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Reminder: Tonight, the NIT plays its final four games on ESPN. Start times are 6:00 pm CST and 8:00 pm CST. That's BYU / Valparaiso and George Washington (Atlantic 10) / San Diego State. If you are a college basketball fan and not just a Dayton basketball fan then there will be some excellent games to be watched. Remember, once these final games are played; there won't be anything else to watch for a long time (late October).
If Brian Gregory had led his Georgia Tech team to a victory over San Diego State would he still have been fired?
I remember attending the last game of the season with a Dallas Mavericks versus Denver Nuggets game. Coach Dick Motta was still coaching his brains out with the younger players. They won that game and Dick Motta was fired the very next day. I remember thinking, geez, what would they have done if he had lost that game? Would they have fired him that same night? This was in 1996. But, then the Denver Nuggets were so impressed with Motta that they fired their head coach and hired Motta for the 1997 season. Given this scenario, wouldn't it be funny if South Carolina (the last team that Georgia Tech) beat in the NIT) would then fire their current head coach (Frank Martin) and hire Brian Gregory?
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Reminder: Tonight, the NIT plays its final four games on ESPN. Start times are 6:00 pm CST and 8:00 pm CST. That's BYU / Valparaiso and George Washington (Atlantic 10) / San Diego State. If you are a college basketball fan and not just a Dayton basketball fan then there will be some excellent games to be watched. Remember, once these final games are played; there won't be anything else to watch for a long time (late October).
If Brian Gregory had led his Georgia Tech team to a victory over San Diego State would he still have been fired?
I remember attending the last game of the season with a Dallas Mavericks versus Denver Nuggets game. Coach Dick Motta was still coaching his brains out with the younger players. They won that game and Dick Motta was fired the very next day. I remember thinking, geez, what would they have done if he had lost that game? Would they have fired him that same night? This was in 1996. But, then the Denver Nuggets were so impressed with Motta that they fired their head coach and hired Motta for the 1997 season. Given this scenario, wouldn't it be funny if South Carolina (the last team that Georgia Tech) beat in the NIT) would then fire their current head coach (Frank Martin) and hire Brian Gregory?
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It would be funny but not likely. They like Frank Martin and they actually think they are still ahead of schedule at this point.
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Asleep at the switch (sorry) Tuesday March 29
A-10 results:
George Washington (27-10) 65 ⇑ @ San Diego State (28-10) 46 ⇓ - NIT semifinals (NYC)
OOC opponents: none remaining
NIT semifinals (NYC):
BYU (26-11) 70 @ ⇓ Valparaiso (30-6) 72 ⇑
Vegas 16 semifinals (Las Vegas):
Santa Barbara (19-14) 49 ⇓ @ Old Dominion (24-13) 64 ⇑
East Tennessee State (24-12) 81 ⇓ @ Oakland (23-11) 104 ⇑
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Wednesday March 30
A-10 results: no games scheduled
OOC opponents: none remaining
CBI championship - game two (series tied 1-1):
Morehead State (23-13) 68 ⇓ @ Nevada (23-14) 77 ⇑
Vegas 16 championship (Las Vegas, Nevada):
Oakland (23-12) 67 ⇓ @ Old Dominion (25-13) 68 ⇑
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Thursday March 31
A-10 results:
George Washington (28-10) 76 @ Valparaiso (30-7) 60 - the Colonials win the 2016 NIT crown, recording a school record 28 wins on the season and the program's first-ever post-season title
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CBI Championship:
Morehead State (21-14) 82 ⇓ @ Nevada (24-14) 85 ⇑ (OT) - Nevada wins best of three series 2-1
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CBI Championship:
Morehead State (21-14) 82⇓ @ Nevada (24-14) 85⇑ (OT) - Nevada wins best of three series 2-1
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-bask...vada-wolf-pack
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I was really surprised how good of an atmosphere it was at that game tonight. The place looked like it was rocking and it was a very entertaining game to boot.
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Saturday April 2
NCAA semifinals (Houston, TX):
Villanova (34-5) 95 ⇑ @ Oklahoma (29-8) 51 ⇓
Syracuse (23-14) 66 ⇓ @ North Carolina (33-6) 83 ⇑
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I am really surprised that Villanova has made it this far, they only have one guy IMO that is really a good frontcourt player. But, they do have several shooters, ball handlers, and slashers, but still, just the one solid frontcourt player.
I am taking North Carolina tonight. I will be really surprised if Villanova wins, although I have not watched them at all in the NCAAT this year...NC is only favored by 2.5...Villanova must be playing well.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I am really surprised that Villanova has made it this far, they only have one guy IMO that is really a good frontcourt player. But, they do have several shooters, ball handlers, and slashers, but still, just the one solid frontcourt player.
I am taking North Carolina tonight. I will be really surprised if Villanova wins, although I have not watched them at all in the NCAAT this year...NC is only favored by 2.5...Villanova must be playing well.
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Yes, they are.
And just dominated The Sooners!!! In every way possible.
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At the beginning of the tournament I picked 'Nova to win it. 30 years ago they won while shooting 78% from the floor vs Georgetown in the final. Striking coincidence that the same program 30 years later shoots 70% from the field in the semis to win. Deja vu? Yep. Bet the farm on Villanova!
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I'm not sure any team can shoot over 70% from the field two games in a row, but we'll find out tonight. They couldn't miss and OK couldn't hit anything. Should be a different story tonight.
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One thing that stood out to me about both of these teams is that they have great size. The kids are either tall, wide or both, and athletic. We can rant about how important the guard play is, but you do not make to the final two without excellent bigs who can go inside, rebound and change shots. When Oklahoma's and Cuse's shooting went south, they were toast, and they are much bigger teams than Dayton. When NC's shooting went south against Cuse, they still won easily. We need a couple of good shooters, but we need skilled size even more. Small ball gets us in the Dance, big ball wins.
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I expect so. Another thing I expect is enough defensive strategy by Wright to let his less athletic team win. That shooting performance vs Oklahoma was virtually all run outs off turnovers which resulted in a lot of close-in shots. As I recall from memory the '85 team didn't take a shot over fifteen feet, and many were give-and-go's between Ed Pinkney and the one McClain. I just have a good feeling that I've had for a few weeks, that Wright's defensive strategy is enough to avenge the in-conference loss and to beat the overall #1 seed as an eleven-seed. Same as Rollie did 30 years ago with his eight-seed 'Nova team. Don't screw with deja vu.. 11-seed Dog's in the corner tonight. Go 'Nova!
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I just have a good feeling that I've had for a few weeks, that Wright's defensive strategy is enough to avenge the in-conference loss and to beat the overall #1 seed as an eleven-seed. Same as Rollie did 30 years ago with his eight-seed 'Nova team. Don't screw with deja vu.. 11-seed Dog's in the corner tonight. Go 'Nova!
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Not sure what you mean by the "in-conference loss" and "11-seed."
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Meant 10-seed. Villanova didn't lose one to the Tarheels this season? Oops. Dolt! Yeah, you got me! Don't know why...don't ask..
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Not sure what you mean by the "in-conference loss" and "11-seed."
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What's your pick, maestro. Or you just going to form the peanut gallery..
Edit: help form, that is
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Villanova is a 2 seed, and I'm taking North Carolina.
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Hard to believe Nova lost to OK by 23 earlier in the year, and turns around and beats them by 44.
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Originally Posted by longtimefan
Villanova is a 2 seed, and I'm taking North Carolina.
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Yeah, I know, ouch. I figured I would bow out earlier after I confused Villanova with Syracuse....TWICE and give you guys a chance to lambast me. What a big dummy!
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Monday April 4
And that's a wrap!
NCAA championship (Houston, TX):
Villanova (35-5) 77 ⇑ @ North Carolina (33-7) 74 ⇓
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Great game!! For some reason I got the distinct feeling I was watching a game from the past. It was that good. The officiating played no pivotal part imo. I'm sure the losing ticket holders will point in that direction but nah.
It was clear that Villanova was the better team tonight down the stretch. Jay Wright definitely tips his hand toward defense and it even rubs off on the offense. Do they look for contact or what?
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Well, I was clearly wrong, I did not think at all that Villanova had what it takes to win it all. They only have one solid frontcourt player IMO, Kris Jenkins. He is only listed at 6'6", but he is 240, so he has good size. Also, Jenkins can play as sort of a stretch 4, as he can bury the 3 point shot. Daniel Ochefu is not really a solid frontcourt player IMO.
It seems that you do not have to have a really tall, big, strong, solid, dominating frontcourt in order to win it all. I would not call Villanova's frontcourt really solid and dominating.
Villanova seems to play the 4 out 1 in style that so many teams nowadays seem to play, UD also seems to play the 4 out 1 in style.
I thought that Jay Wright made a huge mistake not fouling NC on NC's final possession, in order to prevent NC from tying the game with a 3 pointer with about 4 or 5 seconds left.
That was a really crazy shot that the NC player made to tie the game up. But, Villanova dodged the bullet and got the win.
The New Big East gains a ton of instant credibility.
In the past when I have watched NC under Roy Williams, their defense has been susceptible. NC seemed to amp up the defensive intensity down the stretch, but it wasn't enough. In the past, NC seemed to really like to run on offense as much as possible and play an uptempo game at the expense of their defense.
But, give Villanova a ton of credit, they got it done.
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Also, these championship games often seem to feature a really elevated level of play. Teams seem to be making shots and making plays that they did not do in all the previous games. Teams just seem to really step it up in these championship games and play out of their minds. Both teams made several great plays and made several great shots.
I remember when Ohio State lost to Florida in the national championship game, Florida was playing out of their mind, making some great plays and making some incredible shots.
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2 of the last 3 National Champions have come from a Non-Power 5 Conference. The times they are a changing!!
As long as its not _avier,Georgetown or Marquette i got no beef with a NBE team winning the title
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Nova was outrebounded by 13, and only had two offensive rebounds. They only took 14 threes, but made 20-34 two pointers. UD, by comparison average about 20 threes per game. Their ability to get the ball inside of fifteen feet on one of the biggest, most physical defensive teams, and make those tough shots was the difference.
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Originally Posted by ud2
I thought that Jay Wright made a huge mistake not fouling NC on NC's final possession, in order to prevent NC from tying the game with a 3 pointer with about 4 or 5 seconds left.
That was a really crazy shot that the NC player made to tie the game up. But, Villanova dodged the bullet and got the win.
The New Big East gains a ton of instant credibility.
But, give Villanova a ton of credit, they got it done.
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Green with envy...
Originally Posted by ud2
Well, I was clearly wrong, I did not think at all that Villanova had what it takes to win it all. They only have one solid frontcourt player IMO, Kris Jenkins. He is only listed at 6'6", but he is 240, so he has good size. Also, Jenkins can play as sort of a stretch 4, as he can bury the 3 point shot. Daniel Ochefku is not really a solid frontcourt player IMO.
It seems that you do not have to have a really tall, big, strong, solid, dominating frontcourt in order to win it all. I would not call Villanova's frontcourt really solid and dominating.
Villanova seems to play the 4 out 1 in style that so many teams nowadays seem to play, UD also seems to play the 4 out 1 in style.
I thought that Jay Wright made a huge mistake not fouling NC on NC's final possession, in order to prevent NC from tying the game with a 3 pointer with about 4 or 5 seconds left.
That was a really crazy shot that the NC player made to tie the game up. But, Villanova dodged the bullet and got the win.
The New Big East gains a ton of instant credibility.
In the past when I have watched NC under Roy Williams, their defense has been susceptible. NC seemed to amp up the defensive intensity down the stretch, but it wasn't enough. In the past, NC seemed to really like to run on offense as much as possible and play an uptempo game at the expense of their defense.
But, give Villanova a ton of credit, they got it done.
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The impact on VU as an institution is immeasurable. When UD made the Elite 8 UD tallied up the dollar value of the PR. With a national championship the name "Villanova" is known coast-to-coast, even internationally.
Applications will soar next year, acceptances of admission for the Sept class will be very large, alum contributions will rise.....and just plain national name recognition cannot get better or more valuable. VU, a relatively small regional school, becomes a national school as regards recognition.. The ND name is known everywhere.....because of sustained excellence and accomplishment in BB VU is not far behind.
I grew up in the shadow of VU, nearly went there myself with HS friends. I admit to being green with envy. And, they represent the Big East which has been reborn on the national stage. Wow!
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Great to see a small school win. Nova less than 7k students, play in a small Gym. That's the importance of a better conference.When you watch similar to UD, just a notch better player. Don't give up on the Flyers getting into Big East. Spina has ties and knows the landscape. Presidents and ADs change and there will come a day when Fox will want more product. Need to keep winning, more conference changes to come.
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2 of the last 3 National Champions have come from a Non-Power 5 Conference. The times they are a changing!!
As long as its not _avier,Georgetown or Marquette i got no beef with a NBE team winning the title
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I'm with you, BR2P3. I have no problem with schools like 'Nova, Seton Hall, DePaul, St. John's, & Butler. My only gripe with Providence is with their "sore loser" attitude from last year. My only gripe with Creighton is in how they (in Omaha, Nebraska!) got into the Big EAST. But the Unholy Trinity of the Jesuit Mafia and their arrogant fan bases? That's a different story!
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Nova played the way we wish our Flyers could play. How the Flyers played for portions of the past season but did not sustain that in any way shape or form ... sadly that was the case.
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Great to see a small school win. Nova less than 7k students, play in a small Gym. That's the importance of a better conference.When you watch similar to UD, just a notch better player. Don't give up on the Flyers getting into Big East. Spina has ties and knows the landscape. Presidents and ADs change and there will come a day when Fox will want more product. Need to keep winning, more conference changes to come.
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Very interesting point with Spina. Indeed he is well connected there. Superb point.
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I think Jay Wright will be a fixture now in the money games. He and Paul Guenther, the defensive coordinator for the Bengals, grew up in the same neighborhood. Geoff Hobson has an article on the team site focusing how they both were ingrained with defensive philosophy put forth by their dads, playing as youngsters.
Villanova, as long been a part of the Big East, is dang-near a basketball blue-blood in my book. Syracuse is there on the brink also imo. The Big East is a power 5 conference, in essence. Power 2, historically. The 2nd best basketball conference all-time is not getting a lot of recognition here. Villanova is a small school by enrollment that has been a big fish in the D1 basketball pond for a long time. Overdue. And no, UD won't play on that level, sorry. That was the elite of the elite.
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Villanova had a guy come off the bench last night and score 20 or more points...Spike Albrecht for Michigan, in the championship game a few years ago, scored a bunch of points in the first half...neither one of those guys plays like that normally.
I think that was a career high for points in one game for that Villanova guy coming off the bench.
Crazy things seem to happen in these championship games sometimes.
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Wright has been at Nova 15 years, I wonder how Archie would do if he was at Dayton 15 years. Happy for Nova since they stunk it up the 2 years prior in the Ncaa
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04-05-2016, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ud2
The New Big East gains a ton of instant credibility.
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Villanova's run says more about Villanova than it does the Big East - we can talk when someone else makes it out of the first weekend; but for now it's Villanova and the little sisters of underachievers. For comparisons, for me Gonzaga's success alone doesn't make the WCC a great conference
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04-05-2016, 11:17 PM
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I guess I would rather be known as an underachiever than maxing out in the 1st or 2nd round. Seems to have worked out pretty well for Villanova the last 3 years.
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