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SLU has a huge game Sunday against Wichita State. Incredibly important game.
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I've been very impressed with the Shockers the last few years. They have talent and they play hard....very hard.....every minute. Smart offense and hard-nosed defense makes them formidable and I can't see how they won't dominate the MVC.

Beating them will be a tall order. SLU is fully capable of doing it, but you 'gotta bring your A game.
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St. Joes got beat pretty badly by LSU tonight
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Originally Posted by Bill McPeek View Post
St. Joes got beat pretty badly by LSU tonight

The Hawks shot 25/56 from the floor, but only 3/16 from the three and 12/26 at the free throw line. That, and -9 in rebounding, is the recipe for a 17 point loss.
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Question . . .

Is this Saturday's game between Rhode Island and George Mason a conference game? Or was it scheduled before George Mason joined the A-10?

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Is this Saturday's game between Rhode Island and George Mason a conference game? Or was it scheduled before George Mason joined the A-10?

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Scheduled before.... It's technically an OOC game lol
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this happened with Eggs and Butler last year i believe
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Old 11-29-2013, 11:13 AM
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Old 11-29-2013, 05:23 PM
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Ole Miss leads Ga Tech 35-21 at the half. Henderson 4 of 9 from 3. Game being played at Barclays.
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:50 PM
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IPFW up 8 at the half at Illinois while being 1 of 8 from the foul line.
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IPFW up 8 at the half at Illinois while being 1 of 8 from the foul line.

Tied up with 8 minutes to go. These guys are no slouches. Both of their losses this year were by one point on the road.

UPDATE: IPFW up 1 with 3 minutes to go...

FINAL: Illinois 57, IPFW 55. Several turnovers by IPFW in the final two minutes. That seems to be their MO...

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Old 11-29-2013, 09:58 PM
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down by 1 30 seconds left. 2 charging fouls in a row by steve forbes the flat tax man
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:07 PM
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Mastodons have a hard time with free throws - their hands are too large.

IPFW goes 2-13 at the line, and Illinois wins by 2 . . .

Talk about snake-bit.

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lost by 2. 2-13 from the foul line. Ouch.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:36 PM
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I'd be shocked if IPFW doesn't either win or contend for their conference title.
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Old 11-29-2013, 10:45 PM
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watching Creighton again, watched last night as well (ASU). They had an early 11 point lead against SDSU but are now down 20. They are not going to be very good when McDermott and Gibbs graduate after this year. There is no reason to believe McDermott the Elder is a special coach, he has just taken advantage of having a first team All American for the last three years. McDermott the Younger reminds a lot of Bird as a collegiate player. He effects everything on the floor as the opponents entire scheme is built to stop him, yet it doesn't.
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lost by 2. 2-13 from the foul line. Ouch.
You couldn't write fiction like this......NO ONE WOULD BELIEVE IT.

I'm almost 70 years old and I can hit at least 4 or 5 out of 13 at the free throw line--even now. And if the basket would just stop moving a little bit, I'd do even better than that!
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So sad that all three of the new Big East members lost on Friday. Not.
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So sad that all three of the new Big East members lost on Friday. Not.
Nova did uphold the NBE though.
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Georgia tech has blown 12 point lead to St. Johns. With 3 minutes to go St. Johns up 12. Most interesting thing is the crowd, or actually, lack of a crowd. There may be 200 people there max. I see about 5 GT colored shirts, and about a dozen red shirts behind St. John bench. Guess everybody else was just looking for something to do on a Saturday. It is at Barclays center. Hope Fox is not planning on St. Johns filling up Barclays for NBE tourney.
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Georgia tech has blown 12 point lead to St. Johns. With 3 minutes to go St. Johns up 12. Most interesting thing is the crowd, or actually, lack of a crowd. There may be 200 people there max. I see about 5 GT colored shirts, and about a dozen red shirts behind St. John bench. Guess everybody else was just looking for something to do on a Saturday. It is at Barclays center. Hope Fox is not planning on St. Johns filling up Barclays for NBE tourney.
To be fair, the Georgia Tech-Georgia game is going on right now. Most people care about football more than basketball, especially in November. That explains where the GT fans are. St. John's fans, I'm not sure. Do they have any fans?
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To be fair, the Georgia Tech-Georgia game is going on right now. Most people care about football more than basketball, especially in November. That explains where the GT fans are. St. John's fans, I'm not sure. Do they have any fans?
I agree about GT, wouldn't expect a big following in NY. My point was the lack of St. John fans in their on back yard and how that may project to their lack of support of the BE tourney.
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In the Iowa Villanova game, one of the announcers mentioned that the championship game in the Battle for Atlantis was a much bigger game for Villanova than for Iowa. Paraphrasing, he said Iowa would have many chances for good wins against power teams in Big 10 play, but that Villanova wouldn't have that opportunity in the new Big East since all the power teams have gone elsewhere.
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If you're holding out hope that UD gets invited to the BigEast, shouldn't you also be hoping the BigEast remains strong?
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NBE is going to be what it is with or without the Flyers. At 10 teams they're (NBE & Fox) not going to get the sole position they're pursuing, that being, the best non BCS basketball conference and 1 of the top basketball conferences in USA. Just isn't going to happen because they have too many open flanks. And that's where I see UD fitting in...NBE will have to further damage the A10 to protect their asset. A10 is more than fine as we stand today but after another raid maybe not so attractive especially for UD if SLU and another team other than UD leaves A10.

So to answer your question, it makes no difference the strength of the NBE as it stands today and a weak 1st year likely lends itself to expansion sooner rather than later and NBE is where UD belongs competing across many sports with our peer institutions.

I would be more than satisfied staying in the A10 as we stand this morning but the A10 won't be comprised with the same teams maybe as soon as 1 year but most certainly in the 1-3 year timeframe.

And UD's start to the 13-14 campaign has to help our chances...we would currently be 3rd in NBE RPI and our fan support is 2nd to none...lookins to some of these ooc games is eye opening...a couple of these venues have had embarrassing turnouts.
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Myself and several other on this board have been saying all along that you need to be careful what you ask for... I still see nothing in the NBE that is going to be any better than the A-10. The FOX money will dry up when the rating are not there....
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NBE and UD

There is so much more to this than hoops---no matter what some of the pundits and message board sermonizers claim.

I remain confident that we'll get an invite and mostly because the NBE needs as many stable, competent well run institutions in the mix as is possible on ALL levels.

As stated above, "IF" the Presidents go in others directions we would be fine in the A-10 but long term I as well as most folks know the Flyers would fit well with the likes of DePaul, X, Nova' ,etc.
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If you're holding out hope that UD gets invited to the BigEast, shouldn't you also be hoping the BigEast remains strong?
It is what it is. A better conference than the A10 in terms of national perception, even if the gap on the court is narrower. And one that for the next 10 years will have more money.

That money will dry up in the next renegotiation when Fox1 realizes they grossly overpaid and the schools in the NBE (with or without UD, SLU, Richmond, VCU or Gonzaga) can't draw the TV audience to support the rights fees.

The NBE will never be what Georgetown and Marquette think it is. With or without anyone they add to it. I would be quite content staying in the A10 forever if the NBE stays at 10. They key to an invite is the NBE going to 12 or 16t and being left behind.
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It is what it is. A better conference than the A10 in terms of national perception, even if the gap on the court is narrower. And one that for the next 10 years will have more money.

That money will dry up in the next renegotiation when Fox1 realizes they grossly overpaid and the schools in the NBE (with or without UD, SLU, Richmond, VCU or Gonzaga) can't draw the TV audience to support the rights fees.

The NBE will never be what Georgetown and Marquette think it is. With or without anyone they add to it. I would be quite content staying in the A10 forever if the NBE stays at 10. They key to an invite is the NBE going to 12 or 16t and being left behind.
I wonder how stable the New BE would be if the money started to dry up because Fox gets a new sweetheart league under contract. The situation could end up being a lot more fluid than we think.

Whatever happens, an independently strong program at UD will serve us best. I have no love for the Old BE leftovers who think they still have the status of riding the big school coattails. There is a lot more bluster than substance in that group. They have to live on their own merits now.

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I keep hearing about $$$ the NBE would bring along with national headlines.

Well we are now on national TV more than we ever have and that brings in $$$. Is that enough to offset what the NBE/Fox1 would give, not sure but we are getting more revenue than we have.

With our fan base we will continue to get more invites to national tournaments as the networks love the flyer fans. They bring it and light up the room.

I would rather be a top tier A-10 program with regular post season trips than a middle pack NBE with few post season trips.

The goal of our program, the coaches and players, along with fans is to make the big dance as often as we can. X, Gonzaga, Butler all made it without being in an NBE type league. I believe we can reach those goals easier in the A-10 than in the NBE.

My only interest in being part of the NBE is the brand name of the programs we played in years past. But I really don't care for their smug Jesuit run league. What kind of vote will Butler have against the Jesuit dominated league when things come up for a vote.

At present the A-10 is doing better in tournaments and occ.

I also believe UD and X are going in different directions.
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Well we are now on national TV more than we ever have and that brings in $$$. Is that enough to offset what the NBE/Fox1 would give, not sure but we are getting more revenue than we have.
For the next 10 years, that equation isn't even close. The NBE means millions more per year till the Fox1 money dries up.
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There are three scenarios that keep bouncing around in my head.

Scenario #1 -- The NBE presidents already know who the 11th and 12th teams will be. The decision was made well over a year ago and a little bit of information leaked out at the time. But then they decided to put a lid on it and since then the official line is, "We aren't even thinking about expansion." In this case Dr. Dan probably already knows what will happen, and likely when.

Scenario #2 -- The NBE is mildly disappointing in its first full year of operation, which displeases Fox, which wants to show the clear leader in non-BCS conferences. The best course of action is to raid and cripple the other non-BCS competition, meaning the A-10. This prompts the conference to expand to 12 teams, adding two schools from the A-10. Then the NBE really is the clear leader in the non-football world with the picked over A-10 and the MVC left in the dust.

Scenario #3 -- There really is no plan. The NBE presidents are more or less oblivious to what is going on around them and they deal with matters haphazardly as they come up. Expansion really isn't being considered right now and Fox is not insisting on a strengthened BNE, just yet anyway. If the NBE does well in it's inaugural campaign this scenario might.....might....be the operative one.

If I were forced to bet my life savings I'd have to go with either scenario #1 or #2. Why?

If you remember when the NBE was being formed fairly reliable information leaked out that the conference would start at either 10 or 12 schools, with expansion to 12 following on rather rapidly if 10 was the original starting number. This was bolstered by rather accurate money numbers showing what Fox would pay for a 10 team conference and for a 12 team conference. No one, then or now, has disputed these reports.

There have been reports that the NBE is considering VCU, a large public school in Richmond, VA. I don't put any credence in this information. Yes, VCU is good on the basketball floor, and yes, it does bring a new TV market, but VCU has two huge negatives: it is public and it may have football aspirations in the future. It is inconceivable to me that the NBE presidents, who formed the league because they tired of working with schools that had vastly different missions than theirs, would again open their arms to a public school. It just doesn't compute. There are also reports that Richmond is a favorite of some NBE schools, and coincidentally the Spider have just renovated their arena and added Lacrosse. But adding Richmond would not strike a significant blow at the A-10.

So, I'll give scenario #1 a 60% chance, scenario #2 a 30% chance, and scenario #3 a 10% chance.
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One thing we keep hearing is market size. No doubt SLU brings a huge market compared to Dayton. But that does not necessarily mean there will be more fans watching in St. Louis than Dayton and it is fans that they count or viewers. (Using St. Louis as an example only I believe they are team #11 to be added).

A larger market does not mean more college basketball viewers. Right now they are seeing results and those numbers are showing that Dayton, while in Southwest Ohio and considered X's market are NOT watching Fox Sports 1 college basketball. Little to no interest. So X and even Butler are not carrying the Dayton viewership.

There are tell tale signs as to what are going on and possibly already known to the Presidents and leagues. A-10 in expanding has added only eastern schools and is looking to add other eastern schools.

If SLU and UD were not already thought to be moving to the NBE then why wouldn't the A-10 add schools closer to SLU and UD. Clearly they are thinking eastern only schools.
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For the next 10 years, that equation isn't even close. The NBE means millions more per year till the Fox1 money dries up.
Don't know what the numbers are but for sure Dayton is making a lot more now than they were. A Big factor is NCAA success. I do know that Dayton would bring in a lot more money going to post season after post season and deep in the NCAA versus sitting at home as a middle of the pack NBE team.

Gotta look at the big picture where ALL the money would come from, and not just count the Fox money
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for SLU the Crews inevitable slide has begun. Played very dumb down the stretch and lost a game to Wichita that they should have won.

3 years from SLU will be struggling and will hire a new coach. Keeping Crews was an awful permanent hire.
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The Wichita State -- SLU game went to the still undefeated no. 12 Shockers in St. Louis 70 -65. Good game and SLU/A-10 got some good words. St. Joe's took Wash State earlier today.

Noted a Yahoo Sport article on the wheels coming off for a former A-10 team at Atlantis. Went into the tournament 5-0 and left 5-3. Too bad.
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the formula for teams playing there way in to the NCAA tourney in conference play is gone in the NBE. Teams like X, Butler and Creighton are used to it, going to be a rude awakening for the others.
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There are three scenarios that keep bouncing around in my head.

Scenario #1 -- The NBE presidents already know who the 11th and 12th teams will be. The decision was made well over a year ago and a little bit of information leaked out at the time. But then they decided to put a lid on it and since then the official line is, "We aren't even thinking about expansion." In this case Dr. Dan probably already knows what will happen, and likely when.
My money is on the above scenario #1. Someone whom I think is in the loop told me probably a year ago it was a done deal. Ran into him a few weeks ago and he says he has heard no differently.

I do not think FOX money will run out for a long time. If memory serves me right, FOX sports has been criticized in the past for the amounts they have paid for different events (NFL, MLB, thinking there were more), yet they still continue to spend big money year after year to grow the network, which is now become a family of networks. They have very deep pockets, and are not afraid to spend money to make money.
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Well, the NBE isn't dead yet. They are still ahead of the A-10 and will likely stay that way. I wouldn't worry too much about them. They'll do OK come Selection Sunday.

It's the A-10 we need to concentrate on.

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that was before the giant turd SHU dropped today. Losing at home to that 321 ranked FDU is a mortal blow. they dropped almost 100 places in the RPI.
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Well, the NBE isn't dead yet. They are still ahead of the A-10 and will likely stay that way. I wouldn't worry too much about them. They'll do OK come Selection Sunday.

It's the A-10 we need to concentrate on.

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If you look closely the Big East has an orange arrow pointing downward whereas the A-10 has a blue arrow pointing upward.

And that is before today's Big East losses. Big East was SOS #1 and are now #10 with a downward spiral.

BTW who is not concentrating on the A-10? Keeping track of where we stack up with the so called BCS teams.
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the point is that for the most part the NBE and the A10 are in the same boat, most of the heavy lifting to build an NCAA resume must be done prior to conference play.
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I'm for moving to the NBE...always have been. I would rather have home games against X, Butler, Creighton, Nova, Gtown, Marq, etc.

One thing that I think people are missing is that Fox will promote the NBE quite a bit. The original Big East included St Johns, UConn, Providence, Seton Hall and Villanova that, in the late 70's, were all irrelevant on the national scene. ESPN promoted the league and the players came and the coaches stayed.

I think the NBE will have similar success. If you look at recruits for next year, the NBE has quite a few top 150 recruits. They can sell national exposure more than a team in the A10 can sell it.
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the formula for teams playing there way in to the NCAA tourney in conference play is gone in the NBE. Teams like X, Butler and Creighton are used to it, going to be a rude awakening for the others.
Exactly, beating each other isn't going to do them a whole lot good because their OOC resumes are not that solid. In the past the BE had Syracuse, Pitt, ND to help them get good wins. I would not be surprised to see them get only 3 teams in the tourney.
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32-24 GW over Creighton at the half. GW looks just OK, the Blewjays are weak.
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That's 2 bad losses for SLU. This team is simply not as good as we thought.

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That's 2 bad losses for SLU. This team is simply not as good as we thought.

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LSU beats Butler in OT. How's is looking now X, Butler and Creighton?

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That's 2 bad losses for SLU. This team is simply not as good as we thought.

Good luck to your Flyers.
Wich St is not a bad loss, it is a very very good team.
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Originally Posted by El Shaqtus View Post
That's 2 bad losses for SLU. This team is simply not as good as we thought.

Good luck to your Flyers.
El Shaq...you should be one of the UD fans who implodes after any loss. I'm not sure how you could call a 5 pt loss to Wichita St a bad loss.
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El Shaq...you should be one of the UD fans who implodes after any loss. I'm not sure how you could call a 5 pt loss to Wichita St a bad loss.
5 at home to WSU and 6 to Wisconsin Neutral...

Not quite good enough.
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Your expectations for your team are not realistic. You must be a fan.
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SLU lost to 2 decent teams. SLU will be good because McCall, Jett and Evans are tough guys. When they are gone ...
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Definitely not a bad loss. St. Louis likely will finish Out of Conference play with no bad losses (outside of top 100 losses). But they also will have no top 50 wins and only 1 opportunity at a top 100 win with a home game versus Indiana St.

They will need some top 100 and 50 wins in-conference.
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Your expectations for your team are not realistic. You must be a fan.
I expect a team with 4 starters back from a 28 win team to not crap themselves at home. I have never been known for realisitc expectations (I was ticked off when the 2011 team lost 19 games).
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SLU lost to 2 decent teams. SLU will be good because McCall, Jett and Evans are tough guys. When they are gone ...
Believe that his statement re: SLU was meant to be sarcasm as SLU's two loses were to no. 10 Wisconsin and no. 12 Shockers.

Bottom line is that the A10 will be tough and the games that I am watching indicate that this is recognized. GWU is giving no. 20 Creighton a good game and is ahead by one with 7 to go.
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I expect a team with 4 starters back from a 28 win team to not crap themselves at home. I have never been known for realisitc expectations (I was ticked off when the 2011 team lost 19 games).
it was a game SLU needed to win do doubt because if you look at their OOC schedule the opportunities for a signature win are gone.
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Creighton up by 3 with 3 to go. McShootit only 2 for 12 and 7 points.
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GWU upset Creighton 60 - 53 and represented the A10 well. "A significant win for the A10" and "a statement about the depth of that conference" were among the comments.
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Creighton really misses the toughness and defense of Echenique
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GWU upset Creighton 60 - 53 and represented the A10 well. "A significant win for the A10" and "a statement about the depth of that conference" were among the comments.
I guess it is considered an upset but the preseason #10 Atlantic 10 team beating he preseason #3 Big East team sounds about right to me.
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If you stop McDermott, you stop Creighton. He ended 2-12 with no 3's.

Zags up 15 on Coppin early in second.
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GW played just well enough to win. Their length bothered Creighton on defense and McDermott had possibly his worst game ever. The Colonials were money at the free throw line in the last minute.

I saw GW earlier in the tournament and they looked awful losing to Marquette. Big turn around.
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If you're holding out hope that UD gets invited to the BigEast, shouldn't you also be hoping the BigEast remains strong?
I am not holding out hope that UD gets invited to the BigEast. I think for the time being, we are better off without them. The only good reason to join is money, and money is not what the program needs the most now and in the foreseeable future.
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Hope everyone had a healthy, happy thanksgiving (though I wonder if Pierre & Gavrolivich just hung out with each other or if they've jumped full bore into this version of an American Holiday? (Canada does have its own version, don't know about France)). Kind of weird having just a long layoff and a weekend w/o UD hoops, though after last seasons debacle vs Buffalo, I think it was the right call by the administration/coaching staff.

As far as today goes, Monday Dec 2, its kind of a light day, as expected:
Baptist Bible College @ Delaware St
UC Irvine @ Cal (-7)

A few hours too early but there is the chance that UD is ranked by this evening when they come out, at a minimum I'd expect them to start picking up some votes, so while teams losing ahead of them doesn't have a direct impact on the flyers, it helps bump up the flyers spot in the college basketball world as long as they take care of their business. So w/ that said:

#15 Florida @ #13 UConn (-5) somebody's got to lose, and these rankings are still from last week, though assuming both take care of business later this week, I doubt UD jumps ahead of the losser of this game w/ 2 victories this week

Auburn @ #17 Iowa St (-17.5) looking at the spread and what I've seen of ISU this season in a couple of games, I don't see Auburn coming close to spring the upset.
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Delaware State tunes up for Flyers with 72-47 trouncing of powerful Baptist Bible College. Next up -#25 Dayton.


FYI - Bears and Anteater game is on Pac-12 network tonight.
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Right now I am watching Cal play UC Ervine, which is favored to win the Big West. Ervine has that 7'6" center, Mamadou Ndiaye. Cal is up 26-13 as I type.
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As mentioned above, Delaware St cruised to an easy victory of a D2 school.
Cal's lead held up and then some against UC Irvine
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Today marks the start of the B10/ACC challenge that will extend into tomorrow. While the individual games don't have a direct impact on UD, the results could bump UD up a spot or two in the polls or down a spot or two.

But first, our opponents:

IPFW @ Miami (OH) (+1.5)
#21 UMass @ E Michigan (+6)
Illinois @ GTech (PK)
Rockhurst @ SLU (NL)
Winthrop @ Virginia Tech (NL yet, but this has my attention as Winthrop is doing well early)
UMass-Lowell @ the Bonnies (NL)

Now in and around the AP Poll

SC Upstate @ Cincy (NL, should be an easy Bearcat win)
Indiana (#26) @ #4 Syracuse (-6.5) A win by Indiana probably jumps them over UD
Penn St @ Pittsburgh (-14, Pitt is about 30th, can't see this one jumping them up a ton)
Colorado @ Colorado St (+2.5, colorado is even further back than Pitt and I can't see this game changing anyone's mind, but wouldn't hurt if CSU pulled off the home upset)
#22 Michigan @ #10 Duke (-7) kind of like when Michigan plays ND in football, may a large rock land in the middle of the arena and ease both programs. (I kid, kind of )
Notre Dame @ #23 Iowa (-9.5)
FSU @ Minnesota (-3.5) FSU is one spot ahead of Pitt; I expect them to win the game despite the spread favoring Minnesota
Creighton @ Long Beach St (+12) Not enough to get Creighton back into the top 25, but I wouldn't complain if they lost.
Utah @ Boise St (-9.5) Boise is one spot behind Pitt
UC Santa Barbara @ #18 UCLA (-11.5)

Looks like there is a lot of potential for a "shake up" near the back end of the poll and amongst those "recieving votes". If UD can take care of business this week, they could further cement their spot in the rankings by taking some of the votes that were cast for those also near the back.
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Georgia Tech just handed Illinois its first loss of the season. Nice. Illinois was up by 12 with about 9 minutes to go but could not seal the deal against BG's boys...
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Georgia Tech beats Illinois. In Gregory fashion they hold them to 4 points in the last 9 minutes. Painful to watch, but glad to see them bounce back from their losses.
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Illinois was leading 60-48 with 9 min. remaining and Georgia Tech goes on a 19-4 run to win 67-64. I am happy for Brian Gregory. I hope Georgia Tech does well for the remainder of the season. It only makes our win over them look more impressive.
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Why did St Louis play a D-2 school?
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Why did St Louis play a D-2 school?
That's an excellent question. It avails them nothing since non-D1 games don't count in the standings.

Any of our friends from St. Louis care to enlighten us? Is there a story here?
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Why did St Louis play a D-2 school?
It is part of the Jesuit Spotlight

http://www.ajcunet.edu/jesuitbasketball
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I used to live in Kansas City and Rockhurst was a very popular college for the local catholic high school students. But not everybody wants to stay close to home, so my guess is that SLU was just putting themselves in front of a fairly large potential student base….. It is also possible that Rockhurst High School may have some studly basketball players, and they wanted them to see SLU….
And certainly there is the Jesuit connection….
All wild speculation on my part!
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None of the major Jesuit schools would play them--or add them to their conference--so they took the next best offer: D2 Rockhurst.
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well I had a bunch of updates from last night up and the site crashed on me, so they were lost.

In quick summary, IPFW was up 14 or 16 at half @ Miami, teams switched uniforms, Miami won by 7.

GTech beat Illinois

SLU beats Rockhust, now just follow REM's advice and don't go back to Rockhusrt. No need for a D2 opponent this far into the season, if at all.

The Bonnies won

#22 Michigan lost, but at #10 Duke, can't imagine that hurts them too bad in the polls, hopefully just enough to fall behind this week's #25 (take care of your business Flyers) Nothing else too exciting in relation to the flyers standing in either the RPI or polls.
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On today's "schedule page" of cbssports.com, the 1st game listed involves the #25 team in the country. You know I'm not the only one that has gone or will go to this page to see what games are happening today, that #25 spot automatically draws attention for a game many around the nation would have skipped past w/o even noticing.

Furman (the school, not Andy) @ Fordham (-14.5)
Rutgers @ GW (-11)
USF @ George Mason (-4)
Richmond @ Bill & mary (+4)
Maryland - Baltimore County @ Duquesne (NL)
Hartford @ LaSalle (NL)
Marist @ Iona (-18.5)
Lehigh @ StF (Pa) (NL)
Evansville @ Murry St (PK)
St Joes @ Temple (-2.5) (ESPNNews @ 8:00)
Chicago St @ Illinois St (NL)

In (or around) the polls,
UNC plays @ #1 Mich State (-9)
Harvard @ Northeaster (+3.5)
Davidson @ UNCC (-8)

We'd want Mich State, Northeastern & Davidson to win those to help secure UD's place in the AP poll over the schools in the "others receiving votes catagory. No teams in 15-24 range in action tonight. #14 Nova plays Penn, but I doubt they lose, if they did they probably wouldn't drop too far considering the week they had last week.

As long as #25 takes care of business tonight, there's nobody that can jump them from the rankings based upon the games being played today, nor is there anyone they can jump ahead of them by watching them lose (or play poorly)
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this is a big week. They need to pound DSU and take care of business on the road. Exactly the kind of things that have struggled with after big wins on the past.

If they can handle this week the way they are supposed to I will be ready to drink the koolaid.
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You forgot to add that Indiana lost by 17 to syracuse last night. they were right behind us in the AP poll and at #23 in the USA today poll.
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You forgot to add that Indiana lost by 17 to syracuse last night. they were right behind us in the AP poll and at #23 in the USA today poll.
Indiana looked as lost against the Syracuse zone last night as they did in the NCAA tourney last spring. The Hoosiers only scored for the most part in transition or off the glass, they could never keep the ball moving long enough in the half court to penetrate the zone.
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You forgot to add that Indiana lost by 17 to syracuse last night. they were right behind us in the AP poll and at #23 in the USA today poll.
That was in the original post that got lost to the internets. Definently good for UD considering that UD isn't on everyone's ballots, and isn't all that close to the 24th spot, if they win both this week, combined w/ the results we've seen this week and the results yet to come, their spot should be a little more secure, even if they don't move up in ranking w/n the top 25.

Ideally, win 'em all thru the Ole Miss game, and they should slide up into the top 20, which means at lose at Ole Miss who is also recieving votes won't hurt the Flyer's too much and a win would be icing on the cake.
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Why do several people keep talking about us losing at Ole Miss? We are not talking Syracuse or Duke here. If we are a top 25 team, we should win at Ole Miss, period, and we will.
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Why do several people keep talking about us losing at Ole Miss? We are not talking Syracuse or Duke here. If we are a top 25 team, we should win at Ole Miss, period, and we will.
I don't know, including this season, over the last 5 seasons, Ole Miss has only lost 1 OOC game at home.

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I don't know, including this season, over the last 5 seasons, Ole Miss has only lost 1 OOC game at home.
Were any against top 25 teams?
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I don't know, including this season, over the last 5 seasons, Ole Miss has only lost 1 OOC game at home.
And wouldn't that loss be to UD seeing they beat them a couple of years ago at Ole Miss?
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Were any against top 25 teams?
No, the one team that won down there, went on to finish 7-9 in their conference, but lost in the conference final. They went on to a 1 and done in the NIT.
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And wouldn't that loss be to UD seeing they beat them a couple of years ago at Ole Miss?
Bingo.
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^^^

Its the one game remaining OOC that Sagrain has UD in the "loss" catagory projecting forward. (they're a 1.2 point favorite at current.) Given the tight point spread in that one based upon his formula, it wouldn't shock anyone if UD won down there. Heck, if UD keeps playing like they did in Maui, they may even be a favorite in Sagrain's system by that point in time.

I can't speak for everyone, but my point was, if UD is to drop a game OOC moving forward, that is the 1 game UD could lose and probably wouldn't raise many eyebrows amongst those voting for them. I certainly hope for a UD win, but I'm not in the business of predicting wins/losses so I just take the information given to me to assess their chances and hope for the best.

If UD keeps playing like they did out in Maui, if Oliver keeps hitting from the perimeter, the Robinson that we saw in the Cal Game is here to stay and the frosh keep on growing/improving/contributing, I'll expect a win down there. With that said, it won't be easy. Ole Miss is a quality team and has a solid coach (when he's not punching cabbies). Marshall Henderson is a real talent (when his head is on straight, no garuntee about that), but they go beyond that, a couple of solid rebounders and a great shot blocker down low.

Add all that up, and despite the lack luster fan support I've seen there (at least compared to what the Flyers see at home) winning on the road is never easy. If someone were to garuntee me that the flyers would lose 1 more OOC game and win the rest, that is easily the most challenging one on paper. With that said, there is still a month b/w now and that game, so I'm not to worried about it at the moment, I doubt the team and Archie is either.
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And wouldn't that loss be to UD seeing they beat them a couple of years ago at Ole Miss?
Yes, I was there along with a couple hundred Flyer fans and about four thousand fairly quiet Miss fans. They have no home court fan advantage. We looked like crap the first half and came back in the second half.
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