secluded acres, on a bluff above downtown. Founded in 1878 as a Catholic college by the Order of the Holy Spirit. It is the only Spiritan institution of higher education in the world. Duquesne offers 10 schools of study and 100 degree programs to 6,000 undergraduates and 3,800 graduate students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the Dukes.

	Charlotte CHARLOTTE UNC Charlotte is one of a generation of universities founded in metropolitan areas of the United States immediately after World War II in response to rising education demands generated by the war and its technology. Now a research intensive university, UNC Charlotte is the fourth largest of the 16 institutions within the University of North Carolina system and the largest institution in the Charlotte region. The university comprises seven professional colleges and currently offers 18 doctoral programs, 62 master’s degree programs and 90 bachelor’s degrees. More than 900 full-time faculty comprise the university’s academic departments and the 2007 fall enrollment exceeded 22,300 students. Fellow members of the A10 Conference. Nickname is the 49ers.

[BeckysTXA]

Originally Posted by Marysville Flyer I think 2 frosh would be great and I agree about Rolf. Too many want all top 50 guys. Well that brings a whole lot of problems with it that certainly doesn't equate to success even at programs with the big names. The Patriot model has been very successful while the Raiders with all the stars and egos have been a joke. Ryan and Trey were as much a part as why that 2020 team was great as were Obi and Jalen. You have to have the next tier down guys who know their role, are sold out to team and not self, and give everything they have to help others meet the team goals. I'd love to have 2 more glue guys that can grow into the leader roles in the next couple years. Mali and Daron are stars who are also leaders. They are rare and we may not always have guys like that. Guys like Trey and Ryan are invaluable especially if you can keep them for 4 years.

I think this has a lot of wisdom to it. In this free-for-all portal world I think you are correct. It will take the right mix of players to get us to, and keep us an annual NCAA team. Weaver is probably a good example, not that I fault him for wanting to be the guy, but he wasn’t going to be the guy at UD with how Mali played this year. It’s going to be very important for CAG to balance talent levels and buy-ins from role players. The annual jumping ship will continue and you can’t stop it or project it. Sissoko is a good example of that side of the coin. But buy-in and communication is paramount to keeping the core intact. That will take a mix of all talent levels and daily commitment from the coaches to engage with every player.

[San Diego Flyer]

Originally Posted by BeckysTXA I think this has a lot of wisdom to it. In this free-for-all portal world I think you are correct. It will take the right mix of players to get us to, and keep us an annual NCAA team. Weaver is probably a good example, not that I fault him for wanting to be the guy, but he wasn’t going to be the guy at UD with how Mali played this year. It’s going to be very important for CAG to balance talent levels and buy-ins from role players. The annual jumping ship will continue and you can’t stop it or project it. Sissoko is a good example of that side of the coin. But buy-in and communication is paramount to keeping the core intact. That will take a mix of all talent levels and daily commitment from the coaches to engage with every player.

I would be happy if the staff helps Mustapha realize his full potential. He's past the break-in phase with some nagging warts. He is already in the house. He is accepted by the squad. That's a years worth of experience that any transfer would have yet to endure.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by jack72 We now see why Coach is slow to sign a point guard. Mike is the man. Need to find a Holmes backup, and we could be done.

What exactly is a "Holmes backup"? We certainly aren't going to find someone with close to his set of skills willing to be a backup. And why isn't having Amzil, Zimi, Amaefule spelling the 3,4 and/or 5 sufficient? We should expect a huge improvement from our returning players, starters and backups, so not sure what you are looking for in a backup to our star player.

[jack72]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 What exactly is a "Holmes backup"? We certainly aren't going to find someone with close to his set of skills willing to be a backup. And why isn't having Amzil, Zimi, Amaefule spelling the 3,4 and/or 5 sufficient? We should expect a huge improvement from our returning players, starters and backups, so not sure what you are looking for in a backup to our star player.

Good question. I am not going to try to answer for Coach Grant, because he knows what he has and what he needs. Close to Holmes' skills? Of course not. Holmes was one of the top frosh in the nation. How about someone with Big Steve's skills, when he started at UD. Or a transfer like Jordy, but who can catch the ball.

I think we need a guy who can spell Holmes for about 10-15 minutes a game, and develop into a starter in '23-'24. Someone who can play defense, rebound and understand the offense. He must be able to effectively play some D on a big man.

It is not Amzil, Washington or Zimi. They cannot guard a big. Maybe it is Amaefule, only Grant knows.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by jack72 Good question. I am not going to try to answer for Coach Grant, because he knows what he has and what he needs. Close to Holmes' skills? Of course not. Holmes was one of the top frosh in the nation. How about someone with Big Steve's skills, when he started at UD. Or a transfer like Jordy, but who can catch the ball. I think we need a guy who can spell Holmes for about 10-15 minutes a game, and develop into a starter in '23-'24. Someone who can play defense, rebound and understand the offense. He must be able to effectively play some D on a big man. It is not Amzil, Washington or Zimi. They cannot guard a big. Maybe it is Amaefule, only Grant knows.

10 minutes a game would probably be the max except for foul trouble which AG has proven he can control pretty well as Obi and I think DaRon, never fouled out.

Also Camara would be kind of DaRon's replacement for some of those minutes as they don't always come off the floor at the same time.

That leaves times where we have neither Holmes or Camara on the floor and those would be a minor amount of minutes and don't have to on the plus side of the +/- numbers as long as you get enough plus minutes when they are on the floor. As a Mid-Major fan, sometimes there's 5 minutes give or take a game where you ask your backups to just not suck too much while your main guys get a breather.

[bcross]

Sissoko played less than 5 min/gm in A10 play. With Amaefule eligible, there really isn't a need for another big.

[Figgie123]

Originally Posted by Smitty10 10 minutes a game would probably be the max except for foul trouble which AG has proven he can control pretty well as Obi and I think DaRon, never fouled out.

Obi fouled out against VCU on 1/16/19 while scoring 8 points in 17 minutes.

[Smitty10]

Originally Posted by Figgie123 Obi fouled out against VCU on 1/16/19 while scoring 8 points in 17 minutes.

okay, that doesn't surprise me. I meant more when Obi was the focal and critical part of team in 2020. In 2019, we counted on Cunningham in the paint while Obi was still learning.

Anyway, if we lose our star big only one game a season for fouls, I'll take it and not worry so much about his backup.

[TommyGola]

Originally Posted by San Diego Flyer I would be happy if the staff helps Mustapha realize his full potential. He's past the break-in phase with some nagging warts. He is already in the house. He is accepted by the squad. That's a years worth of experience that any transfer would have yet to endure.

I believe that Mustapha would be more effective at the 3-slot as opposed to the power forward position. He is not a banger and is not physically strong enough to compete with the 6'8 230 pound power forwards in the game today. I believe he is much more capable of filling the 3-slot where, after a penetration dribble from Mali, he could be left open for a three. That is his game; in fact, that is the European game where his roots lie.

[Gazoo]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 It’s behind a paywall, but I wouldn’t expect the backup Center and/or the backup Point Guard for the 69th best team in the country to be listed among the Top 100 transfers nationwide. Posted via Mobile Device

Or maybe said differently, we wouldn't have been the 69th best team if they were top 100 level transfers.

[longtimefan]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 It’s behind a paywall, but I wouldn’t expect the backup Center and/or the backup Point Guard for the 69th best team in the country to be listed among the Top 100 transfers nationwide. Posted via Mobile Device

For the record we were #52 in the final NET (#58 before the tourney). We were the first team left out of the Tournament, which I guess is why you are saying we were #69. But we were better than many of the auto bids, which would move us into the 50's.

[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by longtimefan For the record we were #52 in the final NET (#58 before the tourney). We were the first team left out of the Tournament, which I guess is why you are saying we were #69. But we were better than many of the auto bids, which would move us into the 50's.

Understood. But my point is still that Weaver and Sissoko were backups on an NIT team in a year when there are about 1,000 players in the portal. It’s a bit of a pipe dream to think that either guy would be considered among the top 10% of those 1,000 players under the circumstances I stated.
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[T-Bone 84]

Originally Posted by jack72 Good question. I am not going to try to answer for Coach Grant, because he knows what he has and what he needs. Close to Holmes' skills? Of course not. Holmes was one of the top frosh in the nation. How about someone with Big Steve's skills, when he started at UD. Or a transfer like Jordy, but who can catch the ball. I think we need a guy who can spell Holmes for about 10-15 minutes a game, and develop into a starter in '23-'24. Someone who can play defense, rebound and understand the offense. He must be able to effectively play some D on a big man. It is not Amzil, Washington or Zimi. They cannot guard a big. Maybe it is Amaefule, only Grant knows.

To me, a “Holmes backup” is a guy like Mou, who brings some beef, to bang with the David McCormicks and the Mitchell twins of the world. That’s an ingredient that I’m not sure Amafuele can provide, and that Deuce doesn’t yet provide.
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[TA111]

Originally Posted by T-Bone 84 To me, a “Holmes backup” is a guy like Mou, who brings some beef, to bang with the David McCormicks and the Mitchell twins of the world. That’s an ingredient that I’m not sure Amafuele can provide, and that Deuce doesn’t yet provide. Posted via Mobile Device

And he averaged a grand total of 6 minutes per game and we went 3-0 against those teams. I think we’ll be just fine.

[TA111]

Originally Posted by longtimefan For the record we were #52 in the final NET (#58 before the tourney). We were the first team left out of the Tournament, which I guess is why you are saying we were #69. But we were better than many of the auto bids, which would move us into the 50's.

Technically we were around 46 being the first at large team out.

[OSU Flyer]

@haslametrics
There are currently 1,255 players in the transfer portal. We've now surpassed an average of 3-1/2 players per D-1 team.

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I don't see what everyone sees in Rolf other than him being a local guy. His biggest 4 offers are Duquesne, Charlotte, Indiana State, and Miami OH. The team has watched him a lot. If they really thought he was a priority, they would have offered him one of the 2 open scholarships. We are going on 2 weeks of have open scholarships and we still haven't offered him.

I think you're probably right but I wonder if they think they can slow play him

I would guess he'd probably commit as soon as UD offered. They could wait around and see what happens with higher priority guys and then circle back with Rolf

[OSU Flyer]

@cdortch


It's important to note that starting this year, the NCAA deadline for transferring with immediate eligibility is May 1, not July 1 as it was last year. The next three weeks are going to be crazy, but that May 1 date is a huge help for coaches trying to finalize their rosters
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[CvilleFlyer]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer @cdortch It's important to note that starting this year, the NCAA deadline for transferring with immediate eligibility is May 1, not July 1 as it was last year. The next three weeks are going to be crazy, but that May 1 date is a huge help for coaches trying to finalize their rosters Posted via Mobile Device

I guess we will know in the next three weeks whether Anthony Grant has his eye on someone who he thinks can be of immediate help to the Flyers. After seeing Mike play Friday night I don't think we need to be concerned about our point guard situation any more with Mali and Mike!

[bcross]

The May 1st deadline is just for entering the transfer portal. Shouldn't be much a change this year.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_...e_Transfer.pdf

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by bcross The May 1st deadline is just for entering the transfer portal. Shouldn't be much a change this year. http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/eligibility_...e_Transfer.pdf

yeah, gotta be in the portal by then. Last year you could decided to leave in say June and still be instantly eligible.

Guys will be still in the portal after that but for most players the going part will be shut down by then

[CvilleFlyer]

After a weekend visit Iowa PG transfer Joe Toussaint has commited to West Virginia and Bob Huggins. Back in 2018, Toussaint from the Bronx chose Iowa over offers from Dayton, UNLV and Wichita St.

[jack72]

Former KY guard Dontaie Allen commits to WKU.

[FlyerinChicago]

I see Antoine Davis (Detroit Mercy) is hitting the portal for his last year. He could take Dayton from a top 20 team to a top 5. Wonder if there's mutual interest?

[OSU Flyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago I see Antoine Davis (Detroit Mercy) is hitting the portal for his last year. He could take Dayton from a top 20 team to a top 5. Wonder if there's mutual interest?

Don't know how true this is but I saw speculation he's headed to Houston (Was committed there before his dad got the Detroit Mercy job)

[Alberto Strasse]

he doesn't pass the ball. I hope UD is not interested.

[FlyerinChicago]

Yeah, that'd be awful to have a guy put us over the top, pass.

[Lowd&ProUD]

The idea that Antoine Davis would take us over the top is laughable.

Show me you can make Detroit semi-relevant in a bad conference first.

[FlyerinChicago]

Davis is an electric 3-point shooter (113, fifth in the nation this past season) and is one of the country's best free-throw shooters (88.2% this past season)

Davis will enter the 2022-23 season ranked 22nd in all-time Division I scoring, and is poised to pass names such as JJ Redick, Larry Bird, Oscar Robertson and Danny Manning, among others. Pete Maravich is the leader with 3,667 points; Davis is at 2,734.

[John C.]

I cannot imagine adding a scorer like that to our team. If I were Grant I would get approval from the team to bring someone like that onboard. I know that is crazy.

[CvilleFlyer]

I think Antoine Davis would just upset the apple cart because he shoots a lot! Besides Mongolian Mike shoots over 50% from the three point line. I can't believe he grew 2 inches to 6'9" if that is correct! His dad is 7'0". Even if he is 6'8" Mike will still be the tallest point guard we will have ever had and create mismatches all over the place! We won't have to worry about sub par ball handling any more when Mali needs a rest.

[Swampy Meadows]

Mike measured 6’8 and 3/4” in shoes at the Nike Hoop Summit.
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[Hyde Park Flyer]

That’s what I want to see for today’s PG. It’s all about mismatches. Look how Gonzaga used Holmgren. He definitely wasn’t a Finn clone. He was away from the basket using his ball and shooting skills. He took advantage of space. That fits perfectly in AG’s offensive style of play. Ball movement. Space. Mismatches. One of our biggest weaknesses last year was our 1-3 guys struggle to penetrate and finish. When E was in the house, he could do it. But, Blakeny, Amzil, Mali, Weaver, and Brea could not consistently drive and finish. MM brings a different set of tools. That’s for sure.
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[FlyerinChicago]

Originally Posted by CvilleFlyer I think Antoine Davis would just upset the apple cart because he shoots a lot! Besides Mongolian Mike shoots over 50% from the three point line. I can't believe he grew 2 inches to 6'9" if that is correct! His dad is 7'0". Even if he is 6'8" Mike will still be the tallest point guard we will have ever had and create mismatches all over the place! We won't have to worry about sub par ball handling any more when Mali needs a rest.

It’s for one year, apple cart be ****ed. If Holmes leaves for the NBA (distinct possibility) next year, this upcoming season is huge for the program. If not Antoine, we really could use another 3 point sharpshooter. A truly dependable scorer. I think Mikes gonna be great, but I don’t expect him to be a difference maker quite yet in the tournament. Gotta keep the train going full speed, who knows what’s ahead?
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[Alberto Strasse]

Career Loser! His teams are no good... because of him.

[Marysville Flyer]

Originally Posted by FlyerinChicago It’s for one year, apple cart be ****ed. If Holmes leaves for the NBA (distinct possibility) next year, this upcoming season is huge for the program. If not Antoine, we really could use another 3 point sharpshooter. A truly dependable scorer. I think Mikes gonna be great, but I don’t expect him to be a difference maker quite yet in the tournament. Gotta keep the train going full speed, who knows what’s ahead? Posted via Mobile Device

Chemistry, need, adapability and buy in to coach’s style and team culture are 100x more important than talent at this point. We have the 6th man of the year coming back who improved dramatically during the year and is a sharpshooter. He’s gonna play more minutes this year than last.

Where and how much would he play? Will he be satisfied if he’s just a role player coming from a system where it sounds like he was the man? Can he be a sharpshooter playing as a backup if that’s where he fits in?I’m thinking most guys with just 1 year left want to know they are gonna play lots of minutes or want to go to a Blue Blood program.

Personally I feel the portal will hurt more not because of who leaves but because of overuse or bad fit or feeling like you have to fill your openings every year and with better talent than what you have.

We have enough talent and chemistry now to potentially be 2020 special next year. Many outsiders see it. Trust the guys we have to put in the work and bring in only the right guys for the immediate needs we have and the portal will be an asset.
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[m21eagle45]

Davis is not a player I would want anywhere near this team. He played for his dad, who let him put up 30 shots a game at the detriment to the team, especially his first couple years at UDM. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I do not see that type of a me first player fitting into this team's dynamic.

[jack72]

Detroit has 3 losing seasons and one winner by two games in Davis' four years... nuff said.

[steve]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 Davis is not a player I would want anywhere near this team. He played for his dad, who let him put up 30 shots a game at the detriment to the team, especially his first couple years at UDM. I'm not saying it is impossible, but I do not see that type of a me first player fitting into this team's dynamic.

Well, it wasn't even close to that many shots in any of his years, even though I guessed it was over 25 per game (his last 2 seasons were just under 20), but I don't want him near this team either.

[m21eagle45]

Originally Posted by steve Well, it wasn't even close to that many shots in any of his years, even though I guessed it was over 25 per game (his last 2 seasons were just under 20), but I don't want him near this team either.

I was being hyperbolic about the number of shots, but not about how they forced the offense to go through him. If he got his shots in the flow of the offense, they could have been a decent team.

[Brad S.]

Originally Posted by m21eagle45 I was being hyperbolic about the number of shots, but not about how they forced the offense to go through him. If he got his shots in the flow of the offense, they could have been a decent team.

Hyperbole? Here? No way!!

[OSU Flyer]

I have no inside information but I think the roster might be set

[lhsgolf19]

Originally Posted by OSU Flyer I have no inside information but I think the roster might be set

No chance we play with 2 empty roster spots available... I think we will use at least one of them