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Old 11-05-2019, 01:00 AM
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Thought it was interesting that we have a few nods in the pre-season polls!

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
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Old 11-05-2019, 01:17 AM
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There are half a dozen conferences, including the A10, where the top teams are better than the middle of the pac of the P5s. These conferences need to band together and start scheduling each other in a way that gives the top teams opportunities to play each other and rack up quality wins. Scheduling will only get more difficult and the A10s of college basketball need to figure out a way to stay relevant.
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Jay Bilas has UD as #29:

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-ba...9-20-preseason

I think this is right about where the Flyers should be--close to the Top 25, but not in it--yet. Gives the guys something to fight for coming out of the gate. Take care of business in the early schedule and then make some waves in Maui.

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Along the right side of that article, He has Obi Toppin #1 in his list of top 10 breakout players.
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Along the right side of that article, He has Obi Toppin #1 in his list of top 10 breakout players.
I like Jay Bilas but he missed on top ten venues and top transfers!
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I like Jay Bilas but he missed on top ten venues and top transfers!
Yeah he needs to see the renovated UD Arena:

Top 10 Venues
1. Allen Fieldhouse, Kansas
2. Cameron Indoor Stadium, Duke
3. Rupp Arena, Kentucky
4. Breslin Center, Michigan State
5. Smith Center, North Carolina
6. Hinkle Fieldhouse, Butler
7. Assembly Hall, Indiana
8. Hilton Coliseum, Iowa State
9. McCarthey Athletic Center, Gonzaga
10. Carrier Dome, Syracuse
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Not that November polls are particularly meaningful, but a couple interesting items re: opponents in the new AP poll:

VCU drops out
Colorado in at #25
St Mary’s at 18
Mich St drops to 3

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Not that November polls are particularly meaningful, but a couple interesting items re: opponents in the new AP poll:

VCU drops out
Colorado in at #25
St Mary’s at 18
Mich St drops to 3

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Moving up a little! VCU is in, St. Mary's hanging onto votes. Colorado up a few spots as well

https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/rankings
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The Meaningful Ranking

This hierarchy is provided courtesy of ESPN's B.P.I.

1. Michigan State 3-1 Hosts Charleston Southern tonight. Open vs. Virginia Tech in Maui
2. Kansas 2-1 Hosts Eastern Tenn St on 11/19; Opens vs. Chaminade in Maui
3. St Mary's 3-1 Beat Wisconsin but lost to Winthrop; Hosts Lehigh 11/23
4. Davidson 1-2 Lost to Auburn 76-66 and Charlotte 71-58; Hosts Nevada 11/19
5. VCU 4-0 Beat LSU; Hosts Florida Gulf Coast U 11/23
6. Dayton 2-0 18th in scoring; Hosts Omaha 11/19 and opens vs. Georgia in Maui
7. Colorado 2-0 Beat Arizona St and San Diego at home; Hosts UC-Irvine 11/18
8. Virginia Tech 4-0 9th best defense; Beat Clemson and hosts Delaware St 11/30
9. Rhode Island 2-1 Beat Bama 93-79; Hosts Nichols St 11/19
10. Richmond 3-0 7th in scoring; Beat Vanderbilt; Hosts McNeese St 11/22
11. Duquesne 3-0 9th in defense; Beat Princeton; visits Indiana State 11/21
12. Georgia 3-0 5th in scoring; Hosts Georgia Tech 11/20; Plays the Flyers in Maui
13. BYU 3-1 Lost to San Diego St 76-71; Road win over Houston 72-71 Visits Boise St
14. The Bonnies 1-3 Injury to Osunniyi caused losses to Ohio and Siena; Hosts Canisius
15. North Texas 0-3 20th in defense; Losses to VCU, Arkansas & Eastern Michigan
16. UCLA 3-0 57th in defense; Beat Long Beach St, Cal Santa Barbara; Hosts S Utah
17. George Mason 4-0 Beat Navy, James Madison; Hosts Loyola (Md) 11/19
18. Drake 2-1 Lost at Cincy 81-59; Hosts Lehigh 11/21
19. Saint Louis 3-1 Lost to Seton Hall 83-66; Hosts High Point 11/20
20. Indiana St 0-3 Lost to Dayton, Louisville and Ball St; Hosts Duquesne 11/21
Others in Alphabetical Order: Charleston Southern, Fordham, GW, Grambling,
Houston Baptist, LaSalle, UMASS, North Florida, Omaha, St Joseph's
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This hierarchy is provided courtesy of ESPN's B.P.I.

1. Michigan State 3-1 Hosts Charleston Southern tonight. Open vs. Virginia Tech in Maui
2. Kansas 2-1 Hosts Eastern Tenn St on 11/19; Opens vs. Chaminade in Maui
3. St Mary's 3-1 Beat Wisconsin but lost to Winthrop; Hosts Lehigh 11/23
4. Davidson 1-2 Lost to Auburn 76-66 and Charlotte 71-58; Hosts Nevada 11/19
5. VCU 4-0 Beat LSU; Hosts Florida Gulf Coast U 11/23
6. Dayton 2-0 18th in scoring; Hosts Omaha 11/19 and opens vs. Georgia in Maui
7. Colorado 2-0 Beat Arizona St and San Diego at home; Hosts UC-Irvine 11/18
8. Virginia Tech 4-0 9th best defense; Beat Clemson and hosts Delaware St 11/30
9. Rhode Island 2-1 Beat Bama 93-79; Hosts Nichols St 11/19
10. Richmond 3-0 7th in scoring; Beat Vanderbilt; Hosts McNeese St 11/22
11. Duquesne 3-0 9th in defense; Beat Princeton; visits Indiana State 11/21
12. Georgia 3-0 5th in scoring; Hosts Georgia Tech 11/20; Plays the Flyers in Maui
13. BYU 3-1 Lost to San Diego St 76-71; Road win over Houston 72-71 Visits Boise St
14. The Bonnies 1-3 Injury to Osunniyi caused losses to Ohio and Siena; Hosts Canisius
15. North Texas 0-3 20th in defense; Losses to VCU, Arkansas & Eastern Michigan
16. UCLA 3-0 57th in defense; Beat Long Beach St, Cal Santa Barbara; Hosts S Utah
17. George Mason 4-0 Beat Navy, James Madison; Hosts Loyola (Md) 11/19
18. Drake 2-1 Lost at Cincy 81-59; Hosts Lehigh 11/21
19. Saint Louis 3-1 Lost to Seton Hall 83-66; Hosts High Point 11/20
20. Indiana St 0-3 Lost to Dayton, Louisville and Ball St; Hosts Duquesne 11/21
Others in Alphabetical Order: Charleston Southern, Fordham, GW, Grambling,
Houston Baptist, LaSalle, UMASS, North Florida, Omaha, St Joseph's

RE the Bonnies, it's a little strong to say "Injury to Osunniyi caused losses to Ohio and Siena"
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I enjoy this site as you can see the top 25 for each pollster - and it flags "Extreme picks" which are picks 5+ away from the actual ranking.

Our 1 vote each week has come from Cecil Hurt of the Tuscaloosa News. He's kept us at 25 each week.

https://collegepolltracker.com/baske...on-flyers/2019
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I enjoy this site as you can see the top 25 for each pollster - and it flags "Extreme picks" which are picks 5+ away from the actual ranking.

Our 1 vote each week has come from Cecil Hurt of the Tuscaloosa News. He's kept us at 25 each week.

https://collegepolltracker.com/baske...on-flyers/2019
Nice site - thanks! & thanks to Cecil!!

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Once again Cecil is the only one this week - keeping us in his 25th spot.

All of this should change this week - one way or the other...
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I was just checking the rankings, to guess as to how high we could climb when the polls come out early next week. Based on the current 15-25, I’m guessing 22. But in the process, I also went up into the Top 10, to see how things might reshuffle with the Duke and MSU losses... and according to the poll, Duke is still undefeated? Ummm...did they change the result of the game against SFA just because Duke is Duke? Come on, ESPN! Get it right!
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10 - Kentucky
11 - Duke
12 - Michigan State

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Happy for the #9 ranking however the 25-1 seems to react to single games a lot. VT went from NR to #11 back to NR in less than 48 hours. We should hold until Colorado, win and we hold, lose and we could be gone.

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Fun to talk about but pretty meaningless in November. He has North Carolina #4 and Michigan #26

Yet Michigan is hammering NC.
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Fun to talk about but pretty meaningless in November. He has North Carolina #4 and Michigan #26

Yet Michigan is hammering NC.
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You opposed to fun?
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Nope. Love fun. Had a great time with family today. Hope you and all Flyer fans did as well.

My fun rankings and final four:

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I don't think we'll be ranked come Monday. It seems there is very little media coverage of what happened the last few days. I'm sorry to say.
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For a purely analytical perspective, here's Massey, which has us at 55, up from 76th. So there is a chance we're not in the Top 25 next week. Colorado is at a composite 24 on here and St. Mary's at 51. I think we need to hammer the Houston Baptists of the world and beat Colorado and St. Mary's to expect respect. And we do now have a target on our back, but I think we have a deep, strong squad that can handle it. Seeding on Selection Sunday matters, but rankings do matter to recruits.

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Massey total page hasn't updated since Monday. If you go to our team page, it lists our ranking at 32.
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Massey total page hasn't updated since Monday. If you go to our team page, it lists our ranking at 32.
Yeah, I noticed that Colorado was ranked higher when I clicked on them, but our record was correct through the loss to Kansas, so I thought it was updating. 32 makes more sense after Maui for sure.
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It just tells you how accurate those early season metrics are. I'm not a fan of the mystery NET but at least it shuts up until some actual actual games have been played.
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At some times in the past the metrics guys had us rated high, but we never sniffed the Top25 for the AP and Coaches. This year may reverse that trend. A step forward for our program.
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Don't over think this one. We're in the top 25. Just a matter of how high.
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I just reviewed an AP polster's ballot for today's top 25 basketball rankings; and they only listed Dayton as a team they considered. However, UD was not on their top 25 ballot.

I'm not forecasting this on to all other AP Voters, but I would say, keep our expectations in reasonable check.

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I just reviewed an AP polster's ballot for today's top 25 basketball rankings; and they only listed Dayton as a team they considered. However, UD was not on their top 25 ballot.

I'm not forecasting this on to all other AP Voters, but I would say, keep our expectations in reasonable check.

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I agree, there were a lot of teams that we had to leapfrog to get ranked, and probably almost all of those teams did not lose over the last week. I am not sure what is going to happen, but we may not get ranked in either poll. Had we beaten Kansas, I would be more optimistic, but beating Kenpom #68 and #56, while good, may leave us with a little more work to do. Some of the time, teams in front of you have to lose before you move up.
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I would expect if we are ranked it will be somewhere around 23 or 22 at the highest. I think voters will say, great, ya hung with Kansas. Let’s see what you do against St. Mary’s on Sunday and against Colorado in two weeks.
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Gonna be tough for us to crack the top 25. Not so much about us but more about who’s currently in or ahead of us and not ranked. Seems a lot of teams to climb over.Most that took losses recently, lost to ranked teams. Only MSU in the top ten seems vulnerable but would they drop out of the 25? TTU, VCU, Fla should come out. Certainly Michigan, FSU, unranked will get in. St Mary’s, Arkansas, Tex, Oklahoma are in the way. Should be tight.
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I agree, there were a lot of teams that we had to leapfrog to get ranked, and probably almost all of those teams did not lose over the last week. I am not sure what is going to happen, but we may not get ranked in either poll. Had we beaten Kansas, I would be more optimistic, but beating Kenpom #68 and #56, while good, may leave us with a little more work to do. Some of the time, teams in front of you have to lose before you move up.
Agree with this. We’d have to jump a dozen or so schools to crack either poll. And many of those had a good week, example being St. Mary’s who beat No. 15 Utah State. I’d guess we’re either barely in or barely out. If we do sneak in, the St. Mary’s game will determine how long we stay there.
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Being who we are (a Non-P5 school) and where we reside (in a non-P5 conference) getting ranked is tuff and doubly so if once you ARE ranked you lose any game almost immediately after climbing that hill.

Take for instance Notre Dame in FB they almost always get ranked preseason and typically have to lose multiple times to receive a lower ranking. Yes they have some talent and name recognition but generally don't have to prove too much to get the ranking in the first place.

They play somewhat average to slightly above average teams and then when they have played the tougher teams in season or especially post season tend to look not so great ... only then is it apparent that they get the ranking based upon name only. I site examples as to how they've looked playing against OSU in years past.

We have to prove a lot before we receive a ranking and then have to answer the "what have you done lately" question each and every game.

This is why I say one of the issues the Flyers have had in the past is consistent winning both in season and season to season. Even that 4 year NCAA run wasn't enough. It helped but it wasn't the magic elixir either.

That all being said being ranked is better than not all all ... as fleeting as it may be.
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If UD is a P5 team their performance in Maui gets them into the Top 25.
I say again, the day will come when 64 teams from the P5 leagues play for the National hoops Championship and the UD's of the world are relegated to the "NIT"......football and 80,000 butts in the stands on Sat rules the NCAA decision making.

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At some times in the past the metrics guys had us rated high, but we never sniffed the Top25 for the AP and Coaches. This year may reverse that trend. A step forward for our program.
How is that a step forward for the program? The metrics can help get you into the tourney, the rankings mean absolutely, positively nothing to the committee, as they should.

How about we act like we belong and not act like the Cubs won the World Series every time our name appears (or might appear) on a subjective list of the opinions of sports writers/coaches?
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If UD was in the top 10 and lost to either Evansville or Stephen F. Austin at home like Kentucky and Duke did, you better bet that the pollsters would have hammered UD for that type of loss, but Kentucky and Duke both stay in the top 15.
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The UKs and Dukes of the world have earned that respect thru multiple years, if not decades of maintaining top level coaching and top level talent. UD hasn't earned that same level of respect; but as gonzaga has proven, it can still be earned. Say it with me Dory "just keep winning, just keep winning, just keep winning"





FWIW, seth davis has UD at 9th in this weeks rankings, Jon Rothstein has UD at 23rd in his top 40. Those are the 2 I've found that have published their rankings as of this morning.
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If UD was in the top 10 and lost to either Evansville or Stephen F. Austin at home like Kentucky and Duke did, you better bet that the pollsters would have hammered UD for that type of loss, but Kentucky and Duke both stay in the top 15.
We are not Duke or Kentucky, people are going to have to come to terms with that. Or maybe you're right, maybe Duke is terrible, but they beat Kansas and Kansas hasn't really beaten anyone else, so maybe they are horrible too and that means we aren't that good. We can't have it both ways, shouting about our P5 scalps from the mountaintops but then complaining that the P5 is only well thought of because they are P5.

If we lose to a lesser team there isn't the opportunity to "repair" our reputation in the eyes of the voters. The bright side is, IT DOESN'T MATTER!!!!
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We come in 19th in the new poll.

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If UD is a P5 team their performance in Maui gets them into the Top 25.
I say again, the day will come when 64 teams from the P5 leagues play for the National hoops Championship and the UD's of the world are relegated to the "NIT"......football and 80,000 butts in the stands on Sat rules the NCAA decision making.

With that said, in this '19-'20 season we can be where we want to be in March, not at the end of November......GO FLYERS!!
We are a P5 team, just not in a P5 conference. This year will open some eyes, and hopefully, doors. Realignment is not finished.
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As we saw in one of Archie’s last years, getting ranked after we enter league play can really pay off. We started rising before 2 loses. It was a bit artificial it felt to me. But a year like this when we have the team I can see attrition knocking out the higher P5 ranked teams and we climb by virtue of being dominant in a mid major conference. Wait and see. We may have the best seed in the NCAAT we’ve ever seen.
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As we saw in one of Archie’s last years, getting ranked after we enter league play can really pay off. We started rising before 2 loses. It was a bit artificial it felt to me. But a year like this when we have the team I can see attrition knocking out the higher P5 ranked teams and we climb by virtue of being dominant in a mid major conference. Wait and see. We may have the best seed in the NCAAT we’ve ever seen.

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example being St. Mary’s who beat No. 15 Utah State.
Utah State loses a close game AT Saint Mary's and falls 10 spots in the AP Poll to #25 and out of the rankings completely in the Coaches Poll.

I mean seriously? By losing to a borderline NCAA Top-25 team on the road in a close game? Kentucky lost at HOME to EVANSVILLE(!) and fell fewer spots.

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Utah State loses a close game AT Saint Mary's and falls 10 spots in the AP Poll to #25 and out of the rankings completely in the Coaches Poll.

I mean seriously? By losing to a borderline NCAA Top-25 team on the road in a close game? Kentucky lost at HOME to EVANSVILLE(!) and fell fewer spots.

Two sets of rules.
Utah State is also without the Portuguese fella who's their best player
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Noticed that realtimerpi is now showing the Flyers with a projected record at 28-3. I'll take that. Would probably give us about a 3 seed in the ncaa tourney, depending on the A-10 tourney.
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My apology if this has already been posted.

I realize the CBS top 25 plus 1 is basically just one guys opinion, but they have us up to #7. Yes I know rankings like this mean very little, but **** is it ever nice to see where we are at and even nicer to see the 3 teams listed directly below us!

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My apology if this has already been posted.

I realize the CBS top 25 plus 1 is basically just one guys opinion, but they have us up to #7. Yes I know rankings like this mean very little, but **** is it ever nice to see where we are at and even nicer to see the 3 teams listed directly below us!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ankings/top25/
And not a single team on the list has an X in it's name.
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My apology if this has already been posted.

I realize the CBS top 25 plus 1 is basically just one guys opinion, but they have us up to #7. Yes I know rankings like this mean very little, but **** is it ever nice to see where we are at and even nicer to see the 3 teams listed directly below us!

https://www.cbssports.com/college-ba...ankings/top25/

Actually, I'd argue that aside from the selection committe's internal polls, Gary's top 25+1, combined with his poll attacks may be the most influential ballet out there. While his ballot doesn't count in the AP poll, his poll attack column will call out dumbassery when he sees it, which happens regularly. Thing is, you don't have to agree with his opinion or rankings, but he's the only one out there regularly posting and giving reasoning to his rankings (ie doing it daily, some do it once, maybe twice a week, Gary keeps you updated every day, save perhaps Friday once conference play starts and there isn't much friday night action). If I was an AP voter, I'd be reading his column to check what I believe is true.
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We haven’t played X in a few years and been in Different conferences for 6 (?) years yet you all still worry about them. I loved the atmosphere when they came to town and remember the year they brought towel guy back but it’s time to let that ship sail...it’s already departed the port
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We haven’t played X in a few years and been in Different conferences for 6 (?) years yet you all still worry about them. I loved the atmosphere when they came to town and remember the year they brought towel guy back but it’s time to let that ship sail...it’s already departed the port
Nobody is worried about them. I just like seeing them fail. I know we'd beat them by 20 this season.
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Our Flyers come in at #14 in the new AP poll! Come in ahead of both MSU at #16 and North Carolina at #17! GO FLYERS! Now lets stay there!
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Colorado stays in the top 25 - coming in 24th - https://apnews.com/APTop25CollegeBasketballPoll

Would be nice for that to be a top 25 match up in Chicago.
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On all ballots but 1 (Zach Klein)


As high as 6th on 2, at 7 on a handful and on down the line.


Colorado stays ranked, which is good for UD in 2 weeks, hopefully they (and UD) stay there in the next poll.


John Feinstein, who's rankings always seem to be a little goofy due his voting for "the little guy" (often a patriot league team) until they lose has Duquesne at 25th, so good for them (he also has richmond at 23 for their only 3 points)


VCU picked up 1 25th place vote, thought they should be getting a little more recognition.

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The last time the Flyers were ranked this high was the 2007-08 season when we were also 14th. Before that it was 1967-68 when they went to the Final 4 and ranked #6.
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The Flyers

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They were ranked 6th in 1967.
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This has got to be the most poorly proofread article ever. Makes some of the DDN articles look like Shakespearean prose. The author looks to have been drinking.

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They were ranked 6th in 1967.
They started out the 67/68 season in the top ten and then did a swan dive. Just couldn't stand prosperity. Hopefully our current Flyers reverse that situation.
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UD is 12th in the new Coaches Poll
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UD is 12th in the new Coaches Poll
That's the highest we have been ranked since the fall of 1967.

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Sorry, Alberto Strasse, you are right. It was 1966-67 for the NCAA Final Four when we were ranked 6th and 1967-68 when we had a bad start to the season but ended up beating Kansas and Jo Jo White for the NIT championship!
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Gonna be tough for us to crack the top 25. Not so much about us but more about who’s currently in or ahead of us and not ranked. Seems a lot of teams to climb over.Most that took losses recently, lost to ranked teams. Only MSU in the top ten seems vulnerable but would they drop out of the 25? TTU, VCU, Fla should come out. Certainly Michigan, FSU, unranked will get in. St Mary’s, Arkansas, Tex, Oklahoma are in the way. Should be tight.
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So much for that thought. 7 days later we’re ranked 14th and 12th, respectively.

Just goes to show how MUCH we respect we’re actually getting nationally, from the AP AND the Coaches, when in years past we’ve had to stand on top of a bell tower shouting at the top of our lungs to be heard. I actually think we “look” more the part this year than perhaps our actual results support as it relates to our ranking(s) - a complete 180 historically.

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I just have to think this is the time to close the deal on one of these decommitted/undecided recruits out there right now. Strike while the PR machine is at its highest level in years.
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The season is over . . .

In the respect that we know who we are. In previous years we would still be doing a bunch of what ifs and who ifs, etc at this point in the season. We know this team can compete with ANYONE. Everyone likes their teammates and has bought into their roles and we are deep enough to cover anyone with an off night. The whole season is laid out in front of us. We now just need to execute. We are probably looking at maximum of 3-4 total losses going into Selection Sunday. We now can start to work on the bench who will be next year's starters. Can they sustain and build leads when Obi and Ryan are on the bench. This success will build success.

The only things that matter now are focus and health. The rest will take care of itself. After we beat Colorado, we will be "The" story in college basketball. We need to bask in it, capitalize on it and act like we've been here before - because we have!

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In the respect that we know who we are. In previous years we would still be doing a bunch of what ifs and who ifs, etc at this point in the season. We know this team can compete with ANYONE. Everyone likes their teammates and has bought into their roles and we are deep enough to cover anyone with an off night. The whole season is laid out in front of us. We now just need to execute. We are probably looking at maximum of 3-4 total losses going into Selection Sunday. We now can start to work on the bench who will be next year's starters. Can they sustain and build leads when Obi and Ryan are on the bench. This success will build success.

The only things that matter now are focus and health. The rest will take care of itself. After we beat Colorado, we will be "The" story in college basketball. We need to bask in it, capitalize on it and act like we've been here before - because we have!

ENJOY THE RIDE! GO FLYERS!!

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LOVE your optimism. Not sure I’d be putting my chips in the center of the table yet on the 3-4 loss maximum. That’s probably a best case scenario. We’ll probably lose as many as 3 in the A10 itself.

Focus we can control. Health (knock on wood), not so much.

This is very much a different team (than the above ceiling referenced) if we were to sustain an injury to any of the following - Obi, Crutch, Mikesell and probably Ibi. They all include skill sets that really don’t have depth/replacement on the team, while we do have great depth as a whole. I include Ibi in here because he’s simply that good of a sharp-shooter when his feet are set. Might even throw Chatman in here because of his defense, but I think Cohill and Matos could fill that defensive void.

Injuries that would hurt but perhaps could be overcome - Trey, Chase, Cohill, Matos, Jordy

I don’t what to take your post out of context or misinterpret in any way, but my initial reaction was to not count too many chicks before they hatch.

It’s EARLY in the season, lots of hoops left and anything can happen. As referenced above, injury bug. We believe we have GREAT culture, but what if some guys make some stupid decisions in the Ghetto or at a party. We all know how that can derail a season or disrupt a rotation.

IMO, the thing we need complete and total focus on is the defensive intensity. That and the limiting of careless turnovers. If we can focus on that for 40 minutes, night in and night out, I believe this team can be a legit Final Four threat. They’re simply that good. Their balance, their depth, their extra pass mentality, their ability to shoot the triple, Obi.

And wow, are they fun to watch.
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If Trey goes down we’re hurting. I’d even go as far to say that an injury to Johnson ‘could’ be very damaging, but the Royal jury is still out on Johnson. But we NEED Trey. You just can’t replace everything he brings.
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If Trey goes down we’re hurting. I’d even go as far to say that an injury to Johnson ‘could’ be very damaging, but the Royal jury is still out on Johnson. But we NEED Trey. You just can’t replace everything he brings.
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I know I've been right there with you, talking up Trey for years. I worry almost about as much as losing him next season as I do Obi. Losing him prematurely, in the middle of this season, would be a massive kick in the stones!



Let's just hope all our guys stay healthy so we can really see what they are capable of.
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I feel like almost any injury is going to hurt us because we have a ton of contributors. That is part of our team strength. We have threats all over the floor, so who do you guard? We have a variety of "types" of players that allow us to match up well against most other teams and play different styles. We have depth, where you can't key on one critical guy and wear him down, ala Brian Roberts.

I watched some highlights of yesterdays game. With Landers shooting well, we had stretches where we had 5 guys on the floor that you could not leave alone on the 3pt line. That is tough to guard with Obi in the mix.

Our team is greater than the sum of its parts because they compliment each other and spread the floor.

Keeping my fingers crossed that we don't lose a player to injury or anything else.

I guess this is how fragile things can be when you are near the top of the food chain in terms of team quality.

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In the respect that we know who we are. In previous years we would still be doing a bunch of what ifs and who ifs, etc at this point in the season. We know this team can compete with ANYONE. Everyone likes their teammates and has bought into their roles and we are deep enough to cover anyone with an off night. The whole season is laid out in front of us. We now just need to execute. We are probably looking at maximum of 3-4 total losses going into Selection Sunday. We now can start to work on the bench who will be next year's starters. Can they sustain and build leads when Obi and Ryan are on the bench. This success will build success.

The only things that matter now are focus and health. The rest will take care of itself. After we beat Colorado, we will be "The" story in college basketball. We need to bask in it, capitalize on it and act like we've been here before - because we have!

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We have an idea of who we are. Grant you that(no pun intended). But we won't know for sure who we are until we see how we handle conference play. The teams we play outside of conference don't have to focus on how to bring UD down like our conference rivals do. And they will try their hardest to do so. Conference play is more important than OOC because you aren't going anywhere if you don't play well in conference. And teams in our conference will be licking their chops trying to get that quality win against the Flyers. And they will be better prepared to do so than our OOC opponents.

I think this is the most promising Flyers' team, especially because of quality depth and experience, that I remember in ages. So I believe we will pass all tests, but I'm not sure of it because as we all know shxx happens.
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Old 12-09-2019, 05:05 PM
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Can we not talk about injuries and the injury bug? Have you not watched "Fight Club"? Last thing that should be discussed right now is health-this has been a snake-bitten program, we don't need help. I say we zip it.
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Can we not talk about injuries and the injury bug? Have you not watched "Fight Club"? Last thing that should be discussed right now is health-this has been a snake-bitten program, we don't need help. I say we zip it.
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Originally Posted by rollo View Post
If Trey goes down we’re hurting. I’d even go as far to say that an injury to Johnson ‘could’ be very damaging, but the Royal jury is still out on Johnson. But we NEED Trey. You just can’t replace everything he brings.
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I think it's safe to say we don't want anything happening to any of our starters.

I think we can deal with Johnson being sidelined... he had one fantastic game against the WORSE team on our schedule... he had more fouls than points against SMC- averaging 1 foul every two minutes... I don't think he is close to his potential yet.

Landers does EVERYTHING, including jawing at the officials.

I'm personally offended you mentioned Johnson in the same string of keystrokes.
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I love Trey and agree 100% that he is the ultimate do everything guy. He cannot, I repeat, cannot guard a skilled true big in the post. He can body up a 6’6”, 6”7” guy, but the big skilled guys are just too much, that’s just science. You need 6’10”, 6’11” guy who can lean on guys, push them away from then basket, etc... To get where we want to get we are going to need the big guys. We saw it against Kansas, we’ll see it again especially in the later rounds of the NCAA tourney.
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Can we not talk about injuries and the injury bug? Have you not watched "Fight Club"? Last thing that should be discussed right now is health-this has been a snake-bitten program, we don't need help. I say we zip it.
Not only that, but we should actually be talking about how good this team can be when all the players are in game shape and contributing meaningful minutes. Johnson is showing flashes of brilliance, but at times he still plays like a freshman. He will get better with more PT, which I hope he gets in the rest of the OOC games. I don’t think we’ve seen what Jordy can do when he is healthy. He too needs more reps in game situations, but more importantly, he needs his knee to heal so can go full stop. In Arch’s column a couple of days ago he said Jordy is not yet fully recovered.

I agree with Bilas, this team is as good as ANY team in the NCAA this year. Let’s act like it and enjoy the ride. There will be plenty of time for glass-half-empty arguments after Obi wins the NBA lottery.
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On all ballots but 1 (Zach Klein)


As high as 6th on 2, at 7 on a handful and on down the line.


Colorado stays ranked, which is good for UD in 2 weeks, hopefully they (and UD) stay there in the next poll.


John Feinstein, who's rankings always seem to be a little goofy due his voting for "the little guy" (often a patriot league team) until they lose has Duquesne at 25th, so good for them (he also has richmond at 23 for their only 3 points)


VCU picked up 1 25th place vote, thought they should be getting a little more recognition.
All this and they still got it wrong...well...a little bit. There is NO WAY IN HE!! that Virginia should be ranked above us, let alone in the top 15. Not based on their play to date. THEY ARE PLAYING HORRIBLE BASKETBALL RIGHT NOW! Yes they beat UNC, who shouldn't even be ranked. I'm not a Virginia hater, but knowing what they lost and watching them play gawdawful for 3 weeks...and ranked in the top 10? Paleeeeese.
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LOVE your optimism. Not sure I’d be putting my chips in the center of the table yet on the 3-4 loss maximum . . .

. . . And wow, are they fun to watch.
You da*m near made my point. Time to buck up and push those chips in, we are playing with house money anyway. Remember, “fortune favors the bold”.
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went to the Final Four of the NCAA in 1967 and beat Kansas in the finals of the NIT in 1968.
They were ranked 6th in 1967.
They were ranked #6 preseason going into the 1967-68 season. Didn't take long for the bottom to fall out.
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They were ranked #6 preseason going into the 1967-68 season. Didn't take long for the bottom to fall out.

Started 7-9 and then won 14 games in a row to win the NIT. Somewhat similar to the 09-10 team, underachieved, didn't make the NCAA, but went on to win the NIT.
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Longtimefan:

I do not remember a lot of things, but I do remember 1964 to 1968. Beating Tenn. and UNC with Larry Miller in 1967. The year before I was at the game in Madison Square Garden when we beat Houston who had Elvin Hayes and Don Chaney. Was a sign of things to come in 1966-67.

Then picking up the pieces in 67-68 and in the NIT beating Kansas with Jo-Jo White, who went on to play for the Celtics.

I hope we are on the verge of making wonderful memories like that.
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New Power 36 from @TheAndyKatz

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If the seeds matched up this way, how much fun would it be to beat Duke in the Sweet 16?
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Lots of ranked teams fell last night. Next week should be another interesting one for rankings.
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New Power 36 from @TheAndyKatz

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sWimpy, you do know that Katz is a Republican, right?
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Started 7-9 and then won 14 games in a row to win the NIT. Somewhat similar to the 09-10 team, underachieved, didn't make the NCAA, but went on to win the NIT.
Agree that the progression of both of those squads was somewhat similar, but how/why they wound up in the NIT were completely different circumstances. The 1967-68 squad was trying to integrate new players, and race relations were a problem at the time (to the point that Glinder Torain, as I understand it, will still have nothing to do with UD), so they started 7-9 and ended winning 14 in a row. By contrast, the 2009-10 squad started 11-3 in the non-con, had a (normal) 8-8 in-con, then 1-1 in the A-10 tourney before killing it in the NIT. And, of course, BG’s issues in-con have been :dead horse:, so there’s no real point in analyzing the reason for that mid-season lull.
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